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improbus
04-05-2010, 11:00 AM
I tend to come up with crazy, completely unresearched theories on why things happen the way they do. This seems like as good a place as any to post some (of the more appropriate) of them. So, I will post a few and if you have one (or more) post them.

1) Why Facebook/Reality TV is Popular
-People are inherently nosy (like my wife) and want to see what others are doing without the consequences of actually asking.
-People are inherently narcissistic. Facebook and (especially) reality TV might be the zenith of narcissism.

2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

3) Music fans are more interested in impressing others with their knowledge than actually liking music.
-This has been happening for years. But, with the internet and Indie movement, it has gone to ridiculous proportions. This applies to a ton of things (Wes Anderson movies, various TV shows, etc...)

SeeinRed
04-05-2010, 11:21 AM
I wouldn't call any of these crazy at all. In fact I'd say these are pretty common thoughts.

BCubb2003
04-05-2010, 11:35 AM
I tend to come up with crazy, completely unresearched theories on why things happen the way they do. This seems like as good a place as any to post some (of the more appropriate) of them. So, I will post a few and if you have one (or more) post them.

1) Why Facebook/Reality TV is Popular
-People are inherently nosy (like my wife) and want to see what others are doing without the consequences of actually asking.
-People are inherently narcissistic. Facebook and (especially) reality TV might be the zenith of narcissism.

2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

3) Music fans are more interested in impressing others with their knowledge than actually liking music.
-This has been happening for years. But, with the internet and Indie movement, it has gone to ridiculous proportions. This applies to a ton of things (Wes Anderson movies, various TV shows, etc...)

1) People are so hungry for stories they'll take even lame contrived Reality TV narratives.

2) What are you some kind of Marxist? Supposedly it's possible to create wealth by pulling it from the ground, inventing something or increasing productivity, but it does seem that the economy only grows by buying on credit, and a recession is what happens when it's time to pay the bills. Then repeat.

3) That might apply to sports fans too.

My theory: Most sports are pretty silly if you try to think of practical purposes for the skills they reward.

improbus
04-05-2010, 01:33 PM
2) What are you some kind of Marxist? Supposedly it's possible to create wealth by pulling it from the ground, inventing something or increasing productivity, but it does seem that the economy only grows by buying on credit, and a recession is what happens when it's time to pay the bills. Then repeat.


I like this explanation. But, here is my counter example. How much did most of us put down on our house? What was the percentage? People used to wait and put down 10-20%, and would live on the cheap. Now, we put down very little. We don't and can't wait. That is what I mean by borrowing.

Also, can it be considered real "growth" if it is only on paper?

improbus
04-05-2010, 01:47 PM
How about this one:
-Hippies are more conservative than most conservatives.
They are the ones trying to save mom and pop joints to keep the money in the local community, as opposed to the more conservative Wal-Mart crowd whose money tends to fly more towards Bentonville, AK. Isn't trying to save the mom and pop joint the essence of conservatism?

Orodle
04-05-2010, 02:11 PM
I tend to come up with crazy, completely unresearched theories on why things happen the way they do. This seems like as good a place as any to post some (of the more appropriate) of them. So, I will post a few and if you have one (or more) post them.

1) Why Facebook/Reality TV is Popular
-People are inherently nosy (like my wife) and want to see what others are doing without the consequences of actually asking.
-People are inherently narcissistic. Facebook and (especially) reality TV might be the zenith of narcissism.

2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

3) Music fans are more interested in impressing others with their knowledge than actually liking music.
-This has been happening for years. But, with the internet and Indie movement, it has gone to ridiculous proportions. This applies to a ton of things (Wes Anderson movies, various TV shows, etc...)

Hahaha I'm very much the same. I actually have theories on the same topics:

1) Very much the same as yours but also the "attention" factor. Emo kids can post how they are depressed and have people reply telling them it will be alright.

2)My theory on the recession is soley on the media. It got boring reporting how well the economy was doing combined with the media always running with bad news. I blame them for scaring people into not spending their money.

3)Music, your theory basically just applies to one of my friends, not sure about everyone.

Rojo
04-05-2010, 03:10 PM
2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

There's a paradox that Keynes and others pointed out -- that as employers cut wages they undercut the consumption of the goods they produce.

In the last 30 years we've been able to mask this with the explosion of consumer credit.

