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redsmetz
03-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Redreporter mentioned this article on Twitter about Drew Sutton working with the same person as the Rays' Ben Zobrist.

A snippet:

When interviewing Cevallos about Zobrist, I asked him how many home runs Zobrist could hit if given enough playing time. Cevallos said he would hit 30 home runs. Zobrist came up just short with 27. I recently contacted Cevallos about Sutton, and asked him a similar question: If given 600 at-bats, how many home runs would Sutton hit? Cevallos said, 25. He also noted that while both players had similar power, Zobrist's swing would lead to a higher batting average, but Sutton's stroke could produce a lot of doubles.

http://bloombergsports.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/is-drew-sutton-the-next-ben-zobrist.html

lollipopcurve
03-10-2010, 08:46 AM
Very interesting. Sutton really is eerily similar to Zobrist.

He needs more opportunities than Baker has had a tendency to give him.

TRF
03-10-2010, 08:55 AM
Zobrist was in a good situation for him. The Rays 2B, Iwamura got hurt leading to more PT than he would have gotten otherwise. Had that not happened he'd have likely had about the same number of AB's as Gomes.

Sutton is at least 3rd on the depth chart at SS, and probably 3rd at 2B behind Janish IF Janish makes the 25 man roster(I think he will). But he's more likely the next Keppinger than he is the next Zobrist.

lollipopcurve
03-10-2010, 09:00 AM
But he's more likely the next Keppinger than he is the next Zobrist.

Sure. But as a player he bears more similarity to Zobrist.

TRF
03-10-2010, 09:19 AM
Keppinger played all over the IF, LF and RF as a Red. He's got less power than Zobrist to be sure, and oddly enough Iwamura, the guy Zobrist essentially replaced, is one of the guys Keppinger profiles as most similar according to baseball-reference.com.

But baseball is about opportunities. Is Sutton's defense at SS good enough to stick if OC goes down? It certainly won't be better than Janish'. 2B or 3B sound like good spots for him, but that would require a trade or injury to two GG winners. Does he profile to be a better MLB player than Frazier, Heisey, Francisco or Valaika? Because unless the Reds feel he will, he's Keppinger redux by default. His best bet for a career as a starter is a trade, because I just don't see the opportunity for him. That said, I want him on the 25 man roster. It'd be nice to have a good bench player for a change.

lollipopcurve
03-10-2010, 09:26 AM
His best bet for a career as a starter is a trade, because I just don't see the opportunity for him. That said, I want him on the 25 man roster. It'd be nice to have a good bench player for a change.

Pretty much agree across the board. I think the guy could emerge as an interesting player, but it looks unlikely in Cincy. Unfortunately.

redsmetz
03-10-2010, 09:33 AM
Keppinger played all over the IF, LF and RF as a Red. He's got less power than Zobrist to be sure, and oddly enough Iwamura, the guy Zobrist essentially replaced, is one of the guys Keppinger profiles as most similar according to baseball-reference.com.

But baseball is about opportunities. Is Sutton's defense at SS good enough to stick if OC goes down? It certainly won't be better than Janish'. 2B or 3B sound like good spots for him, but that would require a trade or injury to two GG winners. Does he profile to be a better MLB player than Frazier, Heisey, Francisco or Valaika? Because unless the Reds feel he will, he's Keppinger redux by default. His best bet for a career as a starter is a trade, because I just don't see the opportunity for him. That said, I want him on the 25 man roster. It'd be nice to have a good bench player for a change.

That may well be the situation facing the Reds. In fact, it may well starting playing out with a number of players as our young guys continue to develop. It's not a bad spot to be in.

mbgrayson
03-10-2010, 10:14 AM
Let’s look at the stats:

Ben Zobrist, switch hitter, 6' 3", 200 pounds, drafted by the Houston Astros

2006 AA/AAA Age 25 463 PAs .323/.428/.456 for an OPS of .883, 3 Hrs, 28 2Bs
2006 MLB Age 25 198 PAs .224/.260/.311 for an OPS of .572, 2HRs, 6 2Bs
2007 AAA Age 26 276 PAs .279/.403/.455 for an OPS of .858, 7 Hrs, 14 2Bs
2007 MLB Age 26 105 PAs, .155/.184/.206 for an OPS of .391, 1 HR, 2 2Bs
2008 MLB Age 27 227 PAs, .253/.339/.505 for an OPS of .844, 12 Hrs, 10 2Bs
2009 MLB Age 28 599 PAs, .297/.405/.543 for an OPS of .948, 27 Hrs, 28 2Bs


Drew Sutton, switch hitter, 6' 3", 185 pounds, drafted by the Houston Astros

2008 AA Age 25 606 PAS, .317/.408/.523 for OPS of .931, 20 Hrs, 39 2Bs
2009 AAA Age 26 208 PAS, .262/.382/.453 for OPS of .835, 5 Hrs, 14 2Bs
2009 MLB Age 26 76 PAS, . 212/.297/.348 For OPS of .646, 1 HR, 4 2Bs

Very interesting similarities....

