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reds44
04-17-2010, 05:14 PM
Dickerson CF
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Cairo 3B
Cueto P

Tom Servo
04-17-2010, 05:21 PM
Miguel Cairo is not your savior.

forfreelin04
04-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Miguel Cairo is not your savior.

Dusty Baker needs to go to Veteran's Anonymous meetings. He just can't kick it!!!

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 06:12 PM
I wish I had there doctors.

Man they recover from the flu and back problems so quickly. Well accept for Rolen I guess. Cairo, Mr. .600 OPS over Janish, that's a statement toward the younger players. :duel: :oops:

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 06:14 PM
Dusty Baker needs to go to Veteran's Anonymous meetings. He just can't kick it!!!

:bowrofl::bowrofl:

You need to use the term, "experienced" vs veteran, they'll get you for that. :D

VR
04-17-2010, 08:11 PM
I haven't seen a major leaguer bail out of the box on a pitch right down the middle like Cabrera did for quite some time.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:17 PM
Cabrera with a 'my brother-in-law is the official scorer' hit

Votto with a solid single to center

Phillips walks


Bases juices. Gomes about to disjoint his spleen swinging for the fences.

reds44
04-17-2010, 08:20 PM
Bruce is so lost.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:20 PM
Gomes with the sac fly to put the Reds up 1-0

Bruce dribbles weakly to 1st on a 3-1 pitch. Still stepping in the rather large bucket and opening his hips on every pitch.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:27 PM
Cueto gives up 3 line drives so far.

Out to center for Iwamura
Single for McCutcheon
Double for Millege

VR
04-17-2010, 08:29 PM
Jones grounds out to 2nd, 2 down.

Tony Cloninger
04-17-2010, 08:30 PM
Pirate announcer just created a great new nickname...the M & M boys...in regards to McCutcheon and Millege. :rolleyes:

VR
04-17-2010, 08:32 PM
When Cueto misses, he misses.


1st and 3rd, two outs.

Hoosier Red
04-17-2010, 08:35 PM
crud, bloop double

CTA513
04-17-2010, 08:35 PM
Cueto is already closing in on 30 pitches.

Hoosier Red
04-17-2010, 08:37 PM
I was excited because the Reds had seemed to stretch out the Pirates pitcher.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:37 PM
Moments before that run scoring double, Chris Welsh shared with us how Cueto has great command of his fastball tonight. Apparently Chris Welsh is either
A. Drunk

B. Watching highlights of a different pitcher.

Cueto throw 33 pitches, throwing 16 strikes and 17 balls....3 hits, 2 bb's and no K's and he has great COMMAND?

VR
04-17-2010, 08:41 PM
After watching the Pirates work Cueto for 33 pitches in the 1st, Hernandez goes up hacking on the 1st pitch for out #1.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 08:46 PM
Cincinnati 2nd Inning Summary

- R. Hernandez grounded out to first
- M. Cairo flied out to center
- J. Cueto grounded out to pitcher
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitt 2 Cinn 1

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 33-16; D McCutchen 40-22.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 2-1; D McCutchen 5-2.

Batters faced - J Cueto 8; D McCutchen 9.

Red in Chicago
04-17-2010, 08:46 PM
cedano hr...really...cedano????

reds44
04-17-2010, 08:46 PM
I remember when people said Price was a good hire.

Everybody has gotten worse under him.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:47 PM
#9 hitter, Ronny Cedeno, with the Ruthian blast to left.

Not sure why Gomes didn't try for that, but, oh well.

Tony Cloninger
04-17-2010, 08:50 PM
Cesar Cedeno?? NO...the other Cedeno. Of course. :confused:

That would be funny if they get worse..... Somewhere Dick Pole is laughing.

Tom Servo
04-17-2010, 08:51 PM
I remember when people said Price was a good hire.

Everybody has gotten worse under him.
Because truly 12 games is indicative of an entire season.



