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GOYA
05-10-2010, 08:02 PM
Bison @ Bats

Burke CF .211
Cozart SS .263
Terrero LF .333
Balentien RF .197
Valaika 2B .350
Frazier 1B .212
Castillo C .247
Sutton 3B .193
Lehr P .000

GOYA
05-10-2010, 08:21 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Justin Lehr is not going to start the AAA AS game this season.


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lehr 1.0 4 3 3 0 1 0 6.59

GOYA
05-10-2010, 08:39 PM
Francisco is not feeling well tonight. He was a late scratch.

Back to back hits for Frazier & Castillo.

Sutton RBI single follows

3-1 Bison

GOYA
05-10-2010, 08:43 PM
Lehr with a 2-run double. :D

All with 2-out.

Tied up 3-3

nemesis
05-10-2010, 08:58 PM
You'd have to think that Lehr is pitching start to start now. Klinker should be in AAA within a month at most.

GOYA
05-10-2010, 09:08 PM
Gotta go

Bats down 5-3 in the 4th

Kingspoint
05-10-2010, 09:25 PM
You'd have to think that Lehr is pitching start to start now. Klinker should be in AAA within a month at most.

When you have too much talent at one position, these things always seem to have a way of playing themselves out.

Knowing this, the Votto/Alonso 1st Base thing will solve itself somehow.

HokieRed
05-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Mesoraco 4 for 4 tonight, Soto 2 for 5.

Superdude
05-10-2010, 10:24 PM
Anyone want to claim Mesoraco as the #2 prospect in the org. yet?

nemesis
05-10-2010, 10:50 PM
Anyone want to claim Mesoraco as the #2 prospect in the org. yet?

If he finishes the year out at a .900+ OPS he is the #1 prospect in the Organization. Probably a Top 100 in Baseball.

Superdude
05-10-2010, 11:00 PM
pretty amazing turn around considering BA gave him nothing more than a sympathy nod at #30 last year. Dude's mashing.

HokieRed
05-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Carolina just went up 8-3 in the top of the 10th. 3 run homer by Sappelt the latest blow.

OnBaseMachine
05-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Mesoraco 4 for 4 tonight, Soto 2 for 5.

He finished 4-for-5 with a double and a triple and also threw out a runner trying to steal.

Kingspoint
05-10-2010, 11:17 PM
Don't forget that Mesoraco was ready to move up a level defensively, but they kept him down here so that he could experience some positive long-term Offensive timing with his bat. He was ahead of his level physically, so it's not unexpected that he'd have this success. The REDS were expecting good Offense from him (though probably closer to an .820-.840 OPS), but Mesoraco's even done better than that.

He's not the #2 prospect at this time by any means. He's still got to go through the entire AA level from beginning to end both defensively (as a Catcher, the toughest level for a Catcher) and Offensively.

It's kind of a given that Mesoraco is going to be a hitter. With him, it's all about which position will he play.

I assume the REDS would like to let him keep his timing together through the end of June before moving him up to AA. That's how I would do it. He's had too little time this year under "good Offensive conditions" for it to stay with him to the next level. He needs more time where he's at so that the confidence Offensively can be rooted in him.

GIDP
05-10-2010, 11:18 PM
If he finishes the year out at a .900+ OPS he is the #1 prospect in the Organization. Probably a Top 100 in Baseball.

If he finishes as the best hitting prospect in the system and playing catcher hes probably way up the prospect list.

Benihana
05-11-2010, 12:43 AM
Don't forget that Mesoraco was ready to move up a level defensively, but they kept him down here so that he could experience some positive long-term Offensive timing with his bat. He was ahead of his level physically, so it's not unexpected that he'd have this success. The REDS were expecting good Offense from him (though probably closer to an .820-.840 OPS), but Mesoraco's even done better than that.

He's not the #2 prospect at this time by any means. He's still got to go through the entire AA level from beginning to end both defensively (as a Catcher, the toughest level for a Catcher) and Offensively.

It's kind of a given that Mesoraco is going to be a hitter. With him, it's all about which position will he play.


Disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I love what Mez has done so far this year. But to say that it's a given that he is going to be a hitter, possibly without a position, is insane. The guy still has a career .711 OPS, and has yet to see a pitch above A ball. I hope that he continues to hit like he has this year, especially once he is promoted. But I have doubts whether his bat will ever be strong enough to play any position other than catcher, and I have even stronger doubts that anyone sees him as anything other than a catcher.

