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edabbs44
05-05-2010, 11:36 AM
from the sundeck

Mets:
Pagan
Cora
Reyes
Bay
Wright
Davis
Matthews
Blanco
Niese

Reds:
Stubbs CF
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hernandez C
Cairo 3B
Johnny Cueto P

LincolnparkRed
05-05-2010, 11:53 AM
why is miguel cairo still on this roster? He better go 3 for 4 with a homer to prove me wrong.

Scrap Irony
05-05-2010, 11:53 AM
This lineup alone-- with Phillips back in cleanup and Cairo starting at the hot corner, along with Janish not playing for Cabrera-- should be enough to make this game thread much longer than last night's.

Ghosts of 1990
05-05-2010, 11:54 AM
Happy Cinco De Mayo. It's a lefty, so it's a loss.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 11:55 AM
This lineup alone-- with Phillips back in cleanup and Cairo starting at the hot corner, along with Janish not playing for Cabrera-- should be enough to make this game thread much longer than last night's.

Neise is a lefty, so that explains the Phillips move.

But I think the Janish saga is getting weird. I wonder if something else is going on.

membengal
05-05-2010, 11:57 AM
This lineup alone-- with Phillips back in cleanup and Cairo starting at the hot corner, along with Janish not playing for Cabrera-- should be enough to make this game thread much longer than last night's.

Not if apathy is setting in already.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 12:00 PM
Cairo has to be the worst player on a major league roster.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 12:02 PM
Cairo has to be the worst player on a major league roster.

Manos de Oro has 63 ABs this year.

Tom Servo
05-05-2010, 12:04 PM
Everyone knows Cairo should be batting 5th.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 12:08 PM
What did Janish do to honk off Dusty Baker so much that he never gets a freaking start? Geesh. :confused: :eek:

RichRed
05-05-2010, 12:09 PM
"Brandon, dude, if you're not going to hustle, I'm just going to have to demote you to cleanup."

pedro
05-05-2010, 12:30 PM
What did Janish do to honk off Dusty Baker so much that he never gets a freaking start? Geesh. :confused: :eek:

He hit .202 after being handed the starting SS job the second half of last year.

Cedric
05-05-2010, 12:30 PM
Just look at this lineup and explain to me why anyone is shocked the Reds have no fans left? It's just pathetic that someone actually gets paid good money to build a roster with this kind of mismatched junk.

lollipopcurve
05-05-2010, 12:34 PM
I wish Heisey was playing today. That 0 for 5 may have buried him next to Janish.

flyer85
05-05-2010, 12:35 PM
What did Janish do to honk off Dusty Baker so much that he never gets a freaking start? Geesh. :confused: :eek:he is not a crafty veteran (old guy) like Cabrera and Cairo.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 12:37 PM
He hit .202 after being handed the starting SS job the second half of last year.

I know what he did last year but everytime he's gotten a chance to something this year, he seems to be taking advantage of it so why not give him at least one start a week? I guess I'm just sick of seeing OCab's lack of range and would like to see a real SS out there every once in a while. *sigh* :(

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 12:45 PM
This lineup alone-- with Phillips back in cleanup and Cairo starting at the hot corner, along with Janish not playing for Cabrera-- should be enough to make this game thread much longer than last night's.

Yep. Strange lineup...but with a lefty, Phillips in the 4 hole doesn't bother me much. In fact, it shows that Dusty's paying attention to the numbers some. But then he takes that attention and loses it again with Cabrera & Cairo.

RichRed
05-05-2010, 12:47 PM
I hear Janish said Hank Aaron was overrated.

Razor Shines
05-05-2010, 12:49 PM
What did Janish do to honk off Dusty Baker so much that he never gets a freaking start? Geesh. :confused: :eek:

He won't date Dusty's daughter.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Just checked. Darn it. Game not televised on ESPN (or 2 or whatever) or MLB network. Early afternoon game...thought there might be a chance. Especially with it being the Mets. Oh well. WLW it is.

KoryMac5
05-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Cairo just continues to boggle my mind. Suprised the beat writers haven't asked Dusty about Yannish.

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 01:04 PM
Just checked. Darn it. Game not televised on ESPN (or 2 or whatever) or MLB network. Early afternoon game...thought there might be a chance. Especially with it being the Mets. Oh well. WLW it is.

