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ian_madden
04-12-2010, 11:40 AM
Who had the more impressive debut?

Chapman- 4.2 innings pitched 5 hits 1 run 9 ks 1 bb 85 total pitches 55 for strike. 0.00 era

other notes hit 100 mph several times:eek:

Leake- 6.2 innings pitched 4 hit 1 run 5 ks 7 bb 106 total pitches 57 for strikes 1.35 era

other notes 2-2 2 singles.:thumbup:

Chapman hit the strike zone almost as many times as Leake did in significantly fewer pitches, Had more k's fewer walks and a perfect era.

Leake had his professional debut in the majors, Pitched well above expected, kept us in the game and pitched out of a very tough 1st inning.

My vote is leake. For him to skip the minors and pitch against the cubs and be borderline dominate. WOW. Im very excited. And before this years spring training, when was the last time this kid had to hit?

Things are looking up. :beerme:

DaytonFlyer
04-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Chapman. Sure, Leake beat the Cubs, but 7 walks for a guy who is supposed to have good command is troubling.

Plus, Chapman topped 100 three separate times, and only walked one with that heat. Yowza.

GIDP
04-12-2010, 12:11 PM
Chapman. Sure, Leake beat the Cubs, but 7 walks for a guy who is supposed to have good command is troubling.

Plus, Chapman topped 100 three separate times, and only walked one with that heat. Yowza.

7 walks isnt troubling for me considering he has a track record of having great command. I contribute it to him not understanding the MLB strike zone and early jitters.

Cant Touch This
04-12-2010, 12:15 PM
7 walks isnt troubling for me considering he has a track record of having great command. I contribute it to him not understanding the MLB strike zone and early jitters.

Plus he was getting squeezed. There was a tight strike zone yesterday anyway, but Leake got NO help. I liked what I saw.

DaytonFlyer
04-12-2010, 12:19 PM
I didn't say I didn't like what I saw. Pitching out of that first inning jam was quite the feat. However, the question was who was more impressive.

GIDP
04-12-2010, 12:19 PM
Plus he was getting squeezed. There was a tight strike zone yesterday anyway, but Leake got NO help. I liked what I saw.

it did seem like the close calls werent going his way. It's a shame the Reds cant understand what a small strike zone is when they are at the plate.

GIDP
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Leake was because it was in the majors.

Az. Reds Fan
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Leake's control will be fine...as everyone is saying, his control is very good. I have no doubt making his first major league start plus the fact the umpire was squeezing him didn't help. Plus keep in mind his last two walks were when he was exhausted in his last inning.

If Dusty had any clue, he would have pulled him after 6 innings.

Cant Touch This
04-12-2010, 12:42 PM
I didn't say I didn't like what I saw. Pitching out of that first inning jam was quite the feat. However, the question was who was more impressive.

Actually, it doesn't matter what you say. You could tell me water is made up of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen and I would find a way to challenge you because of your screen name. ;)

texasdave
04-12-2010, 01:16 PM
Leake's control will be fine...as everyone is saying, his control is very good. I have no doubt making his first major league start plus the fact the umpire was squeezing him didn't help. Plus keep in mind his last two walks were when he was exhausted in his last inning.

If Dusty had any clue, he would have pulled him after 6 innings.

If I am reading the box score in baseball-reference.com correctly, Leake only had thrown 83 pitches through 6 innings. An efficient seventh inning gets him out of there under 100 pitches and gives him a chance to get the win. I wouldn't consider that abusive. On the other hand, he certainly appeared to be laboring in the 7th. It's all a moot point if the offense can plate a few runs. By that I mean if the Reds have a lead maybe Leake doesn't even come out for the 7th, or at most, gets pulled after the first runner reaches base in that inning. I think Dusty may have been giving him every chance to get a W. He certainly earned it IMO.

Pony Boy
04-12-2010, 01:19 PM
Chapman. Sure, Leake beat the Cubs, but 7 walks for a guy who is supposed to have good command is troubling.

Plus, Chapman topped 100 three separate times, and only walked one with that heat. Yowza.

I actually find it a little comforting that when he got into jams it was because he was issuing walks and not because he was being hit. It is unlikely that he will be a wild pitcher so he probably won't make a habit of walking 7 batters. If he was getting hit a bunch I would be worried.

BLEEDS
04-12-2010, 01:55 PM
Well I didn't get to see Chapman's debut, but his line looks better, and from all accounts it was the shoddy infield defense that lead to 4(?) infield hits.
9 K's are nice, but we expect that, especially at the AAA level.
100 MPH heater, again not surprising, AAA guys aren't going to catch up with that.

But Leake did it on the big stage, against a good/borderline great team, and didn't flinch after a little shaky beginning of the first inning, a small strike zone, and Dusty Baker keeping him in longer than necessary.
His stuff is downright FILTHY!!
I knew it was good, but I've never seen the full extent like I did yesterday.
As Cowboy noted, he really gets that LATE movement, like in the last 2 feet, and since he has like 7 different grips for his "primary" fastballs and curves, you never know where it's going to break. I thought his curve was nice too. REALLY kept those hitters off-balance and made some of them look downright Silly!
Giving up ONE run in 6.2 innings in your MLB debut against a formidable opponent - got to go with Leake in this poll.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Redlegs_87
04-12-2010, 07:42 PM
I'll take Leake over Chapman all the time untill Aroldis develops another pitch or two.

ian_madden
04-13-2010, 03:02 AM
Also, it was mentioned that Chapman would have walked 9 if not for minor league hitters. They were swinging at bat pitches. of course, when its coming at 101, your going to swing at bad pitches. Did everyone of Randy Johnson strikeouts come on pitches in the strike zone?

daboof
04-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Definitely Leake, I don't see how you could even question it. Cubs bats > Mud Hens (or any AAA) bats.

Aroldis has the potential to be a great pitcher but I think people are putting too much emphasis on the fact that he's throwing high 90's-100 mph. That's a huge weapon in a pitcher's arsenal but in the grand scheme of things, when you're facing someone like Pujols or Howard or Berkman I'll take the guy with 4 or 5 different throws that all have great movement vs straight up heat any time.

On a related note, did anyone see the highlights of Chapman vs Toledo? When he was whiffing guys they were literally shaking their heads in disbelief as they walked back to the dugout.

Dave