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BCubb2003
03-01-2010, 12:10 PM
I don't usually mix business and pleasure, but here's a Q. and A. with C. Trent (can't vouch for the knucklehead asking the questions):

http://blog.syracuse.com/future-news/2010/03/q_and_a_with_c_trent_rosecrans_baseball_beat_write r_at_cnaticom.html

It's mostly about the news business, but here's a baseball-related excerpt:


Where do you stand in the debate over old-school scouting and sabermetrics?

I believe there's a happy medium somewhere, but I lean heavily toward the numbers guys in most arguments. I used to be dead-set against silly acronyms and all that stuff, but then I started reading the reasoning, thought and research behind them. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about sabermetrics. There's the whole "mom's basement" cliche that is just silly and played. At its base, the sabermetrics community is trying to better understand something they enjoy and questioning everything they know. To me, that's healthy thought -- of course, it can be taken to an unhealthy extreme, but it's still good to be out there. I don't know the math, but I enjoy the theory behind it and find it more honest than saying, "well, that's the way it's always been." There are things numbers don't tell you, but at least there's a reasoning behind it.

lollipopcurve
03-01-2010, 12:15 PM
C Trent on the lineup construction debate:


Anyway, back to the lineup, I think I've been on record saying it's the most overrated and over-discussed thing in baseball. Lineup construction, and many studies will show you this, just don't really matter all that much. Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs, but beyond that... bleh, it's just white noise.

Spring~Fields
03-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs

Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)

edabbs44
03-01-2010, 01:27 PM
Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs


Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)

One of the most impressive displays of cherry-picking we've seen in quite a while.

Spring~Fields
03-01-2010, 01:52 PM
One of the most impressive displays of cherry-picking we've seen in quite a while.

Really ? Why is that? I always thought that you were very good at being selective.

seˇlecˇtive [sə léktiv]
adj

2. not universal: applying to some but not others

edabbs44
03-01-2010, 01:54 PM
Really ? Why is that? I always thought that you were very good at being selective.

seˇlecˇtive [sə léktiv]
adj

2. not universal: applying to some but not others

Look at the rest of his quote.

Spring~Fields
03-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Look at the rest of his quote.

How is he doing anything so different from the rest of us? What makes him anymore remarkable or infallible than the rest of us?

nate
03-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)

That's pretty much what the entire debate is about. If all your hitters have similar ability, it doesn't matter where they hit. If they have disparate ability, the better hitters should hit earlier and the "fast guys," "defensive specialists" and pitchers should be hitting later. Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.

Maybe that doesn't matter if you're a second division club. But it matters a lot to one that's on the cusp.

Like the 2010 Reds might be.

Spring~Fields
03-01-2010, 02:39 PM
That's pretty much what the entire debate is about. If all your hitters have similar ability, it doesn't matter where they hit. If they have disparate ability, the better hitters should hit earlier and the "fast guys," "defensive specialists" and pitchers should be hitting later. Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.

Maybe that doesn't matter if you're a second division club. But it matters a lot to one that's on the cusp.

Like the 2010 Reds might be.

Nate you seriously write that so much better than I ever good. I wholely agree with each letter that you have written here. Good Job!

lollipopcurve
03-01-2010, 02:58 PM
Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.

So, hitting Phillips 6th would gain the Reds a few wins?

Ron Madden
03-01-2010, 03:31 PM
So, hitting Phillips 6th would gain the Reds a few wins?

In some situations it could.

(IMHO)

nate
03-01-2010, 03:33 PM
In some situations it could.

(IMHO)

Especially if a better hitter hits in the spot he vacated.

lollipopcurve
03-01-2010, 03:45 PM
Especially if a better hitter hits in the spot he vacated.

Rolen?
Bruce?

Ron Madden
03-01-2010, 03:48 PM
Rolen?
Bruce?


I'd think that would depend on who the opposing starting pitcher is.

Hoosier Red
03-01-2010, 04:23 PM
Not to interrupt a pissing match here but I'd like to take the point to pimp CNATI as much as possible.

C Trent's working his tail off trying to get that site going and it's certainly better to have more voices on the Reds and Tri-State sports.

Go check it out.

http://cnati.com/

Ron Madden
03-01-2010, 04:27 PM
Not to interrupt a pissing match here but I'd like to take the point to pimp CNATI as much as possible.

C Trent's working his tail off trying to get that site going and it's certainly better to have more voices on the Reds and Tri-State sports.

Go check it out.

http://cnati.com/

Pissing match? No. We were having a discussion.

nate
03-01-2010, 04:29 PM
I'd think that would depend on who the opposing starting pitcher is.

To me, it only matters in the case of an extreme platoon split and I'd give Bruce a lot of leeway there as he's getting OJT.

Ron Madden
03-02-2010, 04:18 AM
To me, it only matters in the case of an extreme platoon split and I'd give Bruce a lot of leeway there as he's getting OJT.

I'd be in favor of Bruce hitting cleanup against RH pitching. Put him in there and leave him be, I believe he will do just fine.

nate
03-02-2010, 10:10 AM
I'd be in favor of Bruce hitting cleanup against RH pitching. Put him in there and leave him be, I believe he will do just fine.

I think I'd leave him there for a whole season versus any-handed-pitching.

He's gotta learn to hit LHP at some point. Might as well start now.

lollipopcurve
03-02-2010, 10:20 AM
Bruce has had far more success hitting 5th and 6th (.868 and .902 OPS) than 3rd and 4th (.651 and .549 OPS). I think it's fair to say that he was rushed to the majors.

So, in my book that means you keep the pressure off him until he shows he can do well over an extended period of time. Then you move him.

camisadelgolf
03-02-2010, 11:17 AM
I don't think Bruce was rushed to the majors. He was dominating AAA and forced himself to be called up. He had nothing left to learn at the minor league level.

lollipopcurve
03-02-2010, 11:25 AM
I don't think Bruce was rushed to the majors. He was dominating AAA and forced himself to be called up. He had nothing left to learn at the minor league level.

It's debateable. He had very few ABs between AA and AAA before being promoted (less than a season's worth). What isn't debateable is that he has struggled quite a bit in the majors, and most of those struggles took place when he was hitting 3rd/4th. I'd keep him away from those spots for awhile. He's still young and just a handful of September ABs removed from the bad times.