SNY from NYC is the only one televising it. You have to live in NYC or have MLBEI to view it.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:18 PM
If anybody's got some time, read this article on ESPN. GREAT stuff from Blyleven, Palmer & Goose. :O)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100505

Gossage: "If a guy screws himself into the ground, I'm going to undress him." Classic. *grin*

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 01:25 PM
A game I get to watch live!! WooHooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

and then I notice Cairo is in the lineup :( at least Cueto is throwing

Go Reds!

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 01:31 PM
If anybody's got some time, read this article on ESPN. GREAT stuff from Blyleven, Palmer & Goose. :O)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100505

Gossage: "If a guy screws himself into the ground, I'm going to undress him." Classic. *grin*

Thanks for posting that. It's a good read. I like Gossages basic response to most of the questions; "I threw so hard nobody messed with me." :D

You might want to post that in the ORG forum. It would make for some good discussion.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:34 PM
Thanks for posting that. It's a good read. I like Gossages basic response to most of the questions; "I threw so hard nobody messed with me." :D

You might want to post that in the ORG forum. It would make for some good discussion.

I just did a bit ago. Actually I liked Blyleven's stuff the most. He almost comes across as a head hunter. But that quote from Goose cracked me up. Gossage: "If a guy screws himself into the ground, I'm going to undress him."

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Oh boy. Not a good start. Clearly a strike on the first pitch...called a high ball. *sigh*

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:38 PM
K

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:39 PM
KK

flyer85
05-05-2010, 01:40 PM
votto sticks out like a sore thumb. He is an island in a sea of ineptitude.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:41 PM
K #3

What was that I said about a bad start? Mercy! 95 & 96 for Cueto. Nice!

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 01:41 PM
Nice start.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 01:43 PM
votto sticks out like a sore thumb. He is an island in a sea of ineptitude.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? :confused:

Nice start by Cueto. Keep it up kid! :thumbup:

flyer85
05-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? :confused:
it was in reference to his offensive numbers compared to everyone else in the lineup today. If you're a Reds fan it is a bad thing.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Stubbs K's.

Cabrera single up the middle

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Stubbs with the whiff and Orlando doing his best Ty Cobb impression with a single.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:46 PM
Votto grounds out to 2nd. Ocab to second

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 01:46 PM
it was in reference to his offensive numbers compared to everyone else in the lineup today. If you're a Reds fan it is a bad thing.

All right. I look at it as a good thing though because it means there's at least one professional hitter in the lineup today, LOL :laugh:

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 01:47 PM
How's that for hustle?

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:47 PM
Nice hustle from Brandon there. Head first slide to beat out a single. Cabrera to third.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Bruce with a short pop up to end the inning.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 01:49 PM
I guess Brandon got the message, LOL :lol:

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:50 PM
I guess Brandon got the message, LOL :lol:

But for how long? They've had that conversation a few times already.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:51 PM
Somebody talked to these starters about their pace. All of them are pitching much quicker.

Bruce with a nice grab at the wall.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 01:51 PM
Nice hustle from Brandon there. Head first slide to beat out a single. Cabrera to third.

Haven't we settled this? It's not faster to dive into first base? Gomes tried it yesterday too.

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 01:52 PM
Haven't we settled this? It's not faster to dive into first base? Gomes tried it yesterday too.

Ahh....but it looks good. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:53 PM
Bloop single to center for Wright.

REDSEER
05-05-2010, 01:53 PM
I didn't see the play, but maybe Phillips was sliding to avoid a potential tag from the pitcher. Sliding at first only makes sense when avoiding a sweep tag. Otherwise, as stated earlier, it is slower.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:55 PM
KKKK Strike 'em out Throw 'em out DP!

Cueto's seen the minimum after 2. Keep pounding that zone kid! I love him getting ahead in the count and increasing his pitching pace. Those 2 changes will lead to MUCH greater success for Cueto

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 01:55 PM
strike 'em out throw 'em out ends the inning. Cueto is getting a rookie strike zone today but looks sharp.

nate
05-05-2010, 01:56 PM
Chat is open!

