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HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:20 PM
Dusty may just be trying to get Micah extra hitting chances. He hasn't hit nearly as much as he has in the past and I think it's made him a little rusty at times. I don't mind this today since we have such a big lead but he better not make it a habit. The entire bullpen could use some work anyway so this scenerio doesn't bother me.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:21 PM
Cairo walks, now 2-4 with a walk on the day. Looks at Rolen and says "your my Wally Pipp."

first and second for the best 1b in the game.

KoryMac5
05-20-2010, 04:21 PM
Only Owings 9th Ab this season. Could be he was trying to get him some time in front of the home crowd.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:22 PM
Votto goes easy on the Braves, advances Ocab to 3rd and allows them to get both he and Cairo out. 2 outs.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:23 PM
Phillips strikes out to end the 8th for the good guys. Braves coming to bat. 9-3 Reds

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:24 PM
Dusty may just be trying to get Micah extra hitting chances. He hasn't hit nearly as much as he has in the past and I think it's made him a little rusty at times. I don't mind this today since we have such a big lead but he better not make it a habit. The entire bullpen could use some work anyway so this scenerio doesn't bother me.

Maybe, but Lincoln has pitched more than Owings lately. I have no problem with him PH, but let the man pitch.

vaticanplum
05-20-2010, 04:25 PM
Maybe, but Lincoln has pitched more than Owings lately. I have no problem with him PH, but let the man pitch.

Agreed. It would have made a lot of sense in this game.

Chip R
05-20-2010, 04:25 PM
Was Owings warming up before he pinch hit?

vaticanplum
05-20-2010, 04:27 PM
Was Owings warming up before he pinch hit?

Dunno, I was blinded by Chip Caray's shirt

Puffy
05-20-2010, 04:27 PM
Was Owings warming up before he pinch hit?

Yes, he was doing some squat thrusts and some jumping jacks.

Playadlc
05-20-2010, 04:28 PM
Great job by Lincoln today.

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:30 PM
Lincoln's ERA down to 3.52

color me stunned.

vaticanplum
05-20-2010, 04:31 PM
Craig Kimbrel in to pitch for Atlanta. Doesn't he have a late night talk show?

vaticanplum
05-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Braves announcers now bemoaning how much good starting pitching sucks because your bullpen gets too rested. They've been having this conversation for 10 minutes. I swear I could overdub this game with Barney's greatest hits and get better commentary.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:33 PM
Braves went down 1-2-3 in their half of the 8th (it was fast and I was doing some work).

Chip R
05-20-2010, 04:36 PM
Craig Kimbrel in to pitch for Atlanta. Doesn't he have a late night talk show?


He used to but Jay Leno took it over.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:38 PM
Bruce walks, Hernandez grounds to 2nd, but throw hits Bruce. 1-2. Nix grounds into dp, Bruce to 3rd.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:40 PM
Stubbs does his best to give Heisey playing time, strikes out. Onto the bottom of the ninth. Reds 9 Braves 3

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:40 PM
I knew I should not have started saying nice things about Stubbs.

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:41 PM
who pitches the 9th? I'm betting Fisher

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:41 PM
He used to but Jay Leno took it over.

That's Conan. 'Kimbrel' is still on ABC and will be in mourning soon due to the Lost series finale that's coming up this weekend. I get the humor of it though, LOL :p:

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:42 PM
Lincoln still in.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:42 PM
Let's get this game over with fast guys. :)

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:43 PM
Lincoln still in.

Lincoln for the SAVE!

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:43 PM
save opportunity for our 16th President.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:43 PM
Glaus singles off the end of the bat to right field.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:43 PM
Lincoln for the SAVE!

Marty said so too, but how is it a save with a 6-run lead and none on??

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HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:44 PM
St. Louis still beating Florida 4-2 in the 8th inning. Phillies are leading the Cubs 5-4 in the 9th inning. Joey is no longer pictured on the mlb.com main page. *sigh* :p:

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:44 PM
Marty said so too, but how is it a save with a 6-run lead and none on??

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3 innings with a lead.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:44 PM
3 innings with a lead.

I see.

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Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:44 PM
Hinske singles, 1 and 2nd. No out.

Braves playing rally music.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:45 PM
Escobar off the glove of Ocab. error. bases loaded.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:45 PM
Loaded.

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TRF
05-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Mike Lincoln for 1 inning. that's fine.

2 innings..... errrr.... ok

3 is just stupid.

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Scored a hit--no error on Ocab.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Scored a hit--no error on Ocab.

Ridiculous.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Better have someone ready in the bullpen Dusty...

Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Massett up in the pen.

