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MississippiRed
04-23-2010, 06:13 PM
Lineups from CTrent (with a wrinkle for the Pads from Dusty--starting Arroyo instead of Cueto)

Padres
Everth Cabrera ss
Jerry Hairston Jr. 2b
Adrian Gonzalez 1b
Chase Headley 3b
Will Venable rf
Kyle Blanks lf
Scott Hariston cf
Nick Hendley c
Kevin Correia p

Reds
Chris Dickerson lf
Orlando Cabrera ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce lf
Drew Stubbs cf
Ryan Hanigan c
Bronson Arroyo p

Tom Servo
04-23-2010, 06:23 PM
Same lineup that I liked and predicted success for last night. I still like it.

Ghosts of 1990
04-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Other then Orlando still in the 2 hole... I think I like this lineup as well as any we've ran out there this year.

Tornon
04-23-2010, 07:29 PM
Was this just a switch? Or is something wrong with Cueto

Raisor
04-23-2010, 07:39 PM
Was this just a switch? Or is something wrong with Cueto


Bronson Arroyo will be starting instead of Johnny Cueto, who was given an extra's day rest according to Baker.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_04_23_sdnmlb_cinmlb_1&mode=preview

VR
04-23-2010, 07:48 PM
Bronson is going off tonight...fyi.

Raisor
04-23-2010, 07:59 PM
DJ Chat Cat

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:11 PM
Arroyo? Okay. A bit of a surprise, but Bronson's better on regular & short rest.

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:15 PM
1-2-3 1st for Bronson. That's both a rare and a good sign.

VR
04-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Arroyo....perfect game through 1. I pretty much called that one. :thumbup:

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 08:22 PM
Dickerson never met a bad pitch he didn't like or swing at.

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:22 PM
Fun fact....


The Padres have seen the most pitches of any offense in the NL. Conversely, the Reds had thrown the second-most pitches in the circuit, behind only the New York Mets.

Bronson over Cueto probably a good idea

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:23 PM
Votto in his comfort zone. 2 outs nobody on.

Okay, that's it for the slightly negative for me. :O)

LET'S GO JOEY!!!!

Kc61
04-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Dickerson never met a bad pitch he didn't like or swing at.

Dickerson seems to go after the low outside breaking pitch and miss it. The opposition knows this and keeps pumping it in there.

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:24 PM
5 pitch base on balls for Votto.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Votto with a very patient at-bat is on first with Phillips up.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 08:26 PM
Dickerson seems to go after the low outside breaking pitch and miss it. The opposition knows this and keeps pumping it in there.Works everytime. You'd think he'd learn.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 08:28 PM
Wow. The guy couldn't throw a strike to save himself and we still struck out twice. It could be a long night.

VR
04-23-2010, 08:29 PM
Boy Phillips has a poor approach up there.

Raisor
04-23-2010, 08:36 PM
2-0, Matt Stairs with a two run double.

Raisor
04-23-2010, 08:39 PM
Tony Gwynn, two run HR

4-0

mth123
04-23-2010, 08:40 PM
Ugh!!!! Arroyo and short rest sure didn't work.

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 08:40 PM
Gwynn Jr...2 run dinger. Hung a breaker.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 08:40 PM
4-0 SD.

What happened to the great pitching?

27 runs the last three games and 4 in the second inning tonight.

dougdirt
04-23-2010, 08:41 PM
4-0 SD.

What happened to the great pitching?

It isn't the 2nd half yet?

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 08:56 PM
Janish would have gotten that.

Sorry, instinct. :cool:

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:08 PM
What's the deal? A four run second inning and every one scatters?

Strikes Out Looking
04-23-2010, 09:09 PM
On his 70th pitch in the 3rd inning, Bronson Arroyo retires 95 year old Matt Stairs to end the top of the 3rd. Padres 4 Reds 0.

I believe Spring Training in Arizona has effected the Reds pitchers even though I can't prove it.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:09 PM
What's the deal? A four run second inning and every one scatters?

Never! Go Team! :redszone:

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:12 PM
Hangin'em rolls over on an outside pitch and grounds to short. One out.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:13 PM
Bronson takes the count to full and grounds out to second. Two down.

Homer Bailey
04-23-2010, 09:14 PM
Chris Dickerson is not a good hitter.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:14 PM
Chris Dickerson strikes out looking. Inning over.

Dunn goes deep in Washington vs LA.

