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yab1112
11-17-2009, 06:22 PM
From Bengals.com


The Bengals on Tuesday made the following reserve list and practice squad moves:

Terminated the contract of wide receiver Antonio Chatman, releasing him to free agency. Chatman was released from the Reserve/Injured list. A seventh-year NFL player, Chatman opened the 2009 preseason with the Bengals but suffered an ankle injury in practice on Aug. 7. He was placed Sept. 5 on Reserve/Injured and has completed his rehab.

Terminated the contract of tight end Ben Utecht, releasing him to free agency. Utecht was released from the Reserve/Injured list. A fifth-year NFL player, Utecht opened the 2009 preseason with the Bengals but suffered a concussion in practice on Aug. 5. He was placed Aug. 31 on Reserve/Injured and has completed his rehab.

Signed safety Brannon Condren to the practice squad. Condren (6-1, 205; Troy) is a third-year NFL player. He opened 2009 with Indianapolis, but was waived on July 29. A fourth-round draft choice of Indianapolis in 2007, he played in eight games for the Colts that season, with two tackles, a pass defensed and four special teams tackles. He was waived by the Colts on Aug. 30, 2008. Later in 08, he was inactive for four games with St. Louis and played in four games for Miami, with three special teams tackles.

sonny
11-17-2009, 10:39 PM
Yeah, I saw that today. I never was high on Chatman, but I had high hopes for Utecht. Alas, JP Foschii is filling in quite well.

WVRed
11-17-2009, 10:41 PM
What wasn't mentioned is the Bengals working out Joey Galloway. Also saw Mike Doss is getting a look as well.

LoganBuck
11-17-2009, 11:39 PM
Doss knows the system. If they need a player, I would bet he comes in.

sonny
11-17-2009, 11:51 PM
Doss kind of fell of the planet after some really productive years in Indy. After getting hurt in Minnesota, he had a cup of coffee with the Bengals and then... Nothin'.

Are safeties that good in the NFL that Doss couldn't get any looks by anyone? Strange.

LoganBuck
11-18-2009, 12:18 AM
Doss kind of fell of the planet after some really productive years in Indy. After getting hurt in Minnesota, he had a cup of coffee with the Bengals and then... Nothin'.

Are safeties that good in the NFL that Doss couldn't get any looks by anyone? Strange.

Doss is/has always been limited in coverage. He is a scheme specific player. He probably works in Mike Zimmer's defense. Not as well in others. Safety has become a very specialized position in the NFL, where the personnel have to fit the scheme. The very reason that Roy Williams and Chris Crocker were walking the streets looking for jobs, is the same reason Doss is, and why Taylor Mays will eventually be in the same boat. They play more of the traditional Strong safety position, being good in run support, and punishing people crossing the middle, just don't ask them to cover slot receivers with man coverage. Most current NFL defenses rely on two of the traditional free safeties, that are better at coverage.

Mario-Rijo
11-18-2009, 05:23 AM
What wasn't mentioned is the Bengals working out Joey Galloway. Also saw Mike Doss is getting a look as well.


ESPN reported Tuesday the Bengals worked out a trio of veterans in wide receiver Joey Galloway, defensive tackle Ed Johnson, and safety Mike Doss, a guy that was with them late last season.


Galloway, the pride of Bellaire, Ohio, and Ohio State, apparently put on an impressive show by reportedly flashing excellent speed for a man who turns 38 this Friday. But at the moment there doesn't look to be any room at the inn. The Bengals could use a stretch-the-field guy now that Chris Henry (forearm) is done for the year, but how much of that is in their game now? The expendable guy would appear to be Jerome Simpson, who has been inactive for all nine games. But there are no signs they are giving up on their second-rounder from 2008.


Bengals.com (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Release-surprises-Utecht-Galloway-on-campus/4643b8d0-40fe-4aae-bbf1-116e6208b4ea)

I think we now know just how important Henry's presence alone was. Otherwise you don't go working out 38 year old WR's for a similiar presence. Although safety help has become neccessary as of late so they may go that direction. I''d hate to see Simpson cut and become the next Jimmy Smith in KC or Oakland or somewhere else. But it's looking a lot more like the Bengals are going all in on this season and Simpson might be a casualty of that.

bucksfan2
11-18-2009, 09:37 AM
Doss is/has always been limited in coverage. He is a scheme specific player. He probably works in Mike Zimmer's defense. Not as well in others. Safety has become a very specialized position in the NFL, where the personnel have to fit the scheme. The very reason that Roy Williams and Chris Crocker were walking the streets looking for jobs, is the same reason Doss is, and why Taylor Mays will eventually be in the same boat. They play more of the traditional Strong safety position, being good in run support, and punishing people crossing the middle, just don't ask them to cover slot receivers with man coverage. Most current NFL defenses rely on two of the traditional free safeties, that are better at coverage.

Doss is also undersized to play a run stopping/limited coverage S. But I do think he would fit in this system about as good as Crocker. Crocker struggles to cover the 3rd WR or a good TE and it is evident. But when he isn't forced to do so he is a very good S. It will be interesting to see what Taylor Mays does in the NFL. His combine numbers will be amazing. His speed/size ratio will be off the charts. He may have trouble at first covering a slot WR or TE but I think he has that ability.

