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Playadlc
12-16-2009, 05:28 PM
RT @joereedy: Chris Henry involved in an accident in Charlotte. Injuries are believed to be very serious #bengals

http://twitter.com/joereedy

I hope he is okay.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 05:33 PM
Wow hope everyone involved isnt that seriously hurt.

Serious injuries is a pretty big statement

OnBaseMachine
12-16-2009, 05:37 PM
Just read this on Twitter:


Ands651: RT @Biodome10: #bengals Just heard from a friend in Cincy that Chris Henry has passed away...awaiting confirmation now. RIP Chris...so sad.

Man I hope and pray that's not true.

http://twitter.com/search?q=%23bengals

paintmered
12-16-2009, 05:39 PM
Wow... :(

GIDP
12-16-2009, 05:42 PM
If thats true its weird how things happen.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 05:43 PM
Wow. I hope that's not true too. Just when it seemed like the guy was putting all the trouble behind him...

westofyou
12-16-2009, 05:46 PM
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-Henry-suffers-very-serious-injuries-in-accident/612572f9-1819-49ed-a509-e503e8973908


The Bengals confirmed Wednesday that wide receiver Chris Henry has been in a car accident in which he suffered “very serious,” injuries in Charlotte, N.C.

Henry, who has been on injured reserve since Nov. 9 with a dislocated forearm, is in the city of his girlfriend’s parents.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 05:47 PM
I'm not buying that he died. No one other than that one thing has reported anything like that other than saying "very serious".

CTA513
12-16-2009, 05:54 PM
I hope hes alright he was just starting to turn his life around in the last year or so.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm not buying that he died. No one other than that one thing has reported anything like that other than saying "very serious".
It's too soon to know anything for sure except that there was a car accident and he was injured. Hopefully it's not that bad.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 05:58 PM
It's too soon to know anything for sure except that there was a car accident and he was injured. Hopefully it's not that bad.

Yea I'm not seeing any updates other than the initial one.

I saw head injury but no clue how true that one is yet.

Ron Madden
12-16-2009, 05:59 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to Chris and his family.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:03 PM
WLW suggesting that he might be dead with the latest. Didnt say it out right but they laid it out in strong words insinuating.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:06 PM
Charlotte News station saying it happened after a Domestic Dispute.

http://twitter.com/BlairMiller9

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:09 PM
2 things

He might have already died and Bengals arent confirming it yet.

He might still be in serious condition.

Highlifeman21
12-16-2009, 06:09 PM
Charlotte News station saying it happened after a Domestic Dispute.

http://twitter.com/BlairMiller9

Henry's fiancee lives in Charlotte.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:12 PM
Life threatening injuries are what they are being said right now.

Henry supposedly jumped into the back of his wifes truck fell out and something along those lines.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 06:12 PM
2 things

He might have already died and Bengals arent confirming it yet.

He might still be in serious condition.
I don't think it would be up to the Bengals whether the media found out.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:13 PM
police say #Bengals player Chris Henry and fiance were fighting. CMPD calls his injuries "life threatening" he's at CLT hospital now

Oxilon
12-16-2009, 06:14 PM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/breaking/story/1128580.html

Bengals wide receiver injured in Charlotte wreck
Police say Chris Henry fell out the back of a pickup truck
Cleve R. Wootson Jr. and Ely Portillo
Staff Writers
Posted: Wednesday, Dec. 16, 2009

Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry was injured after coming out of the back of a pickup truck during a domestic dispute in north Charlotte.

Officers were called out to Oakdale Road near I-485 and Statesville Road just before noon in reference to a person down. When officers arrived, they found Henry in the road, with life-threatening injuries.

Paramedics transported Henry to Carolinas Medical Center, where he is being treated, according to police.

Police say Henry was involved in a "domestic situation" with his fiancee at 840 Peachtree Road. His fiancee, who was not named in a press release, got into a pickup truck and drove away from the home. As she was driving, police say, Henry jumped into the bed of the truck.

The domestic dispute continued between the driver of the truck and Henry. At some point, Henry came out of the back of the vehicle.

He was found by police about half a mile from the house in question.

A team spokesman confirmed that the parents of Henry's fiancee live in Charlotte, though it's unclear if he was visiting them.

Henry, No. 15 on the Bengals, is in his fifth season with the team and is known for his speed and athletic ability but also his troubles off the field.

He had frequent discipline issues, including four arrests in a seven-month span in 2006.

Those arrests included supplying alcohol to three underage females, a concealed weapon charge involving allegations that he pulled a pistol on a group of revelers, and marijuana charges.

In five seasons, he's caught 119 passes for 1,826 yard and 21 touchdowns.

He has been on injured reserve since dislocating his forearm Nov. 9.

Chip R
12-16-2009, 06:15 PM
2 things

He might have already died and Bengals arent confirming it yet.

He might still be in serious condition.


That is true.

Let's not go by what WLW and Twitter says. Especially when we're talking about a life and death situation. I'd like to see more reliable sources than those two outlets.

nate
12-16-2009, 06:15 PM
Just read a crazy account. Not sure if this is confirmed:


Police say Henry was involved in a "domestic situation" with his fiancee at 840 Peachtree Road. His fiancee, who was not named in a press release, got into a pickup truck and drove away from the home. As she was driving, police say, Henry jumped into the bed of the truck.

The domestic dispute continued between the driver of the truck and Henry. At some point, Henry came out of the back of the vehicle.

He was found by police about half a mile from the house in question.


Ugh.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:17 PM
That is true.

Let's not go by what WLW and Twitter says. Especially when we're talking about a life and death situation. I'd like to see more reliable sources than those two outlets.

WLW isnt a reliable source? They are referencing news reports from other places. They are just holding back actually confirming that hes dead I think.

I'm using twitter reports from actual news people.

paintmered
12-16-2009, 06:18 PM
WLW isnt a reliable source? They are referencing news reports from other places. They are just holding back actually confirming that hes dead I think.

If I was family, I'd much prefer to find out about something like this by a means other than the national media.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 06:18 PM
That is true.

