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Joseph
12-26-2009, 06:52 PM
The titles says it all really. It's time to clinch things and move on from this dredge of a second half of the season. Maybe the playoffs will be better.

sonny
12-26-2009, 06:54 PM
Bengals 34 - 17

I forsee an offensive explosion, maybe over 200 yards :)

HeatherC1212
12-26-2009, 07:12 PM
My theory is that they just wanted to clinch the AFC North title at home in front of their own fans and I'm sticking with that theory. I think the guys will get the job done tomorrow and I just have a few words of advice for them: Run the ball, hold onto the ball, SCORE TOUCHDOWNS. Who Dey!!! :D

Redsfan320
12-26-2009, 09:44 PM
If they don't win, it's up to the Steelers to beat Baltimore. I don't think that's gonna happen, so basically the Bengals better not screw this one up.

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BUTLER REDSFAN
12-26-2009, 11:49 PM
I fear they are in the middle of one of the biggest choke jobs you have ever seen. Bengals, please prove me wrong.

Danny Serafini
12-27-2009, 02:14 AM
Why, because they lost on the road at two of the four best teams in the league? Hardly any reason to panic. They'll smack the Chiefs and punch their playoff ticket with ease.

BearcatShane
12-27-2009, 02:45 AM
I think the Bengals win.

And as a lifelong Bengals fan, tomorrow is a special day if they do pull off the win. They clinch a playoff spot and a AFC North Division title with a win. With the way the team is run, that just might not happen very often. They have their holes, but a playoff game at home is great.

The Operator
12-27-2009, 03:37 AM
If the offense can play like they did last Sunday, they win, easily. But seeing as the offense has shown up like that approximately three times all season, I hate to get my hopes up.

I think they win. Score? I dunno.

will5979
12-27-2009, 07:05 AM
Leaving WV in a few can't wait to get there! WHO-DEY!

Eric_the_Red
12-27-2009, 08:20 AM
If they can't beat the Chiefs at home, then the Bengals don't deserve the playoffs, period.

I think they win, and win easy. LJ will be fired up, and Carson and the passing game showed a pulse last week. Plus, if Ochocinco scores he will throw a pinata filled with money into the stands.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 09:41 AM
I'm keeping my expectations in check- after the Detriot game, you never know. Is it my imagination or has this team played down to their opponent?

yab1112
12-27-2009, 10:11 AM
I think they win this easily. Let's just hope they get out with out any more key players getting injured.

Hopefully they give LJ a bunch of carries today-and I don't think it'll hurt Ced's ego. If anyone can understand LJ's desire to run over his old team, it's Ced.

WHODEY

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 11:55 AM
Peko and Crocker are both out for the Bengals. Jerome Simpson once again inactive today.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm keeping my expectations in check- after the Detriot game, you never know. Is it my imagination or has this team played down to their opponent?

I know that the Bengals didn't beat the living crap out of Detroit or anything.... but outside of two big plays to Calvin Johnson did the Lions really do anything at all in that game? I mean with 2 minutes left in the game the Bengals were up by 16 points and had the game in hand for a while.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 12:45 PM
I know that the Bengals didn't beat the living crap out of Detroit or anything.... but outside of two big plays to Calvin Johnson did the Lions really do anything at all in that game? I mean with 2 minutes left in the game the Bengals were up by 16 points and had the game in hand for a while.

Did the Bengals do anything? They play the worst defense in the league and they only put up 23 points, one offensive TD- Benson averaged 3.1 yards a carry.

That's playing to your competition.

WMR
12-27-2009, 01:07 PM
Who Dey. Take care of business today.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:12 PM
Listening on radio. Sounds like the D was solid on the Chiefs first drive.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:28 PM
So far the Bengals looked like they have left their offense in SD. Have to find some consistency before the playoffs.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Oh no. Malaluga possibly hurt. Left knee.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Looks like Rey just went down with a calf or an ankle.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Hope we at least have him back for the playoffs.

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Michael Johnson keeps getting better week by week. Nice sack there.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:35 PM
Also noticed that Benson's in, not LJ.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Rey taken off the field in the dreaded cart. Doesn't look good.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Crap.

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:39 PM
NO! Palmer just got picked.

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TC81190
12-27-2009, 01:41 PM
Just turned on the game to see Rey get carted off and Carson to throw a pick. Sweet.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:43 PM
Hey, hey. Welcome to the 3-man game thread.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:43 PM
Tried to work that deep ball into double coverage, safety made a nice play on a ball Palmer should have not thrown.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:44 PM
LJ's in now
False start for Witworth :sigh:

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:44 PM
KC is stacking the box today, lots of 8 man fronts. Bengals need to start chuckin the rock a bit more.

Joseph
12-27-2009, 01:46 PM
What an awful sequence. A horrible KC defense and we can't move the ball.

It's gonna be a long day.

Go Steelers, they might be our only hope.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:46 PM
Here comes the punt. Sad
What's even worse, punter couldn't even get it past the 38.
We're starting to seem Bengal-like.

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Pick for the Bengals! Yeahh. Ndukwe.

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dougdirt
12-27-2009, 01:49 PM
Did the Bengals do anything? They play the worst defense in the league and they only put up 23 points, one offensive TD- Benson averaged 3.1 yards a carry.

That's playing to your competition.

If being up 16 with 2 minutes left in the game is playing to the competition then I wish we would do more of that every week.

This isn't college football. 10 point wins don't come every week.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:50 PM
We're up to 4 people now.
Ced's back in.

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:50 PM
NO NO NO. Cedric possibly hurt.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Had some hope for this offense after the San Diego game... Not today, nobody is getting open and the offense is predictable. First down run, second down run, third and long.

Defense looks stout though.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 01:53 PM
Had some hope for this offense after the San Diego game... Not today, nobody is getting open and the offense is predictable. First down run, second down run, third and long.

Defense looks stout though.

I honestly feel that against some teams the Bengals go OSU and just try to pound the ball and control the clock knowing the defense can very likely win the game for them.

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:55 PM
What the heck was that! Who called that timeout, the sideline?!?

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 01:55 PM
If being up 16 with 2 minutes left in the game is playing to the competition then I wish we would do more of that every week.

This isn't college football. 10 point wins don't come every week.

If scoring one offensive TD against the league's worst defense is encouraging for you, have at it.

And uh, nice try saying "they were up by 16 with 2 minutes left." You are something else.

Football is 60 minutes, not 58.

My point is looking pretty good so far today, isn't it?

This team has problems.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:55 PM
Malaluga's will not return today.

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KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:56 PM
I honestly feel that against some teams the Bengals go OSU and just try to pound the ball and control the clock knowing the defense can very likely win the game for them.

Marvin said that earlier in the season. But now with teams crowding the line and putting 8 in the box it is time to switch some things up.

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:57 PM
God love Marvin! Keeps shooting himself in the foot.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:57 PM
Steelers leading the Ravens 13-3 with 10 min. left in the second.

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 01:58 PM
We're up to six people here.

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Joseph
12-27-2009, 01:59 PM
Hey nice to meet you, didn't you used to be a high powered offense?

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 01:59 PM
Another punt after Marvin stops the drive with a stupid time out call.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 01:59 PM
this team is going to fall backward into the playoffs. Their offense is horrible.
One and done!

K.C. has one of the worst run defenses in football, and we got nothing so far but a bunch of punts.

Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 02:00 PM
I hope the offense wakes up

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:02 PM
If scoring one offensive TD against the league's worst defense is encouraging for you, have at it.

And uh, nice try saying "they were up by 16 with 2 minutes left." You are something else.

Football is 60 minutes, not 58.

Fine... if winning by 10 every week is playing to competition then I will take it every week. That make you feel better? Was the Lions game ever in doubt in the second half? No, it wasn't. I don't see a point in complaining about that. I guess you do.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:02 PM
another penalty

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Raven's got a TD so it's now 13-10 Pitt.

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Joseph
12-27-2009, 02:05 PM
This teams gonna lose the division.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 02:08 PM
Fine... if winning by 10 every week is playing to competition then I will take it every week. That make you feel better? Was the Lions game ever in doubt in the second half? No, it wasn't. I don't see a point in complaining about that. I guess you do.

They have one offensive TD in close to 6 quarters against the Chiefs and Lions.

This team has problems....go ahead and feel good about the Detroit win, we are seeing what I'm talking about today.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:09 PM
They have one offensive TD in close to 6 quarters against the Chiefs and Lions.

