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savafan
02-23-2010, 01:25 PM
I'm just going on memory here, not looking anything up, but who are some of the guys who won the Rookie of the Year award one season and then never panned out the rest of their careers?

Off the top of my head, I've come up with "the obvious" Joe Charbonneau, Walt Weiss, Scott Williamson, Pat Listach, Todd Hollandworth, and I think Bob Hamelin won the award his rookie season, but I may be wrong on that...

TheNext44
02-23-2010, 01:28 PM
Scott Williamson is the first name to come to my mind.

Ron Madden
02-23-2010, 01:30 PM
Tommy Helms?

dougdirt
02-23-2010, 01:36 PM
Angel Berroa.

westofyou
02-23-2010, 01:37 PM
Carl Morton, Pat Zachary, Butch Metzger, Jerome Walton, The Bird, John Castino

RichRed
02-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Ben Grieve

bucksfan2
02-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Eric Karros

RedsBaron
02-23-2010, 01:45 PM
Ken Hubbs won the NL Rookie of the Year in 1962 at age 20, yet never again played in the majors after 1963.

RedsBaron
02-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Of course Hubbs had an excuse.....
Harry Byrd won 15 games for the A's in 1952, but this AL Rookie of the Year only won 29 games the rest of his career. The NL Rookie of the Year in 1952, Joe Black, went 15-4 with 15 saves for Brooklyn, but only won 15 more games the rest of his career.

savafan
02-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Jerome Walton

Should have been Dwight Smith, not that he was ever any special either. Walton got the edge due to an impressive hitting streak if I recall.

I still say Mark Grace should have won over Sabo...

bucksfan2
02-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Chris Sabo

oneupper
02-23-2010, 01:49 PM
Geovany Soto. Although it may be too soon to say.

RedsBaron
02-23-2010, 01:49 PM
Walt Dropo, the AL Rookie of the Year in 1952 when he hit .322 with 34 HRs and a league leading 144 RBI, thereafter didn't have that great a career, finishing with 152 HRs and 704 RBI. Dropo was 27 his rookie year, so it isn't as surprising that he peaked then.
Herb Score was the AL Rookie of the Year in 1955, going 16-10, and followed that up with a 20-9 season in 1956, leading the AL in K's both seasons, but he was never the same after being hit by a ball.

savafan
02-23-2010, 01:50 PM
Herb Score was the AL Rookie of the Year in 1955, going 16-10, and followed that up with a 20-9 season in 1956, leading the AL in K's both seasons, but he was never the same after being hit by a ball.

You kinda have to give him a pass for that.

REDblooded
02-23-2010, 01:51 PM
Angel Berroa.

was gonna be mine...

RedsBaron
02-23-2010, 01:52 PM
You kinda have to give him a pass for that.

Ken Hubbs gets a bigger pass...

George Anderson
02-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Stan Bahnsen

Mario-Rijo
02-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Chris Sabo

I don't know how either Karros or Sabo qualifies for this list. Both solid starters after their rookie seasons IIRC.

RedsManRick
02-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Regression to the mean is a cruel mistress...

bucksfan2
02-23-2010, 02:11 PM
I don't know how either Karros or Sabo qualifies for this list. Both solid starters after their rookie seasons IIRC.

Yea but they really were nothing special. Sabo did have two pretty good seasons but fizzled away after a handful of years.

Karros on the other hand did turn out a pretty good career. I guess I had always thought that he would have become a better player. Thought he would be a perennial All Star and it looks like he ever made it.

HumnHilghtFreel
02-23-2010, 02:15 PM
Dontrelle Willis came out scorching until it seemed like the league figured him and his quirky delivery out the last few years. That's the best I can think of

westofyou
02-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.

And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.

gonelong
02-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Mark Fidrych

GL

savafan
02-23-2010, 02:26 PM
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.

And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.

Look at the 1988 seasons of Sabo and Mark Grace. Really, stolen bases is the only stat where Sabo seems to stand out.

George Anderson
02-23-2010, 02:28 PM
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.

And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.

Plus Sabo hit .563 with 2 HR's and 5 RBI in the 90' WS.

I'd say thats pretty special!!

westofyou
02-23-2010, 02:33 PM
Look at the 1988 seasons of Sabo and Mark Grace. Really, stolen bases is the only stat where Sabo seems to stand out.

Which in that era was a big thing (46 SB 4th in the league) One thing to note is that Sabo came out of nowhere and stole teh job from Bell and Pete LOVED him, pumped him up and sent all kinds of press towards him, and we all know who votes on ROY.

savafan
02-23-2010, 02:36 PM
Which in that era was a big thing (46 SB 4th in the league) One thing to note is that Sabo came out of nowhere and stole teh job from Bell and Pete LOVED him, pumped him up and sent all kinds of press towards him, and we all know who votes on ROY.

I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)

Eric_the_Red
02-23-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)


Well, let that be a reminder never to buy cards from a guy with "Fast" as his nickname.

Remember the '89 Topps Gregg Jeffries card? It was the Holy Grail of collecting for a few months.

bucksfan2
02-23-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)

Its selling on ebay for $1.01 + $2 shipping. I think having historical documentation of the rec specs is worth the price.

savafan
02-23-2010, 02:48 PM
Well, let that be a reminder never to buy cards from a guy with "Fast" as his nickname.

Remember the '89 Topps Gregg Jeffries card? It was the Holy Grail of collecting for a few months.

