View Full Version : Free Agency Preview: Shortstops (ya, think?)

11-18-2009, 04:50 AM

Marco Scutaro (Blue Jays) - Scutaro, who played mostly second base in the minors, has been cast off by several teams during a career that began in 1996, but at the age of 33, he suddenly emerged as an excellent leadoff hitter and fine defensive shortstop for the Blue Jays. In fact, he was simply too good for Toronto, as he'll likely jump out of the team's price range as the best shortstop available this winter. It does hurt that he's a Type A free agent who is certain to be offered arbitration. Unlike the rest of the free agents here, he'd cost a team like the Red Sox, Tigers or Cubs a first-round pick. Those clubs could target him anyway, and it's possible that the Dodgers and Mets will look at him as a second baseman. Prediction: Red Sox - three years, $18 million

Miguel Tejada (Astros) - Tejada is also a Type A free agent, but the Astros can't risk offering him arbitration when he'd almost certainly take it and command a salary close to the $13 million he earned in 2009. While the 35-year-old hit a respectable .313/.340/.455 last season, he had brutal defensive numbers and likely would be of more use as a third baseman than as a shortstop going forward. It'd be no surprise to see him tumble like Orlando Cabrera did last winter and eventually have to accept a one-year deal in the $4 million range. He'd make sense for the Astros, Twins or Mariners at third base. The White Sox could also consider him if they opt to put Mark Teahen in the outfield. Prediction: Mariners - one year, $4 million

Orlando Cabrera (Twins) - After a dreadful first half, Cabrera rebounded to hit .305/.333/.436 after the break for the A's and Twins. It seemed likely that Minnesota would want him back after his nice finish, but the team has already gone in a different direction by picking up J.J. Hardy. That leaves Boston, Toronto, Detroit, Washington, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh as possible homes for Cabrera. He's slipped defensively, but he's still an adequate shortstop and a solid enough option at the bottom third of a lineup. Prediction: Reds - one year, $4 million

Alex Gonzalez (Red Sox) - The wheels aren't what they used to be, but Gonzalez showed in Boston that he's still as steady as they come defensively. He also performed much better than expected offensively after being picked up in August, coming in at .284/.316/.453 with five homers in 148 at-bats. Gonzalez can't be counted on to put up that kind of line over a full season, but he may well be a better option as a starting shortstop than Tejada or Cabrera at this point. He could stay with Boston or jump to the Blue Jays or Tigers. Prediction: Blue Jays - one year, $2.5 million

Khalil Greene (Cardinals) - If it were just the two awful offensive seasons in a row, Greene would be well worth gambling on. Unfortunately, he was just as bad with the glove as he was with the bat last season and every potential suitor is going to be wondering whether he's still a realistic option at shortstop. Also, there are the psychological issues that put him on the disabled list twice last season. A team with nothing to lose, such as the Pirates, Astros or Nationals, could sign him and hope for the best. He's just 29, and he still has 25-homer power. Prediction: Pirates - one year, $2 million

Other free agents: Adam Everett (Tigers), Craig Counsell (Brewers), Omar Vizquel (Rangers), John McDonald (Blue Jays), Bobby Crosby (Athletics), Omar Quintanilla (Rockies), Juan Castro (Dodgers), Luis Rodriguez (Padres), Cody Ransom (Yankees), Angel Berroa (Mets), Jason Smith (Astros), Ramon Martinez (Mets)

Everett still has a lot to offer defensively, but the annual 600 OPS may see him relegated to backup status this winter. He'd be nice insurance for a team planning to go with an unproven shortstop (Houston and Oakland come to mind). … Counsell is happy in Milwaukee, and the Brewers have very good reason to bring him back. Expect them to come to an agreement. … Vizquel is content as a backup, just not in Texas. He could fit with the Red Sox, Mets or Cubs.

Trade candidates: Yunel Escobar (Braves), Stephen Drew (Diamondbacks), Cristian Guzman (Nationals), Reid Brignac (Rays), Chin-Lung Hu (Dodgers), Ramon Santiago (Tigers), Robert Andino (Orioles), Tyler Greene (Cardinals), Alberto Gonzalez (Nationals), Brent Lillibridge (White Sox), Gregorio Petit (Athletics), Trevor Plouffe (Twins)

Escobar and Drew are big long shots to be moved. They'll likely be requested in talks, but neither Atlanta nor Arizona has an internal replacement ready. … The Nationals are ready to shove Guzman to second base, but if anyone wants to pick him up, they'll certainly listen. They already regret not letting him go when the Red Sox claimed him off waivers in August.