This team has problems....go ahead and feel good about the Detroit win, we are seeing what I'm talking about today.

I never said they didn't have problems. I just don't get the complaining about the Lions game in which it was never close to being in question in the second half. They clearly were the best team in that game. Today isn't looking great, but that snap just helped a lot.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:10 PM
Down to the six!

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George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:10 PM
Is this a playoff team?

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:10 PM
Why is that an illegal kick? He is the kicker and he kicked it....albeit a bad kick, but a kick nonetheless

Joseph
12-27-2009, 02:11 PM
Merry Christmas Marvin Lewis. Horrible snap by the Chiefs.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:11 PM
Why is that an illegal kick? He is the kicker and he kicked it....albeit a bad kick, but a kick nonetheless

you have a good point....seriously.:thumbup:

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:13 PM
Can I have the past hour of my life back?

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:14 PM
Palmer-Ochocinco. TD! Yeah.

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Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 02:15 PM
Palmer-Ochocinco. TD! Yeah.

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What was Esteban's celebration?

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 02:15 PM
St Louis must be snapping for KC.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:15 PM
Oh no. They're checking to see if both feet were in.

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Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:16 PM
What was Esteban's celebration?

Don't know. No one said anything about one on radio.

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Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Coming back. He stepped out.

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 02:17 PM
He held up one finger and five fingers for 15.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:20 PM
This offense is smokin'

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:21 PM
They'll have to settle for a FG. Unbelievable.

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Joseph
12-27-2009, 02:21 PM
I'd like a refund.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:21 PM
Palmer looks shaky at there

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 02:22 PM
Glad I am heading to work in a few mins.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 02:23 PM
They better make some solid adjustments at halftime. We should be running crazy over KC right now. :eek:

macro
12-27-2009, 02:23 PM
The Bengals are no better than any of the 7-7 teams right now. One and done in the playoffs won't surprise me one bit. I hope an effort is made to hire a legitimate OC before next season starts.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:25 PM
Palmer looks shaky at there

I honestly think we have seen the best Palmer has to offer... This is the QB that he IS. The QB of 2006 ain't coming back.

Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 02:27 PM
I honestly think we have seen the best Palmer has to offer... This is the QB that he IS. The QB of 2006 ain't coming back.

He had 314 passing yards in his last game...

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:27 PM
The Bengals are no better than any of the 7-7 teams right now. One and done in the playoffs won't surprise me one bit. I hope an effort is made to hire a legitimate OC before next season starts.

At the same time how did we feel last week after the Chargers game? Like we can play with anyone in football. I agree with the OC needing a change, but this game doesn't make me feel any better or worse about this teams chances in the playoffs.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:28 PM
He had 314 passing yards in his last game...
Yeah, but that was against a bunch of scrubs.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:29 PM
I honestly think we have seen the best Palmer has to offer... This is the QB that he IS. The QB of 2006 ain't coming back.

He has been a disappointment this year no doubt. I wanted to believe that it was because we were more of a running team now, but I am not so sure. Definitely a decline in his decision making this season.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:29 PM
FG for Pittsburgh. 20-10 Pitt. with 25 seconds left in the half.

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cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:30 PM
Lets keep things in perspective.

It's been a very trying year. Injuries. Deaths. You name it, it's happened.

And this team, RUN BY MIKE BROWN, is still going to the playoffs.

One and done or not. Close wins or not. I'm proud of this team, and I'm not going to start complaining about them now after being spoiled with great moments all season .

Good job boys :thumbup:.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:32 PM
Lets keep thing in perspective.

It's been a very trying year. Injuries. Deaths. You name it, it's happened.

And this team, RUN BY MIKE BROWN, is still going to the playoffs.

One and done or not. Close wins or not. I'm proud of this team, and I'm not going to start complaining about them now after being spoiled with great moments all season .

Good job boys :thumbup:.

Making the playoffs is what its all about. Anything can happen from there....:thumbup:

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 02:32 PM
At the same time how did we feel last week after the Chargers game? Like we can play with anyone in football. I agree with the OC needing a change, but this game doesn't make me feel any better or worse about this teams chances in the playoffs.

How did you feel going into the Chargers game?

You are taking one game where the offense was good, threw out the previous stretch where it has been atrocious.

This team has no chance of going anywhere.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:32 PM
How did you feel going into the Chargers game?

You are taking one game where the offense was good, threw out the previous stretch where it has been atrocious.

This team has no chance of going anywhere.

31 teams out of 32 have no chance of going anywhere. I hear your frustrations. It's frustrating for me too. Regardless, it's been a successful season, no?

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:34 PM
How did you feel going into the Chargers game?

You are taking one game where the offense was good, threw out the previous stretch where it has been atrocious.

This team has no chance of going anywhere.

I felt that the Chargers were the only team in the AFC I should truly be worried about. Right now, I feel we can beat anyone in the AFC (the Saints still scare me).

As for the offense being atrocious.... I won't go that far. Its certainly not good, but its not atrocious either. But that is only part of the game. It ignores the fact that we have one of the best defenses in football so the offense doesn't have to drop 30 to win a game.

CTA513
12-27-2009, 02:34 PM
That 1st half should show everyone why people don't believe in the Bengals.

macro
12-27-2009, 02:36 PM
At the same time how did we feel last week after the Chargers game? Like we can play with anyone in football. I agree with the OC needing a change, but this game doesn't make me feel any better or worse about this teams chances in the playoffs.

Dom has already said this, but it was the SD game that was the anomaly. This team has played horribly since they went 7-2. I will be shocked if they get it together this season.

As for Carson, he was calling his own plays in the no-huddle in '05. Now I get the impression that it's all being done by Brat.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:37 PM
He had 314 passing yards in his last game...

He was a REAL MVP canidate in 06...he is an average NFL QB now... Is it the knee injury? Is it the O line? Is it a lack of receivers running good routs? I'd say a combination of all three.

The fact remains that you can point to the exact moment where Palmer went from an elite QB in the league, to a second tier QB.....The Steelers playoff game.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 02:37 PM
The Bengals went to the funeral for a teammate this week, had Christmas interrupt their planning and practicing for this game, and no one is giving KC much of a chance which is making them go all out and battle for the win. I'm not worried about a rough first half for this team after what has to be two very trying weeks for them as a team. If they don't make some adjustments at half time and are still floundering a bit on offense, then I'll start getting concerned about them but right now, I'm just going to hang tight and keep believing in them.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:38 PM
I felt that the Chargers were the only team in the AFC I should truly be worried about. Right now, I feel we can beat anyone in the AFC (the Saints still scare me).

As for the offense being atrocious.... I won't go that far. Its certainly not good, but its not atrocious either. But that is only part of the game. It ignores the fact that we have one of the best defenses in football so the offense doesn't have to drop 30 to win a game.

Agreed.

If we play Indy in the 2nd round, I LOVE our chances. I don't think we can beat San Diego though. I know we battled with them and probably should have beat them, but I think if we played again, they'd handle us again. They are a very good, and very DEEP, team.

Playadlc
12-27-2009, 02:40 PM
I kinda saw this coming. The Chiefs got embarrassed last week defensively against the Browns and had their manhood challenged. It's no surprise that they came in today with a chip on their shoulder, and they have played well.

We have to get the running game established in the 2nd half.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 02:41 PM
Agreed.

If we play Indy in the 2nd round, I LOVE our chances. I don't think we can beat San Diego though. I know we battled with them and probably should have beat them, but I think if we played again, they'd handle us again. They are a very good, and very DEEP, team.

You are nuts. The Colts have won 20 plus games in a row and the team to beat them is....the Bengals????

They have scored one TD against the Chiefs and Lions combined.

Homers are something.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 02:42 PM
Agreed.

If we play Indy in the 2nd round, I LOVE our chances. I don't think we can beat San Diego though. I know we battled with them and probably should have beat them, but I think if we played again, they'd handle us again. They are a very good, and very DEEP, team.

I don't think we would beat San Diego, but I think we have a chance to that is better than 'lightning in a bottle' type odds. I don't think we could beat Indy. But I think there is a solid chance we could. Teams that worry me are teams with good receiving running backs because Dhani Jones can't cover them.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 02:44 PM
Urban Meyer to return.... wow....make up your mind. Billy Donovan did the same thing down there.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:44 PM
You are nuts. The Colts have won 20 plus games in a row and the team to beat them is....the Bengals????

They have scored one TD against the Chiefs and Lions combined.

Homers are something.

