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fearofpopvol1
04-12-2010, 06:34 PM
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36436447/ns/sports-player_news/

thoughts?

JaxRed
04-12-2010, 06:36 PM
If some club other than the big boys pays that, they will doom themselves.

kaldaniels
04-12-2010, 06:38 PM
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36436447/ns/sports-player_news/

thoughts?

How about, "That's insane".

RedsManRick
04-12-2010, 06:47 PM
Good luck Prince. Somebody needs to tell him that teams care about defense too. When he can play defense like Teixeira and Mauer maybe he'll be worth that kind of money. But considering he'll probably be a DH only guy by the time he's 30... I predict something in the 5/100 neighborhood.

Though, to be fair, this is standard Boras. The first rule of negotiating is anchoring as high as possible. You say $200 and $140 looks like you gave some major concessions. Boras isn't about getting "fair value." He's about getting maximum value. The only number that matters is the one on the contract he signs.

TheNext44
04-12-2010, 07:01 PM
It's Boros. take with huge grain of salt.

The problem he'll have is that Howard and Pujols will be free agents at the same time, and the Yanks and Reds Sox are set at 1B for awhile.

It will be an interesting situation in two years, that's for sure.

blumj
04-12-2010, 08:08 PM
I had a discussion with someone about a month ago who thought the Red Sox might trade for and extend Prince Fielder to be their full time DH. I tried to be polite.

UKFlounder
04-12-2010, 08:22 PM
It doesn't hurt to ask, I guess...

Slyder
04-12-2010, 08:23 PM
What about Fielder and Pujols to dh/3b in Beantown? Ortiz isnt getting any younger either. Get them far far far FAR away from the NL Central ;).

KronoRed
04-12-2010, 08:26 PM
Some stupid team, maybe even the Brewers will pony that cash up, it will cripple them, he'll get hurt and be untradeable and the team will suffer greatly.

Degenerate39
04-12-2010, 08:38 PM
I'm seeking a 200M/8 year contract too. Doesn't mean I'll get it though. Honestly I wouldn't give that money to Pujols

Chip R
04-12-2010, 08:39 PM
Yankees need a 1B. They could probably choose between Pujols, Fielder and Howard. You really can't go wrong.

Degenerate39
04-12-2010, 08:46 PM
Yankees need a 1B. They could probably choose between Pujols, Fielder and Howard. You really can't go wrong.

Is Tex not at first base?

HokieRed
04-12-2010, 08:51 PM
One to NYY, one to Boston, the third to LA or LAA? (Fielder, Pujols, Howard) Hard to see any other serious destination points for them.

TheNext44
04-12-2010, 08:55 PM
One to NYY, one to Boston, the third to LA or LAA? (Fielder, Pujols, Howard) Hard to see any other serious destination points for them.

NY has Tex, Sox have Youk. Angels have Morales, and have him cheap. Dodgers have Looney, and have him cheap. Mets are really the only team needing an upgrade at 1B that can afford these guys.

HokieRed
04-12-2010, 08:59 PM
NY has Tex, Sox have Youk. Angels have Morales, and have him cheap. Dodgers have Looney, and have him cheap. Mets are really the only team needing an upgrade at 1B that can afford these guys.


Ordinarily this would make sense, but Pujols is an upgrade over any of these guys--and I think any of the clubs would find some way to play one of the big 3.

TheNext44
04-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Ordinarily this would make sense, but Pujols is an upgrade over any of these guys--and I think any of the clubs would find some way to play one of the big 3.

Correct. But the fact that these teams could pass on all these guys and be just fine means the players will have much less leverage.

The only reason why Tex and CC got such big contracts was because the Yankees needed them, and needed them badly.

Getting Pujols would be nice for any of these teams, but they all can win the World Series without him.

And that's just Pujols. Howard and Fielder are not a "value" upgrade for any of these teams. The teams can fill their rolls with players who provide much better value per dollar than Howard and Fielder can.

I'm just saying it's going to be interesting. I think these players will have to settle for a lot less than they are anticipating.

blumj
04-12-2010, 09:11 PM
Plus Gonzalez.

Chip R
04-12-2010, 09:13 PM
Is Tex not at first base?

