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will5979
02-11-2010, 11:50 AM
I'm talking the near future, 10-20 years. I for one will not be satisfied with this team until another banner is hoisted up in LF. It just seems that after winning 3 world championships in 15 years 75-90 that management would be willing to do whatever it takes to break the 20 year funk they are in.

Don't get me wrong I was lucky to be old enough to have experienced the win in 90, but I was only 11 at the time, I want to experience one as an adult.

FlyerFanatic
02-11-2010, 11:58 AM
doesnt help the huge gap that has taken place in the past 20 years with the major teams and their unlimited spending essentially. the reds time will come...maybe not as soon or when we all expect it to, but it will come. when it does, it will be GLORIOUS.

that or we could all pray that some billionaire will buy the reds and be all steinbrenner like and raise our payroll to yankee levels.

big boy
02-11-2010, 01:28 PM
Everything would have to fall into place for them to win a World Series. That is about what happened in 1990.

texasdave
02-11-2010, 01:50 PM
I am predicting that the Reds win the World Series in 2012. And then shortly thereafter the world comes to an end, denying all long-suffering Reds' fans the chance to truly savor the Championship.

PhillipsHead
02-11-2010, 01:51 PM
I'm talking the near future, 10-20 years. I for one will not be satisfied with this team until another banner is hoisted up in LF. It just seems that after winning 3 world championships in 15 years 75-90 that management would be willing to do whatever it takes to break the 20 year funk they are in.

Don't get me wrong I was lucky to be old enough to have experienced the win in 90, but I was only 11 at the time, I want to experience one as an adult.

Translation: "I want to get WASTED!"

I'm with ya buddy. Go Reds! And Hooraaaaay Beer!

Ghosts of 1990
02-11-2010, 02:28 PM
If they don't do it in the next five years; I have my doubts. The rotation and nucleus is going to be as solid as it's going to ever be with young players.....

People always talk about the year for us being 2011, or 2012.... I think the true teams that jump up onto the radar screen do it a year or two before they're truly scheduled. And if they don't jump up somewhat that year or two ahead of schedule the window is short lived and they never actually make a 'run'.

This is a big year. We don't have to win it all, but a run at the wildcard or playoffs would be encouraging for the years we've been banking on for a long time.

CRedsLarkin11
02-11-2010, 02:54 PM
I was too young in '90 to remember it so it's as if I've never seen them win one. Of course, hope springs eternal and every year I'm optimistic but it's been so long since they've been to the playoffs you really do wonder if it'll ever happen again. Either they have to change the format with a cap or the stars have to align perfectly as someone else said. They definitely have some promising pitching coming as soon as next season but it'll take hitting on all of our prospects for it to happen.

Chris Sabowned
02-11-2010, 03:21 PM
The thing about MLB is that any team that makes the playoffs can win the World Series. A wild card team makes the World Series almost every year. Its gonna take not only us having a talented and deep roster but we need a few guys getting hot at the right time to bring the title home.

I think we have enough talent and depth to make a run at St. Louis in the division or at least Atlanta/Colorado/San Fransisco in the wild card. But after we do that we need at least two of our starters to pitch the best ball of their career.

will5979
02-18-2010, 06:45 PM
Translation: "I want to get WASTED!"

I'm with ya buddy. Go Reds! And Hooraaaaay Beer!

:laugh:

Beer is good, beer is good, beer is good...and stuff!

Yep you nailed it man. MY Reds fantasy is to watch them beat the Braves in round 1, beat the Cubs in a 7 game NLCS where the Cubs are oh so close to winning BUT FAIL!!! Then embarass the Red Sox in the Series.

Then my buddies and I get wasted and do some stuff (torment Cubs and Red Sox fans) that in ten years we look back and say, "man that was a great time!" :beerme:

Redsfan320
02-18-2010, 06:59 PM
Then embarass the Red Sox in the Series.

Haha. I'd prefer the Yankees myself. Just think about it. The lowly Cincinnati Reds (I don't see any chance of them being crowned America's Underdog like the Saints were) against the

Mighty, Steroid- Fueled Empire, . And WINNING. Imagine the complaint's of Yankee fans. " The system's all wrong." " They won because they didn't have a billion dollars to spend"(huh?)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

320

Spazzrico
02-18-2010, 07:10 PM
"Now the law of averages says anything will happen that can. But the last time the Cubs won the National League Pennant was the year we dropped the ball on Japan".