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:47 PM
McLouth can make this a 2 run game in a hurry.

durl
05-20-2010, 04:47 PM
Gameday shows 2 pitches solid in the strikezone that were called balls. How accurate is Gameday?

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:48 PM
9-5.

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Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:48 PM
McClouth doubles. 9-5, no out. 2nd and 3rd.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:48 PM
Still no outs. Not liking this.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:48 PM
Lincoln gone. Masset in.

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Strikes Out Looking
05-20-2010, 04:49 PM
McClouth stopped at 1st.

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 04:49 PM
Will Owings ever get to pitch again? He's like the Paul Janish of the bullpen.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:49 PM
Still can't believe Escobar's grounder was ruled a hit. Cabrera had several out options there.

durl
05-20-2010, 04:50 PM
How can I be so confident that the Reds can come from behind and win a game in the last inning, yet have so LITTLE confidence that the Reds bullpen can hold it? Nerves, I guess.

Homer Bailey
05-20-2010, 04:50 PM
This is Cordero time. Not Masset time.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:50 PM
The bullpen is rusty. That's going to make me nervous for a while. :eek:

Kc61
05-20-2010, 04:50 PM
Haven't been on the game thread but why was Lincoln out there for a third inning and why wasn't he replaced after the first two got on?

Lincoln used to have problems going more than one inning. Ok, he worked two, fine, but three?

Yes, OCab didn't make that play but the batter smoked Lincoln's pitch.

Dusty, c'mon.

membengal
05-20-2010, 04:51 PM
Kc, if I had to guess, Dusty was trying to get him the save. He would have been in line for a three inning save.

membengal
05-20-2010, 04:52 PM
have just gone to "mute" to not have to listen to the braves announcers

Kc61
05-20-2010, 04:53 PM
Kc, if I had to guess, Dusty was trying to get him the save. He would have been in line for a three inning save.

Well, if so, it's not a good reason. Three innings saves are rare, why must Lincoln get one?

That's putting personal goals over the ballgame.

i mean, this is really disturbing it was such an obvious high risk move.

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 04:53 PM
Dusty needs to realize that fresh mediocre pitchers are often better than tired good ones. This is ridiculous. Now I imagine we're going to get Coco given the save opp.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:53 PM
Bases Juiced. Reds got really sloppy in this one after having the big lead.

CTA513
05-20-2010, 04:54 PM
he just walked a career .227 hitter to load the bases.

durl
05-20-2010, 04:54 PM
Did he pitch around Ross to get to a .320 hitter??? None of the pitches looked close.

membengal
05-20-2010, 04:54 PM
this thing has crossed over to scary. we are in real trouble.

CTA513
05-20-2010, 04:55 PM
Now Heyward will get a chance to hit unless Prado hits into a triple play.

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 04:56 PM
Can we cut Cairo yet? The guy is completely useless.

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 04:56 PM
Are you freaking kidding me? That had DP written all over it.

TRF
05-20-2010, 04:57 PM
This may quite possibly be the worst job of managing a game in the last 10 years.

Somewhere Bob Boone is nodding.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 04:57 PM
Collective Choke Job. Team deserves to lose.

durl
05-20-2010, 04:57 PM
aaaaannnnndddd.....the tying run will come to the plate with no one out.

Give me a stinkin' break.

HotCorner
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
try winning run :(

kbrake
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
This may quite possibly be the worst job of managing a game in the last 10 years.

Somewhere Bob Boone is nodding.

5 errors.

TheBurn
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
This is the type of game that IF they lose, can have damaging effects going forward...

durl
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
try winning run :(

Yep...sorry about that.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
WOW. Cairo better be out of this game. What a FAIL.

Rhodes in.

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HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 04:59 PM
What on earth is going on down there??! :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 04:59 PM
Still trying to figure out why there haven't been any defensive replacements. Seems to be a good idea...but what do I know.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 04:59 PM
2-1 count

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RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:00 PM
Jeez... throw FREAKING strikes at least. I don't care if it's Babe Ruth up there, he's still more likely to make an out.

TRF
05-20-2010, 05:00 PM
5 errors.

Lincoln pitching 3 innings

Owings PH, but not pitching

Cairo at 3B instead of Janish late in the game.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 05:00 PM
2-2 count

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Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 05:00 PM
KKKKKKKKKK on Heyward!!

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oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:01 PM
Heyward going for the ULTIMATE Slam - K!

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:01 PM
PHEW. Rhodes got him on a very good slider. That was huge.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:01 PM
Can we cut Cairo yet? The guy is completely useless.
he's the 25th man ... he doesn't matter so I've read around here. ;)

oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:01 PM
Coco?