This isn't a recession is a complete restructering.

ochre
04-05-2010, 03:45 PM
How about this one:
-Hippies are more conservative than most conservatives.
They are the ones trying to save mom and pop joints to keep the money in the local community, as opposed to the more conservative Wal-Mart crowd whose money tends to fly more towards Bentonville, AK. Isn't trying to save the mom and pop joint the essence of conservatism?
Bentonville, Alaska?

LoganBuck
04-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Bentonville, Alaska?

That is where us conservatives order our baby seal skin boots.

Razor Shines
04-05-2010, 05:25 PM
That is where us conservatives order our baby seal skin boots.

No, if you're a real conservative you club and skin the baby seal yourself and make your own boots.

Chip R
04-05-2010, 06:25 PM
You guys want to back away from political posts before I close this thread down?

durl
04-06-2010, 12:37 PM
I don't believe I have any crazy theories. Some of my opinions may seem strange to others but it's because they're not looking at all the facts. :D


1) Why Facebook/Reality TV is Popular
-People are inherently nosy (like my wife) and want to see what others are doing without the consequences of actually asking.
-People are inherently narcissistic. Facebook and (especially) reality TV might be the zenith of narcissism.

2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

3) Music fans are more interested in impressing others with their knowledge than actually liking music.
-This has been happening for years. But, with the internet and Indie movement, it has gone to ridiculous proportions. This applies to a ton of things (Wes Anderson movies, various TV shows, etc...)

1) I agree with both of your theories, and they both can be true.

2) A recession can have many underlying causes. I believe the current one is the result of a artificial manipulation of the economy by those who have little (if any) idea of how market economies are supposed to function.

3) I believe music critics fit that description pretty well.

TeamSelig
04-06-2010, 12:46 PM
I have one about Art.

You could have a 3 year old splatter a bunch of paint around... say a famous artist painted it, and it will be looked upon as a masterpiece.

bucksfan2
04-06-2010, 12:47 PM
I tend to come up with crazy, completely unresearched theories on why things happen the way they do. This seems like as good a place as any to post some (of the more appropriate) of them. So, I will post a few and if you have one (or more) post them.

1) Why Facebook/Reality TV is Popular
-People are inherently nosy (like my wife) and want to see what others are doing without the consequences of actually asking.
-People are inherently narcissistic. Facebook and (especially) reality TV might be the zenith of narcissism.

2) The "Recession" is actually an economic correction from an unrealistic economic system and more accurately reflects nations financial strength.
-Again, I have no actual training in economics, but this seems reasonable to me. People were (and still are) living out of their means (aka...the housing bubble/crisis and the credit disaster). The system simply couldn't handle the debt load, and so it fell apart. If someone more schooled in Econ 101 can disprove this, I would be much obliged (so that I don't sound like an idiot)

3) Music fans are more interested in impressing others with their knowledge than actually liking music.
-This has been happening for years. But, with the internet and Indie movement, it has gone to ridiculous proportions. This applies to a ton of things (Wes Anderson movies, various TV shows, etc...)

1. I think facebook is a success because people are nosy. They want to know what other people are up to. Don't really buy the narcissistic side.

As for reality TV I think it first found its niche and then exploded. I think there is some vicarious feeling to it. Who wouldn't want to be stranded on a tropical paradise? Who wouldn't want to live in a house in a cool city for 5 months with the sole purpose to party? Who wouldn't want to dance with an attractive professional dance partner? Who doesn't think they can sing great in the shower? Etc.

2. I think you are somewhat correct in the economic recession. People have been living outside of their means for a long time now. Too many people were living paycheck to paycheck without saving anything. But I think the trigger was gas prices. People were spending 2-3 times what they had before on gas. If a family had two SUV's and was spending $60/week on gas all the sudden saw that gas expenditure jump to $180 a week that makes a huge difference. That family loses $400-$500 a month which is devastating especially to a family living paycheck to paycheck.

3. Don't really have a comment on your music theory. I listen to what I like and don't really care to impress anybody. I do find it funny in music (and movies) that indie has become a multi-million, maybe even billion, size industry when its supposed to mean independent music. It has become a genre as much as alternative or rock.

SunDeck
04-06-2010, 02:09 PM
I put down 30% on my current house. I'm old, west side German that way.

forfreelin04
04-06-2010, 02:57 PM
3. Don't really have a comment on your music theory. I listen to what I like and don't really care to impress anybody. I do find it funny in music (and movies) that indie has become a multi-million, maybe even billion, size industry when its supposed to mean independent music. It has become a genre as much as alternative or rock.

