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OnBaseMachine
05-14-2010, 04:52 PM
No. 5 DEVIN MESORACO, C, REDS
Team: high Class A Lynchburg (Carolina)
Age: 21
Why He's Here: .440/.560/.800 (11-for-25), 2 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 6 RBIs, 4 R, 3 BB, 4 SO, 0-for-1 SB
The Scoop: How can you not like what Mesoraco is doing? A 2007 first-round pick, he was just plain bad for three straight years. He struggled through injuries, didn't hit, had problems behind the plate and heard criticism from the scouting community about his conditioning. Now he's not just holding his own, he's dominating the competition, putting up some of the best numbers in the Carolina League. The seven passed balls are a little dicey, but he's thrown out 38 percent of the 21 runners attempting to steal against him. Sure, he's repeating the level, so he's had more time to adjust to the speed of the game, but he's in a new league with the Reds' move from the Florida State to the Carolina League, and it's not like he's facing the same pitchers he did a year ago. We'll wait to see if he can replicate his numbers in Double-A before getting too excited, but the Reds couldn't have drawn up a better way for Mesoraco to start the year.

BLAST FROM THE PAST

Luis Terrero, rf, Reds. Terrero ranked as the Diamondbacks' No. 11 prospect heading into the 2004 season, but came with the following caveats: "(He's) been a tease for most of his career" and "some fear he could turn into another Ruben Rivera." Terrero, then 24, would see his most extensive big league action in '04, batting 229 times for an 111-loss Arizona club. He hit just .245/.319/.358 with 78 strikeouts in those 62 games, and the D'backs released him unceremoniously at the end of '06 spring training. Terrero proceeded to land one-year gigs with the Orioles, White Sox and Orioles again, totaling a mere 157 big league at-bats. Last season, he latched on with Laguna in the Mexican League, where he batted a robust .345/.440/.603 with 21 homers and 90 RBIs in 388 at-bats. He ranked third in the ML with 54 extra-base hits and continued to hit in the Dominican League. The Reds signed him in January and he's been a welcome addition to their Triple-A Louisville club (after beginning the year with Double-A Carolina). The soon-to-be 30-year-old Terrero went 9-for-18 and belted three home runs this week, bringing his line with the Bats to .406/.406/.750 through 32 at-bats.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2010/269964.html

Kingspoint
05-16-2010, 01:40 AM
What a bunch of BS!

"He was just plain bad for three years." ...is how they start off writing about the guy, instead of doing some research and speaking to people who were his teachers for the last three years. They would have found out that there was nothing bad about him during that time and they could then apologize to everyone for being so uninformed, while acting like they knew what they were talking about.

Sometimes these people for Baseball America need to have "better" scouts to work with, instead of just sitting in front of computer reading box scores.

gedred69
05-16-2010, 03:46 AM
What a bunch of BS!

"He was just plain bad for three years." ...is how they start off writing about the guy, instead of doing some research and speaking to people who were his teachers for the last three years. They would have found out that there was nothing bad about him during that time and they could then apologize to everyone for being so uninformed, while acting like they knew what they were talking about.

Sometimes these people for Baseball America need to have "better" scouts to work with, instead of just sitting in front of computer reading box scores.

Awww, you beat me to the point! It ain't just the people at Baseball America though. Those that just read stat sheets aren't any better...

Vottomatic
05-17-2010, 03:11 PM
Personally, I thought he was bad the last 3 years.

OnBaseMachine
05-17-2010, 05:10 PM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:

TERRERO, MESORACO HONORED
Congratulations to Luis Terrero (Louisville) and Devin Mesoraco (Lynchburg) for being named International League Player of the Week and Carolina League Player of the Week, respectively for 5/10-5/16...In 7 games, Terrero went 10-for-30 (.330) with 4 homers, 12 RBI and 6 runs scored...Mesoraco for the week batted a Williams-esque .406 (13-for-32) with 2 HR, 7 RBI and 5 runs...For their efforts, both players will receive a complimentary roof inspection courtesy of Bill Bavasi and 4 other dudes.

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/05/reds-farm-report-51710.html

Kingspoint
05-17-2010, 06:40 PM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:

TERRERO, MESORACO HONORED
Congratulations to Luis Terrero (Louisville) and Devin Mesoraco (Lynchburg) for being named International League Player of the Week and Carolina League Player of the Week, respectively for 5/10-5/16...In 7 games, Terrero went 10-for-30 (.330) with 4 homers, 12 RBI and 6 runs scored...Mesoraco for the week batted a Williams-esque .406 (13-for-32) with 2 HR, 7 RBI and 5 runs...For their efforts, both players will receive a complimentary roof inspection courtesy of Bill Bavasi and 4 other dudes.