C'mon man.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 08:52 PM
Bottom 2nd: Pittsburgh
- R. Cedeno homered to left
- A. Iwamura flied out to left
- A. McCutchen flied out to shallow right
- L. Milledge flied out to right

1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors
Cincinnati 1, Pittsburgh 3

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 49-25; D McCutchen 40-22

Kc61
04-17-2010, 08:55 PM
Dickerson out to shortstop on nice play.

Cabrera doubles.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:56 PM
That boy is slow, wow.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 08:56 PM
2nd hit of the night for Cabrera. 2 for 2

Kc61
04-17-2010, 08:59 PM
Votto doubles in the run.

VR
04-17-2010, 08:59 PM
Votto is good.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 08:59 PM
Votto 2 for 2 as he doubles in Cabrera :thumbup:

Kc61
04-17-2010, 09:01 PM
Phillips walks. Two on for Gomes and Bruce.

VR
04-17-2010, 09:02 PM
I'd like to see a double steal here.

Kc61
04-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Gomes walks bags full for Bruce.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Bases loaded for Jay Bruce,

He's due, he's due......................!!!

VR
04-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Nice baserunning by Phillips and Gomes.

TheNext44
04-17-2010, 09:09 PM
That could be the AB that helps turn Bruce around. Sometimes it's doing a little thing right like a game tying SF that gets a batter back into grove.

HokieRed
04-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Memo to Dusty: make Hanigan the starter, RH the backup.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Cincinnati Top 3rd Summary
- C. Dickerson grounded out to shortstop
- O. Cabrera doubled to left
- J. Votto doubled to right center, O. Cabrera scored
- B. Phillips walked
- J. Gomes walked, J. Votto to third, B. Phillips to second
- J. Bruce hit sacrifice fly to center, J. Votto scored, B. Phillips to third, J. Gomes to second advancing on throw
- R. Hernandez grounded out to third

2 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors
Cincinnati 3, Pittsburgh 3

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 49-25; D McCutchen 66-35

Kc61
04-17-2010, 09:11 PM
Memo to Dusty: make Hanigan the starter, RH the backup.

Need Hernandez to get these stellar outings from the starting pitchers.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:18 PM
Pittsburgh 3rd Inning Summary

- G. Jones struck out looking
- R. Doumit walked
- D. Young grounded into double play second to shortstop to first, R. Doumit out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors
Cincinnati 3, Pittsburgh 3

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 64-34; D McCutchen 66-35

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:23 PM
Cincinnati 4th Inning Summary

- M. Cairo popped out to second
- J. Cueto grounded out to first
- C. Dickerson grounded out to first
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - D McCutchen 75-40

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:28 PM
McCutchen singled to pitcher, to second on Cueto's fielding error

Cedeno grounded out to shortstop, McCutchen to third

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:30 PM
Pittsburgh 4th Inning Summary

- J. Clement struck out swinging
- D. McCutchen singled to pitcher, D. McCutchen to second on pitcher J. Cueto's fielding error
- R. Cedeno grounded out to shortstop, D. McCutchen to third
- A. Iwamura struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

Reds 3 the other guys 3

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 80-44

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:33 PM
Votto having a nice night, is 3 for 3 with that single.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:35 PM
Phillips, double, Votto scores. Reds grab the lead, and never look back :)

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:38 PM
Cincinnati 5th Inning Summary
- D.J. Carrasco relieved D. McCutchen
- O. Cabrera popped out to second
- J. Votto singled to shallow left
- J. Votto stole second
- B. Phillips doubled to right, J. Votto scored
- B. Phillips caught stealing, by the base police
- J. Gomes struck out swinging

1 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors
Cincinnati 4, Pittsburgh 3