Let's not go by what WLW and Twitter says. Especially when we're talking about a life and death situation. I'd like to see more reliable sources than those two outlets.
I understand what you mean but it's not like WLW is the National Enquirer. And with other sources confirming information...

savafan
12-16-2009, 06:19 PM
My ex-fiancee's brother died in a similar fashion.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:20 PM
If I was family, I'd much prefer to find out about something like this by a means other than the national media.

thats what is making me think maybe people in the know are maybe holding it back. Injuries are one thing but deaths are something even the most heartless of media types tend to not release with out thinking 1st.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 06:21 PM
If I was family, I'd much prefer to find out about something like this by a means other than the national media.
You, me, and everyone else. But in this day of 24 hour news, the internet, and camera phones, unfortunately the family loses out on that amount of privacy.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Nothing new that I got other than him falling out of the back of the truck and being in serious and having life threatening injuries.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:24 PM
"Homicide Detectives with the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department are investigating the incident."

According to WCPO

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Bengals-WR-Henry-Seriously-Injured-In-Accident/B-5QfTwSv0O5ZLJBsE2-pw.cspx

Chip R
12-16-2009, 06:26 PM
WLW isnt a reliable source? They are referencing news reports from other places. They are just holding back actually confirming that hes dead I think.

I'm using twitter reports from actual news people.


Hardly. They tend to sensationalize and exaggerate things.

I understand about the Twitter reports but color me skeptical about that. I'm not saying you shouldn't report it but if I wanted solid confirmation on his condition, I'd look elsewhere.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:27 PM
Hardly. They tend to sensationalize and exaggerate things.

I understand about the Twitter reports but color me skeptical about that. I'm not saying you shouldn't report it but if I wanted solid confirmation on his condition, I'd look elsewhere.

Sounds like you dont understand the difference between news reports and talk shows.

savafan
12-16-2009, 06:30 PM
"Homicide Detectives with the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department are investigating the incident."

According to WCPO

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Bengals-WR-Henry-Seriously-Injured-In-Accident/B-5QfTwSv0O5ZLJBsE2-pw.cspx

That doesn't sound good.

Chip R
12-16-2009, 06:30 PM
Sounds like you dont understand the difference between news reports and talk shows.


Unfortunately, neither does WLW.

Handofdeath
12-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Checking all the news articles out there on Google shows no mention of his dying fortunately.

savafan
12-16-2009, 06:40 PM
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/b/a/ba69c8353bcad2378edc2f01911a1e0a_chrishenrykilled. jpg

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/henry-seriously-hurt-fell-off-back-of-pickup-truck-27412

Jack Brennan is head of Bengals PR.

Horrible, horrible news.

The KENTUCKY POST reports, “Homicide Detectives with the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department are investigating the incident.”

The CHARLOTTE OBSERVER reports on a car accident involving Cincinnati Bengal Chris Henry.

Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry was injured after coming out of the back of a pickup truck during a domestic dispute in north Charlotte. Officers were called out to Oakdale Road near I-485 and Statesville Road just before noon in reference to a person down. When officers arrived, they found Henry in the road, with life-threatening injuries.

Paramedics transported Henry to Carolinas Medical Center, where he is being treated, according to police. Police say Henry was involved in a “domestic situation” with his fiancee at 840 Peachtree Road. His fiancee, who was not named in a press release, got into a pickup truck and drove away from the home. As she was driving, police say, Henry jumped into the bed of the truck.

The domestic dispute continued between the driver of the truck and Henry. At some point, Henry came out of the back of the vehicle.

He was found by police about half a mile from the house in question.

A team spokesman confirmed that the parents of Henry’s fiancee live in Charlotte, though it’s unclear if he was visiting them.

Boston Red
12-16-2009, 06:41 PM
Dallas Morning News reporting as fatal as well.

Playadlc
12-16-2009, 06:41 PM
Who the hell is this biodome guy? He posted Henry died over an hour ago.

It doesn't look good, but I'm not believing anything I read right now from twitter.

savafan
12-16-2009, 06:42 PM
Dr. Allenberg, the head of the ICU at Piedmont Center, he confirmed Chris Henry has passed away

savafan
12-16-2009, 06:42 PM
Who the hell is this biodome guy? He posted Henry died over an hour ago.

It doesn't look good, but I'm not believing anything I read right now from twitter.

Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News

Redsfaithful
12-16-2009, 06:45 PM
That Twitter account is fake.

http://twitter.com/joereedy/ <-- Trust people who you know are actually talking to Bengals PR.

Playadlc
12-16-2009, 06:45 PM
Joe Reedy is saying Jack Brennan is NOT confirming his death which is who Gerry Fraley said he talked to.

Gerry Fraley doesn't know anything right now.

Handofdeath
12-16-2009, 06:47 PM
Joe Reedy is saying Jack Brennan is NOT confirming his death which is who Gerry Fraley said he talked to.

Gerry Fraley doesn't know anything right now.

Checking the Dallas News website shows no mention of him dying.

Eric_the_Red
12-16-2009, 06:48 PM
Very sad news.

Take a look at the '05 draft:
Pollack - breaks neck, retires
Thurman - alcoholic, out of NFL
Henry - fatal/serious car wreck
Ghiaciuc - plays for the Browns
Kieft - torn ACL/MCL in rookie game, never plays
Fanene - last man standing

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Yea I havent been repeating what that guy said.

Playadlc
12-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Charlotte police are saying that Henry is still alive.

http://twitter.com/joereedy

Boston Red
12-16-2009, 06:50 PM
Charlotte police should know better than a Dallas reporter.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Very sad news.

Take a look at the '05 draft:
Pollack - breaks neck, retires
Thurman - alcoholic, out of NFL
Henry - fatal/serious car wreck
Ghiaciuc - plays for the Browns
Kieft - torn ACL/MCL in rookie game, never plays
Fanene - last man standing

Bengals have had some of the worst luck with picks in injuries. It's been going all the way back to Kajana Carter and thats just what I remember.

Handofdeath
12-16-2009, 06:55 PM
Much as it pains me to recommend them, TMZ.com would probably have the most up to date news. As it is, it's their top story. They pretty much led the coverage on Michael Jackson's death.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Very sad news.