Blitz Dorsey
03-10-2010, 03:53 PM
I know the Reds are on the hook for $1.3 mil for Aaron Miles either way ... but I am hoping it's Sutton that wins the utility INF job and Miles is released.

Will M
03-10-2010, 04:16 PM
I know the Reds are on the hook for $1.3 mil for Aaron Miles either way ... but I am hoping it's Sutton that wins the utility INF job and Miles is released.

:thumbup:

CesarGeronimo
03-10-2010, 05:54 PM
I'd rather they keep Sutton as well, but besides his contract I think Miles also has the upper hand because he's a former Cardinal that Jocketty seems to like and he hit .317 in St. Louis in 2008.

corkedbat
03-10-2010, 06:25 PM
Does Sutton have any options left. I'm interested in seeing how sutton bounces back from mono too. I hope he makes it as one of the two reserve INFs coming out of camp, but it might not be bad to get him a month or two of regular ABs if he doesn't.

RedsManRick
03-10-2010, 08:23 PM
Sutton definitely fits the profile of somebody who really deserves an opportunity but isn't quite impressive enough to push his way past higher ceiling guys. I think we all hope he gets a chance in the majors sooner rather than later.

IslandRed
03-10-2010, 09:48 PM
Zobrist is a weird case because this 30-home-run power he supposedly has, and nearly had last year, comes after never hitting double digits in home runs in his pro career until age 27. Power often develops late, but I don't think it's playing the odds to expect that kind of jump from Sutton or anyone else.

PuffyPig
03-10-2010, 10:08 PM
I know the Reds are on the hook for $1.3 mil for Aaron Miles either way ... but I am hoping it's Sutton that wins the utility INF job and Miles is released.

MIles is making $2.7M in 2010.

Blitz Dorsey
03-10-2010, 11:00 PM
MIles is making $2.7M in 2010.

That's right ... in my mind it was $1.3 mil because I was subtracting the $2.7 mil from the $4 mil they would've owed Taveras.

membengal
06-30-2014, 08:01 AM
Searched for "Zobrist" in ORG thread titles, and this popped up. Only "Zobrist" mention in a thread title (altho I know he has come up a ton in trade idea threads over the years).

I am bumping it because...Drew Sutton! I had totally forgotten about him.

Also, in any event, as I mentioned in another thread...my mind is returning to Zobrist again and again at this point. He is exactly what this Club needs, could start in LF on the days he is not giving Votto time off, or giving Phillips or Frazier time off. He would be a great fit offensively, and would deepen the bench by pushing Schu and Luwick to the bench more regularly. He's a switch-hitter, and even with diminished power the last few years, still gets on base in the .350 range. And I suspect that a summer in GABP would help him regain some slugging.

I know he would cost a lot from Tampa - a team that knows how to trade, but, man, I sit here this morning hoping/wishing the Reds would pursue him and bag him. Not at any cost, but I, for one, would not mind seeing them pay a fairly dear cost, particularly with them just having further strengthened the organization pitching depth with latest Cuban signing. And, at 33, it's not like Tampa could get anything they want for him.

His career (he's played games at all spots on the diamond except for C):

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zobribe01.shtml

OGB
06-30-2014, 11:36 PM
Id do this in a heartbeat if the price was right.

PepperJack
06-30-2014, 11:46 PM
I will always look back fondly at Sutton, and remember that time he hit a GS against the Astros.


Also, I like Zobrist, and would be interested at the right price.

camisadelgolf
07-02-2014, 01:43 PM
Zobrist is toast.

NeilHamburger
07-02-2014, 01:58 PM
The only place I think he would be a significant upgrade offensively is shortstop. If you think the can still play SS regularly then he is a good target.

sdwagers
07-02-2014, 03:10 PM
Id do this in a heartbeat if the price was right.


any thoughts on what the price would be ?

Johnny Footstool
07-02-2014, 03:17 PM
I remember a discussion a couple of years ago involving Ben Zobrist's power boom and the possibility of PED use.

RedEye
07-02-2014, 09:10 PM
Can I just say that I love this thread title? I'm sure the question seemed rational at the time...

Tom Servo
07-02-2014, 11:05 PM
I am willing to stick my neck out and go on record to say that no, Drew Sutton is not the next Ben Zobrist.

Drugs Delaney
07-03-2014, 04:07 PM
He'd be a very useful bench guy who would likely OPS over .750 in the NL at GABP.

However, he's making $7M this year and has a $500k buyout after the season as well. Is he worth paying $4M for half a season and giving up assets to acquire?

I'd say maybe something minor, but I wouldn't give up a top 10 prospect for him.

membengal
07-06-2014, 02:45 PM
Has anyone brought me Ben Zobrist yet to play LF and back-up/fill-in for Votto at 1b?

dougdirt
07-06-2014, 02:47 PM
Has anyone brought me Ben Zobrist yet to play LF and back-up/fill-in for Votto at 1b?

Yes.

membengal
07-06-2014, 02:50 PM
Yes.

Awesome!