I'm not being a homer. I don't care if the Colts are 14-0. If you'd watch them a little closer, you'd see that they can't run the ball, and their defense is average at best.

I don't appreciate you "challenging" me. I don't mind having discussions, and I've never had a problem with you in the past. But please don't resort to name calling such as "homers," because that's not the case, I can assure you.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:46 PM
Just FYI here are the games airing in the Cincy area this weekend:

4PM today- St. Louis Rams @ Arizona Cardinals- FOX
- New York Jets @ Indianapolis Colts (playing for perfection)- CBS
8:15 tonight- Dallas Cowboys @ Washington Redskins- NBC
8:30 tomorrow night- Minnesota Vikings @ Chicago Bears- ESPN

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cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:48 PM
I don't think we would beat San Diego, but I think we have a chance to that is better than 'lightning in a bottle' type odds. I don't think we could beat Indy. But I think there is a solid chance we could. Teams that worry me are teams with good receiving running backs because Dhani Jones can't cover them.

Oh I don't think we'd beat the Colts for sure, I'm just saying I'd like our chances. Sure, they pass the ball well, but it's an inexperienced receiver corps. And if you punch the Colts in the mouth, which we specialize at, you can hold them in check. I don't see them scoring any more than 28 points on us, and there's no reason our offense can't put that up on the board in one given game. Probably not likely, but definitely possible.

Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 02:48 PM
Really need this win I hope we see a more focused Bengals team in the second half

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:48 PM
25+ yards for Benson!

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MWM
12-27-2009, 02:50 PM
Two words: Bob Bratkowski.

In general, you can't separate a QBs performance over a period of time from the O-coordinator.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Wow Giants getting crushed. Kiss that three teamer goodbye.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Two words: Bob Bratkowski.

In general, you can't separate a QBs performance over a period of time from the O-coordinator.

Couldn't agree more.

There is nothing wrong with being a ball control offense. But the predictability of this team is absurd, and it kills them.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:54 PM
Coles!!!

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:55 PM
TD! 10-3
Ironically, the Ravens also just scored a TD, so it's now 20-17 Pitt.

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HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 02:56 PM
:jump:

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 02:57 PM
Malaluga has a fractured left anke. Not good.

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Deepred05
12-27-2009, 02:59 PM
Malaluga has a fractured left anke. Not good.

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Damn, it didnt look that serious when it happened.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Malaluga has a fractured left anke. Not good.

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Oh man, that sucks. :(

The Operator
12-27-2009, 03:04 PM
I thought this team could beat anyone after the Pittsburgh game.

I don't quite have that same feeling anymore.

redsfandan
12-27-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm gonna love this defense next year with everyone healthy.

I hope I can say the same about the offense.

redsfandan
12-27-2009, 03:07 PM
Baltimore just tied their game midway through the 3rd.

Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 03:13 PM
Baltimore just tied their game midway through the 3rd.

Hopefully no one will score any more and the game ends in a tie

Redhook
12-27-2009, 03:14 PM
Two words: Bob Bratkowski.

In general, you can't separate a QBs performance over a period of time from the O-coordinator.

Exactly.

The problems with the offense falls squarely on Bob Bratkowski. It all starts with him. He is bad beyond comprehension. Carson has been less than average, but there's no way any QB could get any type of rhythm with this piss-poor conservative play-calling.

I really hope he gets canned after this season. IMO, the offense would be better if Carson called every play in the huddle or they just ran the no-huddle. It certainly couldn't be worse.

Caveat Emperor
12-27-2009, 03:20 PM
Why do the Bengals, year after year, always play down to the level of their competition?

Joseph
12-27-2009, 03:20 PM
I thought this team could beat anyone after the Pittsburgh game.

I don't quite have that same feeling anymore.

I'm not sure they can beat ANYONE anymore.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 03:31 PM
Any good Tight ends in the draft this year? I am so tired of watching our te drop passes this season.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 03:44 PM
Amazing things happen when we actually DON'T run the ball up the middle on first down.

dougdirt
12-27-2009, 03:48 PM
Any good Tight ends in the draft this year? I am so tired of watching our te drop passes this season.

Chase Coffman can catch the ball. He just needs to figure out the rest of the game. Really though, we are starting the guy who was what, 4th string at TE coming into camp right?

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 03:51 PM
TD- Ochocinco. 17-10

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HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 03:52 PM
TD Chad! :D

Time for the defense to kick some behind for two minutes. WHO DEY! :D

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 03:53 PM
Chase Coffman can catch the ball. He just needs to figure out the rest of the game. Really though, we are starting the guy who was what, 4th string at TE coming into camp right?

I was just about to ask that same thing. We lost the one guy to the concussion (the one we got from Indy who I'm drawing a blank on for his name) and Kelly injured his achilles during preseason (I think?) so we're on like the third and fourth string TEs now. I hope Coffman can figure things out soon because I think he can really help out the offense. :eek:

George Foster
12-27-2009, 03:54 PM
TD Chad! :D

Time for the defense to kick some behind for two minutes. WHO DEY! :D

It was lot better catch than throw...GREAT CATCH!

Here comes the Chiefs....

George Foster
12-27-2009, 03:56 PM
I was just about to ask that same thing. We lost the one guy to the concussion (the one we got from Indy who I'm drawing a blank on for his name) and Kelly injured his achilles during preseason (I think?) so we're on like the third and fourth string TEs now. I hope Coffman can figure things out soon because I think he can really help out the offense. :eek:

We need a starting WR in the draft. Do we get any special consideration since Henry was killed? an extra pick? I don't know.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 03:57 PM
ball game...division champs. I'll take it.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 03:59 PM
INTERCEPTION!- We're goin to the playoffs!!!
1 minute left

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HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 03:59 PM
It's kind of fitting that Hall makes the interception to end the game after not making the play last week that could have sent the game into overtime. Let's get it done officially now! WHO DEY!!!!!!!! :jump:

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 03:59 PM
.55 left

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George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:00 PM
we need to TRY and get a 1st down...we are going to have to punt....remember the 1st game of the season?

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:01 PM
go for it!

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 04:02 PM
In other news, Pittsburgh has a three point lead on the Ravens now with about three minutes left in their game.

I can't watch......

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 04:03 PM
"YES!YES!YES!YES!HISTORY!"

-WhiteSox TV broadcater after Buerle's perfect game

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Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:03 PM
I hope we dont get Baltimore or Pittsburgh in the first round of the playoffs. I t is hard to beat a team three times in one season.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:03 PM
wow...we won it the way the Bengals win games....down to the last play.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 04:03 PM
GAME OVER!!! It wasn't pretty but I'll take it after all the stuff the Bengals have had to deal with the last two weeks. WHO DEY!! :jump:

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 04:04 PM
We're in!
CELEBRATE!

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George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:05 PM
I hope we dont get Baltimore or Pittsburgh in the first round of the playoffs. I t is hard to beat a team three times in one season.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Pittsburgh beats Baltimore, they both have 8 losses, and neither one will make the playoffs...right?

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:07 PM
I think they are both still alive.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 04:07 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Pittsburgh beats Baltimore, they both have 8 losses, and neither one will make the playoffs...right?

Baltimore is currently 8-6.

And even if Pitt beats them, they still hold the tiebreaker as far as I know, so Pitt still needs a bit of help to get in even if they pull it out.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:08 PM
I think the winner of Miami/ Houston will be the Bengals opponent. Too close to call at this point..

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:11 PM
I think they are both still alive.

technically...but the best they can be is 8-8, so the odds are it opens up the door to a lot of other teams....its a mess.

I don't want to play the Steelers in the first round.

If both the Bengals and New England finish 11-5, who would be the lower seed?

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 04:12 PM
The AFC wildcard is so messed up right now that it's probably going to come down to the last week of games next weekend. There's just too many teams who all have similar records. Both teams have a lot of players banged up right now so their game today sounds like it was pretty crazy all the way through.

BTW-The Ravens fans at the O's board are so fed up with their team right now that some of them don't even want to make the playoffs anymore, LOL :laugh:


If both the Bengals and New England finish 11-5, who would be the lower seed?


Everything I've read says that the Bengals would be the fourth seed due to strength of schedule.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:15 PM
technically...but the best they can be is 8-8, so the odds are it opens up the door to a lot of other teams....its a mess.

I don't want to play the Steelers in the first round.

If both the Bengals and New England finish 11-5, who would be the lower seed?