IP H R ER BB K HR
McCutchen 4.0 4 3 3 3 1 0

Pitches-strikes - McCutchen 75-40;

mth123
04-17-2010, 09:39 PM
I wish the Reds would stop trying to steal. They get picked off and caught stealing and have consistently for many seasons now. Save the running game for the bottom of the order where the hitter isn't likely to drive anyone in anyway. Nobody should run when Votto, Gomes, Bruce or even Rolen are hitting. Might add Leake and Owings to that list.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:47 PM
Around The Division
Houston 4
Chi Cubs 3
Final

Milwaukee 0
Washington 8
Final

Cincinnati 4
Pittsburgh 3
Bot 5th

NY Mets 0
St. Louis 0
Top 14th

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:49 PM
Pittsburgh 5th Inning Summary

- A. McCutchen grounded out to second
- L. Milledge grounded out to pitcher
- G. Jones walked
- R. Doumit struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 103-56; D McCutchen 75-40; D Carrasco 13-6.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 7-5; D McCutchen 9-5; D Carrasco 0-1.

Batters faced - J Cueto 23; D McCutchen 19; D Carrasco 4.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 09:57 PM
Cincinnati 6th Inning fly swatting Summary

- J. Bruce struck out looking
- R. Hernandez struck out swinging
- M. Cairo popped out to pitcher
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Herrera relieves Cueto



IP H R ER BB K HR
Cueto 5.0 5 3 3 4 4 1


Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 103-56
Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 7-5
Batters faced - J Cueto 23

mbgrayson
04-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Danny Ray Herrera in to pitch.

Reds get a break from the 1st base ump calling Young out on a grounder up the middle with a soft throw from O.Cab.

Clement grounds to Votto, 3-1.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Bottom 6th: Pittsburgh
- D. Herrera relieved J. Cueto
- D. Young grounded out to shortstop
- J. Clement grounded out to first
- J. Raynor hit for D.J. Carrasco

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors
Cincinnati 4, Pittsburgh 3

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Cincinnati batting through six


Dickerson CF 0-3
Cabrera SS 2-3
Votto 1B 3-3
Phillips 2B 1-1
Gomes LF 0-1
Bruce RF 0-2
Hernandez C 0-3
Cairo 3B 0-3

TheNext44
04-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Wow, that's a sign you are really stepping into the bucket when as a RH hitter, you ground out softly to first, right down the line.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Cincinnati 7th Inning Summary

Meek relieved D.J. Carrasco
- M. Owings hit for D. Herrera
- M. Owings grounded out to first
- C. Dickerson struck out swinging
- O. Cabrera lined out to right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Cincinnati 4, Pittsburgh 3

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Ondrusek on to wake up the crowd.

toledodan
04-17-2010, 10:14 PM
Ondrusek on to wake up the crowd.




LOL!:D:beerme:

Gallen5862
04-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Spring Fields thanks for the game and inning summaries. They are very helpful to those like me who can't get the game. I am surprized that owings didn't stay in to pitch after Pinch Hitting.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:40 PM
Spring Fields thanks for the game and inning summaries. They are very helpful to those like me who can't get the game. I am surprized that owings didn't stay in to pitch after Pinch Hitting.

Your welcome

Bottom 7th: Pittsburgh
- L. Ondrusek relieved D. Ray Herrera
- R. Cedeno grounded out to first
- A. Iwamura struck out swinging
- A. McCutchen walked
- A. McCutchen caught stealing, catcher to second



Top 8th: Cincinnati
- J. Votto grounded out to shortstop
- B. Phillips struck out looking
- J. Gomes grounded out to second


Cincinnati 4, Pittsburgh 3

NY Mets 0
St. Louis 0
Bot 16th

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:42 PM
Pittsburgh 8th Inning Summary

- L. Milledge popped out to left
- J. Gomes in left field
- C. Dickerson in left field
- D. Stubbs in center field
- A. Rhodes relieved L. Ondrusek
- G. Jones struck out swinging
- R. Doumit walked
- D. Young flied out to right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - A Rhodes 17-8; J Cueto 103-56; D Herrera 12-7; L Ondrusek 21-10; D McCutchen 75-40; D Carrasco 29-16; E Meek 22-16.