That said, keep up the good work Mez. Hopefully you'll see a promotion by the Break.

Benihana
05-11-2010, 12:46 AM
Anyone want to claim Mesoraco as the #2 prospect in the org. yet?


If he finishes the year out at a .900+ OPS he is the #1 prospect in the Organization. Probably a Top 100 in Baseball.

Only if he plays at least half of the year in AA (and maintains a .900+ OPS) then maybe you could start having this discussion. The kid has had a great month, there is no doubt about it, but let's not get carried away. He is repeating a level (high A) for the second straight year, while the guy drafted immediately before him is hitting bombs on a daily basis in the major leagues. One thing I will give you, is that he's got to be higher than #30 in the organization at this point. ;)

And I sincerely hope that the #1 prospect in the organization will always be at least a Top 100 in Baseball. Otherwise, there are serious problems on the farm.

Superdude
05-11-2010, 01:10 AM
Haven't the defensive issues been pretty much put to bed? I've only heard good things about Mesoraco behind the plate since he left Dayton. It's good to see him finally putting up some numbers he can be proud of, but I'd like to see what he can do in Carolina pretty soon.

GOYA
05-11-2010, 01:21 AM
Bats won 7-6

Valaika 2 for 3 with a walk - hitting .358 now

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2010, 01:24 AM
I'd like to see the Reds DFA Miguel Cairo and call up Valaika.

GIDP
05-11-2010, 01:26 AM
I'd like to see the Reds DFA Miguel Cairo and call up Valaika.

I dont really see the point its not like they would ever play him. Cairo and Janish both get zero playing time as it is. Do you see ABs for Valaika anywhere?

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2010, 01:29 AM
I dont really see the point its not like they would ever play him. Cairo and Janish both get zero playing time as it is. Do you see ABs for Valaika anywhere?

I'd play him at 3B and 2B when Phillips or Rolen need a day off.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2010, 01:32 AM
After his four hit night, including a double and a triple, Devin Mesoraco is now hitting .333/.427/.613 - 1.040 OPS with six doubles, one triple, and six home runs in 93 atbats. Also has a very solid 13 BB/16 K ratio and is 2-for-2 in stolen base attempts. He's not going to continue OPSing over 1.000 but if he ends the season with an OPS around .900, he'll probably not only jump into the top 100 prospect lists, but maybe even the top 50.

GIDP
05-11-2010, 01:35 AM
I'd play him at 3B and 2B when Phillips or Rolen need a day off.

Phillips hardly ever needs a day off though. Maybe they should give Valaika some starts at 1st then I could easily see them bringing him north. Cairo wont leave the roster until they come up with another 1st baseman, as stupid as it is.

Valaika probbably makes the team better but given how little Cairo already plays I really doubt it matters all that much. Janish and Cairo are basically just collecting checks although Id like to see Janish more than 1 start a month.

nemesis
05-11-2010, 01:36 AM
Only if he plays at least half of the year in AA (and maintains a .900+ OPS) then maybe you could start having this discussion. The kid has had a great month, there is no doubt about it, but let's not get carried away. He is repeating a level (high A) for the second straight year, while the guy drafted immediately before him is hitting bombs on a daily basis in the major leagues. One thing I will give you, is that he's got to be higher than #30 in the organization at this point. ;)

And I sincerely hope that the #1 prospect in the organization will always be at least a Top 100 in Baseball. Otherwise, there are serious problems on the farm.

I should have put that in my post. Agreed. He needs to continue his hitting after his, at this point, given promotion to AA to qualify as the organizations #1. I could see BA not giving him any props after this year if he continues to put up numbers. They have been hard on him as have alot of us, myself included. With the development of Hanigan at the ML level, Corky in AAA and Denove who is Hanigan II in AA he can deveolp at his own pace without the pressure of need at the Big League Level at this point.

GIDP
05-11-2010, 01:37 AM
After his four hit night, including a double and a triple, Devin Mesoraco is now hitting .333/.427/.613 - 1.040 OPS with six doubles, one triple, and six home runs in 93 atbats. Also has a very solid 13 BB/16 K ratio and is 2-for-2 in stolen base attempts. He's not going to continue OPSing over 1.000 but if he ends the season with an OPS around .900, he'll probably not only jump into the top 100 prospect lists, but maybe even the top 50.
If he does it at AA then I totally agree. If hes OPS around .900 in AA hes probably a top 10 guy as crazy as that sounds just because of his position. Then again im basing that off nothing really :(.

nemesis
05-11-2010, 01:38 AM
Haven't the defensive issues been pretty much put to bed? I've only heard good things about Mesoraco behind the plate since he left Dayton. It's good to see him finally putting up some numbers he can be proud of, but I'd like to see what he can do in Carolina pretty soon.

