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Chip R
03-03-2010, 12:02 PM
http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/harang-named-opening-day-starter.html

OnBaseMachine
03-03-2010, 12:08 PM
I like the decision to start Harang.

Harang will start Opening Day
Posted by jfay March 3rd, 2010, 10:19 am

After all the talk and deliberation, Aaron Harang will start Opening Day after all.

Dusty Baker and Bryan Price reached the decision after talking to Harang and Bronson Arroyo. The rotation will be Harang, Johnny Cueto, Arroyo, Homer Bailey and the the fifth starter.

Arroyo did not want to start Opening Day.

“Nobody’s more honest than Bronson,” Baker said. “It might not be what you want to hear but he won’t give you bull. I love that.”

Harang, on the other hand, likes the job. “He pitches his best against No. 1s,” Baker said.

It will be Harang’s fifth straight start on Opening Day.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/

bucksfan2
03-03-2010, 12:29 PM
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much. But I don't really think a guy who over the past 2 season's is 12-31 deserves to be the opening day starter. I guess Game 1 is when Harang gets his shot to prove he is back.

Caveat Emperor
03-03-2010, 12:33 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter all that much, but based on performance alone from 2009, the pick should have been Bronson Arroyo.

But, if he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it. Given his *ahem* "reputation" for enjoying the spirits and the nightlife around town, I'm cool with him missing a day game start whenever possible. ;)

nate
03-03-2010, 12:36 PM
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much. But I don't really think a guy who over the past 2 season's is 12-31 deserves to be the opening day starter. I guess Game 1 is when Harang gets his shot to prove he is back.

He should've hit better in those games he lost.

RedEye
03-03-2010, 12:37 PM
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much. But I don't really think a guy who over the past 2 season's is 12-31 deserves to be the opening day starter. I guess Game 1 is when Harang gets his shot to prove he is back.

W-L record, I'm sure, was not the only consideration.

OnBaseMachine
03-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Harang will start Opening Day (update with reaction)
Posted by jfay March 3rd, 2010, 10:19 am

After all the talk and deliberation, Aaron Harang will start Opening Day after all.

Dusty Baker and Bryan Price reached the decision after talking to Harang and Bronson Arroyo. The rotation will be Harang, Johnny Cueto, Arroyo, Homer Bailey and the fifth starter.

“I know it’s not a popular decision,” Baker said.

The decision was not an easy one.

“Me and Bryan sat down and talked and we wrestled with it big time,” Baker said. “I talked to Arroyo and Harang. Some of the mannerisms and things I came away with is that Harang is No. 1 for what we need, confidence wise. He’s throwing the ball great.”

Arroyo did not want to start Opening Day.

“Nobody’s more honest than Bronson,” Baker said. “It might not be what you want to hear but he won’t give you bull. I love that.”

Harang, on the other hand, likes the job. “He pitches his best against No. 1s,” Baker said.

It will be Harang’s fifth straight start on Opening Day. Pete Donuhue and Mario only other Reds to start five in a row. Donohue started 1923 through 1927, Soto 1982 through 1986. Soto’s six Opening Day start are the most of anyone.

Harang made it clear he wanted the start.

“I went in and told Bake: I want the ball. If you’re giving it to anybody, I want it. We talked about it. Everybody talks about matchups. After the first week of the season matchups don’t mean anything. Rotations get changed up all the time.”

When Baker wavered on naming Harang the Opening Day starter at the beginning of camp, Arroyo made it clear he didn’t want the start.

“Dusty said he read the article where I said if I had my choice I’d rather not start the opener,” Arroyo said. “I told him it was true. But I throw whenever you me to. Whatever is best for the team.”

Arroyo is not doing that merely out of personal preference.

“I honestly thing Aaron is better equipped to make the start,” Arroyo said. “He’s going to be 90 to 92 with his slider, even when he’s off. My bad days tend to be really bad.”

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/

OnBaseMachine
03-03-2010, 01:21 PM
"I said if it's out there, I want the ball. I want to be your guy," Harang said he told Baker. "[Bronson and I] both talked about it before we even went in there. I wasn't over there trying to make him feel different.

"Do I think Bronson deserves to start Opening Day? Yeah, definitely for what he's shown the past couple of years."