Take a look at the '05 draft:
Pollack - breaks neck, retires
Thurman - alcoholic, out of NFL
Henry - fatal/serious car wreck
Ghiaciuc - plays for the Browns
Kieft - torn ACL/MCL in rookie game, never plays
Fanene - last man standing
It's like the draft from hell.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Joe Reedy is saying the Police are saying Henry is still alive.

No one is confirming he is dead.

Handofdeath
12-16-2009, 07:02 PM
This one deserves a sticky.

Ron Madden
12-16-2009, 07:04 PM
Right now I'm more concerned with the condition of Chris Henry than the results of any draft.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 07:08 PM
Right now I'm more concerned with the condition of Chris Henry than the results of any draft.
Point taken. I think it's safe to say that the health of Henry is more important than what he might be able to do for the Bengals.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 07:19 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/121609-Bengals-Henry

Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry is on life support after falling out of the back of a pickup truck in North Carolina, a source has told FOXSports.com's Alex Marvez. The source described the situation as "dire."

Nothing really new but life support being mentioned for the 1st time.

HeatherC1212
12-16-2009, 07:40 PM
Oh my goodness, this is awful news. My thoughts and prayers go out to Chris, his fiance, and both of their families and friends who all have to be going through emotionally draining times right now. :(

hebroncougar
12-16-2009, 07:52 PM
Wow........terrible, terrible news, hope he pulls through.

mlh1981
12-16-2009, 08:03 PM
There are some NASTY comments on espn.com. People should really learn when to shut up! :thumbdown

savafan
12-16-2009, 08:05 PM
There are some NASTY comments on espn.com. People should really learn when to shut up! :thumbdown

There's some pretty classless stuff on Twitter as well.

savafan
12-16-2009, 08:11 PM
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/12/16/bengals-chris-henry-in-dire-condition-source-says/?synd=1

Eric_the_Red
12-16-2009, 08:15 PM
Right now I'm more concerned with the condition of Chris Henry than the results of any draft.

Of course. I was just pointing out the "cursed" nature of that draft class.

Ron Madden
12-16-2009, 08:20 PM
Of course. I was just pointing out the "cursed" nature of that draft class.

I didn't mean for it to sound like I was calling anyone out. Just expressing my concerns.

savafan
12-16-2009, 08:25 PM
Best case, his football career is over, and his life seriously altered. Worst case, his life is over.

George Foster
12-16-2009, 08:28 PM
I feel sorry for his family, I hope he pulls through. If he's on life support after falling out of a truck, that means severe head injuries.

This guy's life is a train wreck. honestly, he's lucky to have lived this long.

vottofan4life
12-16-2009, 08:28 PM
Does anybody have any new "real" news about Henry? I've been watchin this all day and I'm as shocked as all you guys if not more. He did'nt deserve this when getting ready to turn the corner for good. When i heard he was on life support i didn't know what to think

SunDeck
12-16-2009, 08:29 PM
Man, I cannot help feeling sorry for Chris Henry. While so many of his problems have been self inflicted he seems like a magnet for misfortune all the same. And this incident has also put me firmly in opposition to Twitter- the social networking site that supports rumor and blurting out to the world the things that should remain in one's head. It's the internet equivalent of tourette's syndrome.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 08:34 PM
Does anybody have any new "real" news about Henry? I've been watchin this all day and I'm as shocked as all you guys if not more. He did'nt deserve this when getting ready to turn the corner for good. When i heard he was on life support i didn't know what to think

I have nothing other than him being in serious and on life support.

savafan
12-16-2009, 08:34 PM
Apparently, Henry and his fiancee had just bought wedding rings today, hours before this happened.

KoryMac5
12-16-2009, 08:41 PM
Unfortunately lining in a rural area I have seen a few people I knew who fell out of the back of pick ups. Each one passed away due to head injuries as a result of the fall. Never mind his football career or his past history I hope he has a guardian angel looking over him tonight. He really seemed to have turned things around I pray that he can pull through for he and his family. I can only imagine how his fiancee feels tonight.

WVRed
12-16-2009, 08:52 PM
One thing to admit though, this has been a very traumatic year for this team. First Vicki Zimmer passes away and now this. As much as I hope Chris pulls through, this has to be an emotional toll on the entire team.

Thoughts and prayers are with Chris and everybody who knows him.

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 09:04 PM
I didn't mean for it to sound like I was calling anyone out. Just expressing my concerns.
No worries.

Does anybody have any new "real" news about Henry? I've been watchin this all day and I'm as shocked as all you guys if not more. He did'nt deserve this when getting ready to turn the corner for good. When i heard he was on life support i didn't know what to think
Does anyone deserve to die young? The only reason this is getting so much attention from the media is because he's a name, a pro athlete, a 'celebrity'. There are people that suffer a fate as bad, sometimes worse, in anonymity all the time. It's always sad no matter who they are. I kinda think it would have been better if Henry had been a nobody so the people involved could have some privacy right now. But I just hope Henry lives to see another day.

Beside the obvious people to feel sorry for (Henry, his fiancee, the kids, the families, ...) I kinda feel sorry for Mike Brown. He was the one guy, probably the only guy that was willing to give Henry so many chances. I'm not sure there's many here that would've done the same. I'm not sure I would've.

GIDP
12-16-2009, 09:26 PM
Chris Henry's mom and the rest of the family landing in Charlotte shortly per Joe Reedy.

Also from Reedy

From everything I am hearing, Chris Henry is still alive

GIDP
12-16-2009, 09:56 PM
Henrys agent http://twitter.com/andysimms

Client Chris Henry - He is indeed battling for his life tonight, and our thoughts and prayers our with him.

So nothing new just giving what updates I pick up.

jimbo
12-16-2009, 10:12 PM
I have a friend who suffered a serious head injury in a horse racing accident over the summer and after months of prayers and rehab, he is finally home. I hope and pray that Chris is back home and safe soon.

OnBaseMachine
12-16-2009, 11:33 PM
You have to be a sick freak to create a fake twitter account and report that Henry died.

I hope Henry pulls through. I got to watch him on TV a lot when he played at West Virginia. He obviously had some troubles off the field but he's incredibly talented and was fun to watch. My thoughts and prayers are with Chris and his family.

TeamSelig
12-17-2009, 12:08 AM
You have to be a sick freak to create a fake twitter account and report that Henry died.