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:57 PM
Gomes....1 pitch, 1 pop out to Davis.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:58 PM
Ramon grounds out to third. 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 01:59 PM
Cairo legs out a IF single to Reyes

kaldaniels
05-05-2010, 01:59 PM
Cairo singles...at least that gets JC up this inning. :thumbup:

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 02:02 PM
I thought getting it past Cairo counted as turning the lineup over:)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:02 PM
Johnny with a flair single to Bay. 1st & 2nd for Stubbs

klw
05-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Uncle with the ground out to end the threat.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Sorry, phone call. Stubbs hits into a force out to Reyes to end the inning

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Matthews Jr. with a leadoff single to right. Cueto got behind 3-0 there. First time he's really been behind. He's also falling off towards first again and his velocity takes a dip due to it according to Brantley.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:13 PM
Blanco with a soft single to right. 1st & 2nd now.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:14 PM
Niese with a solid sac bunt. 2nd & 3rd with 1 down for Pagan

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:16 PM
Ball 1 & 3 both strikes according to gameday to Pagan. 4 pitch walk to Pagan. Bases loaded for Cora

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 02:18 PM
Good lord Johnny, the guys' batting .158, throw strikes.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:18 PM
Brantley gets a lot of grief here, but he does know pitching. Cueto looked fantastic the first 2 innings, but he immediately noticed that Cueto was falling off towards 1st to start the 3rd inning. Cueto immediately started throwing the ball off the plate on the 3rd base side...just like Brantley said he would.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:19 PM
Walks in a run. 1-0 Mets.

How is it that Brantley can see this but Price can't? I just don't get that.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 02:20 PM
Walks in a run. 1-0 Mets.

How is it that Brantley can see this but Price can't? I just don't get that.

Maybe he did and that's what the mound visit was about after Pagan walked.

Reds Freak
05-05-2010, 02:21 PM
Walks in a run. 1-0 Mets.

How is it that Brantley can see this but Price can't? I just don't get that.

I wouldn't say Price can't see it. There's a big difference in seeing a pitcher making a mistake and being able to get him out of that habit...

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:22 PM
Maybe he did and that's what the mound visit was about after Pagan walked.

Sorry, didn't hear that Price went out there. I hope he did notice it.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 02:22 PM
According to Gamecast, he's thrown one pitch in the strike zone in this at bat.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 02:22 PM
Cueto will never be anything more than #5 starter material until he refines his command -- and it sounds like THAT won't happen until he works out a delivery that he can repeat throughout a game.

The sad truth for Reds fans, though, is that these are the same issues that he's had since comnig up to the majors -- and Cueto's shown little to no improvement in that regard.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:22 PM
Pop out to Bruce...you do NOT run on Bruce! :O) Everybody holds. 2 down.

Kc61
05-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Nice save by Cueto only allows the one run.

Since the St. Louis series Reds have scored 3, 3, 0, 3, 4, including two extra innings tilts.

Wish the Reds could score some runs.

Nasty_Boy
05-05-2010, 02:25 PM
The Reds have some power arms but I'm amazed at the lack of confidence in the fastball. Cueto is throwing 95 mph and he opts for a 3-2 slider against Alex Cora... There is no good excuse for that with Reyes, Bay, and Wright to follow.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:25 PM
Somebody might need to take over PBP, I'm having all sorts of connection issues with Redszone. My internet connection is fine...it's Redszone for some reason.

membengal
05-05-2010, 02:25 PM
Cueto will never be anything more than #5 starter material until he refines his command -- and it sounds like THAT won't happen until he works out a delivery that he can repeat throughout a game.

The sad truth for Reds fans, though, is that these are the same issues that he's had since comnig up to the majors -- and Cueto's shown little to no improvement in that regard.

Which is why I advocated, on ORG, that perhaps a return to AAA to work on those issues may be in order.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:26 PM
Big huddle in the dugout with Baker, Price, Cueto & Hernandez. Good sign that they're addressing the issue immediately.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:28 PM
1, 2, 3 go the Reds in the 3rd.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 02:31 PM
1, 2, 3 go the Reds in the 3rd.


Big huddle in the dugout with Baker, Price, Cueto & Hernandez. Good sign that they're addressing the issue immediately.

Hope they addressed it quickly.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:33 PM
tight strike zone today. Kinda inconsistent too.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 02:33 PM
Mets announcers comparing Wright's hussle down the line with Phillips' jog in the previous inning. *sigh*

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:34 PM
KKKKK

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:34 PM
ground out to end the inning. 1-0 Mets middle of 4

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:36 PM
Despite the control issues, it seems to me like Cueto's a lot closer to doing his job than the offense is.