Strikes Out Looking
04-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Kevin Correia no hitting the Reds through 4. Pads 4 Reds 0.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Chris Dickerson is not a good hitter.

Shhhhh. They might hear you.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:17 PM
Hundley grounds one between the two 35 year olds. Man on first.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:18 PM
Phillips dives and stops the ball. But no play. Infield hit.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:22 PM
Correia takes the count full and walks. Bases Loaded. Ouch.

Strikes Out Looking
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Walking the pitcher to load the bases is never a good idea.

CTA513
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
More bullpen work tonight.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Triple play and then lead off grandslam by Cabrera and it's a tie game!

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Wow. Walk the bases full and it's the pitcher. 3 runs minimum will score this inning. How can so many mistakes be made in one game?

Time to get Arroyo out.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:24 PM
Walking the leadoff hitter with the bases loaded, even worse idea.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:24 PM
Owings up in the pen. Arroyo at 80 pitches with no out in 4th.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
Owings up in the pen. Arroyo at 80 pitches with no out in 4th.

Looks like he'll be over 100 before this AB is over.

Tom Servo
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
So I'd say starting Bronson tonight was not the best choice.

VR
04-23-2010, 09:26 PM
Looks like the Reds are goping to let Arroyo get one of his two 10 run outings out of the way tonight

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:27 PM
Another full count to Cabrera who lines one to right. 6-0 Padres.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:27 PM
Arroyo is gone. Micah time.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:27 PM
Crowd not happy. Many boos.

2 in and no one out. More than 3 runs this inning, I think.

Our pitching has been worse than horrible this year so far.

CTA513
04-23-2010, 09:28 PM
6-0 and thats now 3 straight games Arroyo has given up 5 or more runs.
ERA is now at 6.65 and he still has 2 men on with 0 outs.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:31 PM
Jerry Hairston nubs one into right. Bases loaded.
Everything finding a hole.

Cyclone792
04-23-2010, 09:31 PM
All 454 fans in attendance on this Friday night are already thinking about heading to the bars. The Lost Decade refuses to go down without a massive fight.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:32 PM
No one can get anyone out for the Reds. Bases loaded, no outs and 2 runs in. Not good. So much for this staff. They have regressed.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Not looking good for the home team.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Grand Salami for Gonzalez. 10-0.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:33 PM
Pythagoras shakes his head.

Brutus
04-23-2010, 09:33 PM
If we made a drinking game out of the Reds' starting pitching, we'd all be total drunks.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:33 PM
Check that -- 6 runs in with the grand salami from Gonzalez. Our pitching blows right now and I fear it will for awhile. I don't envy Coach Price at all.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:33 PM
A strikeout! One Out!

Strikes Out Looking
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
How does a pitching staff go from middle of the road to the 1962 Mets?

Was Dick Pole that good of a pitching coach?

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Was Arroyo pitching on 3 or 4 days rest tonight?

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Groundball finds Votto's glove. Two down.

CTA513
04-23-2010, 09:35 PM
Arroyo now has a 7.43 ERA...

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:35 PM
Micah goes up the Stairs with Stairs and the pain is over. for now.

flyer85
04-23-2010, 09:35 PM
I wonder if the FO is starting to figure out what they have ... or don't. Really like to see Maloney and Chapman, as well as Heisey

Tornon
04-23-2010, 09:36 PM
That trivia question is Leake & Cueto, right?

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:36 PM
Owings has really shown me nothing since we got him for Dunn. He's very hittable and makes a lot of mistakes. I think we've placed too much confidence on marginal pitchers and players this year.

edabbs44
04-23-2010, 09:37 PM
I wonder if the FO is starting to figure out what they have ... or don't. Really like to see Maloney and Chapman, as well as Heisey

Arroyo and Harang won't be here in 2011. Just a hunch.

klw
04-23-2010, 09:37 PM
I just came in. I know the Padres have won 6 straight but I think that ends tonight. How's the game going? Is Cueto looking good?

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
Anyone catch the answer to the trivia question. I missed it.

Red in Chicago
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
guess tonight will be a good night to catch up on my tivo stuff;)

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Cabrera pops one to center. One out. Still a no-no.

flyer85
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Owings has really shown me nothing since we got him for Dunn. He's very hittable and makes a lot of mistakes. he has power ... as a hitter. He's a dime a dozen long reliever at best as a pitcher

edabbs44
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Arroyo now has a 7.43 ERA...