Ah yes, the Future Star card.

Traded a 1961 Topps Clemente for a whole box of Gregg Jefferies '89 Donruss Rated Rookies. Man, if I could turn back time...

savafan
02-23-2010, 03:08 PM
How did I forget about Marty Cordova?

jmcclain19
02-23-2010, 03:13 PM
Bobby Crosby should be on this list

Cedric
02-23-2010, 03:30 PM
How can Eric Karros or Chris Sabo be considered "nothing special"?

Just my two cents.

red-in-la
02-23-2010, 03:32 PM
BTW... it is Todd Hollingsworth.

BRM
02-23-2010, 03:35 PM
BTW... it is Todd Hollingsworth.

Is that how Grande pronounced it?

15fan
02-23-2010, 04:48 PM
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.

And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.

Yep. I'll throw out another name that'll surely derail this thread:

Barry Larkin, 1996.

As for RoYs, here they are:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/roy_rol.shtml

What strikes me is that the NL RoY had a very solid run 1981 - 1993. Jerome Walton in 1989 turned out to be a dud. Sabo's probably the 2nd weakest name in that stretch. Otherwise, all of the NL RoY winners from Valenzuela in 1981 to Piazza in 1993 all had very good to great careers.

Don't think I've seen Pat Listach mentioned, yet.

savafan
02-23-2010, 04:50 PM
Don't think I've seen Pat Listach mentioned, yet.

I thought I mentioned him in the first post. Maybe not though.

Sea Ray
02-23-2010, 05:41 PM
Yep. I'll throw out another name that'll surely derail this thread:

Barry Larkin, 1996.

As for RoYs, here they are:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/roy_rol.shtml

What strikes me is that the NL RoY had a very solid run 1981 - 1993. Jerome Walton in 1989 turned out to be a dud. Sabo's probably the 2nd weakest name in that stretch. Otherwise, all of the NL RoY winners from Valenzuela in 1981 to Piazza in 1993 all had very good to great careers.

Don't think I've seen Pat Listach mentioned, yet.

What does Barry Larkin in 1996 have to do with ROYs?

Joseph
02-23-2010, 09:02 PM
What does Barry Larkin in 1996 have to do with ROYs?

He's throwing his name out as a possible Reds steroid user.

PuffyPig
02-23-2010, 09:02 PM
Stan Bahnsen

16 year career, 146 wins, 3,60 ERA, 2520 innings.

That's sounds like a very good career.

GADawg
02-23-2010, 09:53 PM
I'm going Dontrelle Willis though I really wish he would get it together...can't help but like the guy... Geo Soto was a good one I hope...probably a good guy but he DOES play for the freakin' cubs.

Captain Hook
02-23-2010, 10:21 PM
If it wasn't for Ryan Howard Willy Taveras would be dominating this thread.

Ron Madden
02-24-2010, 02:37 AM
I'm confused. :confused:

OnBaseMachine
02-24-2010, 02:40 AM
I'm confused. :confused:

Taveras finished second to Ryan Howard in NL Rookie of the Year voting in 2005.

Ron Madden
02-24-2010, 02:53 AM
Thanks OBM, aint that a kick in the pants?

George Anderson
02-24-2010, 07:50 AM
16 year career, 146 wins, 3,60 ERA, 2520 innings.

That's sounds like a very good career.

I guess you could call it a very good career, but certainly "Nothing Special". ;)

blumj
02-24-2010, 08:12 AM
Eric Hinske. He also has a 3 year WS streak with 3 different teams still alive.

15fan
02-24-2010, 03:01 PM
I thought I mentioned him in the first post. Maybe not though.

My bad.

MrCinatit
02-24-2010, 04:14 PM
Kazuhiro Sasaki had three solid years in the majors, but only played four total years in the bigs. Yes, he went back home as he was homesick...but I would still mark that as a disappointment.

And Sava, you would be happy to know that Fast Eddie has been out of business for quite a while. I worked for a competitor in the early 1990s and heard a lot of stories about the guy.

Vada Pinson Fan
02-24-2010, 04:28 PM
That McCovey guy back in '59 took the ROY from Vada in half the ab's. I refused to hear about McCovey ever since! j/k lol ;) :p: ;)

camisadelgolf
02-24-2010, 04:28 PM
Bobby Crosby had a decent (albeit shortened) sophomore season, but he has been nothing better than mediocre ever since.

Aside from one season, Jason Jennings has been below average since winning RotY, too.

Pat Listach somehow received NL MVP votes for his rookie season and was only horrible after that year.

I don't know much about Joe Charboneau, but he had less than 200 at-bats after his rookie year, and they were nothing to write home about.

savafan
02-24-2010, 04:49 PM
And Sava, you would be happy to know that Fast Eddie has been out of business for quite a while. I worked for a competitor in the early 1990s and heard a lot of stories about the guy.

I'd be happy to hear he was serving 18 to life on a prison planet in an outlying galaxy. ;)

Mario-Rijo
02-24-2010, 05:04 PM
Ah yes, the Future Star card.

Traded a 1961 Topps Clemente for a whole box of Gregg Jefferies '89 Donruss Rated Rookies. Man, if I could turn back time...

I think they were going for something like 8-12 bucks a piece when I had a windfall of them (somewhere around a dozen of them). Some guys at school thought they robbed me blind when I sold them for 2.50 a piece to them. I don't know what they are going for these days but pretty sure they aren't getting 2.50 for them. But Clemente, ouch.