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_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 05:15 PM
Reds Lineup...courtesy of Fay



No rain here yet. Itís cloudy and windy.


Drew Stubbs 8
Brandon Phillips 4
Joey Votto 3
Scott Rolen 5
Jay Bruce 9
Orlando Cabrera 6
Jonny Gomes 7
Ramon Hernandez 2
Johnny Cueto RHP


No move has been announced. If Stubbs hadnít had his big night last night, I was expecting to see Chris Heisey in the lineup.

reds44
04-30-2010, 05:32 PM
I have a hard time believing this game is going to get played. St. Louis is about to get murdered by storms.



Widespread showers and thunderstorms developing around early evening. Cloudy with strong winds. Temperatures steady near 73F. Winds S at 25 to 30 mph.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-30-2010, 07:57 PM
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the bullpen if this game is washed out.

klw
04-30-2010, 08:45 PM
There was a story the other day ( in which there was about how there had not been a rainout in mlb yet this year. Latest since 1985.

Here we go
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100422&content_id=9494040&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&from=search_webresults<1>

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 08:51 PM
At this point, it is NOT raining and the tarp is NOT on. It's looking like the game will start on time...finishing is another story.

klw
04-30-2010, 08:58 PM
If it looks like there will be a delay after the game starts, I would start Owings or Fisher and then bring Cueto in after the rain is past.

It looks like the rain will move in within half an hour and stick around 1 to 2 hours.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USMO0453&animate=true

reds44
04-30-2010, 09:00 PM
The worst thing that can happen for us is an early delay.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:02 PM
If it looks like there will be a delay after the game starts, I would start Owings or Fisher and then bring Cueto in after the rain is past.

That's actually an interesting idea. I doubt Dusty will think of it, but that would be a good idea if it's an early delay.

reds44
04-30-2010, 09:16 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:18 PM
And this game is underway!

Drew almost makes it 1-0 quickly. Right to the wall.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Phillips with a 2 bagger! Keep it rollin' Brandon!

kbrake
04-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

My exact thoughts.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Stubbs crushed that to center, too bad Busch is one of the hardest parks to to hit a homer to center. To the wall.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Just in case it IS a rainout...let's jump on 'em QUICK!

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:21 PM
Really wanted Votto to have the green light there

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

MLB debut

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Penny scared of Joey

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Votto takes the free pass. 1st & 2nd with 1 down.

Rolen, Rolen, Rolen...keep this inning Rolen! Okay, I know...it was bad. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:23 PM
Crud. 6-4-3 dp

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:25 PM
Well, we didn't score...but we're certainly seeing the ball well off Penny. Every ball was hard hit. Heck, every ball was freaking smoked.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:29 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

2nd round pick in 06. LH OF

Career minor league numbers

.298 .363 .425 788

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:29 PM
Schumaker flies out to Stubbs. Really battled in that AB though. 9 pitch ab

NOT his mlb debut. Sorry. First MLB start. Jon Jay that is.

And he quickly makes an out. Grounder to Brandon

BCubb2003
04-30-2010, 09:29 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

First Chief Justice of the United States.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Either Cueto owns Albert, or Albert is due.

mbgrayson
04-30-2010, 09:31 PM
That was major league! Go brandon!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Albert grounds out to Brandon with a shift on. 1-2-3 Johnny C!

Ghosts of 1990
04-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Ok so I admit, here I am from an iPhone because this is where I check in when we are on a winning streak

mbgrayson
04-30-2010, 09:32 PM
Who the hell is Jon Jay?

John Fay with a typo in the last name.... Didn't know Fay could hit though....

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:32 PM
First Chief Justice of the United States.

+ "H"

John Jay

And co-author of "The Federalist Papers." A must read for any US citizen.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:34 PM
Bruce with a double down the lf line! I like it!!!


8 hits in his last 16 ab's...with quite a few walks thrown in there too.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Ocab grounds out...to THIRD, but advances Jay to third. Smart baserunning...again.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Professional AB from MR. RBI (although no RBI)

RBA
04-30-2010, 09:37 PM
Another crap call.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Damn! Shallow fly out to right and Jon Jay guns Bruce down at the plate. Anybody see the play? They made it sound like he was safe on WLW

reds44
04-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Sure looked safe to me.

mbgrayson
04-30-2010, 09:39 PM
Very close play. Need to see more angles to tell.

Raisor
04-30-2010, 09:39 PM
Professional AB from MR. RBI (although no RBI)

It's RBI Man.

Kc61
04-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Molina blocked the plate.

Gomes needs to get it going. Reds needed a sac fly there.

mbgrayson
04-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Very close play. Need to see more angles to tell.

I think he was safe, but Molina did a nice job blocking the plate. I can see the call, not terrible, but still wrong.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Holliday grounds out to Votto. Quickly 1 down.

RBA
04-30-2010, 09:41 PM
Molina blocked the plate.

Gomes needs to get it going. Reds needed a sac fly there.