Cedric
05-05-2010, 02:36 PM
The Reds have a problem with both Homer and Cueto. One pitcher doesn't work fast and has confidence issues and the other pitcher can't replicate his mechanics pitch after pitch. With how bad this team is built it can't have Cueto and Bailey struggle all year.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:37 PM
Bruce with a hard single to right. Too hard for him to make it a double.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:38 PM
Gomes with a hit? No. There must be some mistake.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:39 PM
1st & 2nd with Hernandez, Cairo & Cueto due up. Murderers Row indeed.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:40 PM
*whew* Single skips past Reyes barely. 1-1 ballgame. Good job Ramon!

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Base hit by Hernandez and we are all tied up. Brantley got a little excited. :D

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Cairo lines out to a sliding Bay in left. 1 down.

klw
05-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Gomes with a hit? No. There must be some mistake.

Lightning patch on the sleeve of his uniform?

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:42 PM
CUETO! Bunt single! He was flying down the line! Bases loaded, 1 down for Stubbs.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:42 PM
Why not sacrifice with Cairo?

oneupper
05-05-2010, 02:43 PM
CUETO! Bunt single! He was flying down the line! Bases loaded, 1 down for Stubbs.

REDS catch a break. Looked out by a fraction of a step.

Kc61
05-05-2010, 02:43 PM
Why not sacrifice with Cairo?


Because the pitcher was up next.

Stubbs needs to get this run home.

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 02:43 PM
bases juiced for Stubbs. big moment of the game

klw
05-05-2010, 02:43 PM
Why not sacrifice with Cairo?

Jobu says "Live chickens work better."

Cedric
05-05-2010, 02:43 PM
Why not sacrifice with Cairo?

I know Cairo is bad, but sacrifice for the pitcher?

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 02:44 PM
A Stubbs "K" here seems almost certain.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:45 PM
*crosses fingers* no strike out , no strike out, no strike out, no strike out

Kc61
05-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Strikeout.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Stubbs has to make contact there. Dang.

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Stubbs K's on ball 4. fastball high over the middle of the plate

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Or not. Stubbs whiffs on a high heater.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Because the pitcher was up next.

Stubbs needs to get this run home.

This is why I thought the sacrifice was in order. Cueto about as likely to make contact as Stubbs.

flyer85
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
really a shame Heisey hasn't been getting a chance.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Stubbs -- almost like clockwork with the strikeouts.

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
At least Stubbs never hit into a DP.

Kc61
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
That is why OC is playing and not Janish.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 02:47 PM
Ocab singles in the leading run. Hernandez out by 30 feet.

thatcoolguy_22
05-05-2010, 02:47 PM
what was Razor ramon thinking?!?!?! stay at 3rd and let Votto bat with the bases juiced. stupid stupid base running

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:47 PM
Cabrera singles to knock in Gomes. Hernandez runs past Berry's stop sign. Goner.

But Ocab does the job. 2-1 Reds.

pedro
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Nice job Cabrera

Bad decision to send Hernandez. He was out by a mile and it would have been nice to get Votto up with two guys on base.

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
The Cowboy said Hernandez ran through the stop sign by Berry. Bad baserunning gaffe.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Joey Votto is left standing in the on-deck circle as the team runs itself out of the inning. All part of the joy of being a Reds fan.

HotCorner
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
The mental lapses by this team are just dumbfounding.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Up to the minute ridiculous stats...the two prime candidates to start in CF this year have combined for 48 Ks in 148 PAs so far, or 32.4% of their PAs.

Mercy.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
That is why OC is playing and not Janish.

I agree. But that's assuming Janish doesn't get a hit. Big assumption IMO. People just write off his bat way too easily IMO. But regardless, good job there by Orlando. Keep it up.

11larkin11
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
RBI single for Cabrera, but Hernandez runs through a stop sign and is thrown out by 30 feet. Really Razor? With Joey on deck?

flyer85
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
getting a runner thrown out with Votto waiting to hit. :rolleyes:

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Up to the minute ridiculous stats...the two prime candidates to start in CF this year have combined for 48 Ks in 148 PAs so far, or 32.4% of their PAs.

Mercy.

It's not like this wasn't Stubbs MO in the minors either...

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 02:49 PM
The Cowboy said Hernandez ran through the stop sign by Berry. Bad baserunning gaffe.

Not a very good move by Hernandez. :thumbdown

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:49 PM
If we're going to play OCAB, it might make sense to put him at leadoff, then play Heisey in CF for a week and hit him 8th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:49 PM
Apparently Berry's stop sign was written in English and not Spanish. Bad Berry...bad, bad Berry!

