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redlegs2370
05-17-2010, 01:32 PM
Just some food for thought. I stumbled upon an article where a writer was of the opinion that the Mariners should unload Cliff Lee while is stock if high and the fact he will be a FA at seasons end. The team he mentioned as a trade partner was the Cincinnati Reds.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/05/17/1189355/cliff-lee-deal-now-not-later-1.html

mivers176
05-17-2010, 01:50 PM
i would absolutely at least consider it and weigh the options. i dont want to ALWAYS just be looking at the future, lets take advantage of our chance to win the division now, it may be another long draught before its possible again.

stripedwarrior
05-17-2010, 01:54 PM
I'm not sure about for both. But, I could see giving up Alonso straight up. We would have to eat the rest of Lee's salary, but we would gain 2 picks, and alleviate the problem of who plays first in 2011?
Restock with a couple extra prospects (hopefully good drafting is involved).

Ohioballplayer
05-17-2010, 02:16 PM
Yes for Alonso and a promise from Lee that we could sign him for a reasonable amount.

GIDP
05-17-2010, 02:16 PM
I dont know if he would be the best target but id certainly entertain the thought of trading Francisco for him. I dont know about Yonder.

Alpha Zero
05-17-2010, 02:25 PM
Yeah, I don't think that I'd mind giving up Alonso or Francisco plus another lower tier prospect for a couple of months of Lee. His probable Type A status is the key here. With the way that the Reds have been drafting lately, I'd love to see what they could do with the extra couple of picks in the early rounds. This all hinges on the Reds staying in contention though, and I still think that they need one more legit bat to get it done.

Reds
05-17-2010, 02:30 PM
I'd consider it. Anytime top of the rotation pitching is mentioned you have to entertain offers, if they come.

"The number Jack Zduriencik should be thinking about today is 513.

Cincinnati’s area code." lol

mattfeet
05-17-2010, 02:31 PM
I absolutely would.

-Matt

Vottomatic
05-17-2010, 03:04 PM
Yonder is expendable because he is only a first baseman. He is a liability defensively elsewhere and I like the new look outstanding defense of this Reds team. Yonder is more than likely only a first baseman/DH. Votto isn't going anywhere.

I'm fine trading Alonso.

I absolutely would love to pick up Lee. I think we run away with the division if we were able to. But I doubt Reds ownership would take on his salary.

Roush's socks
05-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Yonder is expendable because he is only a first baseman. He is a liability defensively elsewhere and I like the new look outstanding defense of this Reds team. Yonder is more than likely only a first baseman/DH. Votto isn't going anywhere.

I'm fine trading Alonso.

I absolutely would love to pick up Lee. I think we run away with the division if we were able to. But I doubt Reds ownership would take on his salary.

If Yonder is only a 1B/DH and can never play LF, then the Reds should trade him.

If either Chapman or Volquez is ready for the rotation later in the year, the Reds could package Harang with Yonder to a rebuilding team who would want Harang's expiring contract and Yonder's potential. Hopefully the Reds could get quite a player for those two.

nemesis
05-17-2010, 03:42 PM
If Yonder is only a 1B/DH and can never play LF, then the Reds should trade him.

If either Chapman or Volquez is ready for the rotation later in the year, the Reds could package Harang with Yonder to a rebuilding team who would want Harang's expiring contract and Yonder's potential. Hopefully the Reds could get quite a player for those two.

Problem is if we trade Harang his option year next year is automatically kicked in and jumps to $14 Mil vs $12.5 Mil or a $2 Mil buyout if he stays with the Reds. No team, no GM is going to handicap his team with that kind of contract trying to rebuild or not.

Best bet to get Lee is probably going to be Alonso, Wood and Janish. They are going to demand at least 2 near ML ready players (Alonso, Wood) and one more position player (Janish)... I'd throw Maloney in as well if it was make or break. He'd do well pitching in the AL West.