But missed the tag.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:41 PM
Very close call at home, but the Ump, again was in the wrong position. The tag was high and late, and Bruce might have gotten his thigh in ahead of the tag, but the Ump never saw the tag and just had to guess.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:42 PM
Rasmus smokes one, but right at Phillips. 2 down.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 09:42 PM
It's RBI Man.

I'm not on a nickname basis with him yet. It's still MR. RBI for me.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:43 PM
Molina with a single to left

reds44
04-30-2010, 09:45 PM
God I love Bruce's range out there.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:46 PM
Just saw the replay....I don't even think it was that close. He was clearly in there. He tagged him just about on the shoulder. *sigh* But he's "Molina"...he's "awesome". :rolleyes:

Ron Madden
04-30-2010, 09:47 PM
God I love Bruce's range out there.


Three quarters of the planet earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Jay Bruce.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:48 PM
Razor with a shot to the track in center. It's only a matter of time. We're hitting the ball squarely off Penny tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:49 PM
Cueto K's

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:52 PM
My goodness. Stubbs with another deeeeeep shot to center. Rasmus pulls it in at the wall. Crud

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:54 PM
K #1 for Cueto as Penny sits down

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:56 PM
Ryan grounds out to Votto. 2 down

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:57 PM
Schumaker with a ground ball up the middle for a single.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:58 PM
Anybody know how old this Jon Jay kid is? He looks like a baby

Ron Madden
04-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Walk him!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Jay with a shot down the LF line. Ground rule double.

IBB to PooHoles. Good move IMO.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:00 PM
Bases jacked for Holliday with 2 down. *crosses fingers*

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:01 PM
Light rain just started

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:02 PM
Cueto really busting that fastball inside to Holliday

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:02 PM
Full count

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:03 PM
Single scores 2. Crud.

Degenerate39
04-30-2010, 10:03 PM
You got to love 2 out runs

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:03 PM
I've got to start the kids' baths. Can somebody take over PBP for a bit?

CTA513
04-30-2010, 10:04 PM
Got beat on the only non fastball thrown.

kbrake
04-30-2010, 10:04 PM
Not a big deal just need to get out of it without further damage.

Kc61
04-30-2010, 10:07 PM
Cueto made a terrible pitch ahead in the count to Jon Jay. Has to get that hitter ahead of Pujois/Holliday and was ahead in the count. Made the pitch too easy to hit.

Reds just not executing tonight. Frustrating.

CTA513
04-30-2010, 10:08 PM
2-0 Cardinals after 3 innings

Penny: 34 pitches
Cueto: 60 pitches

Kc61
04-30-2010, 10:09 PM
Cueto ends the inning with a K. 2 Zip after three.

Caveat Emperor
04-30-2010, 10:09 PM
I'm kinda sick of Cueto's routine. This kid simply isn't very consistent and doesn't have sufficient command to be anything better than a bottom-of-the-rotation starter. I hope the Reds start considering their options with him and his rotation spot on the future, because Cueto does not seem to be showing any improvement.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:15 PM
Wow. What was that?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:16 PM
Votto with his head down and didn't see Berry change the call from sending Phillips home to holding him.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:16 PM
The Reds are consistently the worst baserunning team in the league.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:16 PM
All those hard hit outs early on are starting to even out for Mr. Bruce.

kbrake
04-30-2010, 10:16 PM
Not as frustrating as getting picked off but my oh my does this team struggle with baserunning.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:17 PM
Bruce finds a empty spot. Single. 2-1 Cards.

9 for 17 now

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:17 PM
It's amazing they only managed to get 1 run out of that.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:17 PM
Bruce is soooooo lucky

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:18 PM
DP to end the inning. 2-1 Cards after 3 1/2

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:18 PM
That was Votto's fault. Never assume the runner ahead of you is going to the next base.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:19 PM
Unless somebody hits a HR or a ground rule double this team should just go one base at a time.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:23 PM
Unless somebody hits a HR or a ground rule double this team should just go one base at a time.

T-ball rules.

penantboundreds
04-30-2010, 10:23 PM
Was Barry telling Phillips to go and he didn't or did Barry throw up a late stop sign?

He should have scored...

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:23 PM
I know there are bigger guys, but Brad Penny with a bat in his hand looks like he should be a villian in a James Bond movie.

Kc61
04-30-2010, 10:23 PM
One two three for Cueto in the fourth.

Good thing about the recent games is Jay Bruce. Looks like he did when he first came up. Would be huge if he continues to hit.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:24 PM
Despite Votto's screw up there, the Reds baserunning has been impressive during this winning streak. Aggressive, going 1st to 3rd a bunch. Advancing on throws aggressively. Since that team meeting when Dusty ripped them a new one...this is the first gaffe. Not trying to excuse them, but the Houston series was some of the best Reds baserunning I can recall in a LOOOOOOONG time.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:24 PM
Was Barry telling Phillips to go and he didn't or did Barry throw up a late stop sign?

He should have scored...

He was flagging him home, and then threw on a late stop sign. But Joey had his head down almost the whole way.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:25 PM
6 pitch inning there from Cueto.

And now ANOTHER deep shot to the wall. Goodness. Just a wee bit more there fellas. I think that's 4 now to dead center to the wall.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:26 PM
I know there are bigger guys, but Brad Penny with a bat in his hand looks like he should be a villian in a James Bond movie.