It is a bit ironic I agree.

Personally, I love indie music because its spectacular compared to mainstream music. By mainstream I mean the Top 40, radio hits, etc. Can't say I blame producers for constantly churning out Gaga, Miley, and Beyonce though. Give the people what they want. Just make sure the Channel button still works on my remote.

Great theories btw, I have a great amount of respect for people who dig into the "Why?"

Not to derail this great thread, but I found it interesting that Lady Gaga was nominated for a Kid's Choice Award. Sign of the Apocalypse? ;)

westofyou
04-06-2010, 02:59 PM
Indy Music has been dead since REM left IRS, it's all corporate.. even Matador and Sub Pop

pedro
04-06-2010, 03:01 PM
I'm so old that I remember when they called Indie music "College Rock" ;)

SunDeck
04-06-2010, 04:55 PM
Indy Music has been dead since REM left IRS, it's all corporate.. even Matador and Sub Pop

Plan-it-X records says hello.

improbus
04-06-2010, 05:18 PM
It is a bit ironic I agree.

Personally, I love indie music because its spectacular compared to mainstream music. By mainstream I mean the Top 40, radio hits, etc. Can't say I blame producers for constantly churning out Gaga, Miley, and Beyonce though. Give the people what they want. Just make sure the Channel button still works on my remote.

Great theories btw, I have a great amount of respect for people who dig into the "Why?"

Not to derail this great thread, but I found it interesting that Lady Gaga was nominated for a Kid's Choice Award. Sign of the Apocalypse? ;)

No more than when people asked the questions, "Who is better, the Monkees or the Beatles?" There has always been music for the masses and always will be.

improbus
04-06-2010, 05:32 PM
I put down 30% on my current house. I'm old, west side German that way.
I believe that West Siders have their own particular genetic coding...(which I have.)

Theory #5: Cincinnati is not actually part of Ohio.
-I have always argued that Cincinnatians identify themselves in the following hierarchy.
1) West Sider/East Sider/N. Kentuckian/Other
2) Cincinnatian
3) American
4) "Insert Religious Affiliation"
5) "Insert Political Affiliation"
6) "Insert High School"
7) "Insert Neighborhood/suburb"
8) Skyline/Empress/Gold Star
9) UC fan/X fan/UK fan
10) Ohioan

-I now live in Columbus, and we would format this list very differently
1) American
2) Ohioan
3) Ohio State Fan
4) Columbusite

Chip R
04-06-2010, 06:23 PM
I believe that West Siders have their own particular genetic coding...(which I have.)

Theory #5: Cincinnati is not actually part of Ohio.
-I have always argued that Cincinnatians identify themselves in the following hierarchy.
1) West Sider/East Sider/N. Kentuckian/Other
2) Cincinnatian
3) American
4) "Insert Religious Affiliation"
5) "Insert Political Affiliation"
6) "Insert High School"
7) "Insert Neighborhood/suburb"
8) Skyline/Empress/Gold Star
9) UC fan/X fan/UK fan
10) Ohioan

-I now live in Columbus, and we would format this list very differently
1) American
2) Ohioan
3) Ohio State Fan
4) Columbusite


I think you have "Insert high school" too low. I think I'd put that about 2 or 3.

TRF
04-06-2010, 06:29 PM
I so very much want to move back to Cincinnati.

My crazy theories...

Resolutions are doomed to failure because the advertising world wants you to fail. Nobody really NEEDS to eat Lean Cuisine. Just eat smart. I'm going on 5 years without Mcd's, Burger King, Taco Bell etc. I do eat at Whataburger because they aren't very fast. (My fast food loophole).

Whatever lifestyle change they are selling, they don't want you to achieve it. Reason: $

Why does Diesel which takes less processing often cost more than unleaded? It used to be cheaper in the 90's. answer: $

Why do companies make different versions of products? good, better, best? Why not just make best? answer: $

westofyou
04-06-2010, 06:30 PM
I think you have "Insert high school" too low. I think I'd put that about 2 or 3.

