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westofyou
02-24-2010, 11:12 AM
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Good Stuff from baseballmusings - check out the spreadsheet



Yesterday, in a post about Jeff Francoeur, I brought up a simple method for examining the cost in outs of producing runs. Iíve posted a google spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtLN7PCVtKrHdEljd1k1emJoOVF3SWVLZmtERlNIV Wc&hl=en) of the results, the 163 players since 2005 with 2000 PA. Itís interesting to me that five of the top 30 spent time with the Red Sox during that period, Ramirez, Ortiz, Bay, Youkilis and Drew, and four with the Yankees (A-Rod, Giambi, Abreu and Matsui). These clubs value out efficient run production.

The list is also a nice view of the defensive spectrum, as the top is dominated by first basemen and designated hitter types, while the bottom is full of middle infielders and catchers. Feel free to download and play with the data.


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http://baseballmusings.com/?p=47103


Outs are the currency of baseball. Players who can buy more runs per out, or conversely, spend fewer outs per run, are richer hitters. An easy way to look at this, something you can do off any stat sheet or the back of a baseball card, is to use batting outs per run, where Iím using Production to approximate runs (Runs Scored + RBI)/2. Batting outs are simply AB-Hits. So outs per run is (AB-hits)/((Runs Scored + RBI)/2). I like using production here because it deals with actual runs and RBI. Drew tends not to drive in as many runs as one might expect because heís very willing to take a walk in RBI situations. Francoeur probably drives in more runs that one might expect because he puts the ball in play so often in RBI situations. So using production should be favorable to Francoeur.

Since 2005, Francoeurís first season, 163 players accumulated at least 2000 plate appearances. Among those, Albert Pujols spends the fewest outs per run, 3.14. Jason Kendall spends the most, 7.34. J.D. Drew ranks 26th, a run costing him 4.12 outs. Francoeur ranks 107th, a run costing him 5.33 outs. In other words, it costs Francoeur 121 more outs than Drew to produce 100 runs. Thatís four and a half games of outs.

Four and a half games of outs that his teammates donít get to use. Four and a half games of lost opportunities to score. Somehow, that just doesnít seem worth it to me.

flyer85
02-24-2010, 11:16 AM
Willy T ... 163 out of 164. Who would have guessed?

flyer85
02-24-2010, 11:19 AM
Francoeur ranks 107th, a run costing him 5.33 outs. In other words, it costs Francoeur 121 more outs than Drew to produce 100 runs. That’s four and a half games of outs.

Four and a half games of outs that his teammates don’t get to use. Four and a half games of lost opportunities to score. Somehow, that just doesn’t seem worth it to me. Obviously he don't get it, Francouer is a run producer.

TRF
02-24-2010, 11:29 AM
Willy T ... 163 out of 164. Who would have guessed?

wait, there was someone BELOW him?

nate
02-24-2010, 11:35 AM
wait, there was someone BELOW him?

Jason Kendall.

CarolinaRedleg
02-24-2010, 02:10 PM
Reds highlights:

60. Scott Rolen 4.71593
77. Brandon Phillips 5.01775
117. Ramon Hernandez 5.4896
127. Orlando Cabrera 5.63338

edabbs44
02-24-2010, 02:30 PM
Waiting for the obvious question...