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Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:24 PM
I wonder when the Bengals will be putting in Larry Johnson

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Carson running the ball for the first TD of the game! Not often you see Carson doing that

GIDP
11-22-2009, 05:30 PM
Carson is going to get destroyed one of these times diving like that but ill take it.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:40 PM
Palmer is in the zone so far today. He looks to be getting locked in with Caldwell and Ocho Cinco.

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:44 PM
Penalities have been a pain early on

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:46 PM
How does Tom Cable still have a job?

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:48 PM
Cleveland?!? I don't think I have ever seen pass interference called on a hail mary before.

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:49 PM
Cleveland?!? I don't think I have ever seen pass interference called on a hail mary before.

Well it is Cleveland

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:50 PM
Caldwell is becoming scary good.

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:53 PM
Nice run by Leonard

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:53 PM
Nice run by Scott also

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:54 PM
Bengals may run for 200 yds today. Big holes!

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 05:56 PM
Another rushing TD by Carson.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:57 PM
Bengals need to keep pouring it on today, don't let the Raiders into this! 14-0 Palmer 2 rushing TD's.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 05:58 PM
I would get LJ a shot in the 2nd half. Smart move by Marvin to sit Benson.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:04 PM
Bey has hands of stone.

GIDP
11-22-2009, 06:04 PM
Palmer going for both air and ground player of the week awards

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:22 PM
14-7 would like Palmer to get us another one here before half. Can't let the Raiders hang in.

GIDP
11-22-2009, 06:26 PM
I dont like Raiders beign with in 1 TD

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 06:31 PM
I don't like this

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:32 PM
Marvin with his icing the kicker crap!

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Were lucky on that one

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:34 PM
14-7 at the half, Bengals on top. Zimmer needs to make some adjustments at the half.

Joseph
11-22-2009, 06:35 PM
Is Tom Cable allowed to call anyone 'simple' as he did the Bengals defense? He seems about as deep as a thimble of spit.

CTA513
11-22-2009, 06:38 PM
Both sides of the ball need to play better in the 2nd half.

Tony Cloninger
11-22-2009, 06:41 PM
same stuff that happened when this QB was playing in TB and they let that winless team hang around in 06...so this guy could lead them on a drive to win the game.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:47 PM
Bengals need to find their pass rush in the 2nd half and they will be alright. Can't let the QB from Toledo have all day and scramble around.

Tony Cloninger
11-22-2009, 06:50 PM
If they could hold Big Ben in the pocket...they should with this guy. Can this team have a game with no injuries for once in a few weeks. I heard Whitworth was hurt.

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 06:53 PM
Hall was so close to taking that one away

macro
11-22-2009, 06:55 PM
14-10 and I'm not liking this at all. They haven't necessarily looked flat, but for some reason Oakland is hanging in there.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 06:56 PM
Oakland has some talent on their team not suprising they are making a game of it. Palmer and the Bengal offense need to get back into a rythym.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:01 PM
B Scott ran out of gas there, nice run.

Dom Heffner
11-22-2009, 07:02 PM
I think Tom Cable is one of the biggest jokes in the NFL.

You just know he assaulted his assistant coach- he'll get nothing but you know he did.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:04 PM
Palmer is taking some lumps today.

Joseph
11-22-2009, 07:07 PM
That was just ugly.

We're up 14-10, but somehow it feels like we are losing.

Dom Heffner
11-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Why do coaches never give it to the guy that got you there?

Scott just tailed off 70 yards in 2 plays and what do they do? Give it to everybody else.

Reminds me of the Packers and Ryan Grant.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Who was responsible for #26 on that blitz. Plus our franchise player just missed the FG. C'mon now.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:11 PM
Awful call there. Bey pulls Hall to the ground and Hall gets called.

Reds4Life
11-22-2009, 07:12 PM
Everytime Oakland makes you think they aren't totally hopeless, they do something Oakland like.

Hopefully we can put 7 on the board from the fumble recovery.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:13 PM
Big turnover for the Bengals have to cash in now!

Reds4Life
11-22-2009, 07:14 PM
Ugh, not happy we only got a field goal out of that.

macro
11-22-2009, 07:23 PM
Offense hasn't looked good for quite a while now. Two possessions inside the five and got 3 points instead of 14.

I think I saw a graphic earlier that the Bengals had scored on X consecutive trips with "goal to go". I think it was 36 straight times with either a TD or FG. That streak is now over.