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 05:02 PM
I swear I'm about to have a coronary. Just get the last two outs!!! :rant:

Buckeye33
05-20-2010, 05:02 PM
Please let Rhodes close this thing out. Cordero will lose it if brought in right now.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:02 PM
I was joking in chat when I said:


***[nate] 2:46 pm: maybe cordero will get a save op

:(

durl
05-20-2010, 05:02 PM
I say leave Rhodes in. Coco's going to give up a hit or two.

Kc61
05-20-2010, 05:02 PM
Coco?

Better be the good Coco today.

durl
05-20-2010, 05:03 PM
No room for error, Coco.

<aside to Dusty> You better know what you're doin'.

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:03 PM
He's finally found someone who can pitch and.... HE BRINGS IN CORDERO!!! OMG.

durl
05-20-2010, 05:04 PM
Yeah...let's not start pushing Dusty for MOY just yet.

TheBurn
05-20-2010, 05:04 PM
How bout a quick DP? :D

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:05 PM
Great stop by Ramon

CTA513
05-20-2010, 05:06 PM
Fisher and Herrera are the only guys left in the bullpen so I hope Cordero can shut this down.

Unassisted
05-20-2010, 05:06 PM
That look that Ramon gave Coco after snagging that ball was something. :D

medford
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
fubar

HotCorner
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
:thumbdown

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
He punched it over the wall with his glove.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
WOW. :cry:

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MrCinatit
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
StL just about to win too. Bye-bye (sole possesion of) 1st

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RedsMan3203
05-20-2010, 05:07 PM
Burnnnnn baby burnnnnnn

Playadlc
05-20-2010, 05:08 PM
Did that really just happen?

edabbs44
05-20-2010, 05:08 PM
wow.

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
You. Have. No. Idea. How. Badly. I. Want. To. Swear!!!!!

Un #&*#)*&^^* believable!!

Unassisted
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
We'll never forget this one. Hopefully, it's the most unforgettable loss of the year.

alloverjr
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
Good. Dusty (and Walt) should learn a little from this.

redsfaninbsg
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
Mother's Day game happened a few days later this year.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
Well now we're going to be on ESPN for all the WRONG reasons. :(

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
I can't even think of anything to say. How does that happen? Can we temporarily suspend the language filter?

oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
That was the worst blowup ever.

Beats the one with STL in 2006

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
that was a kick to the nuts

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:09 PM
Well, it was fun while it lasted.

It's one game. So don't...

Cedric
05-20-2010, 05:10 PM
I'm still trying to understand what happened.

Homer Bailey
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I serioulsy might throw up.

I'm shaking I'm so mad at how that inning was managed.

KoryMac5
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I feel like I did after the Bronco's beat the Bengals.

Unassisted
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I'm still trying to understand what happened.Nix had the grand slam ball in his glove before it went over the fence.

15fan
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I picked a really crappy day to be stuck at the office 1 mile away from Turner Field.

I have never been this thankful that I was stuck at the office & couldn't go to a game.

Instead of riding home, I would be in the back of a police cruiser.

alloverjr
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
This bullpen has problems. BIG problems.

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I serioulsy might throw up.

I'm shaking I'm so mad at how that inning was managed.

Managed?

How about executed?

Wheelhouse
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
I'm still trying to understand what happened.

The Cincinnati Coast. Go up big early, kick back and coast, get beat by a professional team.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
It's one game. So don't...however, sometimes games like this turn seasons around. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Braves keep on going.

TRF
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
worst managing job ever.

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
Wait....Did they lose?

What actually happened?

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
These guys do not know how to play with a huge lead. Hopefully now they do and they don't let crap like this happen again. WTH happened to the bullpen!? I know they're a little rusty but seriously, THROW STRIKES. :eek:

durl
05-20-2010, 05:11 PM
Good. Dusty (and Walt) should learn a little from this.

Exactly. Walt probably will. I have doubts about Dusty learning anything from it.

<aside to Dusty again> I told you so...

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
Good. Dusty (and Walt) should learn a little from this.
Why am I not that optimistic.

dsmith421
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
I'm still trying to understand what happened.

Mike Lincoln happened. Miguel Cairo happened.

Amazing how those unimportant 24th and 25th men bite you in the hindquarters.

UKFlounder
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
Same old Reds, it appears.

Benihana
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
That is the worst Reds game I have ever heard of.

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
You know...if Nix hadn't even gone for it....it would've hit off the wall. He knocked it over.

Degenerate39
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
I just got home from work and I feel sick now.