1st half Bronson.

edabbs44
04-23-2010, 09:39 PM
Anyone catch the answer to the trivia question. I missed it.

cueto/leake

edabbs44
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
I just came in. I know the Padres have won 6 straight but I think that ends tonight. How's teh game going? Is Cueto looking good?

were you at the bar?

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
At least it's fun to watch a possible no-hitter.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Votto takes the count full and walks.

Raisor
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Phillips just dogged that. Wasn't running down the line at all.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Phillips grounds into a Phillips by way of the Padres Cabrera. 4 innings NO HITS.

jojo
04-23-2010, 09:43 PM
Arroyo? Okay. A bit of a surprise, but Bronson's better on regular & short rest.

Or not.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Hundley Ks. One out.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
What a mess...

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Tony Gwynn gets plunked.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Correia pops out to Hanigan in foul territory. Two down. Man on first.

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Everthth smack another hit into right. Two on. Two out.

Raisor
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Dunn hit his second HR of the night

klw
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
were you at the bar?

No. but that would explain my typos.

Brutus
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Dunn hit his second HR of the night

More interesting from that game... Josh Willingham now has a .470 OBP and 2:1 walk to strikeout ratio

:eek:

oneupper
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Jerry Hairston flies out to right. 10-0 Pods mid 5.

Dunn goes yard again in Washington. Dunn and Taveras beating LA 4-1.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Dunn hit his second HR of the night

Hmmm...offense. What is that? We've got pitching and defense, but offense?

Never mind...

klw
04-23-2010, 09:52 PM
Correia no hitting the Reds through 4. Gee hope I didn't jinx him.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Correia no hitting the Reds through 4. Gee hope I didn't jinx him.Don't worry. We are hapless. Jinx won't work.

Cyclone792
04-23-2010, 10:02 PM
I love the Reds Live text poll tonight asking fans for their preference of hitters being patient or hacking. So far 70 percent do not prefer the toothpick's hacktastic approach.

Brutus
04-23-2010, 10:07 PM
I love the Reds Live text poll tonight asking fans for their preference of hitters being patient or hacking. So far 70 percent do not prefer the toothpick's hacktastic approach.

There should have been a third option... swing early only if you see a good pitch to hit.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
Before tonight, the pitching staff's ERA was 5.97 and now it's 6.60. Reds averaging 4,75 runs per game, but opposition averaging 6.06.

Tony Cloninger
04-23-2010, 10:09 PM
Dick Pole says to Redsone..."Who's your Messiah now Redszone...who's your Messiah now?"

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:10 PM
No hitter over

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:16 PM
Dickerson singles (avoiding the hat trick for now) and it's OCab--the RBI man up.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
No. 13 RBI for Cabrera.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
Back to Back grandslams and the Reds are right back in this game!

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
"Back to back, belly to belly and I don't give a hang cause we're done dead already."

The Kingston Trio, 1962

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
I love the Reds Live text poll tonight asking fans for their preference of hitters being patient or hacking. So far 70 percent do not prefer the toothpick's hacktastic approach.

I prefer patient hitters, but the poll was slanted. It asked if you prefer patient hitters or "anxious" hitters. Who prefers "anxious" hitters. Should have asked "aggressive" instead of "anxious".

Sorry for nitpicking, but I used to do polling and this stuff drove me nuts.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Phillips singles and it's 10-2.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:23 PM
Why would you take out the pitcher with a 10-2 lead?
With 2 out?

we're not used to that around here...:)

klw
04-23-2010, 10:24 PM
If Rolen is not hurt or puking (actively), why on earth is Cairo ph'ing for him? If he just stopped vomiting wipe yourself off and get in there.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 10:24 PM
"Back to back, belly to belly and I don't give a hang cause we're done dead already."

The Kingston Trio, 1962

Love the Kingston Trio. Still touring, although I'm pretty sure it's not the original trio.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:26 PM
Love the Kingston Trio. Still touring, although I'm pretty sure it's not the original trio.

Nope, Stewart, Reynolds, and Guard are dead. Bob Shane is retired and they are a shadow of their former selves these days. John Stewart and Nick Reynolds died last year. Why do I know this? Stewart and I were friends.

klw
04-23-2010, 10:29 PM
Cairo with the inning ender. Shocking. The only explanation is the Dusty pulled Rolen thinking the Reds had no shot of getting to his spot in the lineup and Rolen was in the locker room without pants on. I know its still 8 runs but come on try to compete. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Tony Cloninger
04-23-2010, 10:36 PM
The Germans? Don't stop him...he's on a roll.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:38 PM
Nix goes fishing. Kind of like the Germans at Pearl Harbor...