I'm with Joseph: it feels like they're losing.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:27 PM
How did Coles come down with that. Nice catch to get us into Raider territory.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:28 PM
I think the CBS announcers are doing a great job of selling this game.

macro
11-22-2009, 07:35 PM
The offense seems determined to give Oakland every chance they can to pull the upset. :rant:

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Pittsburgh did the same thing vs. KC today. Can't let teams hang around in the NFL.

macro
11-22-2009, 07:49 PM
I don't see enough evidence to overturn the INT call.

Tony Cloninger
11-22-2009, 07:51 PM
6 minutes to go and you throw an interception.....freaking beautiful.

Chance to go up 2 games and this team cannot deal with it.....just when i thought they were not the old Bengals.

UKFlounder
11-22-2009, 08:03 PM
Pathetic performance today. Maybe they'll still squeak it out, but this is a sad showing by this franchise

MWM
11-22-2009, 08:04 PM
I think people are over-reacting here. There's no way keep up the level of intensity they've had to have the past few weeks the entire season (see the Steelers today). Games like today are inevitable and don't mean much unless they actually lose. Also, the Raiders have an aswful offense, but their defense is not that bad.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:09 PM
I think he's down at the 1/2 yard line

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:11 PM
That missed chip shot field goal has come back to bite us in the butt! 38 yarder.

paintmered
11-22-2009, 08:11 PM
Plenty of time left to win this.

macro
11-22-2009, 08:11 PM
Games like today are inevitable and don't mean much unless they actually lose.

Which is a very distinct possibility at this point.

UKFlounder
11-22-2009, 08:12 PM
The Raiders have an awful offense but it scored just as many points as the Bungles did. Gradkowski came through in the clutch, unlike our guys.

Oh well.

.

CTA513
11-22-2009, 08:12 PM
Special teams just hurt the Bengals again and now cost them the game.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:13 PM
ball game. We gave them this game....wow...horrible.

paintmered
11-22-2009, 08:13 PM
Plenty of time left to win this.

Well, damn. :(

Chip R
11-22-2009, 08:13 PM
Plenty of time left to win this.

Or lose.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:14 PM
Plenty of time left to win this.

not now...

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 08:14 PM
It is what it is folks time to get Cedric healthy and crush Cleveland next week. This one slipped away.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:15 PM
they have the best kicker in the game....

WMR
11-22-2009, 08:15 PM
They out-Bungled them.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:17 PM
This was the definition of a trap game... We had this division in our back pocket, if we would of won today, now the Steelers have a 2nd life...

macro
11-22-2009, 08:17 PM
What a letdown. This reverses all the good will they had built up this year, as far as I'm concerned.

Reds4Life
11-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Pathetic. Caldwell better be running 100 laps around PBS tomorrow.

MWM
11-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Wow. It's called getting too big for your britches. The team has now learned how to win, but the next thing it needs to do is learn how to handle success. Today was a clear lesson in that.

I think they scored twice early, were up 14 points on a bad team and put it on cruise control. I've seen this happen time and time again in all sports over the years (see OSU 1998 loss to MSU). Once intensity is turned off, it's very difficult to turn it back on. This might be good for them in the long run.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:19 PM
what was that pass...6 yards?

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 08:20 PM
Speechless

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 08:21 PM
7-3 and in first place I will take it. Not happy about the outcome but I think it will be a good wake up call for this team. Let's not forget we played without Benson today who will be back next week.

Degenerate39
11-22-2009, 08:21 PM
I feel sick :(

GIDP
11-22-2009, 08:21 PM
I just knew that was going to happen

GIDP
11-22-2009, 08:22 PM
Why cant we get a pass interference call like the Raiders got. :(

Joseph
11-22-2009, 08:22 PM
So disappointing.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:23 PM
Wow. It's called getting too big for your britches. The team has now learned how to win, but the next thing it needs to do is learn how to handle success. Today was a clear lesson in that.

I think they scored twice early, were up 14 points on a bad team and put it on cruise control. I've seen this happen time and time again in all sports over the years (see OSU 1998 loss to MSU). Once intensity is turned off, it's very difficult to turn it back on. This might be good for them in the long run.

I told my wife last Sunday, that the win against the Steelers would mean nothing if we don't take care of business against the Raiders. They assumed all they had to do was show up and win... a sure sign of immaturity.