"If I had my choice, I'd rather pitch two or three," Arroyo said. "Cincinnati is one of the few places that Opening Day is really like a holiday. For that reason, it's probably a little tough to concentrate on that day. There's so much stuff going on. I'd rather enjoy that day, soak in all the festivities and pitch the next day or day after that."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/harang_for_opening_day.html

edabbs44
03-03-2010, 01:32 PM
"I said if it's out there, I want the ball. I want to be your guy," Harang said he told Baker. "[Bronson and I] both talked about it before we even went in there. I wasn't over there trying to make him feel different.

"Do I think Bronson deserves to start Opening Day? Yeah, definitely for what he's shown the past couple of years."

"If I had my choice, I'd rather pitch two or three," Arroyo said. "Cincinnati is one of the few places that Opening Day is really like a holiday. For that reason, it's probably a little tough to concentrate on that day. There's so much stuff going on. I'd rather enjoy that day, soak in all the festivities and pitch the next day or day after that."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/harang_for_opening_day.html

Dear Bronson, your #1 goal is to put the team in its best position to win. Not to soak in the festivities.

Just wanted to make sure you knew.

Edd Roush
03-03-2010, 01:36 PM
First of all, let me say that I love this move. Irregardless of how he has performed the last couple years, Harang remains the best pitcher that I remember. I was only a toddler when Jose Rijo was in his prime and the trade that brought Harang to the Reds from the A's was right when I was starting high school. Harang was the best pitcher the Reds had for four years until the infamous game in San Diego. If this is truly Harang's last year as a Red, I personally would like to cheer him on for Opening Day.

As for pushing Arroyo off of Opening Day because he does not pitch well in day games, making him the third starter isn't helping much. The Reds are playing a day game the third game of the year, but I do think Arroyo will be more effective between the flame throwers Cueto and Bailey.

CTA513
03-03-2010, 01:39 PM
It was going to be Harang or Arroyo and Arroyo made the decision easy once he said he wasn't interested in it.

Tom Servo
03-03-2010, 01:40 PM
I'm fine with this.

Bumstead
03-03-2010, 01:51 PM
Seems like a non-event to me. Put your leader and workhorse (assuming health :eek:) out there the first game; after that game, the #1 starters are all shuffled around anyway. Harang is comfortable in that position and Bronson admittedly is not. The Reds top 3 pitchers are all good enough to make that start so put the guy out there that wants it the most.

Bum

Eric_the_Red
03-03-2010, 01:53 PM
I'm more interested if the temperature will be 60 and above or 50 and below. Nothing better than having a sunny day on Opening Day!

RANDY IN INDY
03-03-2010, 01:55 PM
I like the fact that Arroyo follows Cueto and is followed by Bailey. Good place for him to pitch.

SirFelixCat
03-03-2010, 02:01 PM
I like the fact that Arroyo follows Cueto and is followed by Bailey. Good place for him to pitch.

Agreed.

While BA deserves the OD start, and, imo, he would have gotten it if he had said that he wanted to pitch instead of saying he'd prefer not to, I think this is the correct move. BA was honest enough to say he didn't want to pitch and just enjoy OD, so good for him and absolutely nothing wrong w/ that. I'd much rather him be upfront that he might not be as focused as he would on the 2nd or 3rd game vs getting destroyed OD.

OnBaseMachine
03-03-2010, 02:10 PM
Arroyo didn’t refuse the start
Posted by jfay March 3rd, 2010, 12:38 pm

Bronson Arroyo didn’t turn down the Opening Day start. Here’s what happened:

“(Dusty Baker) said he’d read the article where I said if I had my choice, I’d rather be in the 2 hole. I said, ‘yeah, that’s true.’ He said, ‘what do you think about throwing in 1 hole?’ I said, ‘I’ll throw wherever you want. It doesn’t matter to me.’ He said he was going to talk to Aaron and make his decision. Aaron said he felt good and wanted to pitch. (Baker) made his decision based on that.”

Arroyo was just being honest, as he always is.

“I’d rather enjoy that day and soak in all the festivities,” Arroyo said, “then pitch the next day or the day after that. It’s not a big deal for me to pitch in the 1 hole. I pitched in the 5 hole in Boston. I ended up throwing against five No. 1s in one season. Once you get a rainout, one off day, somebody’s a little sore and they get bumped back a day, matchups don’t matter — until you get to the playoffs.

And Arroyo said again that he thinks Harang is better suited for the start.

“I’ve always said no matter what his record is the last couple of years, Aaron is better equipped in that role anyway. His stuff never changes. On the days he doesn’t succeed, he’s still 90, 92 with his slider. He doesn’t vary a lot. For me, I feel like when my days are bad, they’re really, really bad. My stuff isn’t as consistent.”