Forgot about him. :doh:

Degenerate39
04-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Forgot about him. :doh:

I wasn't sure if they were DHing him or what when you said that

Caveat Emperor
04-12-2010, 09:35 PM
If I paid Fielder that kind of money, I'd be worried that he'll eat his way out of baseball. And I'm only half-kidding when I say that.

Chip R
04-12-2010, 09:36 PM
If I paid Fielder that kind of money, I'd be worried that he'll eat his way out of baseball. And I'm only half-kidding when I say that.

Dude can run for a guy that size. Not as fast as Stubbs but he's not slow.

mbgrayson
04-12-2010, 11:41 PM
A couple interesting things about these firstbasemen:

Prince Fielder is 25 years old, and turns 26 in May. He is listed at Height: 5' 11", Weight: 270 lb.

Albert Pujols is 30 years old, and is listed at Height: 6' 3", Weight: 230 lb.

Mark Texeira is also 30 years old, and is listed at Height: 6' 3", Weight: 220 lb.

So while Fielder is still quite a bit younger, he is four inches shorter, and carrying around 40 to 50 pounds more weight than the other two. I think age and health are huge when you are talking a long term contract. I wouldn't sign him for more than five years/$75 million.

Luckily, I get him for much cheaper on my fantasy team ;)

corkedbat
04-12-2010, 11:55 PM
Oh yeah! I want Castellini to bet $200M that that butt won't get any bigger over the next 8yrs. Get right on it Walt!

redsfandan
04-13-2010, 05:45 AM
NY has Tex, Sox have Youk. Angels have Morales, and have him cheap. Dodgers have Looney, and have him cheap. Mets are really the only team needing an upgrade at 1B that can afford these guys.
Lowell (like he matters) will be gone after this year and Beltre has a pretty inexpensive buyout for 2011. And Youk has played 3rd before. Although if the Sox pick up anyone I still think Adrian Gonzalez is the most likely target.

Normally the Mets would make sense but can they really afford a real BIG contract? I didn't think they were in the best shape financially.

reds1869
04-13-2010, 06:57 AM
Ordinarily this would make sense, but Pujols is an upgrade over any of these guys--and I think any of the clubs would find some way to play one of the big 3.

Not to mention the Sox could easily move Youk back to third.

blumj
04-13-2010, 07:37 AM
Pena and Lee are up after this season, though, too.

You know, if I was Ryan Howard, I'd be ready to settle this with the Phillies now for just a bit more than top DH-type money, because he looks like the one most likely to get left out in the cold.

bucksfan2
04-13-2010, 10:02 AM
If it were strictly for DH I would take Fielder over Howard. I think Fielder is a better overall hitter.

Ever since Fielder made his MLB debut I thought there would be some serious weight issues. Guy is only 25 and is carrying around a ton of weight. That will catch up with him at some point.

The FA 1B market is about to get saturated. Pena, Gonzales, Fielder, Howard, and Pujols will all be FA within the next 2 years. With the Yankees and Red Sox set at 1b for the distant future I think these 1b will find some contractual issues. Pujols will get paid and probably stay in StL. Gonzales may get traded but I can see him staying in SD for an extended period of time. Guy is a native of San Diego and hasn't shown any desire to leave. I think Pena gets traded this season and Fielder may get traded as well. Boras is floating this contract now for a reason.

Ghosts of 1990
04-14-2010, 12:36 PM
NY has Tex, Sox have Youk. Angels have Morales, and have him cheap. Dodgers have Looney, and have him cheap. Mets are really the only team needing an upgrade at 1B that can afford these guys.

Atlanta Braves is the team that comes to my mind when I think around the league who might be seeking Prince to go in the middle of the order with Heyward for years to come. Mix in a RH bat with some pop and you've got a pretty formidable lineup on those three alone.

cincinnati chili
04-15-2010, 01:47 AM
If he has another couple seasons like the last few, then I would pay him more than any first baseman in baseball other than Pujols (even more than Howard). I'm not sure what the market will be like at that time, but here's hoping we'll be in a better baseball and world economy by then. He'll be 27 on opening day of his free agent year (2012) while Howard and Pujols will be 32.