Ground balls-fly balls - A Rhodes 0-1; J Cueto 7-5; D Herrera 2-1; L Ondrusek 1-1; D McCutchen 9-5; D Carrasco 0-2; E Meek 3-0.

Batters faced - A Rhodes 3; J Cueto 23; D Herrera 3; L Ondrusek 4; D McCutchen 19; D Carrasco 7; E Meek 6.

flyer85
04-17-2010, 10:44 PM
Bruce is so lost.

is it getting close to the point where he needs to go back to AAA for a few weeks?

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:46 PM
Cordero coming on in the 9th to nail it down for the Reds :thumbup:

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:47 PM
is it getting close to the point where he needs to go back to AAA for a few weeks?

I don't know, but I don't think he should be getting any automatic starts over other players who are sitting and that knows how he is doing, while they get to think about sitting.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:50 PM
Cordero relieved A. Rhodes
- J. Clement grounded out to pitcher
- R. Church hit for J. Taschner

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:50 PM
Bruce is so lost.

Jeff Clement is loster....

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Church singles,

Cedeno up

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:52 PM
Because truly 12 games is indicative of an entire season.



C'mon man.

Seriously.

flyer85
04-17-2010, 10:52 PM
Jeff Clement is loster....

but they are the Pirates

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:53 PM
Fingers crossed so hard they're hurting....

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:54 PM
but they are the Pirates

I wonder if Bavasi was conflicted during that at bat?

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:55 PM
Runners on first and second, Cordero struggling.

Clement grounded out to pitcher
- R. Church hit for J. Taschner
- R. Church singled to left
- R. Cedeno walked, R. Church to second
Iwamura walks to load the bases

Price to the mound

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:55 PM
Dickerson probably should've had that one....

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:55 PM
YIKES!!!!!!!!!

edabbs44
04-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Dickerson probably should've had that one....

Yeah. Minimally, he should have jumped.

kbrake
04-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Cordero has been the one rock solid player so far. Figures he would struggle now with a 3 game losing streak.

jojo
04-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Mano to mano..... the Reds big stopper versus the Pirates best player...

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Breaking News

Jimenez pitches a no hitter for Colorado against the Braves tonight


Colorado
IP H R ER BB K HR
Jimenez 9.0 0 0 0 6 7 0

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 10:58 PM
McCutchen flied out to left 2 outs

bases remain loaded

jojo
04-17-2010, 11:00 PM
Hopefully tomorrow will be an easier one.... right now everything seems epic for the Reds...

TheNext44
04-17-2010, 11:00 PM
Cordero just misses with ball four.

Cueto is pissed.

jojo
04-17-2010, 11:01 PM
Dang it.... but really the Reds dodged one against AM during the previous at bat....

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 11:01 PM
Cordero walks in the tieing run in the bottom of the ninth. :(

Cordero relieved A. Rhodes
- J. Clement grounded out to pitcher
- R. Church hit for J. Taschner
- R. Church singled to left
- R. Cedeno walked, R. Church to second
- A. Iwamura walked, R. Church to third, R. Cedeno to second
- A. McCutchen flied out to left
- L. Milledge walked, R. Church scored, R. Cedeno to third, A. Iwamura to second

bases still loaded

ball three by Cordero

3-2 count to Jones

CTA513
04-17-2010, 11:01 PM
29 pitches for Cordero

TeamBoone
04-17-2010, 11:01 PM
Oh. My. God!

Mr. "lights out" is so NOT!

jojo
04-17-2010, 11:02 PM
Gulp....

flyer85
04-17-2010, 11:03 PM
the wheels are starting to come off the wagon

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 11:03 PM
Jones drives one off the wall, Pirates win in the ninth

Pirates 5 Reds 4

toledodan
04-17-2010, 11:03 PM
i predict the reds will not see .500 the rest of the season.