We lost 2 games we should of won...Denver and now Oakland.

deltachi8
11-22-2009, 08:25 PM
This was the definition of a trap game... We had this division in our back pocket, if we would of won today, now the Steelers have a 2nd life...

Not entirely. My Steelers are not a Championship caliber team this year, the Bengals still are the class of the division and should win. Pound Cleveland next week and you will not even remember the trip to Oakland.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:25 PM
7-3 and in first place I will take it. Not happy about the outcome but I think it will be a good wake up call for this team. Let's not forget we played without Benson today who will be back next week.

Scott got over 100 yards...our running game did not lose this game.

TC81190
11-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Really disappointing. I had some hopes up for playoffs success, but I don't now.

GIDP
11-22-2009, 08:25 PM
I'm gonna blame the refs because its so much easier then actually blaming a single person. Whos with me?

cincrazy
11-22-2009, 08:26 PM
I'm not surprised by this. The stupid mistakes on offense finally caught up to us, and for once a 4th down attempt went the other team's way.

The law of averages caught up to us. We're still winning the division. Still going to the playoffs. Nothing to get too upset about IMO.

UKFlounder
11-22-2009, 08:26 PM
Yep - another weak opponent and another key loss, if they repeat this effort. I have faith that they can find a way to blow that one as well..


It is what it is folks time to get Cedric healthy and crush Cleveland next week. This one slipped away.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 08:28 PM
I don't know beating the Steelers twice and the Ravens twice sure means a lot to this Bengals fan. Being in first place after years of losing means a lot too. Does it suck to lose at Oakland, sure does, but these are the types of losses that can wake teams up. With Cedric back next week I look for the Bengals to get back in gear.

Tony Cloninger
11-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Sorry but i am going to go on the same way I have seen this team react ...in the past...and that is they start pointing fingers and start playing scared.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Really disappointing. I had some hopes up for playoffs success, but I don't now.

Palmer said about the same thing last Sunday. He said, they might be a playoff team, but right now they won't do much damage unless they get a lot better. I would have to agree with his assessment.

MWM
11-22-2009, 08:29 PM
There has to be an evolution with an organzation has been as bad as the Bengals have been over the past couple of decades. Part of that is getting rid of the culture of losing. That started to happen when Marvin first came in to the organization. It got a little sidetracked the past couple of years, but I think they've really turned the page and have learned to win. Last week's Steelers game was a big indicator of that.

After they've gotten to where they don't expect to lose anymore, the next step in the evolution is learning to handle the hype without buying into it. Today was a clear indication that they need a lot of work in this area. They clearly thought they'd step in a roll over the Raiders. They need to experience a loss like today in order to continue the evolution. I'm not really all that disheartened over it. This is what has to happen.

CTA513
11-22-2009, 08:29 PM
Watching Caldwell return kicks makes me wish they still had Glenn Holt returning kicks.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:30 PM
This team really missed Chris Henry today....and for the rest of the season, I'm affraid.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 08:32 PM
Yep - another weak opponent and another key loss, if they repeat this effort. I have faith that they can find a way to blow that one as well..

I think all those years of losing have warped everyone into a sky is falling mentality. It sucks to lose to Oakland but I'm not ready to give the division to Pitts especially when we are in first place.

GIDP
11-22-2009, 08:33 PM
Oakland isnt exactly a bad team. The reason they sucked all year was Russel.

CTA513
11-22-2009, 08:33 PM
This team really missed Chris Henry today....and for the rest of the season, I'm affraid.

They probably score more today if they didn't try to pound the ball on every play.

Redsfan320
11-22-2009, 08:33 PM
Yeah, this loss hurts. It hurts deep. To see my "great" and "playoff bound" (which I truly think they are) Bengals lose to such a horrible team upsets me. I guess Oakland now has a QB after benching Russell.

320

George Foster
11-22-2009, 08:37 PM
They probably score more today if they didn't try to pound the ball on every play.

but a wide receiver like Henry would have opened up the passing game and running game. Their was a reason why he was starting.

CTA513
11-22-2009, 08:41 PM
but a wide receiver like Henry would have opened up the passing game and running game. Their was a reason why he was starting.