As for Galloway I want little to do with him. His speed may be back in a workout, but how will that hold over 8 weeks? He just doesn't have that separation burst that he had in the past. He doesn't do anything that a Caldwell can't do.

redsfanmia
11-18-2009, 11:15 AM
Both Doss and Ed Johnson have major character issues and with the recent signing of Larry Johnson I fear the Bengals are sabotaging their success.

Roy Tucker
11-18-2009, 11:40 AM
Sorry to see Ben Utecht go. I had high hopes for him.

Hope he fully recovers from his concussion. It must have been a pretty bad one. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire. Being an NFL player is not a ticket to long-term health.

cincrazy
11-18-2009, 03:17 PM
Both Doss and Ed Johnson have major character issues and with the recent signing of Larry Johnson I fear the Bengals are sabotaging their success.

I don't think Doss has any character issues. He's had off the field trouble, but inside the locker room I don't think anyone has ever complained about him. He was a leader of that 2002 OSU championship team, and I never heard anything from his early NFL career that indicate he's a bad apple.

GIDP
11-18-2009, 03:20 PM
Such a shame that Utechts bengal career ended the way it did.

traderumor
11-18-2009, 05:38 PM
I am a bit wearied by the "character issues" argument. Welcome to any workplace. Consider that it is probably being brought up by people who spend hours of their workday fiddling on the internet at work.

cincrazy
11-18-2009, 10:34 PM
I am a bit wearied by the "character issues" argument. Welcome to any workplace. Consider that it is probably being brought up by people who spend hours of their workday fiddling on the internet at work.

It's hard to define how valuable character really is in the workplace. I know people with NO personal character whatsoever, who I've had no problem with at work. And I know people of very high character who I haven't gotten along with at all. It's a tricky thing. But I don't think LJ is going to be a problem. If he is, we'll just cut him loose.

LoganBuck
11-18-2009, 11:23 PM
Both Doss and Ed Johnson have major character issues and with the recent signing of Larry Johnson I fear the Bengals are sabotaging their success.

Doss had his baggage before the Bengals signed him last year. If they bring him back they know what they are getting.

bucksfan2
11-19-2009, 09:38 AM
Doss had his baggage before the Bengals signed him last year. If they bring him back they know what they are getting.

Doss was pretty much a model citizen with the exception of one incident. I believe it either was brandishing a guy or firing a gun into the air outside a night club in Akron. Other than that I don't remember hearing anything negative coming out about Doss.

wolfboy
11-19-2009, 10:13 AM
Doss was pretty much a model citizen with the exception of one incident. I believe it either was brandishing a guy or firing a gun into the air outside a night club in Akron. Other than that I don't remember hearing anything negative coming out about Doss.

Brandishing and/or firing a gun outside of a night club just doesn't seem compatible with "pretty much a model citizen." Granted, it was one incident, but that seems like a biggie.

traderumor
11-19-2009, 10:38 AM
Brandishing and/or firing a gun outside of a night club just doesn't seem compatible with "pretty much a model citizen." Granted, it was one incident, but that seems like a biggie.I know "pretty much a model citizen" or 20,000 "pretty much model citizens" who will hurtle their vehicle down the highway at 70 mph every Sunday after a game driving impaired, just for an example of the standard for "model citizen." That's probably more dangerous than the one act you just described.

wolfboy
11-19-2009, 01:09 PM
I know "pretty much a model citizen" or 20,000 "pretty much model citizens" who will hurtle their vehicle down the highway at 70 mph every Sunday after a game driving impaired, just for an example of the standard for "model citizen." That's probably more dangerous than the one act you just described.

I wouldn't call those folks model citizens either. Maybe some people would, I don't know. Am I all alone in thinking that brandishing and/or firing a gun outside of a night club makes one less than a model citizen?

For the record, it really doesn't bother me that the Bengals are looking at him, or anyone else with character issues.

traderumor
11-19-2009, 02:51 PM
I wouldn't call those folks model citizens either. Maybe some people would, I don't know. Am I all alone in thinking that brandishing and/or firing a gun outside of a night club makes one less than a model citizen?

For the record, it really doesn't bother me that the Bengals are looking at him, or anyone else with character issues.Sure you would, you don't know which people you consider "model citizens" do such a thing until they get caught. I just think that considering someone less than a model citizen for a recorded single transgression, esp. when you don't even know anything beyond "didn't he brandish or fire a weapon? yea, I think that's it" is a bit self-righteous.

wolfboy
11-19-2009, 04:24 PM
Sure you would, you don't know which people you consider "model citizens" do such a thing until they get caught. I just think that considering someone less than a model citizen for a recorded single transgression, esp. when you don't even know anything beyond "didn't he brandish or fire a weapon? yea, I think that's it" is a bit self-righteous.

One thing I've learned in life is to expect the unexpected. However, you calling me self-righteous for saying a guy might be less than a model citizen when he waved a gun around in public is a complete surprise.