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 02:49 PM
Mark Berry should be fired for that play.

KoryMac5
05-05-2010, 02:50 PM
Berry has to put up the stop sign a lot quicker for Ramon in that spot.

11larkin11
05-05-2010, 02:50 PM
Mark Berry should be fired for that play.

For putting up a stop sign and Yadier Molina-lite running through it?

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:50 PM
The mental lapses by this team are just dumbfounding.

At some point somebody has to be responsible, and I have a nomination.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:51 PM
Niese flies out to Drew. 1 down.

pedro
05-05-2010, 02:51 PM
I agree. But that's assuming Janish doesn't get a hit. Big assumption IMO. People just write off his bat way too easily IMO. But regardless, good job there by Orlando. Keep it up.

OTOH, I think some folks are willing to give Janish too much credit for a good spring and some nice numbers in an extremely small sample size this year even when his entire minor and major league career screams NOODLE BAT!

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:52 PM
Pagan with a bunt single.

KoryMac5
05-05-2010, 02:52 PM
I am having a tough time justifying keeping Stubbs on this team. It's pretty obvious he needs to work on that long swing of his. He is nothing more than an all or nothing hitter. Right now nothing is getting the most of him.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 02:52 PM
I'd like to see the replay again, but the Mets guys are saying that Berry was waving Ramon on and then changed it to a stop sign...probably too late to stop Hernandez.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:54 PM
OTOH, I think some folks are willing to give Janish too much credit for a good spring and some nice numbers in an extremely small sample size this year even when his entire minor and major league career screams NOODLE BAT!

Fair point. But when you've got a player with a hot bat...you play that player, right? Ride the hot bat. I'm sure by now it's cooled. Heck, it's probably put into deep freeze at this point. But I still think he's too easily dismissed. A solid spring and solid start could also be a sign of improvement...not just an aberration.

Cedric
05-05-2010, 02:55 PM
Cueto can't even get Joey Cora out right now. Pretty depressing year so far from the likes of Cueto/Bailey/Stubbs. The core young guys.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:55 PM
Cora singles to Gomes...but he tries to get Pagan at third and lets Cora head to 2nd. Bad choice there.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 02:55 PM
I've a lineup for the next game: 1. Cabrera 2. Phillips 3. Votto 4. Rolen 5. Bruce 6. Gomes 7. Hanigan 8. Heisey. If Gomes starts to hit even just a little, that lineup should approximate a major league one a lot better than today's or most days'

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 02:55 PM
It's not like this wasn't Stubbs MO in the minors either...

It was also the scouting report going into the draft. But this isn't the time or place for that discussion.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 02:56 PM
Cueto can't even get Joey Cora out right now. Pretty depressing year so far from the likes of Cueto/Bailey/Stubbs. The core young guys.

Yeah, this stuff depressed me more than the overall performance of the team. Would like to see some progress out of the youngsters.

pedro
05-05-2010, 02:57 PM
Fair point. But when you've got a player with a hot bat...you play that player, right? Ride the hot bat. I'm sure by now it's cooled. Heck, it's probably put into deep freeze at this point. But I still think he's too easily dismissed. A solid spring and solid start could also be a sign of improvement...not just an aberration.

I think it's bad business to sign vet free agents and then sit them b/c the back up had a good spring or a good game or two. At least if you want to attract FA's in the future.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:58 PM
Grounder to short. 2-2 ballgame.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:59 PM
I think it's bad business to sign vet free agents and then sit them b/c the back up had a good spring or a good game or two. At least if you want to attract FA's in the future.

Even if the FA is a backup himself at this point in his career? A 50-50 split in starts would make some sense to me. OC's an aging player who could use the breaks to keep his legs fresher. PJ's is a player who needs some regular ab's to show what he's capable of.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 02:59 PM
KKKKKK

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 02:59 PM
For putting up a stop sign and Yadier Molina-lite running through it?

He waived him first and then put the stop sign up when he was midway down the line. AWFUL.

Cedric
05-05-2010, 03:00 PM
Even if the FA is a backup himself at this point in his career?

What other FA do the Reds bring in? :)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:02 PM
What other FA do the Reds bring in? :)

LOL. Touche'. He shoots and he scores! :O)

pedro
05-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Even if the FA is a backup himself at this point in his career?