It would have helped but they moved the ball in the air fine today they just decided to keep pounding the ball instead.

reds1869
11-22-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm not going to get too down about this. It was a bad loss but these things happen. Every team in the division lost today, and they all did it to a terrible opponent except for the Ravens. As long as we bounce back next week I won't get too worried. The Bengals lost due to turnovers at crucial times. It happens.

traderumor
11-22-2009, 08:55 PM
Well, that was brutal. It was 17-10 with the Bengals driving near the end of the 3rd Q when I got to church. The Bengals have timed two QB changes on the week they play a bad team twice now, and both times they've struggled. Makes you wonder if it makes film study an unknown and D gameplanning more difficult.

Oh well, at least we still have our one game D lead and two winnable games at home to get back on track.

Caveat Emperor
11-22-2009, 08:58 PM
Two thoughts:

1. The Bengals should sign Bruce Gradkowski this off-season to be the 3rd QB -- if for no other reason than to prevent him from popping up every few years to beat them.

2. The Bengals will continue to have red-zone issues until they address the glaring problem at TE. Chase Coffman was supposed to do this, but apparently he's too stupid to figure out the playbook -- or whatever reason is being given for him not being on the field.

6-4-3
11-22-2009, 09:00 PM
Scott had 61 yds on 1 carry, he can't pound it inside the tackles like Benson. The failure to take shots throughout the air to put this game away is beyond me.

TeamSelig
11-22-2009, 09:00 PM
What an ignorant loss. That was the worst play calling that I've seen all year. We weren't even trying to score points... just run out the clock.

LawFive
11-22-2009, 09:08 PM
What a wasted opportunity. With the Steelers and Ravens losses, the Bengals could have been 2 games up with 6 to play....now they must hang on precariously, hope they don't Bungle the remaining "gimmies", and hope the Ravens can help us out be beating the Steelers at least once.

6-4-3
11-22-2009, 09:23 PM
Palmer 8 of 10 for 120+ early on, throws 12 total passes the rest of the game.

The Operator
11-22-2009, 09:33 PM
Palmer 8 of 10 for 120+ early on, throws 12 total passes the rest of the game.

Yep. They got so carried away with the idea of running the ball even without Cedric Benson that they must have forgot they have a really gifted QB that they used to let throw the ball once in a while.

Another Bob Bratkowski clinker.

joshnky
11-22-2009, 09:34 PM
As others have said, this was a let-down that you could see coming a mile away. An underachieving team, playing at home with a new QB matching up with a team traveling across country after a bruising, emotional division win. They're still 7-3 and in charge in the division which is what matters most. It was simply a game where key mistakes killed them. Johnson's fumble took the W away and Caldwell's fumble likely did the same thing. You can criticize the coaching but if either of those two things don't happen, we're likely talking about how we're thankful we made it past a trap game with a win. If it is going to happen I'd rather it happen against Oakland than against a division team.

joshnky
11-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Yep. They got so carried away with the idea of running the ball even without Cedric Benson that they must have forgot they have a really gifted QB that they used to let throw the ball once in a while.

Another Bob Bratkowski clinker.

Oakland's pass defense is top-notch while they're run D is awful. You take what the defense gives you and eventually it pays off as it did with Scott's long burst in the 3rd quarter.

Yachtzee
11-22-2009, 09:36 PM
I put this loss on the silly turnovers and the play calling. While they balanced the runs with the passes, they just didn't seem to be calling the right type of passes. After the first two drives, Oakland's D started to step it up and put pressure on Palmer whenever he dropped back to pass. Instead of calling some quick outs or slants to keep them honest, they seemed go back to the old slow developing pass plays and runs up the gut.

And for all the runs, I didn't see many play actions. I would have liked to have seen more running plays with Scott and Leonard or Johnson in the backfield so that Oakland would have had more difficulty knowing whether the run was coming up the middle or to the side.

However, the fumbles by Palmer, Jeremi Johnson and Caldwell killed them today. Palmer and Johnson I can forgive because they've done well in the past. IIRC, Caldwell has had issues protecting the ball on kick returns before. I'm hoping Benson comes back next week or Larry Johnson is ready to handle more carries so that Scott can handle kick off returns in addition to his RB duties. I don't ever want to see Caldwell back for a kick again.

Redsfaithful
11-22-2009, 09:39 PM
I think they scored twice early, were up 14 points on a bad team and put it on cruise control. I've seen this happen time and time again in all sports over the years (see OSU 1998 loss to MSU). Once intensity is turned off, it's very difficult to turn it back on. This might be good for them in the long run.