I agree. Someone who does that needs to be punished.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:05 AM
I heard about the incident last night. This is quite sad, as Henry was a great WR, and seemed to be turning his life around. It's not looking good for him now.

320

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:49 AM
Chris Henry has passed away, Channel 5 reports.
RIP
I feel horrible for his family.
320

redsfan30
12-17-2009, 09:56 AM
:(

GIDP
12-17-2009, 09:56 AM
Yea just about everyone is reporting that he has died. Really really sucks for everyone involved. This Bengals football team has been through so much this year I could hardly imagine what it was like when Zimmer wife died. Having a team mate that they played with for years die? Wow has to be another massive blast.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:59 AM
Yeah, not sure if NFL does jersey patches, but if they do I'd expect to see a #15 or something like that for the rest of the season.

320

HeatherC1212
12-17-2009, 10:03 AM
I don't even know the guy and I'm tearing up at work after hearing the news that he passed away. RIP Chris and my best thoughts and prayers go out to his family, friends, and teammates. :(

GIDP
12-17-2009, 10:13 AM
How eerie similar does this sound to Sean Taylor? Trouble maker turns life around everyone starts finally realizing that the guy might have figured it out then some freak scenario ends up killing the guy.

It's certainly strange how things work out. I once knew a life long drunk who finally sobered up started going to church and with in a month he died of having a heart during a car wreck. Makes you think a little.

nate
12-17-2009, 10:16 AM
What a tragedy!

Redlegs212
12-17-2009, 10:16 AM
RIP Chris Henry..

cincrazy
12-17-2009, 10:27 AM
Oh man. This is rough. RIP Chris.

RichRed
12-17-2009, 10:28 AM
How eerie similar does this sound to Sean Taylor? Trouble maker turns life around everyone starts finally realizing that the guy might have figured it out then some freak scenario ends up killing the guy.


As a Skins fan, that one hit close to home.

Very sad for Henry, his family and Bengals fans.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 10:34 AM
Yeah, this is awful. Two tragic losses for the Bengals this season. Wonder how they'll be on Sunday. I expect they'll have some sort of a ceremony at every game this week, as well as a bit more of one in SD where the Bengals will be, and then an even bigger one at Paul Brown next week.
Marvin expected to speak at 11.

320

traderumor
12-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Sad indeed. It is clear from reading the article on Bengals.com that he had started living life differently. I am sure this is especially hard on Mike Brown, who granted a second chance that mattered for the guy.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 10:44 AM
TMZ.com is going to showing the press conference if you guys are at work or something and would like to watch it.

KoryMac5
12-17-2009, 10:44 AM
Sad news indeed for Henry and his family. He will be missed.

Reds Fanatic
12-17-2009, 10:56 AM
Really sad news. RIP Chris.

redsfandan
12-17-2009, 10:58 AM
Man, this sucks.

Chip R
12-17-2009, 11:01 AM
Sad news indeed for Henry and his family. He will be missed.


Indeed. Prayers go out to his family.

OnBaseMachine
12-17-2009, 11:04 AM
Very sad news. RIP Chris. :(

HotCorner
12-17-2009, 11:05 AM
RIP Slim.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 11:10 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/17/live-cincinnati-bengals-address-henrys-death/

Press conference link

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 11:30 AM
Just watched the press conference. So, so sad. Marvin seemed very upset about it. I'm not sure how they're gonna focus the team for Sunday.

320

redsfandan
12-17-2009, 11:33 AM
Just watched the press conference. So, so sad. Marvin seemed very upset about it. I'm not sure how they're gonna focus the team for Sunday.

320
Yep, pretty damm sad. The team may have a hard time. But more importantly, I hope the families have any help they need to deal with this. Too damm young to die.

Degenerate39
12-17-2009, 11:35 AM
Let's win it all for Chris. :( RIP I hate seeing this happen to a guy that was turning his life around finally. He was too young to go

redsfandan
12-17-2009, 11:47 AM
Exactly. I really hope that the team devotes the rest of the season and the playoffs to CH. And I really, really hope they do something for his family. That's all I got. I'm outta here.

Degenerate39
12-17-2009, 12:08 PM
It was sad seeing Ocho's reaction to this horrible news.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 12:09 PM
Chad Johnson pretty much just lost it on ESPNews being interviewed in the locker room. Talk about emotional.

WMR
12-17-2009, 12:28 PM
So very, very sad. RIP.

NJReds
12-17-2009, 12:38 PM
What an awful story. RIP

Ron Madden
12-17-2009, 12:45 PM
This is very sad news.

yab1112
12-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Man that was tough watching Chad's interview. My heart breaks for Chris's teammates and more importantly, his family. My thoughts and prayers go out to them.

flyer85
12-17-2009, 01:04 PM
when you're young you think that you're immortal. Very sad, feel bad for the family.

TeamBoone
12-17-2009, 01:14 PM
The Broncos website is featuring this picture... both are now gone. How sad is that.

RIP, Chris Henry. You will be missed in several ways.

TeamSelig
12-17-2009, 01:38 PM
I was really hoping he would pull through this. :(

Reds4Life
12-17-2009, 01:45 PM
I was really hoping he would pull through this. :(

It's not good to say, but if he had massive head injuries the probability of him living a normal life after the accident was probably pretty low. If you want to call it a positive, at least he won't suffer for the rest of his life.

RIP, #15. Catch a few deep passes from the big QB upstairs.

SunDeck
12-17-2009, 01:56 PM
You know what? This may be the first time in 15 years that I'm going to say Mike Brown might have gotten something right. Chris Henry had his problems, but Brown gave him a chance. Kudos to you Mike Brown and I'm very sorry you won't get to see if you were right or not.

fearofpopvol1
12-17-2009, 02:01 PM
Exactly. I really hope that the team devotes the rest of the season and the playoffs to CH. And I really, really hope they do something for his family. That's all I got. I'm outta here.

Carson Palmer said they would be...to CH and to the coordinator who lost his wife.

Eric_the_Red
12-17-2009, 02:05 PM
Bengals will wear helmet patches in honor of CH on Sunday. Chad Ochocinco wore a CH jersey at practice today.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 02:14 PM
Just watched the Ochocinco video. Poor Chad.

