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Vottomatic
05-02-2010, 09:45 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/05/rosenthal-on-marlins.html

Anyone interested in trading for him?

Trade the Astros Harang, Francisco, and Valaika.

They take on Harang's contract for the rest of this season and they're done with the big money. We take on Oswalt's contract the rest of this season and next.

The 'Stros aren't going anywhere this season. We gain a true #1 or #2 pitcher who always keeps you in games. He has never had a .500 or losing record in any season. And he has started 30+ games the last 5 or 6 years each.

GIDP
05-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Finding the money to do the deal is going to be the biggest issue, because I doubt they take Harang. I think if they are going to add anyone it has to be a LF bat. The Reds LF production is pretty bad this year.

Vottomatic
05-02-2010, 10:36 AM
Harang makes $12.5M this year and Oswalt makes $15M. They can't find $2.5M?

Then there's not hope for this organization.

GIDP
05-02-2010, 01:55 PM
Harang makes $12.5M this year and Oswalt makes $15M. They can't find $2.5M?

Then there's not hope for this organization.

You didnt read my post apparently.

HalMorrisRules
05-02-2010, 02:18 PM
Horse....cart

vottofan4life
05-02-2010, 03:48 PM
I dont know if anybody knows how much money is coming off the books after the season but as of right now Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo, Mike Lincoln, Arthur Rhodes, Ramon Hernandez, Orlando Cabrera, Laynce Nix and Aaron Miles money will be coming off the books after the season plus trading Brandon Phillips and/or Coco Cordero we could see about close to 30-40 million in spending money.. This could lead us to trade away some of our younger guys for bigger stars like Roy Oswalt, Carlos Quentin, Stephen Drew, Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp, or Nelson Cruz. Hell maybe even think bout bringing Josh Hamilton back.

Vottomatic
05-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Cris Carpenter is the difference between the Cards and Reds right now. Sure they have Albert and Matt, but having a #1 ace to me is the ultimate difference. They are guaranteed to win atleast one against us every time he pitches. We lack a #1 starter.

Not saying Oswalt is that. He's probably more like a #2, but I seriously doubt Bailey or Cueto develop into one.

The Operator
05-03-2010, 12:46 AM
Cris Carpenter is the difference between the Cards and Reds right now. Sure they have Albert and Matt, but having a #1 ace to me is the ultimate difference.

Not sure I agree with that. I see what you're saying, but I firmly believe that if Albert Pujols was hitting 3rd for the Reds every night that The Reds would have a firm standing atop the division.

Part of the reason St. Louis' staff is so good is for the mere fact that they don't ever have to face Pujols.

I think the Reds pitching will come around. Give me Albert Pujols in the middle of The Reds order any day of the week and I'll start printing the playoff tickets. As much as I don't like him, the guy is a force. He's an MVP every year. Carpenter is good he's not the best of his craft in the last 50 years. Albert is.

Vottomatic
05-03-2010, 08:42 AM
Another problem is pitching philosophy. The Cards walk Votto in a crucial situation with first base open and the Reds throw the ball right down the middle to Pujols.

The Cards also don't pitch inside late in the game to prevent opposing HR's (stated on the broadcast). The Reds have no pitching philosophy.

The Operator
05-03-2010, 11:43 AM
I certainly agree with you there.

Never in my life have I witnessed a team walk the bases loaded for Albert Pujols two days in a row - whether it's intentional or not. Just unbelievable.

I'd take my chances throwing underhanded to Ryan Ludwick before I'd walk him to let Pujols hit with the bases jacked. He's in that Bonds category now - you just can't count on getting him out.

nemesis
05-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Another problem is pitching philosophy. The Cards walk Votto in a crucial situation with first base open and the Reds throw the ball right down the middle to Pujols.

The Cards also don't pitch inside late in the game to prevent opposing HR's (stated on the broadcast). The Reds have no pitching philosophy.

I believe they do... I think all the years Dusty managed Bonds and all those intentional walks given to him probably reversed physiologiced him into pitching to these guys. Cause none of them are as good as Bonds or Hank... ;)

It has to be Dusty's doing because we are on our second pitching coach and been through 40 or so pitchers on the staff and every one of them pitch him the same exact way...

BLEEDS
05-03-2010, 05:47 PM
The Reds are looking to go young and cheap with their pitching staff.

Taking on Oswalt's contract for 2011 and 2012 doesn't fit in their plans.

Trading Harang and/or letting him walk after the season does.

IFF they are going to keep one veteran pitcher on this roster next year, it will be Arroyo.
Big if, considering the following guys could be available as SP's next year:

Cueto
Bailey
Leake
Volquez
Chapman

Wood
Maloney
Lecure
Owings (probably not offered Arb however)


PEACE

-BLEEDS

Griffey012
05-03-2010, 05:57 PM
I certainly agree with you there.

Never in my life have I witnessed a team walk the bases loaded for Albert Pujols two days in a row - whether it's intentional or not. Just unbelievable.

I'd take my chances throwing underhanded to Ryan Ludwick before I'd walk him to let Pujols hit with the bases jacked. He's in that Bonds category now - you just can't count on getting him out.

Your forgetting how they pulled that move many times last year also :D

Vottomatic
05-10-2010, 05:26 AM
The Reds are looking to go young and cheap with their pitching staff.

Taking on Oswalt's contract for 2011 and 2012 doesn't fit in their plans.

Trading Harang and/or letting him walk after the season does.

IFF they are going to keep one veteran pitcher on this roster next year, it will be Arroyo.
Big if, considering the following guys could be available as SP's next year:

Cueto
Bailey
Leake
Volquez
Chapman

Wood
Maloney
Lecure
Owings (probably not offered Arb however)


PEACE

-BLEEDS

The problem is, none of those guys even come close to being a #1 pitcher. Good luck battling Carpenter and Wainwright with all our #3, 4, and 5 pitchers. Forever in 2nd place we will finish until we get a #1 pitcher. Chapman isn't even close to being ready to assume that role.

Oswalt is the answer if they could swing it. Houston is already out of it.

ian_madden
05-10-2010, 09:48 AM
Leake again pitched like a #1. Get rid of the big contracts, lets sign the young guys long term, Evan Longoria style and let the good times roll.

UPRedsFan
05-10-2010, 10:37 AM
Vottomatic is right. Pitching is the difference between the Reds and Cards.

It may surprise some to know that the Reds are 7th in the league in runs scored and they've outscored mighty Pujols and company.

In spring training everyone was concerned about the offense. Will Stubbs hit, who will play left, will Bruce come around? It was the pitching we should have been concerned about. You have to match the Cardinals pitching to compete with them.

I don't know how the Cards do it year after year. Who is Jaime Garcia anyway? He's 23 and has a sub 2 ERA. Penny looked like he was on the downslide in Boston and now he's sub 2. Their entire bullpen is solid. The only weak link on their staff appears to be Lohse.

Have to find out soon if Bailey/Cueto can put it together. Can't rely on Volquez and Chapman. I like the thought of giving Houston Bailey plus a AAA hitter for Oswalt. Or give them 2 hitters and get money back. Would rather keep Cueto for the pen. I think that's where he's headed in his career. He could be a lights out 8th inning guy.

Caveman Techie
05-10-2010, 10:48 AM
As a Reds fan I want the Reds to sign Oswalt to a lifetime contract just to keep him from signing with someone else in the central and pitching against us.