Theyre are four teams that could finish 9-7. Texans,Steelers,Ravens, Jets.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:17 PM
Everything I've read says that the Bengals would be the fourth seed due to strength of schedule.

Really? I think the Bengals have had the stronger schedule. Chargers on the road, Packers on the road, Vikings on the road, Broncos at home.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 04:18 PM
Theyre are four teams that could finish 9-7. Texans,Steelers,Ravens, Jets.

Don't forget Denver, who would be 8-7 with a loss to Philly today.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Really? I think the Bengals have had the stronger schedule. Chargers on the road, Packers on the road, Vikings on the road, Broncos at home.

The Pats would be the third seed if they won out. I assumed it would be Cincy also, but unfortunately that's not the case.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Theyre are four teams that could finish 9-7. Texans,Steelers,Ravens, Jets.

your right, I thought the Steelers were 7-8 going into this week and I thought the Ravens were 8-7 going into this week.

Who do they both play next week?

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:21 PM
Don't forget Denver, who would be 8-7 with a loss to Philly today.

I want another shot at Denver and the Texans... I'm not afraid of either of those teams.

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:22 PM
Don't forget Denver, who would be 8-7 with a loss to Philly today.

Ah yes Denver. Wouldn't that be sweet to exact some revenge on those guys?

traderumor
12-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Of the teams in serious contention for the WC, give me the Broncos.

As for Leon Hall, that was a beautiful pick. He took one look at the receiver, recognized the route, turned and played wide receiver. I kept on saying "get greedy, get greedy" and Cassell did. He was moving in chunks but got greedy.

reds1869
12-27-2009, 04:24 PM
Really? I think the Bengals have had the stronger schedule. Chargers on the road, Packers on the road, Vikings on the road, Broncos at home.

Strength of schedule is solely determined by the combined record of the teams you have played. That is what kills the Bengals in a tiebreaker.

It feels good to be division champs. Who Dey!

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:24 PM
The patriots play the Texans in Texas. It's a must win for the Texans....it should be a good game.

redsfandan
12-27-2009, 04:25 PM
your right, I thought the Steelers were 7-8 going into this week and I thought the Ravens were 8-7 going into this week.

Who do they both play next week?

Week 17
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George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Of the teams in serious contention for the WC, give me the Broncos.

As for Leon Hall, that was a beautiful pick. He took one look at the receiver, recognized the route, turned and played wide receiver. I kept on saying "get greedy, get greedy" and Cassell did. He was moving in chunks but got greedy.

Hall had a Horrible game against the Chargers with Rivers throwing to his side of the field every big down. Hall made up for it today.

macro
12-27-2009, 04:28 PM
Everything I've read says that the Bengals would be the fourth seed due to strength of schedule.

Actually, it's strength of victory, which is different. NE is the #3 seed if the two teams tie. It really doesn't make any difference as far as the first game is concerned, because they're going to play a 9-7 team anyway.

And the Stealers are very much alive. :thumbdown My excitement for the Bengals getting in is tempered by the fact that Pittsburgh is going to be right there with them, after being written off for dead. Now a Bengals fan's worst nightmare is 1) having them come back to PBS and beat the Bengals in the playoffs or 2) having them play someone else and win while the Bengals lay an egg at home. It would be a very bitter end to the season, either way.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:32 PM
Week 17
SUN, JAN 3 TIME (ET) TV RESOURCES LOCATION
Indianapolis at Buffalo 1:00 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Ralph Wilson Stadium
Jacksonville at Cleveland 1:00 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Cleveland Browns Stadium
Philadelphia at Dallas 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Cowboys Stadium
Chicago at Detroit 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Ford Field
Atlanta at Tampa Bay 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Raymond James Stadium
New Orleans at Carolina 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Bank of America Stadium
New England at Houston 1:00 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Reliant Stadium
San Francisco at St. Louis 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Edward Jones Dome
Pittsburgh at Miami 1:00 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Land Shark Stadium
NY Giants at Minnesota 1:00 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Metrodome
Cincinnati at NY Jets 1:00 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Giants Stadium
Green Bay at Arizona 4:15 PM FOX Tickets | Travel U of Phoenix Stadium
Washington at San Diego 4:15 PM FOX Tickets | Travel Qualcomm Stadium
Tennessee at Seattle 4:15 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Qwest Field
Baltimore at Oakland 4:15 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
Kansas City at Denver 4:15 PM CBS Tickets | Travel Invesco Field at Mile High

Pittsburgh has won 2 in a row, can they win in Miami? I hope not. It's sweeter to be in the playoffs without the Steelers.

Baltimore at Oakland is a toss up.

The jets will lose to the colts, so they are out of it, and that is good for the Bengals next week.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 04:35 PM
I'm a Texan fan next week against New England...

Let the patriots play the Steelers in the 1st round.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 04:43 PM
This whole playoff scenerio is making me dizzy. Why did so many teams have to end up with the same daggone record?! My head hurts all ready and we still have one week to go in the regular season, LOL :laugh:

Thanks for clarification on the strength of schedule/victory thing. When I read about it, they described it as the SOS but it makes more sense if it relates to the records of the other teams. Does it also take into account how those other teams did in their own division? I guess they would only look at that for the tiebreakers though (which also confuse me a great deal). :eek:

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 04:47 PM
Well the Bengals front office is pretty sure there will two playoff games in Cincy. You have to buy a two game package.

macro
12-27-2009, 04:50 PM
This whole playoff scenerio is making me dizzy. Why did so many teams have to end up with the same daggone record?! My head hurts all ready and we still have one week to go in the regular season, LOL :laugh:

Thanks for clarification on the strength of schedule/victory thing. When I read about it, they described it as the SOS but it makes more sense if it relates to the records of the other teams. Does it also take into account how those other teams did in their own division? I guess they would only look at that for the tiebreakers though (which also confuse me a great deal). :eek:

Strength of victory is the W-L record of the teams you have beaten. The W-L records of teams you have lost to do not figure in. SOS is the next tiebreaker after that.

macro
12-27-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm a Texan fan next week against New England...

Let the patriots play the Steelers in the 1st round.

A Texans win hurts Pittsburgh, so that's good, but it doesn't eliminate them. So, it's possible that the Bengals could move up to the #3 seed with a win and Texans win over NE, and then the Bengals have to face the Stealers in a 3 vs 6 matchup. So like I said, I don't care if they're a #3 or a #4, just as long as it's not Pittsburgh coming to PBS in two weeks.

macro
12-27-2009, 04:55 PM
Well the Bengals front office is pretty sure there will two playoff games in Cincy. You have to buy a two game package.

I think that's just standard procedure. The maximum number of playoff games that could be played at PBS is two.

guttle11
12-27-2009, 05:04 PM
As far as I know Pittsburgh needs help even if they win next week. I think Houston and Baltimore have the tiebreaker over them. Denver has a game on them too, although good chance the Broncos lose today.

George Foster
12-27-2009, 05:05 PM
A Texans win hurts Pittsburgh, so that's good, but it doesn't eliminate them. So, it's possible that the Bengals could move up to the #3 seed with a win and Texans win over NE, and then the Bengals have to face the Stealers in a 3 vs 6 matchup. So like I said, I don't care if they're a #3 or a #4, just as long as it's not Pittsburgh coming to PBS in two weeks.

will Polamalu be healthy for the playoffs? They are a lot better team with him on the field.

Degenerate39
12-27-2009, 05:05 PM
If the Broncos win today and their next game and the Texans win next week those will be the two wild card teams won't they?

hebroncougar
12-27-2009, 05:07 PM
A Texans win hurts Pittsburgh, so that's good, but it doesn't eliminate them. So, it's possible that the Bengals could move up to the #3 seed with a win and Texans win over NE, and then the Bengals have to face the Stealers in a 3 vs 6 matchup. So like I said, I don't care if they're a #3 or a #4, just as long as it's not Pittsburgh coming to PBS in two weeks.

I do, I'd like to smack them around for a third time.

blumj
12-27-2009, 05:10 PM
This whole playoff scenerio is making me dizzy. Why did so many teams have to end up with the same daggone record?! My head hurts all ready and we still have one week to go in the regular season, LOL :laugh:

Thanks for clarification on the strength of schedule/victory thing. When I read about it, they described it as the SOS but it makes more sense if it relates to the records of the other teams. Does it also take into account how those other teams did in their own division? I guess they would only look at that for the tiebreakers though (which also confuse me a great deal). :eek:
Do what I do: don't even try to think about it until it's all been decided and someone else tells you exactly who's playing who.