"Do you expect me to be scared?"

"No, I expect you to strike out."

penantboundreds
04-30-2010, 10:26 PM
You are taught to run with your head down...that late of a decision is a bad job of base coaching. Should Votto run and look at the coach the entire way?.....At some point you make a decision and stick with it or that happens.

Votto looks silly but he was put it a bad spot there by Barry.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:26 PM
6 pitch inning there from Cueto.

And now ANOTHER deep shot to the wall. Goodness. Just a wee bit more there fellas.

Should have served more bacon for the team breakfast.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:27 PM
He was flagging him home, and then threw on a late stop sign. But Joey had his head down almost the whole way.

I think its on the coach, they were past the point of no return and an out was made because if it. Should have just tried it. If Phillips is out its still first and third or maybe second and third. OTOH, he may have scored and the coach can't be changing his mind that late in the play.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:28 PM
Ramon draws the walk

Degenerate39
04-30-2010, 10:28 PM
Great bunt. Almost beat it out

dougdirt
04-30-2010, 10:29 PM
We need a hit bad. After this next out, the game is official and the weather isn't looking nice.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:29 PM
I think its on the coach, they were past the point of no return and an out was made because if it. Should have just tried it. If Phillips is out its still first and third or maybe second and third. OTOH, he may have scored and the coach can't be changing his mind that late in the play.

But Votto's heading towards third there...Berry is right there in his line of sight. I agree that Berry shouldn't have changed it that late, but Votto still should've seen it. I think they were both at fault.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:29 PM
You are taught to run with your head down...that late of a decision is a bad job of base coaching. Should Votto run and look at the coach the entire way?.....At some point you make a decision and stick with it or that happens.

Votto looks silly but he was put it a bad spot there by Barry.

Exactly.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:30 PM
Stubbs grounds out to short to end the inning. Cueto out on a nice sac bunt.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:30 PM
I'll be salty if it gets rained out down by a run.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:32 PM
But Votto's heading towards third there...Berry is right there in his line of sight. I agree that Berry shouldn't have changed it that late, but Votto still should've seen it. I think they were both at fault.

He already picked-up the coach who was waving him on so he put his head down and ran like he's supposed to. Somebody's head was in the wrong position but it wasn't Votto. It was the coach who had his firmly up his rear.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:32 PM
3B coaches do that all the time. They go way down the line and wave a guy until the last minute so they can get a good view of the throw and where everyone is. It's up to the runners to be paying attention.

I would call an early meeting and go over basic running drills tomorrow just to make a point. Little league teams have better base running skills than the Reds have had so far this season.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:33 PM
3B coaches do that all the time. They go way down the line and wave a guy until the last minute so they can get a good view of the throw and where everyone is. It's up to the runners to be paying attention.

I would call an early meeting and go over basic running drills tomorrow just to make a point. Little league teams have better base running skills than the Reds have had so far this season.

Not like this.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:34 PM
He already picked-up the coach who was waving him on so he put his head down and ran like he's supposed to. Somebody's head was in the wrong position but it wasn't Votto. It was the coach who had his firmly up his rear.

I'll take your word for it. I'm seeing some video over the net but it's extremely grainy...hard to tell details.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:34 PM
Ryan with a leadoff double.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:35 PM
WOW. Hard liner back to Cueto. He snags it and then doubles off Ryan at second! NICE!

Ron Madden
04-30-2010, 10:35 PM
Nice play by Cueto!!!

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:35 PM
BTW, I do agree that the Reds baserunning is awful.

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:36 PM
Wow. Great play Johnny! Athletic lunge to catch the comebacker and turn 2.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:38 PM
Our 2, 3, 4 & 5 hole hitters tonight.... 5 for 6 with 2 walks. Not bad. That's passable. :O)

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:38 PM
You are taught to run with your head down...that late of a decision is a bad job of base coaching. Should Votto run and look at the coach the entire way?.....At some point you make a decision and stick with it or that happens.

Votto looks silly but he was put it a bad spot there by Barry.

I was taught to always, ALWAYS watch the third base coach and never, NEVER run with your head down. I actually got chewed out in front of the whole team because I ran through a late stop sign with my head down, and turned a double into a triple. I was safe, but wrong.

Maybe it's different in the majors, but that is how I was taught.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:38 PM
We need to get a run here.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:39 PM
K #3 for Cueto to end the inning. 82 pitches after 5. Not great...but improvement. I'll take it.

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:39 PM
BTW, I do agree that the Reds baserunning is awful.

FWIW, B-Pro's baserunning stat has the Reds at 4th best in MLB, having added 1.5 runs. We've given up runs on stolen base attempts and "other", but have more than made up for it advancing on hits, fly outs and ground outs. It's funny how the especially painful stuff sticks in your head.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:40 PM
I was taught to always, ALWAYS watch the third base coach and never, NEVER run with your head down. I actually got chewed out in front of the whole team because I ran through a late stop sign with my head down, and turned a double into a triple. I was safe, but wrong.