320

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 02:16 PM
BTW, what happened to Mr.Darren-Williams, the other guy in the picture? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

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Eric_the_Red
12-17-2009, 02:21 PM
BTW, what happened to Mr.Darren-Williams, the other guy in the picture? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

320


Shot to death. Drive by shooting, IIRC.

Chip R
12-17-2009, 02:22 PM
BTW, what happened to Mr.Darren-Williams, the other guy in the picture? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

320


I think he was shot in his car or something like that.

Danny Serafini
12-17-2009, 02:22 PM
BTW, what happened to Mr.Darren-Williams, the other guy in the picture? I don't remember hearing anything about it.

320

He was out celebrating New Year's with some friends and teammates when someone sprayed the limo with bullets. Someone had a beef with someone else in the limo, and he wound up paying for it.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 02:45 PM
Yea he died in the arms of Javon Walker outside of Kenyon Martins birthday party.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Wow. What a shame about Darren-Williams.
Thanx for the info.

320

WMR
12-17-2009, 04:31 PM
Really nice but now heartbreaking video interview Chris gave in October of this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-T5vgGPLSE

Handofdeath
12-17-2009, 04:36 PM
You know what? This may be the first time in 15 years that I'm going to say Mike Brown might have gotten something right. Chris Henry had his problems, but Brown gave him a chance. Kudos to you Mike Brown and I'm very sorry you won't get to see if you were right or not.

Unfortunately, the facts of this case show that Mike Brown was probably wrong.

The Operator
12-17-2009, 04:44 PM
Unfortunately, the facts of this case show that Mike Brown was probably wrong.

Please.

There's not a person on this board who can truly say they wouldn't ever do the same thing Chris Henry did yesterday. We know NOTHING about the "domestic dispute" that occurred, it may not have been Chris' fault at all. And if you see your fiance driving off who's to say you wouldn't jump in the truck too?

I could see myself doing the same thing. It's scary, actually.


RIP Slim. You'll be missed.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 04:46 PM
His fiance is saying he jumped out of the truck.

Reds4Life
12-17-2009, 05:22 PM
His fiance is saying he jumped out of the truck.

Yup.

Channel 5 just reported the police are investigating his death as a suicide. It sounds like a neighbor saw the whole thing, and it backs up her story that he jumped and took his own life.

TeamSelig
12-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Suicide? Really? I would think that maybe he wanted out and she wouldn't stop.

So does this mean he was riding up front when this happened?

GIDP
12-17-2009, 05:27 PM
No they are saying he jumped out of the back of the truck.

I refuse to believe its a suicide. Maybe a really dumb choice to jump out but it doesnt sound like a suicide unless they were going like 70 MPH and he dove head first.

TeamSelig
12-17-2009, 05:34 PM
Unless drugs and/or alcohol was involved, I don't see it being a suicide. JMO

TRF
12-17-2009, 05:36 PM
Unfortunately, the facts of this case show that Mike Brown was probably wrong.

myopic view. in the heat of an argument we have all done stupid things. sometimes dangerous stupid things. From all accounts he was headed in the right direction. no arrests, no late night partying and a re-dedication to his family and the profession he was so very gifted at.

Mike Brown is a dumb ass owner, but as a person, he got this one right.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 05:38 PM
Yea its hard to really know what was going on just yet. People get a little nuts when its involving family and things like that.

Cyclone792
12-17-2009, 05:39 PM
RIP Chris Henry.

From Channel 5 ...

http://www.wlwt.com/sports/21987045/detail.html


Tree trimmer Lee Hardy told reporters Thursday that he was working in a tree in a yard near the road when he saw the pickup approaching "pretty fast."

Hardy said the pickup came to a quick stop at an intersection.

"And that's when I heard him yelling at her that he wanted to talk," Hardy said. "'We need to talk, we need to talk.'" Hardy said the woman inside was saying "No, I don't want to talk, get off the truck, get out of the truck."

As the truck pulled away, Hardy said he heard Henry say "If you take off, I'm going to jump out and kill myself."

Hardy said the truck disappeared from view and he went back to work on the tree. He said in the distance he heard the truck stop quickly, but thought nothing of it until police cars began arriving from both directions.

Police said Henry fell out of the pickup and landed in the roadway.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 05:43 PM
crazy

TeamSelig
12-17-2009, 05:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZOBqRqw4Y

Reds4Life
12-17-2009, 06:01 PM
Never know. Men do crazy things when it comes to women.

The Operator
12-17-2009, 06:10 PM
Never know. Men do crazy things when it comes to women.

Bingo.

That's why I don't think anyone should come out and accuse him of never having changed or returning to his old ways because of this. This was nothing like his past troubles. A woman can make you feel on top of the world, or, unfortunately, the exact opposite.

GIDP
12-17-2009, 06:15 PM
"I can see Steve McNair and Chris Henry up there throwing bombs" - Chad Johnson

Handofdeath
12-17-2009, 08:38 PM
Please.

There's not a person on this board who can truly say they wouldn't ever do the same thing Chris Henry did yesterday. We know NOTHING about the "domestic dispute" that occurred, it may not have been Chris' fault at all. And if you see your fiance driving off who's to say you wouldn't jump in the truck too?

I could see myself doing the same thing. It's scary, actually.


RIP Slim. You'll be missed.

I disagree, I think there is plenty of people on this board that wouldn't do it. But you know, a man is dead and nobody deserves to die like he did and I'm really sorry about it. I mean absolutely no disrespect to the memory of Chris Henry.

Reds/Flyers Fan
12-17-2009, 11:05 PM
Unfortunately, the facts of this case show that Mike Brown was probably wrong.

:thumbdown

macro
12-18-2009, 12:08 AM
Chris Henry threatened to kill himself as girlfriend drove off, witness says:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091217/SPT02/312170071/1066/Chris+Henry+911+calls+released

TC81190
12-18-2009, 12:24 AM
If that really is true, then I expect we may hear reports come out over the next couple weeks that Henry was more troubled than we knew, just not in the same way that we all knew.