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 05:11 PM
Do what I do: don't even try to think about it until it's all been decided and someone else tells you exactly who's playing who.

I like that idea. I'm going with it. The Bengals finally got in today...that's all that mattered to me at this point and anything else is too much thinking for a Sunday afternoon, LOL :p:

guttle11
12-27-2009, 05:28 PM
If the Broncos win today and their next game and the Texans win next week those will be the two wild card teams won't they?

I don't think it's that simple, because Baltimore has a better conference record than Houston, and I think that's the #2 tiebreaker after head to head.

KoryMac5
12-27-2009, 05:29 PM
Stuck at work on a Sunday, but was able to watch the first half before I left. Was dreading reading this thread but it is nice to see that the Bengals clinched the division. Palmer looked effecient with the two TD's and a nice drive at the end. However he still is only able to find the underneath receiver which is a big concern. Sucks to here about Rey, but I really like how Brandon Johnson plays. Hopefully Marvin will decide to rest Peko and Crocker another week against the Jets.

Redhook
12-27-2009, 06:07 PM
will Polamalu be healthy for the playoffs? They are a lot better team with him on the field.

Fractured ankle. Maybe we'll get to see him in the playoffs next year/season. He's gotta be done this year/season.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 06:09 PM
Looking back, that 98 yard drive was something that good football teams do to win games. 3rd and 7 on your own 5 and you get a nice 9 yard safe shovel pass deep in your own territory.

I am fine with criticizing the O, the first half was atrocious. But the two TD drives in the second half should indicate that the O has the capability.

I also do not think it is fair to look at a good performance against SD by the O and call it an anomaly. Its called a game plan, and the O was opened up because they knew they would have to score points to win. This week, the O played awful in the first half, but just like playing Cleveland after a track meet in Detroit was a low scoring game, the Bengals played to their strength, ball possession and good D. It isn't pretty, but here they are 10-5 and have been in every game but one all year.

I'd say Minnesota was the anomaly game this year.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Fractured ankle. Maybe we'll get to see him in the playoffs next year/season. He's gotta be done this year/season.

While this hurts our depth, I'm as fine with Brandon Roberts in there as Rivers or Ray Ray. In fact, Malaluaga has been showing signs of fatigue over recent weeks. Other than depth, I'm not sure that it will hurt the D overall. Roberts just continues to show up being in position play after play. Getting back Peko and Crocker will take some of the heat off losing Ray.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm not being a homer. I don't care if the Colts are 14-0. If you'd watch them a little closer, you'd see that they can't run the ball, and their defense is average at best.

I don't appreciate you "challenging" me. I don't mind having discussions, and I've never had a problem with you in the past. But please don't resort to name calling such as "homers," because that's not the case, I can assure you.

I wasn't challenging you- it's just the fact that you have a team on the biggest winning streak in NFL history and you think that a team who struggled to put away both KAnsas City and Detroit could beat them.

That is from space. That is unfounded baloney. The Colts would roll the Bengals. Roll.

It takes more than 17 points to beat the Colts. Your quarterback has to throw for more than 150 yards. You can't average 3.1 yards per carry like they did against the Lions.

You see people talking as they did in the Chargers thread about not having a franchise that can win big games, and here we have people here saying they could pull out the biggest win of their lives.

And the funny thing is, the Bengals would have to win the first round game for them to even face the Colts, and whether it is Pittsburgh or Baltimore, the Bengals are toast if they keep playing the way they do. Anyone here saying, "Bring on the Ravens/Steelers!"?????

What on earth from the past 5 or 6 weeks from watching this team slide backwards into the playoffs makes you think they could beat a team like the Colts?

This isn't a personal attack, but sorry I can't help from laughing when you suggest a team that can barely beat the Chiefs matches up well with the Colts.

If you watch real closely, the Colts are undefeated and haven't lost since mid season last year.

The Bengals are about a 4th-6th playoff team right now. That's not good enough to beat the Colts.

Redhook
12-27-2009, 06:31 PM
Looking back, that 98 yard drive was something that good football teams do to win games. 3rd and 7 on your own 5 and you get a nice 9 yard safe shovel pass deep in your own territory.


That was a very clutch drive.


I am fine with criticizing the O, the first half was atrocious. But the two TD drives in the second half should indicate that the O has the capability.

I think they have a ton of capability. It shows when they must score or are in the last 2 minutes of a half. This proves to me that they need to throw first, then run. And they need to have more no huddle drives.


I also do not think it is fair to look at a good performance against SD by the O and call it an anomaly. Its called a game plan, and the O was opened up because they knew they would have to score points to win.

Great game plan against SD. And I thought they had a great game plan against the Steelers when they won 18-12. And of course, against Chicago. The rest of the game plans = garbage. And it's not necessarily the original game plans, it's the fact that big Bob B. doesn't adjust to the current game in time. He's so slow and predictable.


It isn't pretty, but here they are 10-5 and have been in every game but one all year.


It certainly isn't pretty, but I'm happier than a pig in you-know-what that they're going to the playoffs. I just believe this team could be much, much better if they opened up the offense a bit. They're too talented to be this pathetic. And I blame that on Bob Bratkowski. I really think he's completely inept.

Redhook
12-27-2009, 06:33 PM
While this hurts our depth, I'm as fine with Brandon Roberts in there as Rivers or Ray Ray. In fact, Malaluaga has been showing signs of fatigue over recent weeks. Other than depth, I'm not sure that it will hurt the D overall. Roberts just continues to show up being in position play after play. Getting back Peko and Crocker will take some of the heat off losing Ray.

Getting Peko and Crocker will be huge. Nelson is lost out there. Losing Ray will hurt, but you're right, Roberts is solid.

Redsfaithful
12-27-2009, 06:36 PM
This team has no chance of going anywhere.

Going to the playoffs. Lot of teams would trade places with the Bengals today.

Redhook
12-27-2009, 06:36 PM
Anyone here saying, "Bring on the Ravens/Steelers!"?????


Not me. I'm scared to death to face either of them in a "nightmare" playoff matchup.

I'm looking at every scenario and rooting as hard as I can for it to work out that the Bengals will somehow host Denver, Tennessee, or anyone else not named Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 06:37 PM
I wasn't challenging you- it's just the fact that you have a team on the biggest winning streak in NFL history and you think that a team who struggled to put away both KAnsas City and Detroit could beat them.

That is from space. That is unfounded baloney. The Colts would roll the Bengals. Roll.

It takes more than 17 points to beat the Colts. Your quarterback has to throw for more than 150 yards. You can't average 3.1 yards per carry like they did against the Lions.

You see people talking as they did in the Chargers thread about not having a franchise that can win big games, and here we have people here saying they could pull out the biggest win of their lives.

And the funny thing is, the Bengals would have to win the first round game for them to even face the Colts, and whether it is Pittsburgh or Baltimore, the Bengals are toast if they keep playing the way they do. Anyone here saying, "Bring on the Ravens/Steelers!"?????

What on earth from the past 5 or 6 weeks from watching this team slide backwards into the playoffs makes you think they could beat a team like the Colts?

This isn't a personal attack, but sorry I can't help from laughing when you suggest a team that can barely beat the Chiefs matches up well with the Colts.

If you watch real closely, the Colts are undefeated and haven't lost since mid season last year.

I would certainly take the Colts if I was to place a bet where all I had to was predict who won. However, you have greatly overstated the Colts "greatness." They have won several games this year in similar fashion to the Bengals, low scoring, last drive games. They won the Bellechick Blink game on a fluke. Your post was accurate to this extent--"The Colts are undefeated."

I would predict a Bengals vs. Colts game to look similar to the Bengals vs. Chargers.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 06:38 PM
I wasn't challenging you- it's just the fact that you have a team on the biggest winning streak in NFL history and you think that a team who struggled to put away both KAnsas City and Detroit could beat them.

That is from space. That is unfounded baloney. The Colts would roll the Bengals. Roll.

It takes more than 17 points to beat the Colts. Your quarterback has to throw for more than 150 yards. You can't average 3.1 yards per carry like they did against the Lions.

You see people talking as they did in the Chargers thread about not having a franchise that can win big games, and here we have people here saying they could pull out the biggest win of their lives.

And the funny thing is, the Bengals would have to win the first round game for them to even face the Colts, and whether it is Pittsburgh or Baltimore, the Bengals are toast if they keep playing the way they do. Anyone here saying, "Bring on the Ravens/Steelers!"?????