Not entirely. He has at least 7 passed balls in like 20 games behind the plate. Still alot of work to do...

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2010, 01:39 AM
By the way, Yonder Alonso started in left field tonight and went 1-for-3 with two walks. I guess they haven't ended the LF experiment. Good. I'd keep running him out there every night.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2010, 01:52 AM
Matt Klinker pitched another good game tonight for Carolina: 6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K. His 2010 season stats: 41.1 IP, 35 H, 1 HR, 7 BB, 43 K, 2.18 ERA. Please promote him to Louisville where he belongs.

nemesis
05-11-2010, 01:56 AM
Matt Klinker pitched another good game tonight for Carolina: 6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K. His 2010 season stats: 41.1 IP, 35 H, 1 HR, 7 BB, 43 K, 2.18 ERA. Please promote him to Louisville where he belongs.

DFA Cairo and Adkins would start the chain of events nicely. Add Castillo to the 40 Man again and promote him as a Defensive replacement / Pinch Runner Deluxe. Which would allow Dusty to Pinch Run for his Catchers without the worry of injury leaving him without. Lehr to the bullpen Klinker and Denove Up - Mesorasco Up - Burton to Carolina to begin rehab and Coddington to Lynchburg.

Superdude
05-11-2010, 02:04 AM
If hes OPS around .900 in AA hes probably a top 10 guy as crazy as that sounds just because of his position. Then again im basing that off nothing really

I've kind of lost track of other organizations prospects, but I do know that 21 year old catchers who OPS .900+ at AA don't show up a whole lot. It's obviously way too early to say whether or not he can do that, but I can't imagine a world where's he's not an elite elite prospect if he does.

Guacarock
05-11-2010, 03:14 AM
DFA Cairo and Adkins would start the chain of events nicely. Add Castillo to the 40 Man again and promote him as a Defensive replacement / Pinch Runner Deluxe. Which would allow Dusty to Pinch Run for his Catchers without the worry of injury leaving him without. Lehr to the bullpen Klinker and Denove Up - Mesorasco Up - Burton to Carolina to begin rehab and Coddington to Lynchburg.

Sounds like a game plan to me. Castillo isn't setting the world on fire in AAA, but he's versatile, switch-hitting and can occasionally stroke an extra base hit, so he would be an improvement over Cairo on our bench. And promoting him would free the logjam so the other catchers -- Denove, Mesoraco and Coddington -- can be more properly slotted and playing at levels commensurate with their talent.

I didn't mind the Reds taking another shot on Adkins upon his return from overseas, but after his lackluster pitching in spring training and as Louisville's closer -- 6.00 ERA and only 6 Ks in 12 innings -- it's time to close the book on that little experiment.

The Bats have the second best team ERA (3.65) in the International League and a mid-pack OPS of .731. Their starting pitchers are 10-10. Yet the team remains mired in last place in their division, as the bullpen collectively is sporting a 2-10 record. Adkins isn't the only reliever who has struggled, but having him take the fall is fair. He got a chance to make a comeback and just hasn't seized the opportunity.

Who would become the new closer for the Bats? As much as he bombed in his MLB debut, it's really Ondrusek's rightful challenge -- ripe for his taking if he can continue to sustain the 0.87 ERA he's compiled in his six AAA relief appearances since his demotion. Jukich and Del Rosario also are showing promise in mid-relief roles, but probably ought to stay right where they are for now.

reds44
05-11-2010, 03:27 AM
At what point does Valaika force his way into the majors? I understand that Janish isn't getting any playing time, but honestly I think Valaika is and will be a better hitter than Janish.

I understand the "young players need ABs everyday" argument, but Valaika isn't learning anything by murdering AAA pitching.

I'd DFA Cairo and send Heisey back to AAA and call up Valaika and Castillo. The reason that Cairo is still on the roster is because the Reds have no other backup 1st baseman. Calling up Castillo makes Hernandez the backup 1st baseman as well. Castillo can play LF if needed and Nix moves over as the backup CFer. I realize Castillo can't hit, but neither can Cairo or Heisey and at elast Castillo brings some speed and the ability to move Ramon around.