Mariemont in the house

pedro
04-06-2010, 06:32 PM
HS does need to be higher.

improbus
04-06-2010, 06:44 PM
HS does need to be higher.
I am very willing to amend my theory.:thumbup:

Rojo
04-06-2010, 07:37 PM
Resolutions are doomed to failure because the advertising world wants you to fail. Nobody really NEEDS to eat Lean Cuisine. Just eat smart. I'm going on 5 years without Mcd's, Burger King, Taco Bell etc. I do eat at Whataburger because they aren't very fast. (My fast food loophole).

Take note of how often some "healthy" product -- lean cuisine, Jenny Craig, exer-thinger-ma-bob is followed by a commercial for fast food or cheese-covered glop from Applebee's.

BTW, am I the only one who finds "family dining" places like Applebees more disgusting than fast food?

improbus
04-06-2010, 08:42 PM
Here are some mini-theories that don't really prove anything larger, but can sort-of fill in some gaps with some movie related stuff...
Mini-Theory #1: The Wachowski Brothers are geniuses
-They were able to somehow keep Neo confused, which is Keanu's natural state. I think they got to the 2nd movie and realized that they had a problem. They had to deal with trying to make Keanu sound smart. Knowing that this was impossible, they kept him as confused as possible.

Mini-Theory #2: John Travolta's not-so-comeback-comeback.
-In Pulp Fiction all he did was dance....again.

improbus
04-06-2010, 08:55 PM
Theory #6: Two Types of Music Fans
-This theory is based on my wife and me.

First Type: Mashed Potatoes Music Fans
-For years, I thought that my wife knew every contemporary country song out there until I realized something. They were really all the same song and the lyrics were able to be picked up within two or three listens. This is what she likes about country. I don't think she knows the difference between honky-tonk, country and western, bluegrass, or nashville country, but she likes that most of them sound familiar. Even when a song is "new", it really isn't. The sound is mostly interchangeable, so are the lyrics, and even the voices are similar (almost every new male country artist is doing a Garth Brooks impression.) These are the primary draws for people like my wife. She loves Mac 'n' cheese music.

Second Type: Let's Try that New Ethiopian Joint on Campus Music Fans
-This group is more interested in hearing something new, whether it is good or bad. The appeal can take many forms, such as general interest in new sounds or just letting others know just how many obscure bands you know. But, this group (and I include myself in it) is always hunting for a new sound. We tend to go through phases. I'm going through a crazy Hip-Hop phase right now. We always feel that there is another great band with a new sound just waiting to be found. Usually, we never really find what we are looking for and often overlook good stuff staring us right in the face. But, it is the hunt that is interesting.

improbus
04-07-2010, 12:15 PM
Theroy #7: America's greatest strength and greatest weakness is that we don't understand the concept of subtlety. (We get alot of this from the English...)
-If we do something, we are all in. We don't go half-way on anything.

When it is a strength
1) Military Matters
2) Ingenuity (we will dive headfirst into anything that will make us money such as the internet. We almost single-handedly run it)
3) Sports (This board is proof of that)
4) Charity - We don't give a little, we give a TON

When it is a weakness
1) Obesity - We don't understand subtlety in food in any capacity (see Buffet's)
2) Movies - Transformers 2...really?
3) Tabloids - We can't just know who celebs are, but we need to dissect them.

Could Go Either Way
1) Sam's Club/Costco - smart in some ways, incredibly dumb in others.
2) Cars - This is changing, but Hummers were the definition of "Not understanding subtelty." No other country would make that car (and part of me is proud of that.)

bucksfan2
04-07-2010, 12:44 PM
4) Charity - We don't give a little, we give a TON


The Americans and Canadians were the top two donating countries to Haiti, and it wasn't even close. I also saw a report that China donated $1 Million to Haiti. Pepsi Co donated more money than the entire country of China.

SunDeck
04-07-2010, 02:19 PM
I think you have "Insert high school" too low. I think I'd put that about 2 or 3.

High School used to be synonymous with religion. However, Oak Hills is now the largest Catholic high school in Ohio. ;)

Roy Tucker
04-08-2010, 11:52 AM
Every generation thinks that the issues they encounter have never been experienced before. Wrong. Its all the same stuff.

Things are more like they are now more than they've ever been before.

westofyou
04-08-2010, 12:36 PM
Every generation thinks that the issues they encounter have never been experienced before. Wrong. Its all the same stuff.

Things are more like they are now more than they've ever been before.

get off my lawn

Roy Tucker
04-08-2010, 02:29 PM
get off my lawn

you being wise with me, punk?

:)