What on earth from the past 5 or 6 weeks from watching this team slide backwards into the playoffs makes you think they could beat a team like the Colts?

This isn't a personal attack, but sorry I can't help from laughing when you suggest a team that can barely beat the Chiefs matches up well with the Colts.

If you watch real closely, the Colts are undefeated and haven't lost since mid season last year.

The Bengals are about a 4th-6th playoff team right now. That's not good enough to beat the Colts.

The Bucs beat the Saints :thumbup:. It's the NFL. Happens all the time.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 06:38 PM
Getting Peko and Crocker will be huge. Nelson is lost out there. Losing Ray will hurt, but you're right, Roberts is solid.Nelson is doing ok. He's not as good as Crocker though, as a backup usually won't. Crocker probably delivers the hit that Nelson couldn't on that TD catch, for example.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 06:41 PM
I would certainly take the Colts if I was to place a bet where all I had to was predict who won. However, you have greatly overstated the Colts "greatness." They have won several games this year in similar fashion to the Bengals, low scoring, last drive games. They won the Bellechick Blink game on a fluke. Your post was accurate to this extent--"The Colts are undefeated."

I would predict a Bengals vs. Colts game to look similar to the Bengals vs. Chargers.

What in the Bengals history would make you think they could win a playoff game, on the road, against the Colts?

traderumor
12-27-2009, 06:44 PM
What in the Bengals history would make you think they could win a playoff game, on the road, against the Colts?

I don't worry about that kind of stuff. Franchise history has no bearing on a game in a season. None. Seriously, what does even the 2005 team have to do with this one? One won with world class offense and a subpar D, and this one is winning with a world class D and subpar O. Also, Boomer losing to Bo in Oakland means what to Palmer vs. Peyton?

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 06:46 PM
I don't worry about that kind of stuff. Franchise history has no bearing on a game in a season. None. Seriously, what does even the 2005 team have to do with this one? One won with world class offense and a subpar D, and this one is winning with a world class D and subpar O. Also, Boomer losing to Bo in Oakland means what?

The history this year, TR.

They barely beat the Lions and Chiefs.

Now all of a sudden, they "match up well" with the Colts.

You guys are smoking some homegrown.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 06:54 PM
The Bucs beat the Saints :thumbup:. It's the NFL. Happens all the time.

Oh, so a few hours ago you were rubbing your hands together with delight at playing the Colts, now we're at "Anything can happen." :)

When I look at all the teams in the playoffs from both conferences, the Bengals are the worst.

Anyone here think they could beat the Patriots? The Eagles? I'll bet they couldn't beat the Cardinals.

And Redsfaithful, sure, there are teams who would love to be in the playoffs, but to take that and go to "They could beat the Colts" is a pretty big leap.

macro
12-27-2009, 07:05 PM
I also do not think it is fair to look at a good performance against SD by the O and call it an anomaly...I'd say Minnesota was the anomaly game this year.

If we're speaking solely about the offense, they've scored 17 or fewer points in 8 of the past 11 games, and some of those were scored by the defense. So I would still contend that any game in which they score more than 20 points is one of the members of the set that is different. They looked pretty good (at times) during that game and have looked horrible most other games.

The offense for 2009 is all that it is going to be, and that's not very good. They have proven that week in and week out, and against some pretty weak competition at times, at that. I hold out no hope for anything better until they replace the OC, improve the line, and get a receiver that can take the pressure off Chad and catch a deep ball.

All that being said, I'm happy for the 10-5 record and commend them for doing as well as they have, given all the injuries and tragedies they've dealt with. The next step in the evolution of the franchise, however, is to reach a point where 11-5/10-6 is a season of disappointment rather than celebration, and 13-3 is expected.

guttle11
12-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Calm down a bit, Dom. Would the Bengals be likely to win at Indy? Of course not. But they're certainly capable of doing it. It's the NFL, not Georgia Southern at Florida. Frankly, I like their chances of winning in Indy better than in San Diego.

And it looks like they may end up playing the Jets in round 1, thanks in part to Indy. I can't see the Bengals playing many of the starters more than a half at most, and the Jets will be going all out. It could be a blowout, but it won't matter. The Bengals will then turn around and beat the Jets at home the next week. The Jets are only going to the playoffs by luck of the draw in scheduling. They're probably the worst of all the AFC wildcard contenders. Whatever keeps Pittsburgh out of Cincy in two weeks. Beating them twice in a season is already more than the football gods should have given them. Karma would not be so nice in a third matchup.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 07:19 PM
Calm down a bit, Dom. Would the Bengals be likely to win at Indy? Of course not. But they're certainly capable of doing it. It's the NFL, not Georgia Southern at Florida. Frankly, I like their chances of winning in Indy better than in San Diego.

And it looks like they may end up playing the Jets in round 1, thanks in part to Indy. I can't see the Bengals playing many of the starters more than a half at most, and the Jets will be going all out. It could be a blowout, but it won't matter. The Bengals will then turn around and beat the Jets at home the next week. The Jets are only going to the playoffs by luck of the draw in scheduling. They're probably the worst of all the AFC wildcard contenders.

You haven't ever seen me riled up. ;)

I like their chances against the Jets- not next week, but the week after.

I do not like their chances against pretty much anyone else.

cincrazy
12-27-2009, 07:21 PM
Oh, so a few hours ago you were rubbing your hands together with delight at playing the Colts, now we're at "Anything can happen." :)

When I look at all the teams in the playoffs from both conferences, the Bengals are the worst.

Anyone here think they could beat the Patriots? The Eagles? I'll bet they couldn't beat the Cardinals.

And Redsfaithful, sure, there are teams who would love to be in the playoffs, but to take that and go to "They could beat the Colts" is a pretty big leap.

In general, I agree with you. I've been saying around here for a while now that the offense isn't nearly good enough to do any damage in the postseason. That's clear to me, I'm not trying to state otherwise.

And the penalties and turnovers surely don't help. However, I still believe, that for ONE game, this team can beat Indy. I don't expect it, but it wouldn't shock me. I don't think they can beat San Diego. San Diego is talented, and will punch you in the face. The Colts are talented.... but they're more likely to sidestep around you. I think that plays into our hands.

It wouldn't be the first time Indy came up short in the divisional round at home after a great season.

forfreelin04
12-27-2009, 07:54 PM
In general, I agree with you. I've been saying around here for a while now that the offense isn't nearly good enough to do any damage in the postseason. That's clear to me, I'm not trying to state otherwise.

And the penalties and turnovers surely don't help. However, I still believe, that for ONE game, this team can beat Indy. I don't expect it, but it wouldn't shock me. I don't think they can beat San Diego. San Diego is talented, and will punch you in the face. The Colts are talented.... but they're more likely to sidestep around you. I think that plays into our hands.

It wouldn't be the first time Indy came up short in the divisional round at home after a great season.

If Caldwell doesn't fumble on the WR screen, they could have beat the Chargers. Indy, we don't know about. We haven't played them this year.

I can understand Dom's frustration. They've put together one complete game all year. However, if you take into account the low expectations coming into the season, the tragedy the team has faced during the season and the amount of rookies they play each game, I don't see anything wrong with being extremely happy about a division title! I will be disappointed with another first round playoff loss at home, but anything more than that will be a surprise.

Redsfaithful
12-27-2009, 07:59 PM
And Redsfaithful, sure, there are teams who would love to be in the playoffs, but to take that and go to "They could beat the Colts" is a pretty big leap.

I think this Bengals team is winning mostly with defense, and people aren't used to that so people are automatically assuming they aren't very good because they don't blow out bad teams.

You seem hung up on the Lions game but they dominated Detroit, despite turning the ball over three times. Not once during that game did the Bengals seem in any danger whatsoever.

They beat a good Baltimore team twice, and a good Pittsburgh team twice. Flip those results and the Ravens and Steelers are both 10-5 right now and everyone is talking about them being in a rematch for the AFC title.

They also beat a good Green Bay team on the road pretty handily, and they hung tough against the Chargers on the road. The only game I feel bad about this year is Minnesota. Other losses were flukes (Oakland, Denver) or had what I think are extenuating circumstances (Houston).

This Bengals team can beat anybody. They might be one and done and they might go to the Super Bowl, either is possible. Looking at today's game that had a super conservative offensive game plan I don't think tells you much. Kansas City gave up over 300 yards rushing last week, and they obviously focused on tightening that up this week, and yet the Bengals still ran the ball well and mostly dictated the way the game went today.

