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Benihana
03-17-2010, 12:53 AM
Who would you want as the 5th starter?

Scrap Irony
03-17-2010, 12:55 AM
I'd go Maloney until Chapman proved he was ready, both physically and emotionally. But I also wouldn't be afraid to call Chapman's number.

(Nor Leake's, for that matter.)

Blitz Dorsey
03-17-2010, 01:16 AM
If his contract was not a factor, it would clearly be Chapman for me. But as is ... hmmm, will have to think about it. I bet Maloney will win the job initially and keep the seat warm for Chapman, but the poll question is who do you WANT to win the job, not who do you THINK will win the job. I want Chapman to win it but I also don't want his contract to be negatively affected from the Reds' standpoint. So, I'm torn here and not quite sure how to answer this poll.

And I wonder where you suddenly got the idea to start a poll on the No. 5 starter and a poll on Dickerson v Stubbs! Haha. Or maybe it is a coincidence that I started a thread with those same topics an hour before yours. Just givin' you a hard time my Evan Turner/Jim Tressel hating friend.

SirFelixCat
03-17-2010, 01:19 AM
Maloney.

Chapman, imo, needs time to acclimate in AAA (not to mention his contract situation dictates he HAS to stay in the minors til May 15, right?) and Leake should be starting most of the year at AAA as well until one of BA or AH are traded or injury. Otherwise, he should spend the season in the minors and he'll make the club next spring.

reds44
03-17-2010, 01:48 AM
Chapman is the best pitcher.

Whether or not his contact will allow it or not, we'll see.

TheNext44
03-17-2010, 02:13 AM
Leake.

His has the best stuff next to Chapman and is far more polished and poised than anyone else. He seems like a real smart kid who is way ahead of most other players intellectually and emotionally. He pitches like he's a ten year veteran. The only issue is if he is strong enough to go deep into games.

reds44
03-17-2010, 02:14 AM
Leake.

His has the best stuff next to Chapman and is far more polished and poised than anyone else. He seems like a real smart kid who is way ahead of most other players intellectually and emotionally. He pitches like he's a ten year veteran. The only issue is if he is strong enough to go deep into games.
This would be my second choice.

Edd Roush
03-17-2010, 09:03 AM
I second Blitz. My heart wants Chapman, but my brain says it would be a bad deal for the Reds.

Strikes Out Looking
03-17-2010, 09:05 AM
I vote for MM-- I like Chapman and Leake, but I don't think there is any reason to rush them and push the arbitration clock. We'll see both this year (no way the 5 pitchers in the rotation don't miss starts/go on dl) and the coming years.

bucksfan2
03-17-2010, 09:42 AM
Ive come around to Maloney. He may be the most refined young pitcher the Reds have right now.

RedsManRick
03-17-2010, 10:09 AM
Maloney
- He's as ready as he's ever going to be.
- Projection systems suggest he could be a solid 4.50-4.75 ERA type guy.
- Even if Leake/Wood/Chapman are the long term solutions, Maloney is trade bait and starting a bit would help increase his value.

TRF
03-17-2010, 10:28 AM
If the ASB rolls around, and Chapman is tearing up AAA AND Maloney has a sub 4.00 ERA, what would you do? This assumes no problems with the health/performance of the rest of the rotation.

medford
03-17-2010, 11:05 AM
If the ASB rolls around, and Chapman is tearing up AAA AND Maloney has a sub 4.00 ERA, what would you do? This assumes no problems with the health/performance of the rest of the rotation.

Don't forget, that is about when Volquez is due to return. I don't know what you do, but it would be a nice problem to have. Ultimately, w/ Chapman and Leake both close to the majors, and homer & Cueto already there, plus guys like Maloney and woods who are close and potential solid major league starters added to Volquez getting healthy not to mention Arroyo and Harang, someone's going to get dealt this season no matter how well the Reds are or are not doing.

to answer your question, if the top 4 are performing as expected (or at least as hoped) and maloney is a sub 4.00 ERA and Chapman is tearing things up and Volquez is about to come off the DL, I think Chapman comes up and works out of the pen the rest of the season until someone is either injuried or traded. My assumption is Volquez goes on a rehap sting under that scenerio, and extended one (is 30 days the longest possible for a pitcher) then reclaims his roll as a starter and Maloney moves to the Pen.

If all that happens, then its probably safe to say that neither Harang or Arroyo are here next year. Either they're traded, or their options are not picked up. I'll also assume that either Cueto, Maloney or Volquez are moved, possible Wood as well and Chapman, Homer, Leake and 2 of the 4 above are your projected starting 5 for several seasons to come.

medford
03-17-2010, 11:10 AM
to the original question,

My heart wants to see Chapman start out here, but my head would like to see him get at least half a season of training down in AAA w/ Soto hanging by his side. I'd like to Leake get at least a season of minor league ball w/ perhaps a september call up. I'd like to see Wood get a full season in AAA this year, which leaves me w/ Maloney who I voted for to keep the seat warm until either Volquez is healthy or one of those mentioned above slams the door open.

TRF
03-17-2010, 11:13 AM
Don't forget, that is about when Volquez is due to return. I don't know what you do, but it would be a nice problem to have. Ultimately, w/ Chapman and Leake both close to the majors, and homer & Cueto already there, plus guys like Maloney and woods who are close and potential solid major league starters added to Volquez getting healthy not to mention Arroyo and Harang, someone's going to get dealt this season no matter how well the Reds are or are not doing.

to answer your question, if the top 4 are performing as expected (or at least as hoped) and maloney is a sub 4.00 ERA and Chapman is tearing things up and Volquez is about to come off the DL, I think Chapman comes up and works out of the pen the rest of the season until someone is either injuried or traded. My assumption is Volquez goes on a rehap sting under that scenerio, and extended one (is 30 days the longest possible for a pitcher) then reclaims his roll as a starter and Maloney moves to the Pen.