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/05/reds-farm-report-51710.html

Yes. Congratulations to both!

jmcclain19
05-17-2010, 09:21 PM
Yeah there is no way anyone would look at Mesoraco's numbers and play the last three years and think positive thoughts.

FYI - Most of Baseball America's comments when ranking players at the end of the season come directly from the team's Front office and their scouts. Almost an embarrassing amount of info.

If you want to know what the Reds Front Office thinks their prospects are ranked - the BA rankings are usually a pretty good starting point.

So realize those negative BA comments probably came from one of the Reds coaches, scouts or Front Officer personel. And were probably shared by more than one guy.

GIDP
05-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Yeah there is no way anyone would look at Mesoraco's numbers and play the last three years and think positive thoughts.

FYI - Most of Baseball America's comments when ranking players at the end of the season come directly from the team's Front office and their scouts. Almost an embarrassing amount of info.

If you want to know what the Reds Front Office thinks their prospects are ranked - the BA rankings are usually a pretty good starting point.

So realize those negative BA comments probably came from one of the Reds coaches, scouts or Front Officer personel. And were probably shared by more than one guy.
I'm guessing front offices wished it was that easy. Every player would be ranked in the proverbial top 10

Kingspoint
05-17-2010, 09:44 PM
So realize those negative BA comments probably came from one of the Reds coaches, scouts or Front Officer personel. And were probably shared by more than one guy.

I doubt that very much. They aren't that ill-informed. They have excellent scouts. I'm sure they saw everything I saw and everything I saw showed me that Mesoraco was improving at a very consistent pace throughout the last 3 years.

Vottomatic
05-17-2010, 11:35 PM
Oh come on.

dougdirt
05-17-2010, 11:51 PM
I have seen things in Mesoraco in the past to keep me believing in him.

GIDP
05-17-2010, 11:54 PM
Mesoraco showed a lot of things for sure over the last few years. you have to look hard to find the positives for the most part but they are promising once you find them.

Captain Hook
05-18-2010, 01:05 AM
I've seen a good deal of discussion on Mesoraco in RZ.Seem like there's a good number of people here that never gave up on him.

Now that he's doing so well when can we expect to see him up with the Reds?It would be nice if the team could let Hernandez walk and plug in a young catcher to team up with Hanigan next year.

dougdirt
05-18-2010, 01:10 AM
I've seen a good deal of discussion on Mesoraco in RZ.Seem like there's a good number of people here that never gave up on him.

Now that he's doing so well when can we expect to see him up with the Reds?It would be nice if the team could let Hernandez walk and plug in a young catcher to team up with Hanigan next year.

Next year is not likely unless we are talking August.

HokieRed
05-18-2010, 01:12 AM
I have seen things in Mesoraco in the past to keep me believing in him.

So have I. Given his ages, the difficulty of the leagues he's been in, the difficulty of learning to catch, I think you could see progress over the last two years--if you looked inside the numbers a bit.

Interesting there's no mention of the fact that Terrero was apparently switch hitting in 2004, then he dropped it later. I'm kind of hopeful that maybe he's just finally figuring it out as a strictly right-hander.

nemesis
05-18-2010, 01:12 AM
I've seen a good deal of discussion on Mesoraco in RZ.Seem like there's a good number of people here that never gave up on him.

Now that he's doing so well when can we expect to see him up with the Reds?It would be nice if the team could let Hernandez walk and plug in a young catcher to team up with Hanigan next year.

More likely to see a part time Vet in Miller, who is a good clubhouse guy as well as decent defensive backstop or Castillo who speaks spanish and plays a multitude of positions effectively. Denove would be next in line.

NeilHamburger
05-18-2010, 01:52 AM
With Cueto speaking limited english (and at the very least being more comfortable speaking spanish) and with Chapman speaking limited to no english, it is pretty important for one of the Reds catchers to speak fluent spanish in my opinion.

Next year I want Cueto and Chapman feeling as comfortable as possible, so in my opinion a spanish speaking catcher is important.

Kingspoint
05-18-2010, 03:24 AM
Oh come on.