Same here, but with so many saying differently...I figured my coach was wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. *grin*

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:41 PM
FWIW, B-Pro's baserunning stat has the Reds at 4th best in MLB, having added 1.5 runs. We've given up runs on stolen base attempts and "other", but have more than made up for it advancing on hits, fly outs and ground outs. It's funny how the especially painful stuff sticks in your head.

That's what I was saying. Those pickoffs stand out, but we've been VERY aggressive on the bases this year.

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Rain is really coming down now Doesn't look like it's going to stop for the next few hours. Wouldn't be surprised to see the game called after 6. Better hope we score here.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:42 PM
Brandon K's

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:43 PM
Reds would be smart to let Penny throw. Looks like he's not happy with his grip. No need to make outs for him.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Joey draws his 3rd walk of the night. Getting the Albert treatment.

NOW LET'S GET HIM IN!!!!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Rolen...first pitch swinging...grounds out to 3rd

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Canadian's scare Penny.

3 walks for Votto

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
Let's go Jay. Time to go yard!

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
This AB could be the game

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
Someone say Amen!

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE hit by Jay!

2-2.

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
BRUUUUCE! Man is on fire. RBI single up the middle. Game might very well have been over if he makes an out there.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:45 PM
SINGLE! BRUUUUUUUUCE!!!! Tie ball game! 3 for 3

10 for his last 18. That's smokin'!

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:47 PM
FWIW, B-Pro's baserunning stat has the Reds at 4th best in MLB, having added 1.5 runs. We've given up runs on stolen base attempts and "other", but have more than made up for it advancing on hits, fly outs and ground outs. It's funny how the especially painful stuff sticks in your head.

Not sure of the math, but a team with as much trouble getting on base as the Reds do, shouldn't be giving the defense a second chance to get them out.

Wonder how this stat counts pick-offs. They don't count as a CS but are credited as a good play by the defense instead of a bad play by the runner. So, I wonder if they are considered in the equation because the Reds get picked-off a lot and it isn't all good plays by the opposition causing it.

Ron Madden
04-30-2010, 10:47 PM
I gotta tell ya I really like Jay Bruce.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:48 PM
Man is Bruce lucky.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:49 PM
Run and hit....Bruce to third. More SOLID baserunning. Bloop over Shumaker. 1st & 3rd

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:50 PM
LEAD.

Cueto needs to get three outs in a hurry, and lets go home.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:50 PM
Single by Gomes! 3-2 Reds! 1st & 2nd now...still 2 outs. I love 2 out rallies when they're for the good guys!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:51 PM
Hold the phone! Cabrera swipes THIRD! :O) Good thing the reds are a horrible baserunning team. *grin*

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:51 PM
Now that was good baserunning by Cabrera.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:51 PM
Cabrera literally steals 3B.

Gallen5862
04-30-2010, 10:52 PM
What is the score? What inning is it? How much rain are they getting?

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:52 PM
Oh dear God he's letting Cueto hit for himself.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:52 PM
What is the score? What inning is it? How much rain are they getting?
3-2 Reds, top 6, and a lot.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:52 PM
Ramon walks. Bases loaded for Cueto.

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:53 PM
Oh dear God he's letting Cueto hit for himself.

Is there really anyone on the bench worth taking him out for? Owings maybe.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:53 PM
Cueto battling hard here. Nice to see.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Screw hitting Johnny. Go get 3 outs, in a hurry.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Cueto K's. And the heavens have OPENED UP!

Anybody think they send them back out in THIS?

mth123
04-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Screw hitting Johnny. Go get 3 outs, in a hurry.

yep

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Tarp is on the field. Crap.

HokieRed
04-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Is there really anyone on the bench worth taking him out for? Owings maybe.

Serious question. You have to wonder if he hits for Cueto if we have a better left-handed stick on the bench.

Gallen5862
04-30-2010, 10:55 PM
Thanks Reds44.

RedsManRick
04-30-2010, 10:55 PM
I'm surprised Dusty let Cueto hit there. Considering the significant likelihood the game goes delay right now, he's quite possibly thrown his last pitch. Hard to complain about his at bat though; he put up a heck of a fight and struck out on a very borderline strike.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:55 PM
Screw hitting Johnny. Go get 3 outs, in a hurry.

Nah...call it NOW. It's official already

CTA513
04-30-2010, 10:55 PM
They will string this out as long as they can since the home team hasn't batted yet.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 10:56 PM
Tarp is on the field. Crap.

Why? It's official, right? 5 innings played for the home team

dougdirt
04-30-2010, 10:56 PM
Dear umpires.... thanks for letting us bat in the 6th. I didn't think there was any way it would get that far.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:56 PM
I have no idea why Dusty let him hit for himself. He had 1 inning at most left in him, and now he has none left him because of the delay.

And yes. Owings, Nix, Hanigan, Janish are all better options than Cueto.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:57 PM
Why? It's official, right? 5 innings played for the home team
If the team takes the lead in the top half of the inning, the home team has to bat before it's official.

If it gets rained out now, it's a suspended game until tomorrow. Better than a loss, of course.