Tom Servo
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
:bang:

jojo
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
Ben Roethlisberger.... ya....that's all I got....

CTA513
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
36 pitches to go from winning to losing

TheNext44
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
Could see that coming.

I wonder what Cordero's record is with just a one run lead? I know I never feel comfortable when he comes in with one.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
i predict the reds will not see .500 the rest of the season.

There is going to be a mutiny in Redsland first. ;)

kbrake
04-17-2010, 11:07 PM
They will see .500 again they are just struggling really bad right now. It will get better.

Red in Chicago
04-17-2010, 11:08 PM
well, that's 3 hours i'll never get back....

CTA513
04-17-2010, 11:09 PM
Is Felipe Lopez really pitching for the Cardinals right now or is MLB gameday messed up?

Heath
04-17-2010, 11:09 PM
Well, go pound some Budweiser and go get'em tomorrow.

Heath
04-17-2010, 11:09 PM
Is Felipe Lopez really pitching for the Cardinals right now or is MLB gameday messed up?

Who knows it's the top of the 18th.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Final Cincinnati 4, Pittsburgh 5

WP: J. Taschner (1-0)
LP: F. Cordero (1-1)

Scoring Summary
Top 1st: Cincinnati
Gomes hit sacrifice fly to right center, O. Cabrera scored, J. Votto to third

Bot 1st: Pittsburgh
Milledge doubled to left center, A. McCutchen scored
Young doubled, L. Milledge scored, R. Doumit to third

Bot 2nd: Pittsburgh
Cedeno homered to left

Top 3rd: Cincinnati
Votto doubled to right center, O. Cabrera scored
Bruce hit sacrifice fly to center, J. Votto scored, B. Phillips to third, J. Gomes to second advancing on throw

Top 5th: Cincinnati
Phillips doubled to right, J. Votto scored

Bot 9th: Pittsburgh
Milledge walked, R. Church scored, R. Cedeno to third, A. Iwamura to second
Jones singled to deep right center, R. Cedeno scored, A. Iwamura to third, L. Milledge to second



Cincinnati
AB R H RBI HR BB K SB Avg
Dickerson 4 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 .308
Cabrera 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 .234
Votto 4 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 .310
Phillips 2 0 1 1 0 2 1 0 .244
Gomes 2 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 .242
Rhodes 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Cordero 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Bruce 3 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 .146
Hernandez 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .185
Cairo 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .154
Cueto 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Herrera 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Owings 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Ondrusek 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Stubbs 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .182
Totals 30 4 6 4 0 3 6 1


Reds Batting
2B - O Cabrera (3, D McCutchen); J Votto (3, D McCutchen); B Phillips (4, D Carrasco).
SF - J Gomes, J Bruce.
RBI - J Votto (3), B Phillips (7), J Gomes (8), J Bruce (2).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - J Bruce 1, R Hernandez 2.
Team LOB - 4.

Reds Base Running
SB - J Votto (4, 2nd base off D Carrasco/R Doumit).
CS - B Phillips (2, 3rd base by D Carrasco/R Doumit).

Reds Fielding
E - J Cueto (1, field).
DP - 1 (B Phillips-O Cabrera-J Votto).

Reds Pitching


Cincinnati
IP H R ER BB K HR
J. Cueto 5.0 5 3 3 4 4 1
D. Herrera 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L. Ondrusek 1.1 0 0 0 1 1 0
A. Rhodes 0.2 0 0 0 1 1 0
F. Cordero 0.2 2 2 2 3 0 0

Pittsburgh
D. McCutchen 4.0 4 3 3 3 1 0
D.J. Carrasco 2.0 2 1 1 0 3 0
E. Meek 2.0 0 0 0 0 2 0
J. Taschner 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0


IBB - J Clement (by J Cueto).