Then your bench looks like:
Janish 3B/SS/2B
Valaika 2B/SS
Castillo C/LF
Hanigan C (with means Hernandez is the backup 1B)
Nix LF/CF/RF

Guacarock
05-11-2010, 03:32 AM
DFA Cairo and Adkins would start the chain of events nicely. Add Castillo to the 40 Man again and promote him as a Defensive replacement / Pinch Runner Deluxe. Which would allow Dusty to Pinch Run for his Catchers without the worry of injury leaving him without. Lehr to the bullpen Klinker and Denove Up - Mesorasco Up - Burton to Carolina to begin rehab and Coddington to Lynchburg.

By the way, I also concur with your idea of moving Lehr to the Louisville bullpen so Klinker can get a promotion from the Mudcats. Klinker should have opened the season with the Bats.

He didn't because he got lost in the roster shuffling to make room in AAA for Chapman and for Lehr after the Reds gave him a guaranteed contract over the winter. This stuff happens, so it's not the end of the world that Matt got temporarily reassigned.

But after Klinker's 2009 performance and his lights-out work so far this season at Carolina, the burden has now shifted from him to the Reds' management to rectify the situation. It's one thing if your teams are losing owing to a fundamental lack of in-house talent. It's another issue altogether when the losses are more attributable to faulty roster management.

Kingspoint
05-11-2010, 06:19 AM
Disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I love what Mez has done so far this year. But to say that it's a given that he is going to be a hitter, possibly without a position, is insane. The guy still has a career .711 OPS, and has yet to see a pitch above A ball. I hope that he continues to hit like he has this year, especially once he is promoted. But I have doubts whether his bat will ever be strong enough to play any position other than catcher, and I have even stronger doubts that anyone sees him as anything other than a catcher.

That said, keep up the good work Mez. Hopefully you'll see a promotion by the Break.

I thought when I wrote that, I might get a disagreement. I'll just say that, to me, it's a given that he'll be a hitter in the Majors. I'm not endorsing him as a "starter", but someone who'll have 5+ years in the Majors in some form "at the minimum".

I think our Scouts did a fantastic job in picking him. It had to be done the old-fashioned way....gut feeling. Mesoraco had zero experience against top-notch talent to judge how effective he possibly could be. That's real scouting.

Because Mesoraco has progressed exactly as I thought he would based upon his lack of experience and the position they're trying him out for, I feel that he's shown enough in these years to warrant from me an assumed "he's going to hit in the Majors". Whether that's 2000, 4000, 6000 or 8000 Plate Appearances, I have no idea. But, I'm certain he'll reach at least the 2000 level. For comparisons, Laynce Nix won't ever reach 2000, but Johnny Gomes will (this year). Oddly, Miguel Cairo will get to 3800, when he never should have reached 800.

Kingspoint
05-11-2010, 06:23 AM
Matt Klinker pitched another good game tonight for Carolina: 6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K. His 2010 season stats: 41.1 IP, 35 H, 1 HR, 7 BB, 43 K, 2.18 ERA. Please promote him to Louisville where he belongs.

Klinker and Mesoraco are probably about equal in the Organization prospect chart, I would think, with an edge possibly going to Klinker.

Kingspoint
05-11-2010, 06:26 AM
Cairo wont leave the roster until they come up with another 1st baseman, as stupid as it is.


They just need to bring up that 3rd Catcher as Hernandez can be the #2/Emergency First Baseman.

Cairo should have been out of the Majors 10 years ago. It's only because he was on the horrible Devil Rays that he got a chance to play every day (and play horribly, he did). So, now he's got this "veteran" tag.

muddie
05-11-2010, 08:07 AM
My wife and I attended a game last night that was a bit out of the usual. The game was held at the old Durham Athletic Park of Bull Durham fame. The Durham Bulls scheduled one game for the old park this year and we made it a point to be there. The DAP was the home of the Bulls for 55 years and they hadn't been back since they moved into the, then new, DBAP 16 years ago. The field was in excellent condition, beautiful. For old times sake I had a PBR and peanuts while at the park. The ticket was laminated for the purpose of keeping. No backs on the seats and no cupholders wasn't a lot of fun but other than that we had a really good evening. Prior to the singing of the national anthem they had four old bi-planes fly over. Another really nice touch.

The Bulls lost to the Mud Hens as far as the game was concerneed. Quite honestly though, last night it was all about the park.

Spazzrico
05-11-2010, 08:19 AM
That's pretty great that they played a nostalgia game there. I made a point to drive by a couple months ago when I was in town for some work. Not a bad place at all, but small. I'm not surprised they moved considering their following.