-The Immortal Steve Goodman


I just hope we don't have to write any songs like this one in three decades.

will5979
02-18-2010, 07:48 PM
Haha. I'd prefer the Yankees myself. Just think about it. The lowly Cincinnati Reds (I don't see any chance of them being crowned America's Underdog like the Saints were) against the

Mighty, Steroid- Fueled Empire, . And WINNING. Imagine the complaint's of Yankee fans. " The system's all wrong." " They won because they didn't have a billion dollars to spend"(huh?)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

320

My friend, you just qouted what I lived through in October of 1990! Everyone and their stupid brother claimed to be an A's fan, then they morphed into Braves, YAnkees, and Red Sox fans in that order!

The A's were the team that everyone feared and most experts predicted a sweep in the series that year...well they were half right! IT was the Reds doing the sweeping, and no one gave us a chance!

brm7675
02-19-2010, 01:29 PM
Given the present economic structure in baseball, it will be very difficult for teams like the Reds to win the World series, until baseball wakes up and provides a little more structure into their pay scales and such, many teams will struggle to compete.


I'm talking the near future, 10-20 years. I for one will not be satisfied with this team until another banner is hoisted up in LF. It just seems that after winning 3 world championships in 15 years 75-90 that management would be willing to do whatever it takes to break the 20 year funk they are in.

Don't get me wrong I was lucky to be old enough to have experienced the win in 90, but I was only 11 at the time, I want to experience one as an adult.

PhillipsHead
02-19-2010, 01:34 PM
Whatever happened to patience. A title will come...we are building a team through solid young pitching and defense. Look what that did to the Rays 2 years ago.

Griffey012
02-19-2010, 01:38 PM
Given the present economic structure in baseball, it will be very difficult for teams like the Reds to win the World series, until baseball wakes up and provides a little more structure into their pay scales and such, many teams will struggle to compete.

In the last 10 years we have had the Marlins, D-Backs, and Cardinals win a series. We have also had Tampa Bay, Colorado, Cardinals, San Fran, and Houston in the World Series. There is plenty of room for a team like Cincinnati to get in, the difference is the small market teams have to build, then buy, instead of just buy. And right now we are taking huge steps in that building process. Get a good nucleus moving forward with positive results and the fans will come back, and then we can buy that missing piece to get us over the hump. Cincinnati is and always was a baseball town, there just hasn't been much to spend their money on, but I guarantee you as soon as there is a team to get excited about GABP will start to fill up.

brm7675
02-19-2010, 02:21 PM
Both the Cards and D-backs had payrolls much more then the Reds have. TB finally after how many bad moves and drafts finally made it. You have to remember the Reds are a lower payroll team, and without a wage/salary cap, the have not's will continue to struggle.


In the last 10 years we have had the Marlins, D-Backs, and Cardinals win a series. We have also had Tampa Bay, Colorado, Cardinals, San Fran, and Houston in the World Series. There is plenty of room for a team like Cincinnati to get in, the difference is the small market teams have to build, then buy, instead of just buy. And right now we are taking huge steps in that building process. Get a good nucleus moving forward with positive results and the fans will come back, and then we can buy that missing piece to get us over the hump. Cincinnati is and always was a baseball town, there just hasn't been much to spend their money on, but I guarantee you as soon as there is a team to get excited about GABP will start to fill up.

1990REDS
02-19-2010, 06:01 PM
I think it will take a major comitment from ownership to win a title. Things like collective bargaining and luxery taxes do make it so we can spend money to. Just a matter of how much of last years profit you wanna put into this years product. This is a business, why spend more money than need be to turn a profit. I think the reds are on the right track with developing some young talent, hopefully that will pay off.

Griffey012
02-19-2010, 06:16 PM
Both the Cards and D-backs had payrolls much more then the Reds have. TB finally after how many bad moves and drafts finally made it. You have to remember the Reds are a lower payroll team, and without a wage/salary cap, the have not's will continue to struggle.