Pitches-strikes -
A Rhodes 17-8; F Cordero 36-17; J Cueto 103-56; D Herrera 12-7;
L Ondrusek 21-10; D McCutchen 75-40; D Carrasco 29-16; E Meek 22-16; J Taschner 4-4.

Ground balls-fly balls -
A Rhodes 0-1; F Cordero 1-2; J Cueto 7-5; D Herrera 2-1;
L Ondrusek 1-1; D McCutchen 9-5; D Carrasco 0-2; E Meek 3-0; J Taschner 0-3.

Batters faced -
A Rhodes 3; F Cordero 7; J Cueto 23; D Herrera 3; L Ondrusek 4;
D McCutchen 19; D Carrasco 7; E Meek 6; J Taschner 3.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-17-2010, 11:15 PM
Not only is this team awful, but they're not too terribly interesting or all that likeable either.

KronoRed
04-17-2010, 11:16 PM
Is Felipe Lopez really pitching for the Cardinals right now or is MLB gameday messed up?

Larussa really ran his pen out faster then necessary, at least 1 guy should be able to go more then an inning.

Spring~Fields
04-17-2010, 11:16 PM
Is Felipe Lopez really pitching for the Cardinals right now or is MLB gameday messed up?

Pitched 1 inning

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=300417124

TRF
04-17-2010, 11:17 PM
FeLo gave up 1 hit. Still no score.

CTA513
04-17-2010, 11:25 PM
Cardinals outfielder Joe Mather is pitching the 19th inning.

_Sir_Charles_
04-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Mets scored a run off of Mather. Mets bring in Rodriguez to nail it down. Promptly gives up a double to PooHoles & Molina knocks him in. Tie ball game 1-1. LOL

Pretty soon, LaRussa's going to have to pitch himself. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-17-2010, 11:52 PM
mather back out for inning #2

Kyle Loshe playing left field. LOL

alloverjr
04-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Poor Dusty. Last year of the last managing contract he's likely going to get and he gets this team.

Wasn't watching the game but was Cueto as bad as his line? 100+ pitches in 5 innings? Why are all of these alleged great pitchers - Cordero included - afraid of throwing pitches for strikes? I heard Cordero was throwing 3-2 split fingered pitches in the dirt instead of challenging them. I honestly believe it's a philosophical thing with the Reds.

durl
04-18-2010, 12:04 AM
Yep...the Reds had 4 position players in the game with BA below .200. That, folks will keep you in the bottom of the division. Combine that with the dreadful pitching we've had lately and it's a recipe for disaster.

I don't believe they'll continue to play THIS bad but I sure hope Dusty and Walt aren't sitting on their hands just hoping things will get better. Nothing is working for this team right now.

Spring~Fields
04-18-2010, 12:08 AM
Poor Dusty. Last year of the last managing contract he's likely going to get

I honestly believe it's a philosophical thing with the Reds.

I think that you're on to something there. Maybe the Reds need to change that philosophy?

WVRedsFan
04-18-2010, 01:53 AM
I repeat. The pitching is simply mediocre or even less than mediocre. You can live with that, but this team is just anemic offensively. Instead of spending money for a good MLB level hitter to roan the otfield, we continue to take players off the trash bin -- players no one else wants -- and flounder on the offensive side.

And while I'm at it, it's time to push Jay Bruce back to the bench and play one of those guys who might hit. Sorry, but I do not see it--his "Cannot Miss" reputation. He misses almost at an alarming rate. Dickerson is simply another one of those players any championship team would rarely play and Gomes and Nix are players other teams rejected as done. On a team with a world class first baseman, second baseman and third baseman, our outfield, at least offensively, is junk. Our pitching staff is not all that, but better than average. The result is 5-7.