Ron Madden
04-30-2010, 10:57 PM
I have no idea why Dusty let him hit for himself. He had 1 inning at most left in him, and now he has none left him because of the delay.

And yes. Owings, Nix, Hanigan, Janish are all better options than Cueto.



Agreed.

oneupper
04-30-2010, 10:58 PM
Why? It's official, right? 5 innings played for the home team

If they call it, Reds lose, Right?

Sorry. Didn't see Reds44's answer.

They changed this rule in one of the last few decades. I'm just too old.

reds44
04-30-2010, 10:58 PM
If they call it, Reds lose, Right?
No. Suspended game until tomorrow, and they'll pick up where they are now.

PuffyPig
04-30-2010, 10:59 PM
If they call it, Reds lose, Right?

No, because we took the lead, it would be suspended.

TheNext44
04-30-2010, 10:59 PM
I have no idea why Dusty let him hit for himself. He had 1 inning at most left in him, and now he has none left him because of the delay.

And yes. Owings, Nix, Hanigan, Janish are all better options than Cueto.

Yeah, that made no sense.

Degenerate39
04-30-2010, 10:59 PM
If they pick it up tomorrow will Owings pitch?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-30-2010, 10:59 PM
No. Suspended game until tomorrow, and they'll pick up where they are now.

why would it be suspended? if its official, it should be over.

If reds were down, they'd call it a cards win no doubt.

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:01 PM
why would it be suspended? if its official, it should be over.

If reds were down, they'd call it a cards win no doubt.
Each teams have to have the same amount of ABs in a game, unless the home team is winning heading to the bottom of the 9th, at which point having them bat would be pointless.

It's the same thing now. If the Reds didn't score in the 6th, the Cardinals would have won.

The rule makes sense. It wouldn't be fair for the Reds to have 6 ABs and the Cardinals to only have 5.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-30-2010, 11:02 PM
Each teams have to have the same amount of ABs in a game, unless the home team is winning heading to the bottom of the 9th, at which point having them bat would be pointless.

It's the same thing now. If the Reds didn't score in the 6th, the Cardinals would have won.

The rule makes sense. It wouldn't be fair for the Reds to have 6 ABs and the Cardinals to only have 5.

Touche.

Thanks!

Of course, it's not fair that the Cardinals have Albert Pujols and Matt Holiday, and the Reds don't.

mbgrayson
04-30-2010, 11:02 PM
why would it be suspended? if its official, it should be over.

If reds were down, they'd call it a cards win no doubt.

New rule...game would be suspended till tomorrow since we took the lead. Otherwise, game would be over.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 11:03 PM
If the team takes the lead in the top half of the inning, the home team has to bat before it's official.

If it gets rained out now, it's a suspended game until tomorrow. Better than a loss, of course.

Ah, thanks.

mth123
04-30-2010, 11:04 PM
It used to be that they would revert back to the last complete inning, which would have let the Cards win 2-1. Didn't know this changed. Guess I'm old too.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2010, 11:07 PM
Of course, it's not fair that the Cardinals have Albert Pujols and Matt Holiday, and the Reds don't.

ROFL! Classic! :D

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:08 PM
It used to be that they would revert back to the last complete inning, which would have let the Cards win 2-1. Didn't know this changed. Guess I'm old too.
Thank God they changed that rule, that makes no sense at all.

If it was tied, doesn't the game end in a tie now? Or would that only be if the Cardinals batted to and it was tied?

I seem to recall a Reds/Astros games a few years back that ended in a tie.

EDIT: I guess technically it's not a tie, because they make the game up anyway, but all the stats count.

Brutus
04-30-2010, 11:09 PM
Thank God they changed that rule, that makes no sense at all.

If it was tied, doesn't the game end in a tie now? Or would that only be if the Cardinals batted to and it was tied?

I seem to recall a Reds/Astros games a few years back that ended in a tie.

EDIT: I guess technically it's not a tie, because they make the game up anyway, but all the stats count.

Yeah it was a suspended game that they didn't finish as it happened during the last series and it wasn't going to impact the standings.

mth123
04-30-2010, 11:10 PM
Thank God they changed that rule, that makes no sense at all.

If it was tied, doesn't the game end in a tie now? Or would that only be if the Cardinals batted to and it was tied?

I seem to recall a Reds/Astros games a few years back that ended in a tie.

EDIT: I guess technically it's not a tie, because they make the game up anyway, but all the stats count.

Under the old rules, it would end in a tie if the last complete inning of an official game was a tie. Not sure how it works now.

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:11 PM
Under the old rules, it would end in a tie if the last complete inning of an official game was a tie. Not sure how it works now.
Having it end in a tie doesn't make sense either. Why wouldn't you just suspend it like they will/would this game?

SirFelixCat
04-30-2010, 11:11 PM
The wife and I are watching the game on delay (GB the DVR) and I asked her when Razor was up, "I wonder if Dusty PH's for Cueto since he's obviously not coming back if the game is delayed..."

IMO that was a huge, huge mistake by Dusty. I gave him props for walking Pujols earlier w/ 1B open, regardless of the result, but that was just a total miss on his part not hitting for Cueto there. Bad, bad decision.

