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OnBaseMachine
03-19-2010, 03:52 PM
From Mark Sheldon:


MLB.com recently convened a five-person committee to formulate, position-by-position, top candidates for a Reds team of the decade.

Not far from Great American Ball Park at a Skyline Chili restaurant in Covington, Ky., amid three-ways, cheese coneys and extra helpings of oyster crackers, Reds media relations director Rob Butcher, his assistants Jamie Ramsey and Larry Herms and clubhouse/equipment manager Rick Stowe hashed out their picks. A fifth member of the crew, television analyst Chris Welsh, could not attend and was reached later by phone for his picks.


Reds All-Decade team

C Jason LaRue
1B Sean Casey
2B Brandon Phillips
SS Barry Larkin
3B Aaron Boone
OF Adam Dunn
OF Ken Griffey Jr.
OF Austin Kearns

SP Aaron Harang
SP Bronson Arroyo
SP Elmer Dessens
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Paul Wilson

SU David Weathers
CL Danny Graves

MGR Dusty Baker

Full article:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100223&content_id=8120708&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Degenerate39
03-19-2010, 03:57 PM
You know you've had bad managers when apparently Baker is the best you've had in a decade

TheNext44
03-19-2010, 03:58 PM
Line up is not bad, but wow, what a lousy rotation for an all decade team.

Elmer Dessens? All decade? Might as well have Jimmy Haynes or Jeff Austin or Jose Acevedo on the all decade team.

Kinda explains why the Reds haven't had a winning season since 2000.

reds44
03-19-2010, 04:50 PM
You know you've had bad managers when apparently Baker is the best you've had in a decade
Honestly, I think he was.

Joseph
03-19-2010, 04:52 PM
How long was McKeon here?

Degenerate39
03-19-2010, 04:53 PM
How long was McKeon here?

His last season was 99 wasn't it?

westofyou
03-19-2010, 05:02 PM
How long was McKeon here?

Mid 97 until 2000

klw
03-19-2010, 05:29 PM
Pete Mc wasn't bad though he wasn't here long enough for me to remember how to spell his last name.

M2
03-19-2010, 05:35 PM
Elmer Dessens? All decade? Might as well have Jimmy Haynes or Jeff Austin or Jose Acevedo on the all decade team.

Dessens actually pitched pretty well for the Reds.

28-27, 3.94, 530.1 IP, 115 ERA+

Never got the appreciation he deserved for being a capable pitcher in the middle of a trash pitching staff. He's easily in the top three for the decade.

And why not Jimmy Haynes instead of Paul Wilson? Both graded out as bad pitchers over the long haul, but Haynes had best single season performance between the two.

RedsManRick
03-19-2010, 05:48 PM
You know your rotation is bad when a guy with 1.5 years of experience is on your all-decade team. At least Cueto had 2 full seasons.

TheNext44
03-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Dessens actually pitched pretty well for the Reds.

28-27, 3.94, 530.1 IP, 115 ERA+

Never got the appreciation he deserved for being a capable pitcher in the middle of a trash pitching staff. He's easily in the top three for the decade.

And why not Jimmy Haynes instead of Paul Wilson? Both graded out as bad pitchers over the long haul, but Haynes had best single season performance between the two.

He was the Ace of the staff, with decent production when he was here, with one very solid, if lucky year, but I would think that an all decade pitching staff would be made up of 5 #1 or #2 starters. Dessens with his 5 K/9, is at best a #3 and most likely a guy who belongs as a swingman in the bullpen.

I seriously doubt that any other team other than the Pirates or Royals would have a guy as average as Dessens on their all decade team. We are talking about the top 5 starters out of 30-50 pitchers.

And I agree about Wilson, but really between Wilson, Haynes and Dessens, and even Volquez, none of them should be anywhere near an All Decade team.

M2
03-19-2010, 08:30 PM
And I agree about Wilson, but really between Wilson, Haynes and Dessens, and even Volquez, none of them should be anywhere near an All Decade team.

It was a dogmeat decade to be sure.