Not if he was signed to be a starter and the back up is not a stud. Janish is a lateral move, just don't see it as a good organizational move this early in the season.

Plus I watched Janish play the second half of last year. It was painful.

Cabrera does a lot of things that don't show up in the raw stats. He's a good ball player, even if he isn't what he once was. I think he'll get better as the season goes on.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 03:03 PM
It was also the scouting report going into the draft. But this isn't the time or place for that discussion.

Something more than a few people pointed out as well, if I recall.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Votto hits the 2nd base bag and takes the free single. Reyes had it if it hadn't hit the bag.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Votto nailed trying to steal

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Votto, out trying to steal 2nd.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 03:04 PM
I wonder if the Mets cringe every time they play a game that has a tie score for any amount of time now after that 20 inning marathon they played a few weeks ago, LOL :laugh:

Ugh, Joey with the hit and then caught stealing. :bang:

pedro
05-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Enough of Votto the base stealer already.

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 03:08 PM
Think if Votto hadn't tried to steal...would've been 2 runs instead of 1.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 03:08 PM
I wonder who called for that?

oneupper
05-05-2010, 03:08 PM
Brandon Phillips loves the Mets.

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 03:08 PM
Phillips!!!! :jump::jump::jump:

RedsManRick
05-05-2010, 03:09 PM
Got to love outs on the basepaths.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:09 PM
Not if he was signed to be a starter and the back up is not a stud. Janish is a lateral move, just don't see it as a good organizational move this early in the season.

Plus I watched Janish play the second half of last year. It was painful.

Cabrera does a lot of things that don't show up in the raw stats. He's a good ball player, even if he isn't what he once was. I think he'll get better as the season goes on.

I agree with some of this. Janish DID struggle at the plate in the second half. But was that his true level? Or was he slumping? Pretty small sample size too. Cabrera will improve at the dish I think as well. But I don't see him coming close to hitting enough to validate his defense. It's THAT bad.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 03:09 PM
How bad can the baserunning get?

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:09 PM
PHILLIPS!!! :jump:

That steal hurts Joey.

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 03:10 PM
Got to love outs on the basepaths.

Dude, Dusty doesn't like clogging up the bases. C'mon!

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 03:11 PM
GOMES!!!

About time. Much needed from him.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Gomes!!! :jump:

oneupper
05-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Johnny!

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Hank Gomes

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Gomes!!! :jump::jump::jump:

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 03:12 PM
Great to see this hitting but with just a little smarter approach on the bases we'd have this game put away. Instead it will no doubt become a nailbiter.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 03:12 PM
According to Gamecast, Gome's home run landed somewhere in West Virginia.

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 03:14 PM
According to Gamecast, Gome's home run landed somewhere in West Virginia.

I would guess that ball was at least 400 feet...maybe a little more.

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 03:14 PM
Can somebody please step up and hold a 2 run lead. :pray:

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 03:15 PM
According to Gamecast, Gome's home run landed somewhere in West Virginia.

Sweet! It's about time for Jonny. :jump:

fearofpopvol1
05-05-2010, 03:15 PM
That out by Votto really hurts right about now.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:15 PM
Cueto gives one back. Wright HR

KoryMac5
05-05-2010, 03:16 PM
Votto had a great jump on that steal attempt. Blanco made a perfect throw to get him. I have no problem with Votto stealing there. Plus there is no way to tell if Niese pitches to Phillips the same with Votto on base vs. with no runners on.

membengal
05-05-2010, 03:16 PM
Thom B marveling on the radio at how the routine looking flyballs to RF are sailing out today.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 03:16 PM
A question here. The Mets guys are saying that the Ohio River belongs to Kentucky. Is that true?

bucksfan2
05-05-2010, 03:17 PM
A question here. The Mets guys are saying that the Ohio River belongs to Kentucky. Is that true?

No all of it but most of it.

LincolnparkRed
05-05-2010, 03:18 PM
A question here. The Mets guys are saying that the Ohio River belongs to Kentucky. Is that true?

yes, once you are in the water you are in KY or at least that is how my social studies teacher taught us

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 03:18 PM
A question here. The Mets guys are saying that the Ohio River belongs to Kentucky. Is that true?