They went up 14-0 on the Browns earlier this year also, and barely won that one in deep OT. I think you're going to hear a lot this week about the Bengals learning a lesson that they need to put bad teams away, but they already had the opportunity to learn that earlier in the year.

Today didn't really change anything, they're even still the #2 seed in the AFC right now, but it's a huge missed opportunity.

The Larry Johnson signing irritates me even more now also, Scott clearly is good enough to fill in when Benson is hurt. Johnson isn't worth the distraction, even if it was minor.

6-4-3
11-22-2009, 09:47 PM
The Larry Johnson signing irritates me even more now also, Scott clearly is good enough to fill in when Benson is hurt. Johnson isn't worth the distraction, even if it was minor.

I also like Scott as a player. However, a large chunk of his 119 (61) came on one play. He average 2.9 a pop on the rest of his carries. I would've like to see more of LJ today instead of giving Leonard so many carries. If they were sticking to the ground attack with such a commitment then LJ perhaps would've been better to spell Scott than Leonard.

TeamSelig
11-22-2009, 10:16 PM
If you think Scott is clearly good enough to start, you obviously didn't watch the game. Sure, the box score looks nice, but he cost us the game. Actually, it wasn't really Scott's fault. Why the coaches would call run after run after run AFTER RUN is beyond me. Scott had one maybe two big runs and the rest was short gains at best.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 10:33 PM
Two thoughts:

1. The Bengals should sign Bruce Gradkowski this off-season to be the 3rd QB -- if for no other reason than to prevent him from popping up every few years to beat them.

2. The Bengals will continue to have red-zone issues until they address the glaring problem at TE. Chase Coffman was supposed to do this, but apparently he's too stupid to figure out the playbook -- or whatever reason is being given for him not being on the field.

I hear that Coffman is not a great blocker hence why he is inactive most weeks. Marvin is so committed to the run this year he would rather have Coats and Foschi out there to help block.

DTCromer
11-22-2009, 10:37 PM
No matter how bad some people want to blame special teams, this one is ALL on the offense.

Up 14-0 early in the 2nd and you score 1 FG 40 minutes the rest of the game. 2 blown opportunities in the red zone.

Offense has another one on their record.

KoryMac5
11-22-2009, 10:37 PM
I thought Whitworth had a really good point after the game:


Whitworth added: "It shows you when Pittsburgh layed an egg also. Maybe both teams were (affected) by the battle last week. This team has fought hard. We've beaten better teams than this team today. I don't think we're worried about rebounding. We are mature. Guys will be in the locker room figuring out how to beat the Cleveland Browns, and that's all we're worried about."

It just shows how there can be a let down after a really tough football game. No such excuse next week.

DTCromer
11-22-2009, 10:44 PM
This loss, IMO, is worse than the Broncos loss. The Bengals had no business beating Denver. The Bengals had every chance to win today and blew it. Not to mention, Pittsburgh lost earlier to possibly make it a 3 game lead.

cincrazy
11-22-2009, 10:56 PM
I wouldn't say that Scott cost us the game. The guy isn't an every down back, yet he filled in admirably for a workhorse in Benson. Whether he had one big run or not, he still cranked out over 100 yards.

The problem with the offense wasn't the running game, it was the turnovers. Stupid turnovers will kill you, and they did today. No one would be complaining about the game plan if Johnson, Caldwell, and Palmer can hold onto the football as they get paid to do.

MWM
11-22-2009, 10:58 PM
Yep, analysis of the nuts and bolts of the game will tell you turnovers is what led to their demise today. There are always shoulda's and coulda's, but turnovers are REALLY hard to overcome in the NFL.

traderumor
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
Palmer 8 of 10 for 120+ early on, throws 12 total passes the rest of the game.I did not see the last quarter, but the first three quarters were big runs, pass rush blowing up the passing game. They just couldn't finish two red zones with TDs and that cost them the game, in the grand scheme of things. Tough loss, game we'll win 9 out of 10 times, but we only get one chance.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 11:39 PM
Let's hope the Lions took what little pride the Browns have left and they call it in against the Bengals next Sunday.

GIDP
11-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Like I said the reason the Raiders were 2-7 was Jamarcus Russel more than anything. He is so unbelievably bad it overshadows what the Raiders actually do well.

macro
11-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Today didn't really change anything, they're even still the #2 seed in the AFC right now, but it's a huge missed opportunity.