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:13 PM
Here is the official rule, 4.12a:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/start_end_4.jsp


4.12
SUSPENDED GAMES.
(a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:
(1) A curfew imposed by law;
(2) A time limit permissible under league rules;
(3) Light failure or malfunction of a mechanical field device under control of the home club. (Mechanical field device shall include automatic tarpaulin or water removal equipment);
(4) Darkness, when a law prevents the lights from being turned on;
(5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead; or
(6) It is a regulation game that is called with the score tied. National Association Leagues may also adopt the following rules for suspended games. (If adopted by a National Association League, Rule 4.10(e) would not apply to their games.):
(7) The game has not become a regulation game (41/2 innings with the home team ahead, or 5 innings with the visiting club ahead or tied).
(8) If a game is suspended before it becomes a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game with be limited to seven innings.
(9) If a game is suspended after it is a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game will be a nine inning game.
EXCEPTION: Optional Rules 4.12(a)(7), 4.12(a)(8) and 4.12(a)(9) for National Association Leagues will not apply to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season or league playoffs.
No game called because of a curfew (Rule 4.12(a)(1)), weather (Rule 4.12(a)(5)), a time limit (Rule 4.12(a)(2)) or with a tied score (Rule 4.12(a)(6)) shall be a suspended game unless it has progressed far enough to have been a regulation game pursuant to Rule 4.10(c). A game called pursuant to Rules 4.12(a)(3) or 4.12(a)(4) shall be a suspended game at any time after it starts.
NOTE: Weather and similar conditions—Rules 4.12(a)(1) through 4.12(a)(5)—shall take precedence in determining whether a called game shall be a suspended game. If a game is halted by weather, and subsequent light failure or an intervening curfew or time limit prevents its resumption, the game shall not be a suspended game. If a game is halted by light failure, and weather or field conditions prevent its resumption, the game shall not be a suspended game. A game can only be considered a suspended game if stopped for any of the six reasons specified in Rule 4.12(a).
(b) A suspended game shall be resumed and completed as follows:
(1) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game between the two clubs on the same grounds; or
(2) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader between the two clubs on the same grounds, if no single game remains on the schedule; or
(3) If suspended on the last scheduled date between the two clubs in that city, transferred and played on the grounds of the opposing club, if possible;
(i) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game, or
(ii) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader, if no single game remains on the schedule.
(4) Any suspended game not completed prior to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season shall become a called game. If such game becomes a called game and
(i) has progressed far enough to become a regulation game, and one team is ahead, the team that is ahead shall be declared the winner;
(ii) has progressed far enough to become a regulation game, and the score is tied, the game shall be declared a “tie game.” A tie game is to be replayed in its entirety, unless the league president determines that playing the rescheduled game is not necessary to affect the league championship; or
(iii)has not progressed far enough to become a regulation game, the game shall be declared “No Game.” In such case, the game is to be replayed in its entirety, unless the league president determines that playing the rescheduled game is not necessary to affect the league championship.
(c) A suspended game shall be resumed at the exact point of suspension of the original game. The completion of a suspended game is a continuation of the original game. The lineup and batting order of both teams shall be exactly the same as the lineup and batting order at the moment of suspension, subject to the rules governing substitution. Any player may be replaced by a player who had not been in the game prior to the suspension. No player removed before the suspension may be returned to the lineup.
A player who was not with the club when the game was suspended may be used as a substitute, even if he has taken the place of a player no longer with the club who would not have been eligible because he had been removed from the lineup before the game was suspended.
Rule 4.12(c) Comment: If immediately prior to the call of a suspended game, a substitute pitcher has been announced but has not retired the side or pitched until the batter becomes a baserunner, such pitcher, when the suspended game is later resumed may, but is not required to start the resumed portion of the game. However, if he does not start he will be considered as having been substituted for and may not be used in that game.
(d) Rain checks will not be honored for any regulation or suspended game that has progressed to or beyond a point of play described in Rule 4.10(c).

For anybody who wants to read all that, go for it, or you can just trust me lol

membengal
04-30-2010, 11:14 PM
I just want to duck in to say, re: Dusty's walking Pujols to get to Holliday, right choice, every time. Didn't work out, but it was the right call.

mth123
04-30-2010, 11:15 PM
Having it end in a tie doesn't make sense either. Why wouldn't you just suspend it like they will/would this game?

It ends in a tie and if its meaningful at all to the standings, it would be replayed from the beginning. That's how you'd see guys with 163 games played back in the day. Of course, these are the old rules I'm talking about.

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:16 PM
It ends in a tie and if its meaningful at all to the standings, it would be replayed from the beginning. That's how you'd see guys with 163 games played back in the day. Of course, these are the old rules I'm talking about.
Yes, but I think it would make more sense to resume it from the stopped point than restarting the game all together, but that's just me.

mth123
04-30-2010, 11:17 PM
Yes, but I think it would make more sense to resume it from the stopped point than restarting the game all together, but that's just me.