I'm pretty sure it is.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:18 PM
KKKKKKK

flyer85
05-05-2010, 03:19 PM
Cueto has thrown enough pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:19 PM
Herrera & Lincoln warming

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:20 PM
KKKKKKKK

8 strikeouts will increase that pitch count. Around 115 now.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Fly out to Stubbs to end the inning. 4-3 Reds middle of 6. He settled down after the dinger, but I think I'd pull him here and let him leave with some confidence and the lead.

His spot does come up here...if the situation presents itself, I might let him bunt...but he should be done pitching.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Excellent, he gets out of it. 6 IP, 3 ER is not a bad afternoon. Especially when balls are flying out of RF like they were apparantly.

Hoosier Red
05-05-2010, 03:24 PM
Fly out to Stubbs to end the inning. 4-3 Reds middle of 6. He settled down after the dinger, but I think I'd pull him here and let him leave with some confidence and the lead.

His spot does come up here...if the situation presents itself, I might let him bunt...but he should be done pitching.

Absolutely, though perhaps they should see if he can hit for himself first:)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Cairo broken bat pop out.

Heisey PH'ing for Cueto.

NDRed
05-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Yes, nice outng by Cueto. I'm sure he is done for the day at 118 pitches. We have to get some starts like this. 8 k's in 6 innings makes for a good start.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Well, that was quick. 3 pitch K for Heisey.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Rhodes warming now.

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Heisey can't hit either.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 03:28 PM
Heisey can't hit either.

I've slowly and reluctantly been coming to the conclusion that the CF answer is not yet in the organization.

RichRed
05-05-2010, 03:29 PM
Heisey can't hit either.

Fits right in.

Ron Madden
05-05-2010, 03:29 PM
I've slowly and reluctantly been coming to the conclusion that the CF answer is not yet in the organization.

That seems to be the case, so far. :(

Kc61
05-05-2010, 03:30 PM
I've slowly and reluctantly been coming to the conclusion that the CF answer is not yet in the organization.

Have to be patient. Stubbs is very talented, he probably will be ok, just needs time.

cumberlandreds
05-05-2010, 03:31 PM
I've slowly and reluctantly been coming to the conclusion that the CF answer is not yet in the organization.

Reds missed a big opportunity last season to get Nyger Morgan from the Pirates. The Nats got him basically for nothing and he's been terrific for them. Maybe the Pirates wouldn't have dealt him to the Reds but he would have been the answer in CF for the Reds.

CTA513
05-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Lots of K's by guys who are not power hitters.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Have to be patient. Stubbs is very talented, he probably will be ok, just needs time.


I'd like to see it but it's hard to be a major leaguer without that basic ability to make consistent contact.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Heisey can't hit either.

Shouldn't be based solely on his debut to date, but I think his reputation was way overblown.

TheNext44
05-05-2010, 03:40 PM
I'd like to see it but it's hard to be a major leaguer without that basic ability to make consistent contact.

tell that to Mark Reynolds. :)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:40 PM
Have to be patient. Stubbs is very talented, he probably will be ok, just needs time.

Agreed. He was quite good when he first came up. The pitchers adjusted. Now it's his turn to adjust. He's a work in progress.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:42 PM
To the people watching...was that a swing by Reyes? The WLW guys making it out to be CLEARLY a swing.

2 down regardless.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:45 PM
BIG K ARTHUR! Nice!

TheNext44
05-05-2010, 03:49 PM
To the people watching...was that a swing by Reyes? The WLW guys making it out to be CLEARLY a swing.

2 down regardless.

Clearly a swing. Even Mets announcers would amazed at the call. Reyes actually fell over home plate trying to stop his swing.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Cabrera grounded out. Votto battling Takahashi(sp?)

Cedric
05-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Am I reading this right? The Reds have 12 hits and 2 homers and only 4 runs?

Seems almost impossible to pull that off.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:53 PM
borderline call. Called out on strikes...Votto was walking to first.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 03:53 PM
Votto called out on a pitch 6 inches outside.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:53 PM
Am I reading this right? The Reds have 12 hits and 2 homers and only 4 runs?

Seems almost impossible to pull that off.