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:39 PM
Nix singles and it's Dickerson, once again trying to avoid the hat trick. Go long, Eric, er, whoever and we're only down 5.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:41 PM
Hat trick, Dickerson

klw
04-23-2010, 10:42 PM
glad to see Janish is in as a defensive substitution to protect the lead. the quote re Cairo will have to do with "gotta get everyone some at bats"

klw
04-23-2010, 10:43 PM
Hat trick, Dickerson

Im guessing that means three k's and not a 3 run hr?

WVRedsFan
04-23-2010, 10:48 PM
Im guessing that means three k's and not a 3 run hr?You would be correct, sir. Dickerson has now struck out 16 times in 39 official at-bats. That's an alarming 41% of the time. Only rivaled by Drew Stubbs who has struck out 18 times in 50 AB's (36%).

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 11:00 PM
Janish has a .500 OBP so far this season.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 11:00 PM
Fisher in. Let's see if he is healthy.

IowaRed
04-23-2010, 11:07 PM
Driving over Kanan, singin to my soul

there's people out there turning music into gold........

VR
04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
Gomes tries to hit the 7 run dinger....to no avail

Tom Servo
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Golden Sombrero for Dickerson.

VR
04-23-2010, 11:19 PM
I'm convinced Chris Dickerson can only see pitches on the inside half of the plate this year. 17/1 K:BB. Yikes.

VR
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Paul Janish needs to be the starting SS. For now.

Tom Servo
04-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Janish seriously wants playing time.

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Paul Janish:

.522/.923/1.456

Them's Manny numbers

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Paul Janish needs to be the starting SS. For now.

And batting cleanup :D

_Sir_Charles_
04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
Janish & Hanigan. If they haven't earned the starters jobs yet, I'm not sure what more they have to do. Every time they come in...they produce. Defensively AND offensively. Time to make the switch more permanent.

klw
04-23-2010, 11:27 PM
Did Votto K?

TheNext44
04-23-2010, 11:27 PM
Janish & Hanigan. If they haven't earned the starters jobs yet, I'm not sure what more they have to do. Every time they come in...they produce. Defensively AND offensively. Time to make the switch more permanent.

Or at the very least give them more playing time.

Tony Cloninger
04-23-2010, 11:29 PM
Heck...Cairo is useless....you have Janish to play 2B/SS and 3B...might as well get Sutton up here to do what Cairo can do.

WVRedsFan
04-24-2010, 12:25 AM
Heck...Cairo is useless....you have Janish to play 2B/SS and 3B...might as well get Sutton up here to do what Cairo can do.

Heard the Cowboy saying that Cairo was the first player off the bench, so you had to give him some swings. I had to go out during the last half of the game and nearly wrecked my car. Idiots!

WVRedsFan
04-24-2010, 12:27 AM
Driving over Kanan, singin to my soul

there's people out there turning music into gold........

You the man! You must be a Bloodliner. I think it might have been John's least favorite song, though he started performing it again toward the end.

My favorite baseball moment concerning Johnny was when Chris Berman had a clip up of a Giant outfielder losing the ball in the sun and Berman said, "just like John Stewart, he lost it in the sun."

Baseball fan, too.

durl
04-24-2010, 01:40 AM
I blame the poor start to the fact that George Grande is out of the booth. A lot of people here didn't like the guy but now that he's gone look how bad this team is without him. Serves you all right.


Janish & Hanigan. If they haven't earned the starters jobs yet, I'm not sure what more they have to do. Every time they come in...they produce. Defensively AND offensively. Time to make the switch more permanent.

Agreed. Go with who's getting the job done.

Ron Madden
04-24-2010, 04:13 AM
Sometimes ya just get beat.

GAC
04-24-2010, 05:14 AM
I want to thank Bronson Arroyo (and Owings) for allowing me to retire early last night and get caught up on my sleep. :D

WMR
04-24-2010, 05:44 AM
With an offense that is sucking as much as this one is, you've GOT to ride ANY hot bats on your team.

Dusty?? HELLO?!

Ltlabner
04-24-2010, 07:23 AM
Wow...was at game last night. This team is as bad as I was afraid they could be.

Bronson had a "Toronto Start" and just didn't have it. In the 4th it *appeared* he got cute and unintentionally intentionally walked the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher. Then proceeded to walk the pitcher who was trying to bunt. Fail. Talk about an off night.