I said three years, but I meant two years. The first year+ , I just didn't have an opinion as I hadn't seen enough of him to make one. So, it took a year to gather enough information together from people like dougdirt and others on this site who had been watching him first hand. Two years ago, they had me convinced of his timeline and growth in a positive manner. The information was out there. Then I got to see him for myself last year a few times in person, and that cemented what those other posters had already said the year before.

redsfandan
05-18-2010, 06:24 AM
With Cueto speaking limited english (and at the very least being more comfortable speaking spanish) and with Chapman speaking limited to no english, it is pretty important for one of the Reds catchers to speak fluent spanish in my opinion.

Next year I want Cueto and Chapman feeling as comfortable as possible, so in my opinion a spanish speaking catcher is important.
I thought I remembered someone around here saying Hanigan had taken some Spanish classes.

klw
05-18-2010, 06:46 AM
From Jamie Ramsey's blog:

TERRERO, MESORACO HONORED
Congratulations to Luis Terrero (Louisville) and Devin Mesoraco (Lynchburg) for being named International League Player of the Week and Carolina League Player of the Week, respectively for 5/10-5/16...In 7 games, Terrero went 10-for-30 (.330) with 4 homers, 12 RBI and 6 runs scored...Mesoraco for the week batted a Williams-esque .406 (13-for-32) with 2 HR, 7 RBI and 5 runs...For their efforts, both players will receive a complimentary roof inspection courtesy of Bill Bavasi and 4 other dudes.

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/05/reds-farm-report-51710.html

I bolded myfavorite part. Now we know what Bill Bavasi does!

mth123
05-18-2010, 07:37 AM
I thought I remembered someone around here saying Hanigan had taken some Spanish classes.

These guys don't need to be total masters of English to communicate on a baseball diamond. They need to know a few key phrases for the game. I'm sure these guys know things like "hit the glove," "there he goes," "get it over," and "cover first."

I think the language thing is about as overblown as anything. If more needs said, guys like Cabrera or a Spanish speaking coach are always around to deal with it. Its not like these guys never learn any English. I'm guessing Cueto, Volquez and Chapman all know the English baseball terminology. The catcher's language skills won't mean anything to these guys when they're at the store, in the bar cruising for women or dealing with some one who wants money for some reason and that's where the language stuff matters. By the time Hernandez is gone, these guys will know enough English.

OnBaseMachine
05-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Fangraphs on Devin Mesoraco:


Devin Mesoraco, Reds, 22, High-A, .328/.418/.608

Was written off a little fast, considering his first two seasons were the Midwest League at 20 (.710 OPS, 83 G) and the Florida State League at 21 (.692 OPS, 92 G). Hes healthy now, and in the same place as a lot of his peers that chose to attend college instead. Showing every skill, including improved defense. I think he was written off too early, but I wait to see how he handles Double-A to elevate his prospect status too heavily.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-recent-first-round-catchers/

TRF
05-19-2010, 06:18 PM
I have seen things in Mesoraco in the past to keep me believing in him.

I agree with you on Mes, mostly because of age and level. He had time, and there was no reason to label him a bust. He's having a fantastic season so far, and if he's promoted to AA everyone hopes he'll continue to hit and progress behind the plate.

But sometimes we emphasize what we want a player to be rather than what he is. For me it was Tyler Pelland, who I thought was going to be a dominant LH starter. I kept seeing the big K numbers and ignoring the huge BB's allowed. None of us is innocent of this.

I just happen to think you are right. this time. :)

Will M
05-19-2010, 07:30 PM
typically a player graduates from high school at age 18. i think most true major league players reach the bigs no later than age 25 (26 for pitchers). there are exceptions. role players sometimes show up later & have a few years in the bigs. late bloomers like Nelson Cruz are fairly rare.
that gives a high school player 7-8 years to get through rookie, A, A+, AA & AAA. if he goes one year at a time he would in A+ at age 20 & be a rookie at age 23.

college players typically are drafted at age 21 or 22. then they go through rookie, maybe A, A+, AA & AAA. it seems like most high round picks out of college go to rookie ball then start their first full season in A+ at age 22 or 23. if they went one year at a time they would be a rookie at age 25 or 26.

so it seems to me that guys drafted out of high school can struggle at a level, repeat it the next year & still be on track to make it to the bigs fairly young. lesser college prospects who start A+ ball at age 23 are really under the gun. they really can't afford many setbacks.