Eric_the_Red
12-18-2009, 08:03 AM
Jets kicker Jay Feely stirred up controversy with his Tweet yesterday: "Chris Henry seemed to have turned his life around. But, you can't live on the brink of destruction without inevitably falling off the ledge."

What an idiot. There is a time and a place for everything, and the day a man dies is not the time to critique the way he lived his life. Even if something is true doesn't mean it should be said.

Can't wait until the Bengals/Jets game. Maybe we can get a couple roughing the kicker calls.

traderumor
12-18-2009, 09:53 AM
Jets kicker Jay Feely stirred up controversy with his Tweet yesterday: "Chris Henry seemed to have turned his life around. But, you can't live on the brink of destruction without inevitably falling off the ledge."

What an idiot. There is a time and a place for everything, and the day a man dies is not the time to critique the way he lived his life. Even if something is true doesn't mean it should be said.

Can't wait until the Bengals/Jets game. Maybe we can get a couple roughing the kicker calls.Definitely low blow and not even true. There are a lot of 70 and 80 somethings around who have lived ridiculously "bad" lives, and there are folks who are living "good" lives dying what we would say is "too young," e.g. Stefanie Spielman. The rain falls on the just and unjust.

The only lesson I learn is that people ought to stay off Twitter. That thing is a cesspool of random thoughts.

Deepred05
12-18-2009, 12:36 PM
Is there any chance this woman faces manslaughter charges? I haven't heard anything.

Reds4Life
12-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Is there any chance this woman faces manslaughter charges? I haven't heard anything.

There is always a chance.

Roy Tucker
12-18-2009, 12:53 PM
Frankly, I struggle with having a balanced viewpoint on his passing. Its too easy (for me at least) to dredge up his past and wonder how much he had really changed. I suppose that's a product of him still being a work-in-progress. As we all are, I suppose. More self-reflection needed.

GIDP
12-18-2009, 12:53 PM
Is there any chance this woman faces manslaughter charges? I haven't heard anything.

Involuntarily manslaughter is probably the most possible if anything according to state laws.

wolfboy
12-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Frankly, I struggle with having a balanced viewpoint on his passing. Its too easy (for me at least) to dredge up his past and wonder how much he had really changed. I suppose that's a product of him still being a work-in-progress. As we all are, I suppose. More self-reflection needed.

I can understand the struggle, but I look at it this way: whether his turn around was complete or not may be up for interpretation, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't trying. Like you said - it was a work in progress. It's really sad that he won't get to finish what he started.

Caseyfan21
12-19-2009, 12:48 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/19/nflpa-says-it-will-pay-ochocincos-fine-if-he-wears-no-15/

Sad the NFLPA is trying to use Henry's death to score PR points for the next CBA negotiations.

TeamSelig
12-19-2009, 04:00 PM
I think it's awesome. I hope Chad goes for it.

Redsfan320
12-19-2009, 05:05 PM
Yeah, I would love to see Ochocinco wear #15. It's a good tribute.

320

Reds4Life
12-19-2009, 05:18 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/19/nflpa-says-it-will-pay-ochocincos-fine-if-he-wears-no-15/

Sad the NFLPA is trying to use Henry's death to score PR points for the next CBA negotiations.

What's even sadder is the NFL can't make a 1 time exemption for things like this. One of their teamates died, it's a way for them to honor his memory and say goodbye in their own way.

IMO, the NFL needs to remove the stick from their rear end sometimes, and this is one of those times.

GIDP
12-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Yea NFL should allow for things like this. I really dont understand what the issue is. I think its safe to say if a guy dies during the season you should bend a little.

I remember when they were going to fine Clinton Portis for wearing the Sean Taylor sticker for more than 1 game. I think the ultimately gave in.

traderumor
12-19-2009, 06:44 PM
I think the greatest tribute they could give is to dedicate the game to him, go play their hind ends off, and clinch a playoff spot.

BearcatShane
12-19-2009, 07:05 PM
I think the greatest tribute they could give is to dedicate the game to him, go play their hind ends off, and clinch a playoff spot.

Agreed.

What if Chad wears #15 and the NFL suspends him for the KC game just to prove a point to him that we will only tolerate so much of you crap?(Not that this gesture is "crap" at all, it's not) Now I highly doubt the NFL would do that, it would make them look beyond horrible but you never know.

GIDP
12-19-2009, 07:09 PM
NFLPA might throw a massive fit if the NFL did something that stupid. Not to mention all the terrible press they would get.

BearcatShane
12-19-2009, 07:12 PM
NFLPA might throw a massive fit if the NFL did something that stupid. Not to mention all the terrible press they would get.


I know. It's just something that I'v thought about.

GIDP
12-19-2009, 07:14 PM
I seriously doubt that the NFL could even suspend someone for that. Its probably only limited to money

TeamSelig
12-19-2009, 07:49 PM
Hopefully Chad wears 15 and scores 2-3 TDs

GIDP
12-19-2009, 11:29 PM
Chad said he likely wont wear it because he doesn't want to be a distraction.

I could see him wearing it in pregame or something though.

HeatherC1212
12-20-2009, 12:30 AM
They said on the news tonight that Chris' jersey will be on the sidelines somehow so it wouldn't surprise me to see Chad wearing it during the pregame and then switch to his normal jersey for the actual game. I think it's a great thing that he wanted to wear it in the game and it kind of sucks that they're giving him such a hard time about it. He just wants to honor his friend. What's so wrong with that? :(

Go get a win for Chris guys and you know he's gonna be cheering you on. :)

texasdave
12-20-2009, 01:47 AM
Maybe wear it under his real jersey and WHEN he scores a TD take his jersey off.

GIDP
12-20-2009, 02:15 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/20/cincinatti-bengals-chris-henry-checks-finances-wedding-planner-wide-receiver/

Honestly thats pretty interesting and pretty cool.

TeamSelig
12-20-2009, 03:13 PM
Maybe wear it under his real jersey and WHEN he scores a TD take his jersey off.

