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Will M
05-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Rhodes has been outstanding as a Red. Simply outstanding.
Despite being 40 years old he can still pitch.
This years line: 10.2 IP 3 hits 2BB/12K 1 ER

He is a free agent after this year. If he continues to pitch well I'd like him back for 2011. Obviously if we wait until the offseason he'll hit the open market.

Should Walt try to extend him now?
Wait until later in the year?
Wait until the offseason?
How much will it take for 2011?
What if he wants another 2 years deal?

Tom Servo
05-04-2010, 06:24 PM
Wait until the off-season and see what the asking price is. Relievers are risky, no need to lock him up ahead of time only for him to get injured or turn into a pumpkin.

Benihana
05-04-2010, 06:37 PM
If we can get a sandwich pick if he signs elsewhere, I'd be fine letting him walk. I liked the Affeldt-for-Boxberger trade. Would've loved the Affeldt-for-Scheppers trade, but that's neither here nor there (and we're on The ORG, not the MLF.)

RedsManRick
05-04-2010, 09:02 PM
After the season. He could get injured. His performance could decline. Very few relievers are so reliably special that they need to be signed to multi-year deals. It's great that he's been effective so far at 40, but the end will come sooner rather than later and I'd prefer to not be on the hook when that happens.

Spring~Fields
05-04-2010, 10:14 PM
Simply a question, nothing more, nobody come unglued. :duel: :)
Package him with another to try to solve some issues with the team, if the timing is right during the season???

edabbs44
05-04-2010, 10:19 PM
Simply a question, nothing more, nobody come unglued. :duel: :)
Package him with another to try to solve some issues with the team, if the timing is right during the season???

If the return is good and the team is out of it, that would only make sense. Unless he is projected to produce a comp pick, then that reutrn would have to exceed the pick.

Falls City Beer
05-04-2010, 10:21 PM
This team is destined not to contend for several seasons. No sense in wasting resources when they're not going to contribute to contention. Just focus on trading off Arroyo, Harang, Cordero, Phillips, and even Rhodes. And maybe one of Bruce or Bailey.

I think the Reds could make a nice mint off teams like Philly or SF--maybe Boston or LA if they turn it around for arms like Rhodes and Masset. Heck, they may be able to get something for Cordero.

Spring~Fields
05-04-2010, 10:36 PM
This team is destined not to contend for several seasons. No sense in wasting resources when they're not going to contribute to contention. Just focus on trading off Arroyo, Harang, Cordero, Phillips, and even Rhodes. And maybe one of Bruce or Bailey.

I think the Reds could make a nice mint off teams like Philly or SF--maybe Boston or LA if they turn it around for arms like Rhodes and Masset. Heck, they may be able to get something for Cordero.


That's odd. I was reading your comments above before your edit, then thinking, yes. Then in my mind I was asking you, but, who would be the good trading partners or teams for the Reds to deal with? You came back and answered without me writing the question. Wow you're good. :)

mth123
05-04-2010, 10:37 PM
The Rays could really use Arthur Rhodes. I'd want Reid Brignac.

Will M
05-04-2010, 10:47 PM
the problem with trading Rhodes for a prospect is that i don't really trust the Reds to get anybody good. its like a bird in the hand (Rhodes) is worth two in the bush (prosopect). part of the reason we have been so bad in recent years is that we fail to put 25 honest to goodness major league players on the roster each year. we have one in Rhodes so i am a bit hesitant just to say 'trade him for a prospect'.

Falls City Beer
05-04-2010, 10:48 PM
the problem with trading Rhodes for a prospect is that i don't really trust the Reds to get anybody good. its like a bird in the hand (Rhodes) is worth two in the bush (prosopect). part of the reason we have been so bad in recent years is that we fail to put 25 honest to goodness major league players on the roster each year. we have one in Rhodes so i am a bit hesitant just to say 'trade him for a prospect'.

I hear what you're saying--the Reds ability to identify prospects is horrid. But it doesn't make a ton of sense to keep spending money on 40 year olds.

mth123
05-04-2010, 10:49 PM
the problem with trading Rhodes for a prospect is that i don't really trust the Reds to get anybody good. its like a bird in the hand (Rhodes) is worth two in the bush (prosopect). part of the reason we have been so bad in recent years is that we fail to put 25 honest to goodness major league players on the roster each year. we have one in Rhodes so i am a bit hesitant just to say 'trade him for a prospect'.

Rhodes is going to be 41. Trade him at the deadline and don't worry about having Rhodes next year. They'll have to get somebody else soon anyway. Deal him while he can fetch some one who will help for a few years. That doesn't mean give him away.

Spring~Fields
05-04-2010, 11:09 PM
Rhodes is going to be 41. Trade him at the deadline and don't worry about having Rhodes next year. They'll have to get somebody else soon anyway. Deal him while he can fetch some one who will help for a few years. That doesn't mean give him away.

Yes, I would think that all trade suggestions are premised with the assumption that they would get back solutions that would move the Reds up and forward in a proactive manner, along with players that they can afford.

Give away is probably not what most of us are thinking. Of course the questions of value or over valuing come up. This is one place that I agree with otherís in that I am glad that an experienced Jocketty will be doing the driving in any deals.

camisadelgolf
05-04-2010, 11:43 PM
If we can get a sandwich pick if he signs elsewhere, I'd be fine letting him walk. I liked the Affeldt-for-Boxberger trade. Would've loved the Affeldt-for-Scheppers trade, but that's neither here nor there (and we're on The ORG, not the MLF.)
I agree with you almost completely. (I like Boxberger as the better prospect and think Scheppers' arm is a ticking time bomb.)

Also, don't forget about letting go of Schoeneweis to get another highly-touted pitching prospect (although his stock has declined quite a bit due to injury over the past couple years).

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 04:09 AM
I'd trade him as soon as possible. Sure He's been lights out, that's why I'd trade him as quick as I could before he burns out.

Ltlabner
05-05-2010, 08:10 AM
Maybe he can open a sports bar with David Weathers?

bucksfan2
05-05-2010, 10:01 AM
Maybe he can open a sports bar with David Weathers?

I was wondering the other day where Stormy was. I am somewhat surprised that he didn't get an offer to pitch this season.

Ltlabner
05-05-2010, 10:12 AM
I was wondering the other day where Stormy was. I am somewhat surprised that he didn't get an offer to pitch this season.

Every year they brought Stormy back I bemoaned it and claimed that was the year he'd turn into a pumpkin. Every year he turned in very serviceable numbers and quietly did his job.

Boy was I wrong about him.

Now we appear to be in the same vortex with Sir Arthur. Hopefully it plays out the same way and down the road we'll look back wistfully.

RedsManRick
05-05-2010, 10:28 AM
Every year they brought Stormy back I bemoaned it and claimed that was the year he'd turn into a pumpkin. Every year he turned in very serviceable numbers and quietly did his job.

Boy was I wrong about him.

Now we appear to be in the same vortex with Sir Arthur. Hopefully it plays out the same way and down the road we'll look back wistfully.

David Weathers is one month younger than Arthur Rhodes. Just thought that was interesting.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2010, 12:53 PM
Every year they brought Stormy back I bemoaned it and claimed that was the year he'd turn into a pumpkin. Every year he turned in very serviceable numbers and quietly did his job.

Boy was I wrong about him.


Me too. I'm pretty sure I said he was done during the 2005 season but he kept proving me wrong every year.

On Rhodes, I think they should wait until later in the year, but if Rhodes continues pitching well then count me in favor of bringing him back next season.