Actually, they're now tied with New England and San Diego. All three are 7-3 and 5-3 within the conference. NE has the easiest schedule and are starting to look like about a 12-4 team. I can see the Bengals and SD going 11-5, along with Pittsburgh. So really they've lost themselves into a potential logjam, and it was uncalled for.

I'm not at all happy with this team right now, and wasn't during the game, either.

dsmith421
11-23-2009, 12:05 AM
Help me out here. Why in God's name does Bratkowski dial up a fade to Leonard on 3rd down and 3 instead of running the ball and taking it down to the two minute warning? Does that play call make any sense at all? Let's assume they run and don't get the 1st down. The clock would run down to 2:00 before the punt, or Oakland has to use a time out. Instead, you had the pass play at 2:15 or so, then the punt, then Oakland ran a play before the warning. In what universe does it make sense to give the other team two extra snaps when you are ahead?

Chip R
11-23-2009, 12:06 AM
Why the coaches would call run after run after run AFTER RUN is beyond me.


Probably because Oakland positively stinks against the run.

Redsfaithful
11-23-2009, 12:30 AM
Actually, they're now tied with New England and San Diego. All three are 7-3 and 5-3 within the conference. NE has the easiest schedule and are starting to look like about a 12-4 team. I can see the Bengals and SD going 11-5, along with Pittsburgh. So really they've lost themselves into a potential logjam, and it was uncalled for.

I'm not at all happy with this team right now, and wasn't during the game, either.

From what I've read they are technically the 2 seed right now based on opponent strength.

Today was turnovers and penalties, I'm not really sure what to tell anyone who thinks otherwise. It wasn't the running game's fault, the coaching strategy would have worked if the Bengals didn't fumble as many times as they did.

I realize Palmer looked good early, but focusing on the run game was a defensible strategy, Oakland has a decent secondary and they were getting all kinds of pressure on Palmer today.

macro
11-23-2009, 12:38 AM
From what I've read they are technically the 2 seed right now based on opponent strength.

Yep, I saw that after I made that reply. I just don't have any faith that they're going to end up #2 at this point. Hopefully they'll surprise me.

Caveat Emperor
11-23-2009, 12:49 AM
Probably because Oakland positively stinks against the run.

And Oakland actually has some decent playmakers in their defensive secondary.

TeamSelig
11-23-2009, 02:21 AM
Probably because Oakland positively stinks against the run.

No excuse to not adjust during the game.

Playadlc
11-23-2009, 03:16 AM
Just gotta bounce back.

Get Benson back and healthy and we will be fine.

The Operator
11-23-2009, 03:47 AM
I think someone has already pointed this out, but other than Bernard Scott's 61-yard run; he averaged 2.9 yards per carry today. Leonard averaged 2.8.

On top of that, maybe I was seeing it wrong but it seemed to me they were calling Cedric Benson running plays for Bernard Scott. He is not a running back that can bust it up the middle between the tackles, IMO. That's a guy like Benson or LJ (that guy they only gave the ball twice).

Running Jeremi Johnson and watching him fumble the ball away when you had LJ standing on the sidelines is unforgivable to me. Why sign him if they don't plan to use him?

I still see this as a Bob Bratkowski failure to properly plan or react in game. You can't keep calling the same plays with different personnel with different skills. But that's always been his forte. And you can just about guarantee he won't adjust either.

It also doesn't help that the "franchise" kicker missed a 37 yard field goal. Seriously, HOW does that happen?

GIDP
11-23-2009, 08:21 AM
The only real problem I had with the play calling was the Jeremi Johnson run. I just dont see why you do that.

6-4-3
11-23-2009, 08:38 AM
Probably because Oakland positively stinks against the run.

Oakland has been awful against the run (31st in the NFL coming into yesterday). However, two reasons behind that are how much their D has been asked to be out on the field... combined with always playing from behind when teams are more prone to run. Trust me Russell at qb handicapped this team I think worse than we all can imagine. The D has just been on the field too much.

In the Raiders win against the Eagles (also Russell's best game, they won 13-9 he threw for 220+), Oakland held the Eagles to 60 yards on the ground. With Oakland being able to put a semi-productive offensive effort they can man the fort against the run decently.

The failure off Brat to adjust to this, is the big problem I have. In game adjustments have been a problem for years. I do not argue with the philosophical gameplan to run the ball.