That would be awesome

Boston Red
12-21-2009, 06:10 PM
One family's sorrow is several other families' salvation.

http://www.wlwt.com/sports/22029046/detail.html

TeamSelig
12-21-2009, 08:07 PM
Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

HeatherC1212
12-23-2009, 11:05 AM
Nice article about Chris' funeral service yesterday (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091222/SPT02/312220035/1066/Chris+Henry+laid+to+rest)

I'm really glad TJ and some of his other former teammates were able to come pay their respects. Hopefully having a little bit of closure with this situation helps the team move forward for their game this weekend.

traderumor
12-23-2009, 12:41 PM
Is a death tragic when you learn through it that Chris Henry was a very different person than the public perception? I think it is more tragic that a living person has recently been revealed to be a fraud. May Tiger receive his redemption as well.

Reds Fanatic
06-28-2010, 09:40 AM
Testing was done on Chris Henry and they have now discovered he was suffering from brain damage caused from multiple hits to the head at the time of his death. Similar damage has been found in several former players that were examined after their deaths.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5333971

Sea Ray
06-28-2010, 10:37 AM
It makes you wonder how common this is with ex NFL players. Perhaps this was the cause of his "demons" or perhaps most NFL players have this sort of brain damage and still don't commit crimes. I don't know

gilpdawg
06-28-2010, 10:40 AM
That's crazy since he didn't really play that long compared to the other guys' that this had been found out on. Players are so big and fast nowadays that I'm really surprised nobody has died on the field yet. I hate to say that, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. They really need to do something to decrease head shots and concussions in the game. Whether that can be done with different helmeting, I don't know. That's probably the only way without damaging the integrity of the game itself.

reds1869
06-28-2010, 11:30 AM
That's crazy since he didn't really play that long compared to the other guys' that this had been found out on. Players are so big and fast nowadays that I'm really surprised nobody has died on the field yet. I hate to say that, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. They really need to do something to decrease head shots and concussions in the game. Whether that can be done with different helmeting, I don't know. That's probably the only way without damaging the integrity of the game itself.

A more radical solution might be doing away with pads and helmets altogether. Rugby--which is the basis for American Football--is a violent sport with bone crunching collisions. Severe injuries are quite rare when compared to football as you just play differently when "protection" is removed. You are also less likely to cheaply lay someone out when you know their team will be coming for you if you do. Some rugby players wear helmets to soften the blow but they are very similar to old-school football helmets. Want to eliminate helmet to helmet hits? Eliminate the helmets. Guys won't lead with their head so often when it will result in a broken nose (and/or suspension).

bucksfan2
06-28-2010, 11:42 AM
That's crazy since he didn't really play that long compared to the other guys' that this had been found out on. Players are so big and fast nowadays that I'm really surprised nobody has died on the field yet. I hate to say that, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. They really need to do something to decrease head shots and concussions in the game. Whether that can be done with different helmeting, I don't know. That's probably the only way without damaging the integrity of the game itself.

He may have been predisposed to this condition football just accelerated it. I don't know Im not a Dr. and I didn't stay at a holiday inn last night.

When you look at it Henry played an incredible amount of football during his short life. How many high school and college games did he play? How many full pads and intense practices did he go through? How many preseason games did he play?

I fully understand what you are saying but Henry did play a lot of a very violent sport.

Chip R
06-28-2010, 11:47 AM
A more radical solution might be doing away with pads and helmets altogether. Rugby--which is the basis for American Football--is a violent sport with bone crunching collisions. Severe injuries are quite rare when compared to football as you just play differently when "protection" is removed. You are also less likely to cheaply lay someone out when you know their team will be coming for you if you do. Some rugby players wear helmets to soften the blow but they are very similar to old-school football helmets. Want to eliminate helmet to helmet hits? Eliminate the helmets. Guys won't lead with their head so often when it will result in a broken nose (and/or suspension).

That's really not a bad idea. But I don't think it will fly because, despite the injuries, fans and coaches like the sound of helmets and pads colliding. They like the way a defensive player can launch themselves at a running back or wide receiver and really stick them. They also like cool designs on the helmets. We identify teams by the logo on their helmets. I do like the idea, though and have had similar thoughts.

Unassisted
06-28-2010, 11:54 AM
It makes you wonder how common this is with ex NFL players. Perhaps this was the cause of his "demons" or perhaps most NFL players have this sort of brain damage and still don't commit crimes. I don't know
I've heard speculation that brain damage from multiple concussions could be the cause of Ben Roethlisberger's multiple scrapes with the law.

OldRightHander
06-28-2010, 01:00 PM
I've heard speculation that brain damage from multiple concussions could be the cause of Ben Roethlisberger's multiple scrapes with the law.

I think it has something to do with only having a logo on one side of his helmet and how mentally taxing it has to be for him trying to figure out which side the logo goes on when he puts on the helmet.

RedsBaron
06-28-2010, 01:15 PM
A more radical solution might be doing away with pads and helmets altogether. Rugby--which is the basis for American Football--is a violent sport with bone crunching collisions. Severe injuries are quite rare when compared to football as you just play differently when "protection" is removed. You are also less likely to cheaply lay someone out when you know their team will be coming for you if you do. Some rugby players wear helmets to soften the blow but they are very similar to old-school football helmets. Want to eliminate helmet to helmet hits? Eliminate the helmets. Guys won't lead with their head so often when it will result in a broken nose (and/or suspension).

There are limits as to the protection that helmets can provide. I was involved in the litigation of a football helmet case about a decade ago. It is scary how young athletes think they are invulnerable. I've long wondered if it wouldn't be better if the players simply wore leather helmets with no face guard.

Sea Ray
06-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Concussions in football often result from the head hitting the ground on a tackle so for that you definitely need to be wearing a helmet

LoganBuck
06-28-2010, 02:21 PM
The scary part is that Henry was never diagnosed with a concussion.

improbus
06-28-2010, 04:23 PM
I have a feeling that these types of findings are going to lead to some radical changes in football.

macro
06-29-2010, 09:39 AM
I think it has something to do with only having a logo on one side of his helmet and how mentally taxing it has to be for him trying to figure out which side the logo goes on when he puts on the helmet.

:D

Maybe they could put an "L" on one side and an "R" on the other? Nah, never mind...

dougdirt
06-29-2010, 10:01 AM
The scary part is that Henry was never diagnosed with a concussion.
A lot of concussions go undiagnosed.