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/

LincolnparkRed
03-03-2010, 02:17 PM
He should've hit better in those games he lost. He did hit the one homer last year

Hoosier Red
03-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Dear Bronson, your #1 goal is to put the team in its best position to win. Not to soak in the festivities.

Just wanted to make sure you knew.

I'm pretty sure he's doing both. He lets a steady eddie type pitch on Opening Day which puts the team in the best position, he pitches in the three hole which puts the team in the best position, and he gets to enjoy the festivities. Everybody wins.

nate
03-03-2010, 02:37 PM
He did hit the one homer last year

He should've hit 100!

Then he'd have a perfect record.

Unless he did it all in one game.

:cool:

Kc61
03-03-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm pretty sure he's doing both. He lets a steady eddie type pitch on Opening Day which puts the team in the best position. . . . Everybody wins.

Well, hopefully the Reds do. Steady eddie has allowed 59 homers in the last two seasons, both of which were shorten by injury/illness.

OnBaseMachine
03-03-2010, 03:18 PM
C. Trent has video of Harang talking about being named the Opening Day starter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7gTjPNr9cU&feature=player_embedded#

Unassisted
03-03-2010, 03:32 PM
Given Bronson's history of underperforming in the spring, it makes sense to let him underperform as the #2 or #3 starter early in the season. Shuffle the rotation and move him up at Memorial Day or the ASB, if it's justified.

klw
03-03-2010, 03:35 PM
I don't care if Arroyo pitches 1st, 3rd or 5th as long as he doesn't pitch against Toronto again as long as he is a Red.

steig
03-03-2010, 06:12 PM
I don't have a problem with the order of the rotation but I would rather run Cueto out on opening day than Harang. I think he gives the Reds a better chance to win than Harang. We have not even seen results from Harang in a spring training game at this point.

Ron Madden
03-04-2010, 05:40 AM
OK by me, I was expecting Harang to get the nod all along.

GAC
03-04-2010, 05:54 AM
This will be Aaron's 5th OD start. The Reds are just 1-3 in Harang's previous 4 Opening Day starts, with Harang taking the decision in all 4 games.

2006 vs Cubs.... lost 16-7
2007 vs Cubs... won 5-1
2008 vs D'Backs.... lost 4-2
2009 vs Mets.... lost 2-1

mth123
03-04-2010, 06:10 AM
This will be Aaron's 5th OD start. The Reds are just 1-3 in Harang's previous 4 Opening Day starts, with Harang taking the decision in all 4 games.

2006 vs Cubs.... lost 16-7
2007 vs Cubs... won 5-1
2008 vs D'Backs.... lost 4-2
2009 vs Mets.... lost 2-1

The Reds haven't been very good over that time period. Not a shock really. The other team is throwing their best guy on opening day too.

reds44
03-04-2010, 06:22 AM
I wanted Cueto to get it just on awesomeness factor, but I knew that wasn't likely.

I have no problem with Harang getting the ball. Doesn't really mean a whole lot either way.

Razor Shines
03-04-2010, 11:37 AM
I think it's nice for Aaron to get it this year. It'll probably be the last year for him no matter how well he pitches this year, I honestly think next year will be a no brainer and it will be Bailey.

TRF
03-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Harang's 2009 season was better than his W-L record. his last four stats:

Aug 20 SF W 2-1 7.0 6 1 1 0 2 4 7 16 90 29 63 - - 4.21
Aug 14 WAS L 2-0 7.0 6 2 2 2 3 6 4 16 115 29 60 L(6-14) - 4.35
Aug 9 @SF W 5-2 7.0 7 2 2 0 2 7 10 10 104 29 60 W(6-13) - 4.43
Aug 3 CHC L 4-2 7.1 6 4 4 1 2 10 5 12 114 30 58 L(5-13) - 4.52
Monthly Totals 28.1 25 9 9 3 9 27 26 54 423 117 -- 1-2 0 sv 2.86

He was turning it around. As it is, he led the team in K's, K/9, his BB rate was in line for his career, and he was on pace for another 200 IP year. The appendix was just bad luck, and while he earned more than a few of those losses, He'd have likely ended with a sub 4.00 ERA for the season.

The benefit of him missing that time was the development of Bailey and possibly Maloney.

RED VAN HOT
03-05-2010, 09:17 PM
I am not buying that Bronson Arroyo did not want to start opening day. I think he recognized that it meant more to Harang, and possibly the team. Good for Bronson. It's not as if he were refusing the starting assignment of the seventh game of the world series.