I like the new rule better as well. I just hadn't really noticed the change. Not sure it has come into play much.

traderumor
04-30-2010, 11:20 PM
(5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead;

reds44
04-30-2010, 11:34 PM
St. Louis is under a Tornado Warning.

UH OH.

reds1869
04-30-2010, 11:42 PM
St. Louis is under a Tornado Warning.

UH OH.

Warning has just been cancelled. Hopefully the nastiness moves out of the area.

37red
05-01-2010, 12:02 AM
On the radar it looks to me there is a hole in the cloud cover coming

RBA
05-01-2010, 12:11 AM
Down in Arkansas:

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Three people have been killed and at least 25 injured in a tornado outbreak in Arkansas, authorities said late Friday night.

37red
05-01-2010, 12:12 AM
I forget, how long will they keep the lights on before they call it quits? If the Reds are on top when the top of the inning is complete, I do mean 3 outs but on top, do they get the win if storm come back and finish out the night?

reds1869
05-01-2010, 12:13 AM
The weather has been terrible for that part of the country this year. Hopefully no one else is hurt this evening.

reds1869
05-01-2010, 12:14 AM
I forget, how long will they keep the lights on before they call it quits? If the Reds are on top when the top of the inning is complete, I do mean 3 outs but on top, do they get the win if storm come back and finish out the night?

The game will be suspended. Under the old rule you are correct but now the game will be suspended until the Cardinals have the chance to bat.

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:14 AM
I forget, how long will they keep the lights on before they call it quits? If the Reds are on top when the top of the inning is complete, I do mean 3 outs but on top, do they get the win if storm come back and finish out the night?
As long as the Reds don't take the lead in the top half of an inning, if they get 3 outs in the bottom half of the frame, and at any point after that it's called, the Reds get the win.

For example, lets say they start up, retire the Cardinals, and then the rains came again in the top of the 7the and the game eventually gets called, the Reds would win.

However if it's called now, it's suspended.

Will M
05-01-2010, 12:15 AM
i turned the game off when Dusty let Cueto hit for himself. looks like i haven't missed a thing. in all seriousness this is a retarded move by Dusty. let Nix pinch hit. the game is 3-2. a single makes it 5-2. if Lance hits a gapper it could be 6-2. plus as has been pointed out Cueto's day was likely done due to the rain. however, even if it was not raining i would have pinch hit for Cueto. its Johnny Cueto not Roy Halladay or Johan Santana. even without the rain Cueto likely pitched the 6th & then is done.

With no rain:
potential reward >> letting Johnny pitch one more inning

With rain:
indefensible decision to let Cueto hit for himself

Degenerate39
05-01-2010, 12:15 AM
So when they make this game up will they play out the rest of the game or just finish out the inning?

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:17 AM
Sheldon just tweeted it's still pouring.

kbrake
05-01-2010, 12:27 AM
Anyone think they finish this tonight? Just curious what everyone thinks I want to get some work done in the morning but I'm wanting to see this.

37red
05-01-2010, 12:28 AM
So when they make this game up will they play out the rest of the game or just finish out the inning?

Good question that I should know the answer to. Also, once again, we're in the top of the 6th, if 3 outs are completed and the Cards can't finish because of awful weather, were you all saying it's not a done deal, because the Cards didn't get their final at bat?

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 12:29 AM
Anyone think they finish this tonight? Just curious what everyone thinks I want to get some work done in the morning but I'm wanting to see this.

I hope so but I doubt it.

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:29 AM
I'd be surprised if they finished, but the longer the wait the odds go up.

WebScorpion
05-01-2010, 12:31 AM
With no rain:
potential reward >> letting Johnny pitch one more inning

With rain:
indefensible decision to let Cueto hit for himself

With rain:
Perhaps Dusty thought Cueto would make an out quicker and get to the bottom half of the inning before the rain got to heavy. :dunno:

It may be one of the few times a quick out could be beneficial. Of course, wouldn't he have given Cueto instructions to get it over with and get out to the mound quickly... that obviously didn't happen.:(

37red
05-01-2010, 12:35 AM
There's a pretty good sized hole coming in the storm, wishful thinking of course, but yea, get the out and run to the mound. Get the game over and hope that they don't clean us in the bottom.

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:38 AM
Tarp coming off, but it's still raining.

kbrake
05-01-2010, 12:40 AM
Tarp coming off, but it's still raining.

Thanks for the updates

kaldaniels
05-01-2010, 12:41 AM
Mark your calendars folks, today is going down in RZ lore...the day Dusty did not pinch hit for Cueto.

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:44 AM
Favorite pinch hitting blunder:
Narron taking Hamilton out in favor of Juan Castro (I mention every chance possible)
Dusty not PHing for Cueto
or uh, other lol

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 12:45 AM
Mark your calendars folks, today is going down in RZ lore...the day Dusty did not pinch hit for Cueto.

I don't know about all that but I still say he should have sent up a pinch hitter for Cueto in that situation.

reds44
05-01-2010, 12:49 AM
11:25 central time resume.

