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vottofan4life
12-21-2009, 11:17 AM
Says on mlbtraderumors.com that yankees are in need of a starting pitcher and the guy says they could have something done in the next 11 days.

Harang is mentioned but onlly through speculation but I think the Reds need to capitalize on this one now

Redsnake
12-21-2009, 12:53 PM
Harang for Swisher. Not to sure what Swisher is making, but if the money was pretty even then I would explore it.

vottofan4life
12-21-2009, 01:01 PM
I like that trade but i think it could be expanded..

maybe harang, dickerson, lincoln for swisher and edwar ramirez

Vottomatic
12-21-2009, 03:22 PM
Swisher would be a good addition to the bullpen. ;)

texasdave
12-21-2009, 04:19 PM
When the Yankees sign that left-handed Cuban defector who slings the ball up there at 100 MPH their search for another starting pitcher will be over and done with.

GIDP
12-21-2009, 10:14 PM
Harang has been ruled out according to a couple reports. That either means something or nothing :laugh:

GIDP
12-21-2009, 10:20 PM
Yankees are apparently close to a deal for a starting pitcher, says a source. Still working on who, but I'm told it's not a salary dump deal

http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers/status/6915912068

Take that for what ever its worth. It might not be Harang but until it isnt I wouldnt shut the door. Arroyo could be possible. Its not like Harang or Arroyo are really making a killing considering the market. Harang's contract is only harder to deal because of the option.

BLEEDS
12-22-2009, 08:56 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yankees-trading-for-Derek-Lowe-?urn=mlb,210305

PEACE

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BLEEDS
12-22-2009, 08:57 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-pitchingmarket122109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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mroby85
12-22-2009, 12:48 PM
Baseball is stupid.

BLEEDS
12-22-2009, 01:05 PM
Baseball is stupid.

Very insightful. Pitty you can't get a job paying you for such ground breaking analysis.

PEACE

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mroby85
12-22-2009, 01:13 PM
I can elaborate if you would like, I just assumed what I meant was pretty self explanatory. I think it's idiotic, and is making the game horrible that certain teams will make trades that they know aren't making them better simply because there is no salary cap, and then teams like the yankees are able to afford all of the good players. Melky Cabera for Javier Vazquez? It's ridiculous, and it just keeps getting dumber. If a team does happen to get lucky with young players blossoming at the same time, you know it's only a matter of time before the likes of teams like the Yankees and Red Sox get to pluck them away. Florida for example, Josh Beckett is in Boston, AJ Burnett is in New York. Cleveland Had CC, he's now in New York. I'm sure the same is soon to come for guys like Votto, Cueto, Volquez, etc. Another example of this is the Reds discussing the trade of Brandon Phillips. In no way does that make this team better, It's just a money dump. If only 8 teams are going to try, and be able to compete, maybe it should be an 8 team league. Hopefully that helped clarify more what I meant.

BLEEDS
12-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Thanks for elaborating.
Agree with all you said, except for Brandon Phillips.

That guy is about to be VERY VERY overpaid here shortly, and is playing one of the easiest positions to replace in all of baseball. Sure I love his glove, but not for $12M.

PEACE

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mroby85
12-22-2009, 02:16 PM
I agree that Phillips will be overpaid in a couple years for a team like the Reds. However, thats what I think the problem with baseball is. There aren't a lot of 2nd basemen that are better than him, but they're going to trade him for players that aren't as good, because other teams are willing to pay him that with no salary cap. They can't afford to keep a player like him, and fill other areas, while some teams could. I really like Phillips a lot, and don't want him to be traded, but at the same time, realize they practically have no shot at winning paying him that kind of money.

BLEEDS
12-22-2009, 02:32 PM
I agree that Phillips will be overpaid in a couple years for a team like the Reds. However, thats what I think the problem with baseball is. There aren't a lot of 2nd basemen that are better than him, but they're going to trade him for players that aren't as good, because other teams are willing to pay him that with no salary cap. They can't afford to keep a player like him, and fill other areas, while some teams could. I really like Phillips a lot, and don't want him to be traded, but at the same time, realize they practically have no shot at winning paying him that kind of money.

:thisyear:

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Kingspoint
12-23-2009, 06:52 AM
Since I don't see it here, yet, this thread is over.

Yankess picked up Jason Marquis for Melky Cabrera and two others.

Redsfan320
12-23-2009, 08:34 AM
Yankess picked up Jason Marquis for Melky Cabrera and two others.

The Yanks picked up Javier Vazquez in that trade.
Jason Marquis was signed by the Nats yesterday.
Not sure if you were misinformed or simply mistyped , just straightening things out.

320

texasdave
12-23-2009, 10:29 AM
I think the Yankees are looking at a repeat. I hope I am wrong. I hate them. Oh yeah, money doesn't matter in baseball.

BLEEDS
12-23-2009, 11:46 AM
Well they are operating within the framework, not their fault.

Until enough folks(owners) complain about it, it's not going to change.

However I think the Have-Nots are fine with their terrible teams and their profits.

Until the fans stop showing up in droves, it's not going to happen.
Unfortunately the fan bases in NY, Boston, LA and Chicago can pretty much support all of baseball by themselves. As long as those teams continue to compete, MLB will still be making money.

PEACE

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texasdave
12-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Certainly they are operating within the system. I don't blame them for doing what they do. They have the resources to buy (or at the very least compete strongly for) championships every year and so they do.

The system is still flawed. That is not an earth-shaking revelation, I know.

vottofan4life
12-23-2009, 06:29 PM
Well I had another fantasy thought today that maybe we could trade Harang, Dickerson, and Janish to Giants for Renteria and Jonathan Sanchez

Other trade possibilities:
Reds acquire Linebrink White Sox Acquire Taveras, Lincoln

Reds acquire David Dejesus Royals acquire Dorn and Lincoln

Reds sell Rosales to some Japan team.

Reds acquire Asdrubal Cabrera, Jhonny Peralta, and Jeremy Sowers///Indians acquire Yonder Alonso, Chris Valaika, Paul Janish, Matt Maloney, Willy Taveras

Reds acquire Scott Hairston///A's acquire Juan Francisco and Sean Watson

Reds sign Tejada or Felipe Lopez to play SS?

Reds acquire Maicer Izturis, Matthews Jr., Ervin Santana,////Angels acquire Arthur Rhodes, Aaron Harang, Todd Frazier, and Nick Masset

Make fun of the thoughts but oh well. Worth throwing it out there

BEETTLEBUG
12-23-2009, 09:10 PM
I like all of your trade suggestions Vottofan4life but which would you like to see happen the best and lest?

vottofan4life
12-23-2009, 10:06 PM
I think the Angels/Reds trade would be the best while the Giants/Reds trade is probably the worst since Edgar Renteria is only known for his defense like Janish and Sanchez is not proven even though he threw a no-hitter.Anibal Sanchez threw a no-hitter a few years back and you never really hear nothing from him anymore.So ya

BEETTLEBUG
12-23-2009, 10:12 PM
I liked the Sox deal then Indians,then Royals not up to trading Frazier or Massett

Vottomatic
12-23-2009, 11:35 PM
None of those trades make the Reds any better than they are now, IMHO.

Kingspoint
12-24-2009, 02:43 AM
The Yanks picked up Javier Vazquez in that trade.
Jason Marquis was signed by the Nats yesterday.
Not sure if you were misinformed or simply mistyped , just straightening things out.

320


Thanks...had a mindfart.