Without looking, I suspect Dessens' years in Cincinnati also would get him on the Rangers' all-decade team, the Expos/Nats, the Rockies and possibly the Mets.

OnBaseMachine
03-19-2010, 08:40 PM
I'd put Cueto on the list before Paul Wilson.

Paul Wilson

3-years, 20-21, 4.88 ERA, 86 ERA+, 2.9 BB/9, 5.4 K/9

Johnny Cueto

2-years, 20-25, 4.61 ERA, 94 ERA+, 3.4 BB/9, 7.6 K/9

M2
03-19-2010, 08:56 PM
I'd put Cueto on the list before Paul Wilson.

Paul Wilson

3-years, 20-21, 4.88 ERA, 86 ERA+, 2.9 BB/9, 5.4 K/9

Johnny Cueto

2-years, 20-25, 4.61 ERA, 94 ERA+, 3.4 BB/9, 7.6 K/9

Sold.

reds77
03-19-2010, 11:26 PM
Not much to say, but this is painful to examine. Most fans of the team lament at what could have been and what never was with the outfield trio of Dunn, Griffey, and Kearns together. Didn't most of us think they would be a fearsome trio leading the Reds to many winning seasons during the decade, but the reality is we'll remember them for not being on the field much, not being the studs they were or were supposed to be, and not being the hitting machines we had hoped. A quick glance at this "All-Decade" team brings back a quick flash of a long and tough decade to swallow as a fan. Anyhow, Go 2010 Reds.

GADawg
03-19-2010, 11:34 PM
Kearns? how did he get on there...he shouldn't be included in an all "guys named Ears" list.

George Anderson
03-19-2010, 11:45 PM
Why did the Reds even feel it was necessary to make this list?? For the most part it's kinda embarrasing.

It's kinda like the LA Clippers coming up with an All Time Team.

TheNext44
03-20-2010, 12:22 AM
Why did the Reds even feel it was necessary to make this list?? For the most part it's kinda embarrasing.

It's kinda like the LA Clippers coming up with an All Time Team.

Or like a Dane Cook Film Festival...

Or Quiet Riot's Greatest Hits, Volume II

M2
03-20-2010, 09:41 AM
Or like a Dane Cook Film Festival...

Good Luck Chuck may be the most comprehensively awful movie ever made.

RedsBaron
03-20-2010, 10:27 AM
Not quite the equal of the Reds All decade team from the 1970s, is it?

fugowitribe
03-20-2010, 10:45 AM
This list is a joke........No Eric Milton? :shocked:

:jump:

westofyou
03-20-2010, 10:51 AM
Not quite the equal of the Reds All decade team from the 1970s, is it?

I'd say it might match 1900-1910 in futility but not in names



First Jake Beckley
2nd Miller Huggins
SS Tommy Corcoran
3rd Harry Steinfeldt
LF Joe Kelley
CF Cy Seymour
RF Sam Crawford
C Heinie Peitz

P Noodles Hahn
P Bob Ewing

BCubb2003
03-20-2010, 01:27 PM
There's still hope, if you go by the pedantic notion that 2000 was the last year of the old decade and 2010 is the last year of this decade.

reds44
03-20-2010, 04:11 PM
There's still hope, if you go by the pedantic notion that 2000 was the last year of the old decade and 2010 is the last year of this decade.
Oh no not that argument again.

savafan
03-20-2010, 05:58 PM
Or like a Dane Cook Film Festival...



Mr. Brooks was pretty solid. That's all I have to say about this topic. :)

Raisor
03-20-2010, 07:22 PM
How they kept Juan Castro off the list is a mother loving crime.

Degenerate39
03-20-2010, 08:08 PM
How they kept Juan Castro off the list is a mother loving crime.

and Javy

savafan
03-20-2010, 08:36 PM
and Javy

Greatest Reds catchers of my lifetime (nearly 33 years now):

Johnny Bench
Joe Oliver
Eddie Taubensee
Jason LaRue
Javy Valentin


Isn't that an underwhelming list?