I'm not saying he's a terrible person. I'm just saying he's not really an angel either. Why that offends you to the point that you'd engage in name calling is beyond me. :confused:

traderumor
11-19-2009, 07:07 PM
One thing I've learned in life is to expect the unexpected. However, you calling me self-righteous for saying a guy might be less than a model citizen when he waved a gun around in public is a complete surprise.

I'm not saying he's a terrible person. I'm just saying he's not really an angel either. Why that offends you to the point that you'd engage in name calling is beyond me. :confused:I'm not offended, simply amazed at what little bit of information people will accept to form their opinions. Name calling does not apply. I was referring to your opinion, not you as an individual. See, I only have one incident (your comment) to go on, so I am simply not qualified to say you are a self-righteous person overall.

Mario-Rijo
11-19-2009, 08:02 PM
I wouldn't call those folks model citizens either. Maybe some people would, I don't know. Am I all alone in thinking that brandishing and/or firing a gun outside of a night club makes one less than a model citizen?

For the record, it really doesn't bother me that the Bengals are looking at him, or anyone else with character issues.

Depends on the circumstances, since it was an isolated incident I don't know I'd draw any conclusions from it one way or the other.

redsfanmia
11-19-2009, 08:28 PM
I know that the Colts franchise got rid of Doss as soon as his contract was up, they had zero interest in bringing him back. I think the topper was the way he acted during the Super Bowl celebration.

wolfboy
11-20-2009, 12:33 AM
I'm not offended, simply amazed at what little bit of information people will accept to form their opinions. Name calling does not apply. I was referring to your opinion, not you as an individual. See, I only have one incident (your comment) to go on, so I am simply not qualified to say you are a self-righteous person overall.

If I misconstrued what you said, then I apologize. That seemed like a strong reaction to what I felt was a fairly innocent comment.

Maybe context is everything. If you owned a company and someone wanted to work for you that had this blemish on his record, would you hire him? What set of circumstances would make you think that waving a gun around in public was not that big of a deal? Are there any? Maybe there are. If you knew that your daughter's boyfriend had brandished a gun in public would you have a legitimate reason to worry about his character?

I'll admit that I'm way off sometimes, but gun + public + alcohol serving establishment sets off all kinds of alarms in the world I live in.

That being said, I have no reason to believe that Mike Doss is a bad guy. I think he has suffered from bad judgment, no doubt. I think that bad judgment has bumped him from "model citizen" status.

Mario-Rijo
11-20-2009, 05:52 AM
If I misconstrued what you said, then I apologize. That seemed like a strong reaction to what I felt was a fairly innocent comment.

Maybe context is everything. If you owned a company and someone wanted to work for you that had this blemish on his record, would you hire him? What set of circumstances would make you think that waving a gun around in public was not that big of a deal? Are there any? Maybe there are. If you knew that your daughter's boyfriend had brandished a gun in public would you have a legitimate reason to worry about his character?

I'll admit that I'm way off sometimes, but gun + public + alcohol serving establishment sets off all kinds of alarms in the world I live in.

That being said, I have no reason to believe that Mike Doss is a bad guy. I think he has suffered from bad judgment, no doubt. I think that bad judgment has bumped him from "model citizen" status.

Under normal circumstances I'd agree. However the 1st question I'd have is, why is this guy carrying a gun? I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone in a high profile occupation with plenty of $$$ to carry a weapon in public for protection. The 2nd question I'd have is why did he brandish the weapon? Had he not would we have read about him being robbed at gunpoint himself or even worse, shot? I don't go to night clubs anymore but plenty of folks do and behave themselves and are upright members of the community.

However I recall once upon a time I was at such an establishment and things blew up so to speak. I was with a friend and we were playing pool. He was leaning against a video game waiting on his turn when out of nowhere a guy flat lays him out with a punch and went running from the scene with a friend. Well, chaos ensued and we all shuffled outside and I had a guy actually pull a chainsaw out of his backseat, start it up and come right at me for no good reason at all. Needless to say I got out of the ordeal but had I been "strapped" as they say I may have pulled it out for intimidation (I was in my early 20"s). Thank god I never carried a gun, don't believe in them for myself. But I don't think I'd label him anything after one foolish incident in his early 20's.

wolfboy
11-20-2009, 10:14 AM
Under normal circumstances I'd agree. However the 1st question I'd have is, why is this guy carrying a gun? I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone in a high profile occupation with plenty of $$$ to carry a weapon in public for protection. The 2nd question I'd have is why did he brandish the weapon? Had he not would we have read about him being robbed at gunpoint himself or even worse, shot? I don't go to night clubs anymore but plenty of folks do and behave themselves and are upright members of the community.

The fact that he carried a weapon into a night club brought him into the realm of illegal behavior under OH law. It doesn't matter that he was high profile or had plenty of money. If he was concerned for his safety, he could have hired a body guard that could have LEGALLY carried a firearm into the night club.

I've enjoyed the spirited discussion, but it's way off topic from the original post. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.