The passing game is a problem, mostly I think due to the line not being a good pass blocking line, but I don't think that necessarily means the Bengals are doomed. I know it's not something we are used to, but their defense really is pretty good.

redsfanmia
12-27-2009, 08:02 PM
I would certainly take the Colts if I was to place a bet where all I had to was predict who won. However, you have greatly overstated the Colts "greatness." They have won several games this year in similar fashion to the Bengals, low scoring, last drive games. They won the Bellechick Blink game on a fluke. Your post was accurate to this extent--"The Colts are undefeated."

I would predict a Bengals vs. Colts game to look similar to the Bengals vs. Chargers.

The Bengals are a good solid team but I dont think the Bengals can score with the Colts. To beat the Colts you need to pressure Manning and create turnovers and since Odom is gone I dont think the Bengals can pressure Manning enough to force turnovers. The Colts just win, they win low scoring games, they win shoot outs, they win with great offense, they win with big defensive plays, they just win.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 08:23 PM
The history this year, TR.

They barely beat the Lions and Chiefs.

Now all of a sudden, they "match up well" with the Colts.

You guys are smoking some homegrown.So what? Beat Green Bay, Pittsburgh and Baltimore on the road, lost on a last second FG to SD. They clearly match up with playoff caliber teams. Like I said, Minny appears to be the anomaly. I surely didn't say they "match up well," but when you have a stout D, you have a chance to win any game, anywhere. You are still overstating your case with dramatics.

traderumor
12-27-2009, 08:24 PM
The Bengals are a good solid team but I dont think the Bengals can score with the Colts. To beat the Colts you need to pressure Manning and create turnovers and since Odom is gone I dont think the Bengals can pressure Manning enough to force turnovers. The Colts just win, they win low scoring games, they win shoot outs, they win with great offense, they win with big defensive plays, they just win."Just win" sometimes comes up a few fluke plays going the other way in the playoffs. They are not dominant, therefore game's on in the playoffs.

redsfanmia
12-27-2009, 08:30 PM
"Just win" sometimes comes up a few fluke plays going the other way in the playoffs. They are not dominant, therefore game's on in the playoffs.

True that, as a Colts fan I have seen this many times.

BUTLER REDSFAN
12-27-2009, 09:29 PM
I fear they are in the middle of one of the biggest choke jobs you have ever seen. Bengals, please prove me wrong.

I'm happy they proved me wrong. :)

yab1112
12-27-2009, 10:05 PM
Bengals Jets game just got moved to Sunday night next week! :whodey:

Deepred05
12-27-2009, 10:07 PM
True that, as a Colts fan I have seen this many times.

As a Colt fan, I am curious about your thoughts on todays laydown for the Jets? Personally, I think it sucks. I would like to see another perfect season in my lifetime. That and the fact I had money on the Colts!:(

HeatherC1212
12-27-2009, 10:14 PM
Bengals Jets game just got moved to Sunday night next week! :whodey:

I was just coming to post that news. :) I think it's very cool that the Bengals finally got a Sunday night game and I hope they play well even though there really isn't anything riding on this game for them. I bet Cris Collinsworth is very excited that he'll get to call that game! :D

BTW-Tony Dungy said in the pregame that he thinks the Bengals beat the Jets next week. It sounds like he's a Bengal fan this year. I always knew I liked that guy, LOL :lol: :whodey:

redsfandan
12-27-2009, 10:22 PM
I think this Bengals team is winning mostly with defense, and people aren't used to that so people are automatically assuming they aren't very good because they don't blow out bad teams.

You seem hung up on the Lions game but they dominated Detroit, despite turning the ball over three times. Not once during that game did the Bengals seem in any danger whatsoever.

They beat a good Baltimore team twice, and a good Pittsburgh team twice. Flip those results and the Ravens and Steelers are both 10-5 right now and everyone is talking about them being in a rematch for the AFC title.

They also beat a good Green Bay team on the road pretty handily, and they hung tough against the Chargers on the road. The only game I feel bad about this year is Minnesota. Other losses were flukes (Oakland, Denver) or had what I think are extenuating circumstances (Houston).

This Bengals team can beat anybody. They might be one and done and they might go to the Super Bowl, either is possible. Looking at today's game that had a super conservative offensive game plan I don't think tells you much. Kansas City gave up over 300 yards rushing last week, and they obviously focused on tightening that up this week, and yet the Bengals still ran the ball well and mostly dictated the way the game went today.

The passing game is a problem, mostly I think due to the line not being a good pass blocking line, but I don't think that necessarily means the Bengals are doomed. I know it's not something we are used to, but their defense really is pretty good.
I don't think the point margin has anything to do with it. You can write off the flukes if you want but they still count. In the Detroit game they turned the ball over three times and racked up nine penalties. They were sloppy. In the NFL you can't get away with being sloppy week in week out. Especially when your offense doesn't put up alot of points.

I'll agree that the Bengals style of football this year has been very different from what everyone is used to from them. But I think the reason people have doubts about the Bengals ability to "beat anybody" and to make it to the Super Bowl have alot to do with the sloppiness and their inability to play mistake free football for more than a half.

Reds Fanatic
12-27-2009, 10:26 PM
The Bengals will know before the game even starts Sunday night if the game will mean anything to them as far as playoff seeding goes. If New England wins next week more than likely Cincinnati would be the number 4 seed. If the game is meaningless for the Bengals I would expect the starters will not play the whole game. It is even possible they could end up playing the Jets again the next week in the wild card playoff game.

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 10:26 PM
I was just coming to post that news. :) I think it's very cool that the Bengals finally got a Sunday night game and I hope they play well even though there really isn't anything riding on this game for them. I bet Cris Collinsworth is very excited that he'll get to call that game! :D

BTW-Tony Dungy said in the pregame that he thinks the Bengals beat the Jets next week. It sounds like he's a Bengal fan this year. I always knew I liked that guy, LOL :lol: :whodey:

Why would NBC move the Bengals game to Sunday night when the Bngals probably aren't going to play their starters?

Reds Fanatic
12-27-2009, 10:28 PM
Why would NBC move the Bengals game to Sunday night when the Bngals probably aren't going to play their starters? It is basically because of the Jets. If the Jets win they are in the playoffs. So with a New York team playing for a playoff spot that is why they chose that game.

redsfandan
12-27-2009, 10:28 PM
Why would NBC move the Bengals game to Sunday night when the Bngals probably aren't going to play their starters?
It's the Power of Chad. lol

Dom Heffner
12-27-2009, 10:29 PM
The Bengals will know before the game even starts Sunday night if the game will mean anything to them as far as playoff seeding goes. If New England wins next week more than likely Cincinnati would be the number 4 seed. If the game is meaningless for the Bengals I would expect the starters will not play the whole game. It is even possible they could end up playing the Jets again the next week in the wild card playoff game.

Will New England even play their starters? Does the seeding matter to anybody?

Interesting question.

Redsfan320
12-27-2009, 10:33 PM
:whodey:I love the new smiley :whodey: Go Bengals. (ok, I admit it. I wanted to try it out)

320

Yachtzee
12-27-2009, 10:59 PM
True that, as a Colts fan I have seen this many times.

Have the Colts started their annual "Let's bench all our starters for the rest of the season to rest them up for the playoff" program yet? If that is what they do, the I would be more than happy to see the Bengals face them in the playoffs. The Colts have done this a few times once they've wrapped up home field and then have a team with starters who haven't played in a month by the time their first playoff game rolls around. How many times has this succeeded for them? How many times has this resulted in an early playoff exit?

macro
12-27-2009, 11:41 PM
Will New England even play their starters? Does the seeding matter to anybody?

Interesting question.

I think having the ability to select your opponent by winning or losing is more important than who has what seed. I mentioned this earlier somewhere on the Web, but the two wildcards are probably going to be 9-7 teams anyway, so it's just a matter of deciding who you'd rather face.

My preference would be Denver, because they've proven to be the fluke I thought they were at 6-0. The Jets have an awfully strong defense. Regardless, just don't want to see Pittsburgh in.

deltachi8
12-28-2009, 01:08 AM
Congratulations Bengals and good luck in the playoffs

GAC
12-28-2009, 05:20 AM
Looking back, that 98 yard drive was something that good football teams do to win games. 3rd and 7 on your own 5 and you get a nice 9 yard safe shovel pass deep in your own territory.

I am fine with criticizing the O, the first half was atrocious. But the two TD drives in the second half should indicate that the O has the capability.