Several infield singles early in the game and coming with 2 down too.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:55 PM
1-2-3 for the Reds 7th

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Masset in

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:59 PM
10th K for Reds pitchers

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Nick's ERA under 10.00

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:02 PM
Back to back K's. Has Nick made the adjustment? 2nd time straight he's looked like last year

oneupper
05-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Masset dealing. Good to see.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:05 PM
Matthews Jr Pops out to Cabrera. 1-2-3 from Masset. Getting Nick back on track would be huge IMO. ERA dropped down to 9.00 now. 3-1 record...9.00 era. Yep, w-l record is a good indicator of performance. *grin*

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:06 PM
Love to see some add on here. Bruce hasn't gone yard in a while. He's due. :O)

TheNext44
05-05-2010, 04:07 PM
Several infield singles early in the game and coming with 2 down too.

Zero walks by Niece helped that too.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Bruce K's.

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Nice to see Nick pitch well again. I spoke with him at a season ticket holder event not long ago and he seemed like a really good guy. I hope he continues to have good outings like today. :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Gomes pops out to shallow left to Reyes

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Razor K's to end the inning. 1-2-3 again. Takahashi seems to be throwing well. Right on the edges with good movement.

TheNext44
05-05-2010, 04:13 PM
He made Razor look foolish.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:13 PM
Nix in left for Gomes.
Cordero on the bump.

You would think this might be a good spot for a defensive replacement on the left side of the infield. If only we had a solid defender for there who was unbelievably fresh. *sigh*

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Nix in left for Gomes.
Cordero on the bump.

You would think this might be a good spot for a defensive replacement on the left side of the infield. If only we had a solid defender for there who was unbelievably fresh. *sigh*

Dusty finally realized that he should have a better defender in left field late in games with a lead. Let's not get too crazy that he realizes he should do that at SS too. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Catalanotto singled. Sac bunt moved him to 2nd.

Pagan singles...but they hold the runner. 1st & 3rd with 1 down. Yikes!

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:18 PM
Dusty finally realized that he should have a better defender in left field late in games with a lead. Let's not get too crazy that he realizes he should do that at SS too. ;)

Short OR third....I'd settle for either at this point. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:19 PM
Tie ball game. Deep sac fly to center. 2nd blown save of the year for Coco.

oneupper
05-05-2010, 04:19 PM
Tie Game:(

Blitz Dorsey
05-05-2010, 04:19 PM
Crap.

membengal
05-05-2010, 04:19 PM
So...if I have baseball reference read correctly, this is Cordero's 17th appearance in what is Cincy's 28th game of the season.

That is insane.

Blitz Dorsey
05-05-2010, 04:19 PM
I though Coco would K the free-swinging Frenchy.

TRF
05-05-2010, 04:20 PM
anyone else thinking Cordero needs a day off?

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:20 PM
RAZOR! Nice throw to nail Pagan trying to steal 2nd.

CTA513
05-05-2010, 04:20 PM
anyone else thinking Cordero needs a day off?

Ride him until his arm falls off.

Blitz Dorsey
05-05-2010, 04:21 PM
Alright ... let's go win this thing in the bottom of the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:21 PM
anyone else thinking Cordero needs a day off?

Cordero needs some games that aren't 1 & 2 run games. It seems like everygame is tight. We're off tomorrow though, right?

TheNext44
05-05-2010, 04:22 PM
So...if I have baseball reference read correctly, this is Cordero's 17th appearance in what is Cincy's 28th game of the season.

That is insane.

That's so Dusty

membengal
05-05-2010, 04:22 PM
anyone else thinking Cordero needs a day off?

I mean, really. 17 appearances in 28 games for the Reds. That is just beyond rational.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:23 PM
Takahashi back out for his 3rd inning. He's been very good today so far. Let's knock him out.

edabbs44
05-05-2010, 04:24 PM
anyone else thinking Cordero needs a day off?

Nope. Such is the life of a closer.

durl
05-05-2010, 04:24 PM
Hey, the 3 due up for the Reds in the 9th have a combined BA of .162. Just my small contribution to today's thread... :)

HeatherC1212
05-05-2010, 04:24 PM
Cordero needs some games that aren't 1 & 2 run games. It seems like everygame is tight. We're off tomorrow though, right?

Yes, they have an off day tomorrow. Let's get this win in the 9th!

klw
05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
hopefully Nix can get his 2nd walkoff of the week.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
I mean, really. 17 appearances in 28 games for the Reds. That is just beyond rational.

Masset's at 16, Herrera at 15, Lincoln at 12....lot's of tight games. It'll balance out eventually.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Predictable.

HokieRed
05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
It might be a start to not use Coco in non-save opps. And the baserunning might not take us out of potential big innings.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Cairo popped out.

Nix ... K's looking