Phillips being cast as a cleanup hitter has damn near ruined him. He looks horrible at the plate. No, I'm not saying hes a bad hitter, I'm just saying his approach of trying to jack every pitch just isn't a good one.

And way back in the 2nd there was a grounder past Phillips that started off the hit parade....it sure *looked like* one he could have gotten to. Didn't dive....didn't make any attempt to stop it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it sure seemed like he dogged it. Not to mention he almost seemed tentative in the field last night. There were two plays last night were he made the stop, and ultimately completed the out but he seemed to hold on to the ball forever and then make a last second throw (beyond the time his forward momentum was carrying him forward...it was as if he was waiting till the last second to make the throw). I could be 100% in outer space but he didn't seem his confident self in the field last night.

Left side of the field is S.L.O.W. Sorry to the folks who are tired of talking defense, but our left side is range challenged.

Our offense sucks. Sorry to the folks who are tired of talking offense but it's chock full of hacktastic guys and is going to a roller coaster seasons: some weeks will look good, most weeks will stink. Frankly, other than Votto, Hannagan and Rolen I just about don't care when a Red strolls to the plate.

Bruce has a great arm and is way faster than I give him credit for. If he can get it together at the plate he'd be a monster.

I sorta felt bad for Owings. While he's at fault for the grand salami, bases loaded and no outs isnt' an easy position to be thrust into. But somehow a mediocre long relief pitcher doesn't strike me as a good return for a power hitter who was on base all the time.

Tonight was just not a "sometimes you get beat" night. Tonight displayed all the fundamental underlying issues the team has and why it's not going anywhere. Yes, they could turn around and do the same thing to the Pads today, but ultimately this team just has too many gaping holes.

Looking for the positives: The cinnamon breadsticks in the Champions Club are awesome.

redhawkfish
04-24-2010, 08:23 AM
My daughter and I stayed at the game through the sixth inning. Worst game I have ever attended, and I have been to several hundred Reds games. It felt weird to be waiting for the Reds to get a hit to leave, because of Correia having a no- hitter going through five.

_Sir_Charles_
04-24-2010, 11:19 AM
With an offense that is sucking as much as this one is, you've GOT to ride ANY hot bats on your team.

Dusty?? HELLO?!

I disagree somewhat. Correia threw a really good game. We did score 4 runs so it's not like the offense is inept. We also scored a REALLY solid amount in the Dodger series. However, you do need to ride hot bats. And right now, those belong to Hanigan, Janish, Rolen & Votto. They should play everyday until they snap out of it or someone else starts raking.

The problem right now is the pitching is sucking. It's not Dusty's fault, it's not Bryan Price's fault, it's not GABP's fault, it's not Brook Jacoby's fault, it's not bad luck's fault. Plain and simple, our starters are not getting the job done. They're not executing. They all have the stuff and they all have the ability to get hitters out. But something needs to snap inside them and get them to stop walking batters and to stop nibbling. You've got a PLUS defense behind you...go after the hitters aggressively. I haven't seen ANY of our starters do that anywhere close to consistently. I'm sure Dusty & Bryan have both said this...I have NO DOUBT about this. The problem is the pitchers aren't executing it.

nate
04-24-2010, 11:32 AM
I disagree somewhat. Correia threw a really good game. We did score 4 runs so it's not like the offense is inept. We also scored a REALLY solid amount in the Dodger series.

The Dodgers have only been slightly less bad at allowing runs than the Reds so far this season.


However, you do need to ride hot bats. And right now, those belong to Hanigan, Janish, Rolen & Votto. They should play everyday until they snap out of it or someone else starts raking.

I'd say, they should play every day.


The problem right now is the pitching is sucking. It's not Dusty's fault, it's not Bryan Price's fault, it's not GABP's fault, it's not Brook Jacoby's fault, it's not bad luck's fault. Plain and simple, our starters are not getting the job done. They're not executing. They all have the stuff and they all have the ability to get hitters out. But something needs to snap inside them and get them to stop walking batters and to stop nibbling. You've got a PLUS defense behind you...go after the hitters aggressively. I haven't seen ANY of our starters do that anywhere close to consistently. I'm sure Dusty & Bryan have both said this...I have NO DOUBT about this. The problem is the pitchers aren't executing it.

No, that's not "the" problem. "The" problem is the Reds currently have no strengths. The offense, pitching and defense have all been bottom tier so far.

And it's _everybody's_ fault. The team isn't executing, the management hasn't been successful in implementing change and the front office hasn't put together a winning roster.