According to the baseballcube the 01 DBacks had a payroll of about 85 mil
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2001/2.shtml

02 Giants - 78 mil
03 Marlins - 49 mil
04 Cardinals - 83 mil
05 White Sox - 75 mil
05 Astros - 76 mil
06 Cardinals - 89 mil
07 Rockies - 54 mil
08 Rays - 44 mil

The Reds payroll has went from 62 mil in '05 to 74 mil the last 2 seasons. Which is plenty enough to build a world series team as I have just shown. And if we make the playoffs one season, I would guess BobC opens up his pocketbook for a big name piece through FA or Trade. Not to mention half of our payrolls is tied up in a handful of overprice players. We appear to be making a plan to win with Pitching and Defense, which is the way to go. Just look at the 05 White Sox, not a huge payroll but a great pitching staff who dominated in the playoffs.

1990REDS
02-19-2010, 06:48 PM
According to the baseballcube the 01 DBacks had a payroll of about 85 mil
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2001/2.shtml

02 Giants - 78 mil
03 Marlins - 49 mil
04 Cardinals - 83 mil
05 White Sox - 75 mil
05 Astros - 76 mil
06 Cardinals - 89 mil
07 Rockies - 54 mil
08 Rays - 44 mil

The Reds payroll has went from 62 mil in '05 to 74 mil the last 2 seasons. Which is plenty enough to build a world series team as I have just shown. And if we make the playoffs one season, I would guess BobC opens up his pocketbook for a big name piece through FA or Trade. Not to mention half of our payrolls is tied up in a handful of overprice players. We appear to be making a plan to win with Pitching and Defense, which is the way to go. Just look at the 05 White Sox, not a huge payroll but a great pitching staff who dominated in the playoffs.

this is a great stat but all these teams except for the cards (and possibly the rockies) were 1 year and done. I dont think you need a big payroll to win one year but you need a big payroll to consistanly be a contender for a 5-10 year period.

brm7675
02-19-2010, 06:56 PM
If Harrang had produced like he did in 2007 and Edinson not get hurt, I liked what our pitching had to offer last year. This year we again have the potential to have a good starting rotation and bullpen, but we need Harrang to bounce back and Bailey to continue to improve. If we do, then I believe we can challenge the Cards.


According to the baseballcube the 01 DBacks had a payroll of about 85 mil
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2001/2.shtml

02 Giants - 78 mil
03 Marlins - 49 mil
04 Cardinals - 83 mil
05 White Sox - 75 mil
05 Astros - 76 mil
06 Cardinals - 89 mil
07 Rockies - 54 mil
08 Rays - 44 mil

The Reds payroll has went from 62 mil in '05 to 74 mil the last 2 seasons. Which is plenty enough to build a world series team as I have just shown. And if we make the playoffs one season, I would guess BobC opens up his pocketbook for a big name piece through FA or Trade. Not to mention half of our payrolls is tied up in a handful of overprice players. We appear to be making a plan to win with Pitching and Defense, which is the way to go. Just look at the 05 White Sox, not a huge payroll but a great pitching staff who dominated in the playoffs.

Griffey012
02-20-2010, 09:49 AM
this is a great stat but all these teams except for the cards (and possibly the rockies) were 1 year and done. I dont think you need a big payroll to win one year but you need a big payroll to consistanly be a contender for a 5-10 year period.

Most of these teams hampered themselves with stupid FA signings or trades as a result of their success. However with only 8 teams going to the playoffs each season, 1 injury or unexpected poor performance can really hamper a season. As far as getting to the playoffs the big spenders have some advantage, but as far as winning, it is still pretty much a crapshoot just depending on which teams pieces are clicking at the right time.

1990REDS
02-20-2010, 07:34 PM
Most of these teams hampered themselves with stupid FA signings or trades as a result of their success. However with only 8 teams going to the playoffs each season, 1 injury or unexpected poor performance can really hamper a season. As far as getting to the playoffs the big spenders have some advantage, but as far as winning, it is still pretty much a crapshoot just depending on which teams pieces are clicking at the right time.