I'm not saying I'd give him an 8 year contract, given his weight issues, but let's remember that a lot of teams had concerns about drafting him because of his weight issues. After all the handwringing, the team who drafted him has had a resurgence in attendance and has made the playoffs, the team that drafted Chris Gruler had had lousy attendance and has not made the playoffs.

15fan
04-15-2010, 09:11 AM
Dude can run for a guy that size. Not as fast as Stubbs but he's not slow.

He's not quick. He's Bisquick. ;)

Chip R
04-15-2010, 09:12 AM
If the Brewers are seriously interested in re-signing Prince, they better get the deal done soon because when Pujols gets his new deal, $200M/8 years may seem like a bargain.

westofyou
04-15-2010, 09:15 AM
If he has another couple seasons like the last few, then I would pay him more than any first baseman in baseball other than Pujols (even more than Howard). I'm not sure what the market will be like at that time, but here's hoping we'll be in a better baseball and world economy by then. He'll be 27 on opening day of his free agent year (2012) while Howard and Pujols will be 32.

I'm not saying I'd give him an 8 year contract, given his weight issues, but let's remember that a lot of teams had concerns about drafting him because of his weight issues. After all the handwringing, the team who drafted him has had a resurgence in attendance and has made the playoffs, the team that drafted Chris Gruler had had lousy attendance and has not made the playoffs.

But man o man, what a curveball!!

Strikes Out Looking
04-15-2010, 10:21 AM
Quite simply, even though the Prince is young, his size would rule out an 8 year deal for him. I just don't think his knees can take it for that period of time. Further, if I'm an insurer, would I take on that contract with that issue?

I am being very serious--I don't think I can think of any other athlete with that physique that didn't have knee issues at some point in his career.

However, as a Reds fan, I hope Milwaukee ponies up and pays so they can deal with that albatross for years and years.

Razor Shines
04-15-2010, 12:04 PM
Quite simply, even though the Prince is young, his size would rule out an 8 year deal for him. I just don't think his knees can take it for that period of time. Further, if I'm an insurer, would I take on that contract with that issue?

I am being very serious--I don't think I can think of any other athlete with that physique that didn't have knee issues at some point in his career.

However, as a Reds fan, I hope Milwaukee ponies up and pays so they can deal with that albatross for years and years.

I agree. Look at his Dad. Sure, Prince is a better hitter than daddy, but Cecil went down hill in a hurry once he hit age 30. I think Prince will be hindered in his contract pursuits because teams have his Dad as an example.

Chip R
04-15-2010, 12:23 PM
I see a Nutrisystem ad in young Mr. Fielder's future.

Sea Ray
04-15-2010, 12:25 PM
I am being very serious--I don't think I can think of any other athlete with that physique that didn't have knee issues at some point in his career.




Did David Wells have knee problems?

I agree that his physique is troublesome especially for an NL team

15fan
04-15-2010, 03:10 PM
Did David Wells have knee problems?

I agree that his physique is troublesome especially for an NL team

Wells also sat in the dugout 4 out of every 5 days. Heft is probably not the career killer for pitchers that it is for everyday guys.

Ghosts of 1990
04-15-2010, 03:46 PM
If the Brewers are seriously interested in re-signing Prince, they better get the deal done soon because when Pujols gets his new deal, $200M/8 years may seem like a bargain.

I think that 10 years/ $250-300 million keeps Pujols in St. Louis. Anyone disagree? Maybe even less.

blumj
04-15-2010, 04:42 PM
I think that 10 years/ $250-300 million keeps Pujols in St. Louis. Anyone disagree? Maybe even less.
I figure it makes sense for both sides to go with lots of deferred money, so it'll still be a lot, but it won't be crippling to the team, they'll just still be having to pay him after he's long gone.

KoryMac5
04-15-2010, 04:52 PM
I think that 10 years/ $250-300 million keeps Pujols in St. Louis. Anyone disagree? Maybe even less.

10 years even for Prince Albert would be a stretch. I definitely see the bidding starting at 25 million a season though.

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2010, 05:35 PM
I think that 10 years/ $250-300 million keeps Pujols in St. Louis. Anyone disagree? Maybe even less.

If he gets that kind of money, it won't be St. Louis paying.