The Rays envisioned Brignac taking over as their shortstop at some point during 2009 or 2010, but he was a modest disappointment and Jason Bartlett has stepped up in a big way. They don't have to move him, but he's clearly expendable. … The Tigers like Santiago as a part-timer at shortstop and will probably keep him if they go cheap this winter. If they sign a legitimate starter to replace Adam Everett, then Santiago could be dealt.

Non-tender candidates: Ronny Cedeno (Pirates), Augie Ojeda (Diamondbacks), Anderson Hernandez (Mets), Josh Wilson (Mariners), Luis Cruz (Pirates), Luis Hernandez (Royals), Brian Bocock (Giants)

If the Pirates had come up with J.J. Hardy to go along with Akinori Iwamura, than they probably would have moved on from Cedeno. However, the former Cub was adequate after being acquired from the Mariners last season and he's only due $1.2 million or so in arbitration. Odds are that he'll stick around. … The Diamondbacks won't go to arbitration with Ojeda, but they likely will offer him a one-year deal worth a bit more than the $712,500 he made last season. If he declines, then he'll be let go.

2010-11 free agents: Jose Reyes (Mets)*, Jimmy Rollins (Phillies)*, Derek Jeter (Yankees), Cristian Guzman (Nationals), Julio Lugo (Cardinals)*, Cesar Izturis (Orioles), Nick Punto (Twins)*, Edgar Renteria (Giants)*, Ramon Santiago (Tigers)

2011 options: Reyes - $11 million ($500,000 buyout), Rollins - $8.5 million ($2 million buyout), Lugo - $9 million (vests w/600 PA in 2010), Punto - $5 million ($500,000 buyout), Renteria - $10.5 million ($500,000 buyout),

2011-12 free agents: Jose Reyes (Mets), Jimmy Rollins (Phillies), J.J. Hardy (Twins), Jason Bartlett (Rays), Rafael Furcal (Dodgers)*, Jack Wilson (Mariners), Yuniesky Betancourt (Royals)*, Ronny Cedeno (Pirates), Augie Ojeda (Diamondbacks)

2012 options: Furcal - $12 million (vests w/600 PA in 2011), Betancourt - $6 million ($2 million buyout)

11-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Do we have a chance to get Scutaro? He looks like he'd be good enough to solve the SS problem, and maybe even bat second.

His Stats:
.282/.379/.409 with 35 2B, 1 3B, 12 HR, 60 RBI, 90 BB, 75 K.
14 SB, 5 CS
In 144 games


11-18-2009, 12:49 PM
Id welcome Cabrera or Scutaro AS LONG AS THE PRICE ISN'T TOO STEEP.

I had to write that part in caps since 'ole Bobbo likely won't pay attention.


11-18-2009, 01:22 PM
btw, crosspost from ORG from another member:

"The New York media was all over Phillips coming to the Mets today. One writer claimed that the only way the Reds deal Phillips is if the Mets take Willy T as well. I could see the Reds trying to unload Willy T as part of a bigger package to free up 20-25 million in payroll over the next few seasons."

Butter me up and call me a biscuit. I love Phillips, but if the Reds can find the cure for cancer by dropping WillyT, while solving a (seemingly complex) problem at SS, Im all for it.


11-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Who are we gonna go after at SS? Reyes? Hernandez? I would love to have Reyes, but I'm not sure if I would give up Brandon for him, even if we do get rid of WT in the process


11-18-2009, 05:07 PM
Someone explain why they need to spend money on a SS when we have Janish. Provide me some solid proof.

11-18-2009, 05:57 PM
Some say Janish can't hit a 5' Piñata from 1' away.

Some say defense wins games.


11-18-2009, 08:45 PM
Scutaro gets on base too much for the Reds to be interested.

11-19-2009, 03:37 AM
kingspoint, you started this thread no thoughts, no facts??