Yeah, it's early, but I've had it with keeping Cairo over Ballentein and watching an really not ready for prime time Cueto do his best Josh Fogg imitation more often than not. Time to spend some money boys or just quit.

westofyou
04-18-2010, 11:42 AM
I repeat. The pitching is simply mediocre or even less than mediocre. You can live with that, but this team is just anemic offensively. Instead of spending money for a good MLB level hitter to roan the otfield, we continue to take players off the trash bin -- players no one else wants -- and flounder on the offensive side.

And while I'm at it, it's time to push Jay Bruce back to the bench and play one of those guys who might hit. Sorry, but I do not see it--his "Cannot Miss" reputation. He misses almost at an alarming rate. Dickerson is simply another one of those players any championship team would rarely play and Gomes and Nix are players other teams rejected as done. On a team with a world class first baseman, second baseman and third baseman, our outfield, at least offensively, is junk. Our pitching staff is not all that, but better than average. The result is 5-7.

Yeah, it's early, but I've had it with keeping Cairo over Ballentein and watching an really not ready for prime time Cueto do his best Josh Fogg imitation more often than not. Time to spend some money boys or just quit.


No you can't live with THAT, it's what has made the team you've been railing against for a decade, it's such typical Reds fan mindthink to want offense over pitching. Well I don't want it at the expense of pitching.

Ballentine?

He couldn't fix what ails this team

forfreelin04
04-18-2010, 11:58 AM
No you can't live with THAT, it's what has made the team you've been railing against for a decade, it's such typical Reds fan mindthink to want offense over pitching. Well I don't want it at the expense of pitching.

Ballentine?

He couldn't fix what ails this team

Uhhhh... what he said.

The Reds had offense in the early and middle parts of this decade. Didn't get us anywhere.... the pitching staffs of those years were laughable. Know why its laughable? Because their not pitching with anyone else.

The reason the Red Sox and Yanks are annual WS contenders is the fact most of their Starting 5 would be aces on over half of other Major League teams.

forfreelin04
04-18-2010, 12:00 PM
No you can't live with THAT, it's what has made the team you've been railing against for a decade, it's such typical Reds fan mindthink to want offense over pitching. Well I don't want it at the expense of pitching.

Ballentine?

He couldn't fix what ails this team

I'll add overvaluing young players to that list.

jojo
04-18-2010, 12:25 PM
Uhhhh... what he said.

The Reds had offense in the early and middle parts of this decade. Didn't get us anywhere.... the pitching staffs of those years were laughable. Know why its laughable? Because their not pitching with anyone else.

The reason the Red Sox and Yanks are annual WS contenders is the fact most of their Starting 5 would be aces on over half of other Major League teams.

The Reds actually only scored more than 750 runs in a season three times during the 2000's (they did score exactly 750 in '04 though) and only bested 800 twice (825 being the highest). This is with them calling a hitters park home for the better part of the decade...

forfreelin04
04-18-2010, 01:55 PM
The Reds actually only scored more than 750 runs in a season three times during the 2000's (they did score exactly 750 in '04 though) and only bested 800 twice (825 being the highest). This is with them calling a hitters park home for the better part of the decade...

Keyword was "had" offense, I didn't say they were "good." :D

WVRedsFan
04-18-2010, 02:11 PM
No you can't live with THAT, it's what has made the team you've been railing against for a decade, it's such typical Reds fan mindthink to want offense over pitching. Well I don't want it at the expense of pitching.

Ballentine?

He couldn't fix what ails this team

And I shouldn't have been railing about this team? And I'm the only one?

And yes, pitching is very, very important, so so is offense. If a pitcher allows 3 runs (or a team, for that metter), you have to have a team that can score at least 4 to win. For the last few years, we haven't had that kind of team except on occasion, so if a staff allows 4 runs early, it's very difficult to win. AND, what has the GM done about this? Pieced together has-beens and never-wasses to fill the voids. Patterson, Taveras, Caberra, Gomes, Nix, and others have been brought in to do the job and the result was a big old failure. That's what I was talking about.