I was down at my brother's, who has been the most die hard Bengal's fan for 40 years, watching the game. There wasn't an inanimate object in his living room that didn't get cussed at by him as we watched that game, and especially the 1st half. :p:

They lost to two good playoff bound teams the prior two weeks in Minn and SD. No Bengal fan need hang their head over those games.

But KC, who was 3-11, and has one of the NFL's worst overall defenses (30th)?

The Bengal's had 53 total yds of offense in the 1st half, and I think 19 of those yds were from Carson passing. That's almost inexcusable IMO.

And the series that really upset me (and my brother, who left the room), was late in the 2nd quarter on the botched KC punt that gave the Bengals' 1st and goal on the KC 7 yd line. Palmer looked dreadful in that series.

The Bengal's defense is awesome and exciting to watch. But their offense this year, with their inconsistent and erratic performance, has me scratching my head.

And sadly, I think it will prove their down fall in the early rounds (depending on who they play) of the post-season.

They HAVE to win next week vs the Jets, more so as a moral booster then anything else IMO. Or else they can be seen as limping into the post-season.

But even if that occurs, that is nothing for Bengal fans to hang their head over. They turned a 2008 team, that went 4-12, into a division winner/post-season bound, and could end up 11-5.

Palmer did not have the greatest of seasons in 09. And that could be because he missed a majority of last season and you lost two very key guys in his receiving corp in TJ and Henry.

Certain "tweaks" made in the upcoming off-season, and this team could be even better next year. I don't see that in the other AFC North teams.

traderumor
12-28-2009, 07:14 AM
It is clear the Bengals need to spend a first round pick on a stud wideout. Chad is aging and unpredictable from season to season. A big Andre Johnson type would be my target (I know, those don't grow on trees, but that is the need). But, late in the first round might not afford such an opportunity.

However, after I asked where Coles was in that miserable first half, he showed up and made two key catches. The third down catch where he spun inside to beat his guy and pick up the first down with YAC was very TJ.

Redhook
12-28-2009, 07:36 AM
Will New England even play their starters? Does the seeding matter to anybody?

Interesting question.

If they both happened to win their games then the #3 seed would get home field for the chance to go to the Super Bowl. Chances aren't very high for both road teams winning, but stranger things have happened.

Degenerate39
12-28-2009, 07:55 AM
It looks like Baltimore and Denver or the Steelers are going to be on the wild card teams

Eric_the_Red
12-28-2009, 07:58 AM
It looks like Baltimore and Denver or the Steelers are going to be on the wild card teams

Why do you say that? If NE wins, Cincy has zero motivation to play their starters. That opens the door to the Jets.

Personally, I'm hoping the Jets and Broncos win, and the Ravens lose. Having the Ravens and Steelers at home would make the Bengals playoff game a little sweeter. (Plus I don't fear the Jets or Broncos as much as the Ravens/Steelers.)

Dom Heffner
12-28-2009, 09:34 AM
If they both happened to win their games then the #3 seed would get home field for the chance to go to the Super Bowl. Chances aren't very high for both road teams winning, but stranger things have happened.

I thought both New England and Cincy had a home game sewn up. It's just a matter of who they are going to play.

traderumor
12-28-2009, 09:37 AM
I thought both New England and Cincy had a home game sewn up. It's just a matter of who they are going to play.He is talking about the AFC Championship Game. The highest seed left at that point gets home field advantage. The only way the 4 seed gets two home games is if they meet a WC team in the AFC Championship game.

BuckeyeRedleg
12-28-2009, 10:23 AM
It is clear the Bengals need to spend a first round pick on a stud wideout.

That or C.J. Spiller if he falls to them.

blumj
12-28-2009, 10:34 AM
I thought both New England and Cincy had a home game sewn up. It's just a matter of who they are going to play.
It would matter if the AFCCG were to wind up being Pats vs. Bengals.

bucksfan2
12-28-2009, 11:08 AM
That or C.J. Spiller if he falls to them.

First round receivers are bust quite often. Andre Johnson was a top 3 pick in the draft. Remember when Troy Williamson was supposed to replace Randy Moss in Minnesota?

As for Spiller I like Joe McKnight about the same but you can get him in the late second early 3rd. I think he will be more successful in the pros than Reggie Bush and can add some versatility to a stagnant offense.

Mario-Rijo
12-28-2009, 03:17 PM
Now that Fred Davis has broken out in Washington I wonder if one Chris Cooley would be available in a trade? We need a chain mover in Cincy. I know how about we trade Coles to Seattle for TJ, they make about the same? :D

redsfanmia
12-28-2009, 03:39 PM
As a Colt fan, I am curious about your thoughts on todays laydown for the Jets? Personally, I think it sucks. I would like to see another perfect season in my lifetime. That and the fact I had money on the Colts!:(

I think it reaks of arrogance by Bill Polian. Polian is great at what he does and is the reason the Colts have been as good as they have been for the last 10 years, but there is a reason he is 1 and 4 in Super Bowls. The game Sunday is the perfect example why the Colts have won only one super bowl.

Razor Shines
12-28-2009, 03:44 PM
I think it reaks of arrogance by Bill Polian. Polian is great at what he does and is the reason the Colts have been as good as they have been for the last 10 years, but there is a reason he is 1 and 4 in Super Bowls. The game Sunday is the perfect example why the Colts have won only one super bowl.

Nah, a GM can get the right players in place to get to a Superbowl, but once they're to that point it's up to the player's to win the game. Polian being 1 and 4 in SBs means nothing to me except that he's a pretty darn good GM.

I never have been a fan of resting the starters so much at the end of the season though. And I do think it has an affect on part of their first playoff game. I think the offense will look out of sync for the first game. Maybe only the first half though.

Eric_the_Red
12-28-2009, 03:54 PM
I think it reaks of arrogance by Bill Polian. Polian is great at what he does and is the reason the Colts have been as good as they have been for the last 10 years, but there is a reason he is 1 and 4 in Super Bowls. The game Sunday is the perfect example why the Colts have won only one super bowl.

Funny, I don't remember the Colts being in 4 Super Bowls. :confused:

redsfanmia
12-28-2009, 03:56 PM
Funny, I don't remember the Colts being in 4 Super Bowls. :confused:

Bill Polian was the General Manager for the Bills during their 4 straight super bowl run, I was refering to Polian not the Colts.

Eric_the_Red
12-28-2009, 03:57 PM
Bill Polian was the General Manager for the Bills during their 4 straight super bowl run, I was refering to Polian not the Colts.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks, I thought I missed something.

redsfanmia
12-28-2009, 03:58 PM
Nah, a GM can get the right players in place to get to a Superbowl, but once they're to that point it's up to the player's to win the game. Polian being 1 and 4 in SBs means nothing to me except that he's a pretty darn good GM.

I never have been a fan of resting the starters so much at the end of the season though. And I do think it has an affect on part of their first playoff game. I think the offense will look out of sync for the first game. Maybe only the first half though.

What year did resting players work for the Colts? Polian is a great GM and I am very happy he is here so I dont want to disparage him or his abilities, I feel for Caldwell because he is the front man for Polian's decision to rest guys. Anyone who thinks Caldwell made the call is kidding themselves.

Razor Shines
12-28-2009, 04:04 PM
What year did resting players work for the Colts? Polian is a great GM and I am very happy he is here so I dont want to disparage him or his abilities, I feel for Caldwell because he is the front man for Polian's decision to rest guys. Anyone who thinks Caldwell made the call is kidding themselves.

it hasn't which is why I said I am not a fan. Now is that the reason they didn't make the sb those years? Who knows, but I certainly don't think it helped.

BRM
12-28-2009, 04:06 PM
it hasn't which is why I said I am not a fan. Now is that the reason they didn't make the sb those years? Who knows, but I certainly don't think it helped.

Exactly. I can't say definitively that it cost them but it obviously didn't help any.

Mario-Rijo
12-28-2009, 04:23 PM
Nah, a GM can get the right players in place to get to a Superbowl, but once they're to that point it's up to the player's to win the game. Polian being 1 and 4 in SBs means nothing to me except that he's a pretty darn good GM.

I never have been a fan of resting the starters so much at the end of the season though. And I do think it has an affect on part of their first playoff game. I think the offense will look out of sync for the first game. Maybe only the first half though.

Perhaps he has built them too well. The Bills regular seasons were pretty doggone good as well IIRC. Something to having it so easy that the individuals don't get used to playing to their fullest and can't find the switch when they need too?