Scrap Irony
03-20-2010, 08:47 PM
Actually, I'd argue Bench as top two ever, with both Oliver and Taubensee well above average and LaRue slightly above so, historically.

And the fifth catcher on that list needs to be excised for any number of better options, including another above average receiver, Bo Diaz.

savafan
03-20-2010, 08:54 PM
Actually, I'd argue Bench as top two ever, with both Oliver and Taubensee well above average and LaRue slightly above so, historically.

And the fifth catcher on that list needs to be excised for any number of better options, including another above average receiver, Bo Diaz.

Well, I wasn't putting them in any kind of order, but I can't believe I forgot about Bo Diaz. Jeff Reed was decent at times as well.

Scrap Irony
03-20-2010, 09:01 PM
Just saying, catcher hasn't been Cincinnati's problem over the past 35 years or so.

First base has.
Starting pitching definitely has.

Captain Hook
03-21-2010, 03:13 AM
Line up is not bad, but wow, what a lousy rotation for an all decade team.

Elmer Dessens? All decade? Might as well have Jimmy Haynes or Jeff Austin or Jose Acevedo on the all decade team.

Kinda explains why the Reds haven't had a winning season since 2000.

Considering that we're talking about an all-decade team I'd say that line up is pretty bad as well.Now if we were talking about the Griffey and Larkin of the 90s then I'd agree that it's not too bad.

Dan
03-21-2010, 06:45 AM
That is a pretty terrible team, top to bottom. Not going to win much with those players. Austin Kearns in RF? Really?

mth123
03-21-2010, 06:53 AM
That is a pretty terrible team, top to bottom. Not going to win much with those players. Austin Kearns in RF? Really?

I had more of a problem with Kearns than Dessens. Anyone who has read my posts over the years knows that I have no great love for the SB game and hate it when players get picked-off or thrown out in front of the meat of the order, but even given those and his other flaws, I'd say Ryan Freel would have been a better choice.

RedsBaron
03-21-2010, 07:51 AM
Greatest Reds catchers of my lifetime (nearly 33 years now):

Johnny Bench
Joe Oliver
Eddie Taubensee
Jason LaRue
Javy Valentin


Isn't that an underwhelming list?

I was born in 1955, so the list of Reds catchers in my lieftime would include Ed Bailey, Smokey Burgess and John Edwards, and, as Scrap Irony noted, Bo Diaz should be on the list somewhere. I agree with Scrap: while the Reds list of catchers isn't tremendous, that hasn't been the position with the primary shortcomings.
Catcher is such a tough position to fill. I'm trying to think of a team that has fairly consistently been strong there over the decades (other than the Yankees).

savafan
03-21-2010, 09:19 AM
I'm trying to think of a team that has fairly consistently been strong there over the decades (other than the Yankees).

Dodgers?

Todd Hundley
Paul Lo Duca
Jason Phillips (eh)
Russell Martin

westofyou
03-21-2010, 09:44 AM
Dodgers?

Todd Hundley
Paul Lo Duca
Jason Phillips (eh)
Russell Martin

Right team, wrong guys



AT BATS AB
1 Mike Scioscia 4373
2 Steve Yeager 3454
3 John Roseboro 3170
4 Mike Piazza 2707
5 Paul Lo Duca 2131
6 Russell Martin 201

westofyou
03-21-2010, 09:48 AM
BTW if you want to find the Reds true position weakness historically step into the box and look down the 3rd base line, that's your guy right there, the Reds are the only original franchise without a player with 1000 games played at a position and that position is 3rd base and the team leader was traded 88 years ago, and the runner up was the last FT LH fielding 3rd baseman.

savafan
03-21-2010, 09:54 AM
Right team, wrong guys



AT BATS AB
1 Mike Scioscia 4373
2 Steve Yeager 3454
3 John Roseboro 3170
4 Mike Piazza 2707
5 Paul Lo Duca 2131
6 Russell Martin 201


Yeah, I was just looking at the last decade. You could expand that back even further to include:

Roy Campanella
John Roseboro
Tom Haller
Joe Ferguson