Razor Shines
05-01-2010, 01:17 AM
Just sat down to catch the game on archive, but noticed that the "L" was still on. How long have they been in a rain delay?

kbrake
05-01-2010, 01:19 AM
Just sat down to catch the game on archive, but noticed that the "L" was still on. How long have they been in a rain delay?

Not sure I started drinking and playing some Golden Tee to pass the time I'm guessing 2.5 hours.

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 01:22 AM
Just sat down to catch the game on archive, but noticed that the "L" was still on. How long have they been in a rain delay?

About two and a half hours.

Red in Chicago
05-01-2010, 01:23 AM
i just watched "it's complicated" during the delay...first time i've actually watched a video that i rented in a long time...

Screwball
05-01-2010, 01:25 AM
Not sure I started drinking and playing some Golden Tee to pass the time I'm guessing 2.5 hours.

Are you in the game thread while at the bar? That's dedication. :thumbup:

kbrake
05-01-2010, 01:26 AM
No my roomie and I have a Golden Tee machine in the living room. Much cheaper.

Razor Shines
05-01-2010, 01:29 AM
Well Lincoln hangs two straight curve balls and gets pulled. DRH.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:31 AM
Pujols on first 1 out rasmus up herrea in

mbgrayson
05-01-2010, 01:31 AM
Cardiinals 6th

Lincoln in to pitch

Pujols singles on a soft liner to left.
Holliday lines out to Stubbs

Dusty puts Herrera in to face Rasmus.

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:31 AM
Dusty actually understanding the concept of high leverage situation.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:32 AM
Rasmus pops to a shaky gomes 2 out

Cyclone792
05-01-2010, 01:32 AM
I think that's the fastest I've ever seen Jonny Gomes run. It wasn't pretty, but nice job tracking down that one off Rasmus' bat for the second out.

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:32 AM
They say "God Bless You" when you sneeze because your heart stops for a moment. How come no one says "God Bless You" when they hit the ball to Gomes?

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:33 AM
Gomes may be a bad fielder, but it's not from lack of hustle.

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 01:34 AM
Lincoln gives up a single to Albert, gets Holliday to lineout to CF.

Dusty pulls Lincoln inserts DRH.

Nice move by Dusty,

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:34 AM
Ump fooled by DRH pitch

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:35 AM
Molina works the count 3-1, fouls off a hanger 3-2, flies to stubbs 3 out

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:35 AM
I love watching Stubbs in CF.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:36 AM
Say what you want about teh dust but he understood the importance of that inning

Razor Shines
05-01-2010, 01:37 AM
Gomes may be a bad fielder, but it's not from lack of hustle.

That's a very small "may".

VR
05-01-2010, 01:37 AM
Rain still in the area?

Razor Shines
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
looked like a ball to me.

Screwball
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
No my roomie and I have a Golden Tee machine in the living room. Much cheaper.

More convenient too. :beerme:

Reds need to play add on. Not sure 3 runs is gonna win this one.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
Top of 7 motte in, gives stubbs some unintentional chin music, 3-1, 3-2, k looking poor call imo

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
Stubbs is playing the role of Bruce tonight. Unlucky.

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
They should be hitting Motte. He's not that good.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
Phillps Go5-3 2 out

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:41 AM
Votto fly to left 3 0ut

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:42 AM
Top of 7 motte in, gives stubbs some unintentional chin music, 3-1, 3-2, k looking poor call imo

Ump having a bad game tonight. He's all over the place.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:43 AM
Sorry about the sloppy pbp I'm on the iPod touch

kbrake
05-01-2010, 01:43 AM
More convenient too. :beerme:

Reds need to play add on. Not sure 3 runs is gonna win this one.

We save money on drinks, have the game on here and the Golden Tee here. Its a definite beer me :)

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:44 AM
Freese up Danny still in base hit up the middle

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 01:44 AM
Sorry about the sloppy pbp I'm on the iPod touch

You're doing fine. :thumbup:

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:45 AM
Pinch hitter stavsnohs something base hit runners on first and second

Cyclone792
05-01-2010, 01:46 AM
Nice pickoff Ramon! Beautiful!

TheNext44
05-01-2010, 01:46 AM
Razor and OCab combine to try to save their jobs.

kbrake
05-01-2010, 01:47 AM
Great play Razor.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:47 AM
2-6 po of runner at second by Ramon awesome 1 out

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 01:48 AM
Maybe the Reds aren't the only ones that get picked off base.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:48 AM
Ryan up runner on first 1-2 count base hit. Cheap hit

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:49 AM
Baker bringing in Rhodes to Redemption

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:50 AM
That ball fooled Ryan and he slapped it exstein style

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:51 AM
Nobody I trust more in this situation

Ron Madden
05-01-2010, 01:51 AM
I thought bringing DRH in for Lincoln in the 6th was a good move, bringing him back out for the 7th not so much.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Ludwick struck out Greene up ground to rolen 3 out

Tom Servo
05-01-2010, 01:58 AM
All hail King Arthur.

forfreelin04
05-01-2010, 01:58 AM
Arthur is my favorite red dude is respect

VR
05-01-2010, 01:58 AM
Ludwick struck out Greene up ground to rolen 3 out

Not having Alberto come up this inning was a good thing.