If all that happens, then its probably safe to say that neither Harang or Arroyo are here next year. Either they're traded, or their options are not picked up. I'll also assume that either Cueto, Maloney or Volquez are moved, possible Wood as well and Chapman, Homer, Leake and 2 of the 4 above are your projected starting 5 for several seasons to come.

I think the only person expecting Volquez to be back by the ASB is Volquez. I don't expect him before September. I'd rather he got maybe 2-3 starts then and get ready for 2011.

Homer Bailey
03-17-2010, 11:17 AM
Is our rotation really so loaded that I completely forgot about Edinson Volquez? Strange days...

bucksfan2
03-17-2010, 11:18 AM
Don't forget, that is about when Volquez is due to return. I don't know what you do, but it would be a nice problem to have. Ultimately, w/ Chapman and Leake both close to the majors, and homer & Cueto already there, plus guys like Maloney and woods who are close and potential solid major league starters added to Volquez getting healthy not to mention Arroyo and Harang, someone's going to get dealt this season no matter how well the Reds are or are not doing.

to answer your question, if the top 4 are performing as expected (or at least as hoped) and maloney is a sub 4.00 ERA and Chapman is tearing things up and Volquez is about to come off the DL, I think Chapman comes up and works out of the pen the rest of the season until someone is either injuried or traded. My assumption is Volquez goes on a rehap sting under that scenerio, and extended one (is 30 days the longest possible for a pitcher) then reclaims his roll as a starter and Maloney moves to the Pen.

If all that happens, then its probably safe to say that neither Harang or Arroyo are here next year. Either they're traded, or their options are not picked up. I'll also assume that either Cueto, Maloney or Volquez are moved, possible Wood as well and Chapman, Homer, Leake and 2 of the 4 above are your projected starting 5 for several seasons to come.

If it were up to me Volquez would come back this season in the pen. I don't think it will do the club much good to bring him back in the rotation right after TJ surgery.

As for Chapman I see no way he is in the pen. The Reds aren't going to use him as a starter for the majority of the the season and then move him into the pen in August. With the amount of money invested in him I would imagine he is a starting pitcher 1st and a reliever if he fails as a starter.

As for the original question if Chapman is tearing up AAA and Maloney is right around a 4.00 ERA what do you do? I don't really know but I know that would be a very positive thing. I do think with all the impressive young pitchers the Reds have one of Harang or Arroyo, or even both, are not here next season. But then again this is just spring training and I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves.

Benihana
03-17-2010, 11:23 AM
Can you imagine if somehow Wells or Lehr wins the #5 job, and Louisville sports a rotation of:

1. Maloney
2. Leake
3. Wood
4. Chapman
5. Lehr/Wells (whichever isn't the #5)

I mean, wow. Would that be the scariest rotation in the history of the minor leagues?

Plus Plus
03-17-2010, 01:47 PM
Chapman. Forget the contract- this kid can pitch. Give your team the best chance to win a lot of games by putting the best players on the field, or on the mound in this case.

flyer85
03-17-2010, 01:56 PM
seems the best of the bunch are Chapman and Leake. However, I think it is likely to be Maloney or Wood.

WebScorpion
03-17-2010, 11:27 PM
It's been said before: Coddle Thy Pitchers. Maloney is the one whose time has come. Wood, Leake, and Chapman need more coddling no matter how they do in spring training. Lehr and Wells are plan B and C,...as alluded to earlier, they may have a hard time holding on to the 5th starter slot in AAA. :eek: The best AAA performer becomes our injury insurance. As long as Maloney doesn't fall apart in ST, he's my guy. When Volquez returns he goes on a rehab assignment, then to the ML bullpen...the only way he starts in the majors in 2010 is if we need him in October/November and he proves he's at full strength...a fresh horse would be nice if the season is extended. ;) Wood, Leake, and/or Chapman could knock down the door this season, but that just frees us up to trade someone for a need at midseason. We appear to be well situated for the best season of Reds pitching in my (almost half a century) lifetime. :thumbup:

klw
03-17-2010, 11:31 PM
For those of you wanting it to be Lincoln (and it is time for you to go to be ma Lincoln), Lincoln is going back to the pen.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/03/17/lincoln-to-the-bullpen-new-pitch-for-chapman/

redsfandan
03-19-2010, 09:37 AM
Chapman. Forget the contract- this kid can pitch. Give your team the best chance to win a lot of games by putting the best players on the field, or on the mound in this case.
I'd rather look at the big picture. If Chapman spends some time in the minors it's more likely to help him than hurt him. And if the Reds bring him up to the majors right away, not only will the arbitration clock start early, but he'll also become a free agent a year sooner than if they wait. I bet he'll be a better major league starting pitcher in 2016 than he will be in April 2010. And Chapman with major league experience would likely help the Reds win more in a full 2016 season than an inexperienced Chapman would in the first month of the 2010 season.

So, I'd rather let him start in the minors and if he's ready mid-season bring him up then so the Reds can control his rights for an extra year. The risk would also be minimized that he'd be up too early when he's not ready. He's pitching well in spring training. But that doesn't mean that he'd be able to pitch as well a month from now in regular season games that count. Alot of the batters he'd be facing then would be trying ALOT harder than they are now.

toledodan
03-19-2010, 11:58 AM
as a reds fan i'm tired of the arbitration clock talk. if the kid has the talent to pitch i want him in that spot. you know 2012 is around the corner and i want the reds to win the damn thing before the end of the world.:D