Buy out Harang and Arroyo next year. Find a trade partner for Cordero next off season willing to pick up half his contract and include a prospect to help push it along. Ditch Cabrera, Lincoln, Hernandez and Gomes. That should give you the funds to Re-Sign Lee at 4 for 60ish and cover the raises for Votto, Cueto, Owings and Phillips.

Rotation

Lee
Cueto
Leake
Volquez
Bailey

Owings
Del Rosario
Rhodes/Bray/Valiquette/Joesph
Herrera
Ondrusek/Fisher
Burton/Serrano
Massett

Votto
Phillips
Rolen
Cozart
Heisey
Stubbs
Bruce
Hanigan

Castillo UT
Miller C
Valakia IF
Dorn OF/1B
Dickerson OF

Strong pitching, Deep Bullpen, Decent Line-up, Flexible Bench.

Still keeping a few options at AAA.

Trace's Daddy
05-17-2010, 04:01 PM
Trade Alonso for an OF since the Reds have a bunch of starters. What about a 6-man rotation starting in July that would limit Leake's starts? There could already be 7 starters at that time - move 1 to the pen:
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Volquez
Leake
Chapman
Bailey

Jones1
05-17-2010, 06:04 PM
NO, Alonso's gonna be a guy that will give you at least 20 hrs a year and close to a 300 avg. He's played strictly in LF this year in the minors and done a solid job. They are not going to trade him, I REPEAT HE WONT BE TRADED FOR A 1 YEAR RENTAL PITCHER! So get it out of your head!

This team may make the playoffs but I dont see the WS. Why give away a guy you have control of for a few years to get a pitcher for 1 year that wont get us any further than what we already have in the organization? When you have guys like Chapman and Wood in the minors almost ready, not to mention Volquez coming back after the AS break it makes no sense.

Yonders gonna be a hell of a hitter and he will transition into a solid LFer.

nemesis
05-17-2010, 07:15 PM
NO, Alonso's gonna be a guy that will give you at least 20 hrs a year and close to a 300 avg. He's played strictly in LF this year in the minors and done a solid job. They are not going to trade him, I REPEAT HE WONT BE TRADED FOR A 1 YEAR RENTAL PITCHER! So get it out of your head!

This team may make the playoffs but I dont see the WS. Why give away a guy you have control of for a few years to get a pitcher for 1 year that wont get us any further than what we already have in the organization? When you have guys like Chapman and Wood in the minors almost ready, not to mention Volquez coming back after the AS break it makes no sense.

Yonders gonna be a hell of a hitter and he will transition into a solid LFer.

You have Valid points. Alonso may do all the above. We have so many options in the system at OF now, we add Perez to the mix and signs are pointing to an advanced college bat at an OF position, Alonso isn't as untouchable as many would think.

Lee might be the difference in a first round match-up in going one on one with Halladay facing a mostly LH line up vs sending out Harang or Arroyo. Get by them a match-up vs St Louis or San Fran might not be as menacing. You just never know.

scott91575
05-17-2010, 07:43 PM
Right now, no. Yet I would need to see how things play out. If Harang struggles and the Reds are in first place I would consider it (especially if the trade is contingent upon a long term deal). Get back with me in about 6 weeks.

Kingspoint
05-17-2010, 08:25 PM
I love pitching, so that's a difficult question to answer.

I'd have to go with no....not right now. Too many things I want to see happen....Alonso and Chapman grow, and more rehab from Volquez.

Vottomatic
05-17-2010, 11:30 PM
Cracks me up how Alonso has suddenly gotten hot (for once) and now everyone thinks he's the second coming of Larry Walker.

His slugging numbers aren't impressive at all.

And while the Reds starting pitching has been impressive over the last 20 games.........they still do not have a legit #1 starter. That will be their downfall.

gedred69
05-17-2010, 11:43 PM
Let's see. A true #1 for a up and down Alonzo, or a Wily Mo-esqe 3B? Alonzo was drafted to hopefully be trade-bait someday anyway. Yeah, either one plus a throw-in if needed.