Yes, when you have a small payroll you have no depth. When starters go down on a small payroll team theres knowone to take thier spot so one injury or bad off season signing can kill you. Thats were big payrolls pay off. As for winning being a crapshoot then why do the yankees, redsox, cubs, mets, and other high payroll teams always in it. Im not sayin all these teams win titles every year but at least thier seasons are not over by the end of august like ares usually are.

Griffey012
02-22-2010, 01:51 AM
Yes, when you have a small payroll you have no depth. When starters go down on a small payroll team theres knowone to take thier spot so one injury or bad off season signing can kill you. Thats were big payrolls pay off. As for winning being a crapshoot then why do the yankees, redsox, cubs, mets, and other high payroll teams always in it. Im not sayin all these teams win titles every year but at least thier seasons are not over by the end of august like ares usually are.

I like our chances to win a series just as well as the Cubs or Mets, both franchise take pride in spending huge dollars on horrible moves. Just look at everything the Mets do, including just dropping huge dollars on Bay. Good player, but not a great player, and he got great player money. I would much rather have Holliday. The D-backs, Rockies, Cards all had a good 2-3 year run and the Cards are contenders for the playoffs year in and year out.

If we continue to build from within the farm system we wont have huge problems when a player goes down, we are beginning to build a lot of depth in the form of good prospects and minor league players. The problem a lot of smaller teams make is they feel the "have" to make a splash in the off-season to add a player, even though the player isn't what they need.

I really feel if we stay patients with our plan we have a shot at contending for the playoffs for a good 3-5 year period. And once you get in the playoffs anything can happen.

Kingspoint
02-22-2010, 03:44 AM
With our farm system and the young risers we already have at the Big League level, it's a good time to be a REDS' fan.

The games themselves should be very entertaining and the team should always be able to win at least 75 games; and, with some luck and timing pushing themselves to three or four 90+ win seasons over the next 10 years.

I'll take that kind of production any time from a "small market team".

1990REDS
02-22-2010, 05:14 PM
I like our chances to win a series just as well as the Cubs or Mets, both franchise take pride in spending huge dollars on horrible moves. Just look at everything the Mets do, including just dropping huge dollars on Bay. Good player, but not a great player, and he got great player money. I would much rather have Holliday. The D-backs, Rockies, Cards all had a good 2-3 year run and the Cards are contenders for the playoffs year in and year out.

If we continue to build from within the farm system we wont have huge problems when a player goes down, we are beginning to build a lot of depth in the form of good prospects and minor league players. The problem a lot of smaller teams make is they feel the "have" to make a splash in the off-season to add a player, even though the player isn't what they need.

I really feel if we stay patients with our plan we have a shot at contending for the playoffs for a good 3-5 year period. And once you get in the playoffs anything can happen.


I understand what your saying but it just seems like we have been "developing young talent" for a decade. In the mean time we havent had a winning season since 2000. So if were gonna go the way of using our farm system instead of free agency, we dont seem to be very good at it. Every year im told were "2 years Away" and im growing impatient (as im sure others are). I want the reds to win NOW. But hey you gotta look at the bright side. At least were not pirate fans!

Griffey012
02-22-2010, 05:29 PM
I understand what your saying but it just seems like we have been "developing young talent" for a decade. In the mean time we havent had a winning season since 2000. So if were gonna go the way of using our farm system instead of free agency, we dont seem to be very good at it. Every year im told were "2 years Away" and im growing impatient (as im sure others are). I want the reds to win NOW. But hey you gotta look at the bright side. At least were not pirate fans!

From about 98-04 we didn't do anything right outside of 1 good season, and our drafts were abysmal. We have really been paying for the period of horrible drafting that past few seasons. Unfortunately JimBo's idea of young talent meant players who were fast, agile, could throw a rocket, and we will teach them how to hit later (which they never learned how to hit most the time). Dan-O really started laying the ground for developing the farm and Krivsky really got it going in full stride, and Bob C has shown he is willing to spend the money on the farm which is some Lindner and Schott didn't care about doing. Every team is "developing young talent", except now we actually are "developing good young talent".

I agree, there are many teams out there right now who I am glad I am not a fan of, and thankfully the Reds aren't one.