11-19-2009, 09:27 AM
Reasons we need someone like Scutaro instead of Janish:

Batting Avg.-- Janish-.211, Scutaro- .282
OBP-- Janish-.296, Scutaro- .379
Slugging-- Janish-.305, Scutaro- .409

Just a few reasons.


11-19-2009, 02:24 PM
Reasons the Reds don't need a shortstop


11-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Reasons the Reds do need a shortstop

Proven hitting
Proven hitting
Proven hitting
Proven hitting

-I see your point, but we won't win ball games by having the widest range at SS. Im a fan of Janish, and it April comes around and he's our #1, so be it. I (amongst A LOT of others), think he's a much better backup.


11-19-2009, 03:11 PM
I'm with mattfeet on this one. He just doesn't hit well enough to start, and everyone in the minors is, well, in the minors.


11-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Valaika has hit .300 in every one of his minor league seasons save his last. The Bats manager is extremely high on him. Cozart did extremely well in Arizona. Rojas in Venezuela.

The Reds spend millions each year on developing players. I doubt they even break even in the minors. These guys have shown they are ready. The reds should at least try them out.

11-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Any FA signing at shortstop this offseason will be a waste of money.

Either upgrade through trade, or stay put.

Personally, I like Janish. Great attitude. Solid with the glove.

11-20-2009, 01:42 AM
So even though Janish is young, cheap, and a brilliant defensive player we need to spend money on a SS bc he hasnt come into his own as a hitter?? Sorry but that type of flawed logic would have cost the Reds one of baseballs greatest SS's and CF's. People here love stats, so here's the truth. Paul Janish's offensive stats in his first 155 some games are better then Concepcion AND Geronimo. Look it up. In the Bud Selig economy that is MLB Janish is the perfect guy for the Reds SS. They DO NOT NEED TO SPEND MONEY FOR A SS.

11-20-2009, 09:41 AM
^I do agree with you and your resoaning htere Kief, but the difffernece between those 2 that dont make this anoalogy (Concepcion/Geronimo) is that htere were oter poffensive powers onthe team that afforedded the Reds to not need more offense out of SS. This current team doesnt have that full luxory yet.

brachial pleXUs
11-21-2009, 11:28 PM
Juan Castro!! Nuff said. :p:

manos de oro, batean de gelatina

11-22-2009, 11:14 AM
Reds acquire Jose Reyes, Daniel Murphy, Pedro Feliciano
Mets acquire Aaron Harang, Arthur Rhodes,Willy Taveras, Chris Valaika

Reds acquire Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson
Marlins acquire Chris Valaika, Yonder Alonso, Travis Woods, Logan Ondrusek,Cody Puckett, Neftali Soto(this trade is highly unlikely but this is probably what it would take)

Reds acquire Yunel Escobar, Javier Vazquez
Braves acquire Gomes(assuming we sign him), Chris Valaika, Travis Woods, Nick Masset

Reds acquire Reid Brignac, Andy Sonnaistine, Carlos Pena
Rays acquire Coco Cordero, Yonder Alonso(((((move votto to lf)

Reds acquire Jhonny Peralta, Jeremy Sowers, Andy Marte
Indians acquire Jared Burton, Willy Taveras, Mike Lincoln, Paul Janish

Reds acquire Brandon Woods, Scott Shields,Gary Matthews Jr.
Angels acquire Aaron Harang, Willy Taveras, Mike Lincoln, Arthur Rhodes, Chris Dickerson

Reds acquire Stephen Drew, Eric Byrnes
D-backs acquire Aaron Harang, Chris Valaika, Willy Taveras, Mike Lincoln

11-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Talk in Cincy is that The Reds and Rays are talking Brignac. I heard a Dickerson and Maloney may be on their way to Tampa for Brignac and a young pitcher cant remember the name. But its just a rumor making the rounds around the city nothing concrete. Just thought Id pass it along.

11-23-2009, 01:20 PM
Talk in Cincy is that The Reds and Rays are talking Brignac. I heard a Dickerson and Maloney may be on their way to Tampa for Brignac and a young pitcher cant remember the name. But its just a rumor making the rounds around the city nothing concrete. Just thought Id pass it along.

That doesnt seem to be giving up too much if we get something decent in return outside of Brignac. I'm going to guess they view Maloney as a reliever and not a starter.