Chip R
06-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Concussions in football often result from the head hitting the ground on a tackle so for that you definitely need to be wearing a helmet

Yes, but if players aren't playing with the pads and helmets they play with now, it's less likely that a player is going to be hit hard enough to receive a concussion. Of course it could still happen but it may be less likely. Also there is a school of thought that the helmets exacerbate concussions rather than mitigate them.

Roy Tucker
06-29-2010, 12:27 PM
I have a feeling that these types of findings are going to lead to some radical changes in football.

What might be emerging is that football is too brutal for humanity to stand, i.e. like on a pack of cigarettes "playing football may be dangerous to your health".

Sea Ray
06-29-2010, 04:21 PM
Yes, but if players aren't playing with the pads and helmets they play with now, it's less likely that a player is going to be hit hard enough to receive a concussion. Of course it could still happen but it may be less likely. Also there is a school of thought that the helmets exacerbate concussions rather than mitigate them.


Oh so you want to eliminate pads too?

RedsBaron
06-29-2010, 04:49 PM
Players are so big and fast nowadays that I'm really surprised nobody has died on the field yet.

Last fall's Sports Illustrated pre-season preview of the NFL issue (9/7/09) had an article interviewing several current quarterbacks, including Carson Palmer. In that article Palmer was quoted as saying he expects someone to die on the field, the game is so violent. None of the other QBs disagreed with him. That was chilling.

WMR
06-29-2010, 04:50 PM
Rugby-style American football would be fascinating to see attempted by today's professional athletes.

Chip R
06-29-2010, 05:35 PM
Oh so you want to eliminate pads too?

If you are going to eliminate those kind of helmets, you pretty much have to eliminate those kind of pads.

WMR
06-29-2010, 05:38 PM
Theoretically it would make the game even faster. There's a psychological factor to being all padded up, however, that probably increases a player's willingness to play with total reckless abandon.

Redsfaithful
06-30-2010, 05:47 AM
What might be emerging is that football is too brutal for humanity to stand, i.e. like on a pack of cigarettes "playing football may be dangerous to your health".

I'm really wondering when my boys are old enough exactly what I'm going to say if they want to play. It was one thing when it was thought the main risk was broken bones, etc., another entirely now knowing the entire latter half of your life (or more even) could be ruined by potential brain trauma.

RedsBaron
06-30-2010, 07:10 AM
I'm really wondering when my boys are old enough exactly what I'm going to say if they want to play. It was one thing when it was thought the main risk was broken bones, etc., another entirely now knowing the entire latter half of your life (or more even) could be ruined by potential brain trauma.
I was torn when my now 17 year old started playing football at age 13. Fortunately, his worst injury was a Lizfranc fracture (foot) he suffered last year, his junior year. He has now opted to not to play football in this coming season, his senior year, so he can concetrate on baseball, so I am relieved.
That said, I have always been much more nervous anytime any of my sons is driving a car, or riding in a car driven by his friends, than I ever was when Jason played football.

Sea Ray
06-30-2010, 09:13 AM
He has now opted to not to play football in this coming season, his senior year, so he can concetrate on football, so I am relieved.



:confused:

I don't get it. How does not playing football help him concentrate on football?

RedsBaron
06-30-2010, 09:20 AM
:confused:

I don't get it. How does not playing football help him concentrate on football?
Typo, since corrected. Baseball is his favorite sport, so by skipping football his senior year, and summer football workouts which are going on now, Jason has been able to play baseball in a summer league and can play baseball this fall.

westofyou
06-30-2010, 11:43 AM
105 years ago:

After the 1905 season, when 18 deaths and 149 injuries were reported nationally, there was a general crackdown on the brutality of power football.

That year Penn played Swarthmore, whose team was built around Bob Maxwell, a 250-pound lineman of speed and agility. Penn was certain it would win if Maxwell could be contained, so the Quakers concentrated all their defense on him. Maxwell played the entire game, but when he tottered off the field he was a physical wreck. A photographer took his picture, and when President Roosevelt saw it he angrily issued an ultimatum that if the roughness was not taken out of football he would ban the game by presidential edict.

Finally, after much wrangling and many preliminary sessions, a meeting was held on January 12, 1906, in New York. Out of it came what we know today as the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Football Rules Committee, the game's governing body. The key figures were Captain Palmer Pierce of Army, William Reid of Harvard, and Walter Camp. Their important decisions were the creation of a neutral zone the length of the ball between opposing lines; requiring a minimum of six men on the line of scrimmage; raising the first down yardage from 5 to 10 yards; and legalizing the forward pass, with many restrictions. Another was the banning of "mass momentum" plays (many of which, like the infamous "flying wedge", were sometimes literally deadly).

Basically, what was followed was this: The forward pass was used sparingly, but the defensive line was weakened because the possibility of a pass had to be defended against. The neutral zone reduced in-fighting, and the 6-man requirement put additional restriction on mass play; the offensive game was reduced mainly to off-tackle smashes. The ground attack, now less potent, had five additional yards to make in three downs. Teams resorted to frequent punts and field goals, which counted four points (only one less than a TD), were relied on heavily.

In 1909, the game opened up some with the reduction of the field goal value to three points and the advent of the Minnesota shift. Williams' new offense was several seasons away from the East, however, and continued vicious line play raised the death toll to 33 and injuries to 246, 73 of them considered serious.

Then came these important rules changes:

1. Seven men were required on the offensive line.
2. Pushing and pulling the ball carrier and interlocked interference was
barred.
3. Crawling was prohibited.
4. The flying tackle, made with both feet off the ground, was outlawed.

Williams was not the first coach to devise a shift, but he was first to shift both the line and the backs-sometimes twice before the ball was centered-in intricate maneuvers to outflank the defense.

Mike Donahue, a Yale quarterback, went south to Auburn, and Dan McGugin, a Michigan guard under Yost, went to Vanderbilt in 1904: the South began to rise. Penn's John Heisman went to Georgia Tech the same year, and it was he who would lead the Yellow Jackets to the first national title won by a Southern team, in 1917.

On the Pacific coast, Stanford and California dropped football in favor of English Rugby at the time of the injuries uproar. But farther north, Gil Dobie, taking over at Washington in 1908, began a nine-year unbeaten string of 61 games in which the Huskies were tied only three times.

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