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
So everyone knows what happened but won't tell anyone?

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
These guys do not know how to play with a huge lead. Hopefully now they do and they don't let crap like this happen again. WTH happened to the bullpen!? I know they're a little rusty but seriously, THROW STRIKES. :eek:

"These guys"?? It was 98% the bullpen...

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:12 PM
I have grown a lot in letting sports get to me in the grand scheme of things, but that has made me sick to my stomach :(

edabbs44
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
So everyone knows what happened but won't tell anyone?

7 runs in ninth. Not the Reds.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
Managed?

How about executed?

This.

Team needs to sweep the Indians to regain some respectabiilty.

BoydsOfSummer
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
unfreakingbelievable. That oughta suck the life out of them, and it should. that was disgusting.

Unassisted
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
It's interesting listening to Marty on this one. He isn't really blaming anyone for this loss.

Redsfan320
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
Wait....Did they lose?

What actually happened?

Oh yeah they lost. Cairo bobbled a ball and didn't get an out. Lincoln loaded the bases and gave up 2. Cordero & Nix teamed up to make sure the braves hit a walk off GS. That's what happened.

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RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
When people ask about why people like me complain about the crap at the end of the roster, this is why. Paul Janish should have been at 3rd. Micah Owings should have been pitching the 9th. These aren't hard calls to make.

HokieRed
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
Need some bullpen arms, at least two. No other solution.

CTA513
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
So everyone knows what happened but won't tell anyone?

Reds get a big lead and blow it with poor defense and pitching.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:13 PM
I'm no Dusty fan but I am not sure it was mismanaged.

There are folks who have been pointing out the end of the roster guys aren't very good but they tend to get shouted down by saying those guys don't matter. Well today they did matter ... a lot.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 05:14 PM
IT'S ONE GAME. I can't stand that the negative nillies are all going to come out of the woodwork over this game. It sucks to lose (especially this way) but it's one game. Can we not push the panic button yet? :eek:

I know the blown game is mostly on the bullpen but it sounds like there were a ton of errors today that should not have happened. That's why I said 'the guys'.

Superdude
05-20-2010, 05:14 PM
Mike Lincoln is just awful...call up Wood or something. that just sucks so bad

nate
05-20-2010, 05:14 PM
Managed?

How about executed?

How about both?

dsmith421
05-20-2010, 05:14 PM
So everyone knows what happened but won't tell anyone?

Lincoln gave up five straight baserunners to start the inning, Dusty brought in Masset who immediately proceeded to walk The David Ross. With the bases loaded Prado hit a DP ball to the Ancient Mariner, Cairo kicked it. Rhodes came in and struck out Hayward, but Dusty immediately yanked him for Cordero, who looked like garbage and let some rookie hit a walkoff grand slam with an assist from Nix who Cansecoed it over the wall.

Reds baseball: I just want to puke.

Cedric
05-20-2010, 05:15 PM
This.

Team needs to sweep the Indians to regain some respectabiilty.

Execution killed them. The sloppy play in the middle innings set this up.

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:15 PM
Wow. I heard the first seven innings, and then I was in a meeting and I come back to this?

Guess I'm glad I didn't hear it.

Two gut wrenching losses in a row.

It was a fun season while it lasted, I guess.

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:15 PM
So everyone knows what happened but won't tell anyone?

7 runs scored in the bottom of the ninth. Lincoln still in for his third straight inning. Consecutive hits, then errors & bobbles (Cairo & Cabrera), Rhodes comes in to K Heyward, then Coco gives up the grand slam walkoff style. Nix went up to snag it, but it hits off his glove and goes over. If he hadn't gone for it at all...it would've bounced off the wall.

savafan
05-20-2010, 05:15 PM
Just curious, why not leave Rhodes in?

Wheelhouse
05-20-2010, 05:15 PM
Execution killed them. The sloppy play in the middle innings set this up.

Agreed. I don't care how many runs you score, if you make 4 errors (really 5) you deserve to lose.

Sea Ray
05-20-2010, 05:16 PM
If you count Nix, that's three errors in one inning. Can't blame Dusty for that. It was a team choke job

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:16 PM
I'm no Dusty fan but I am not sure it was mismanaged.

You've got to be kidding. He left Lincoln in waaaaay too long.. followed by Masset. Find a guy who can actually get someone out (Rhodes) and TAKES HIM OUT FOR CORDERO!!

If that's not mismanaging, I don't know what is.

Granted, there were some bad defensive plays, but IMHO, it wasn't bad enough to cost the game... perhaps a few runs, but that's it. It was pitching (lack thereof)... pure and simple.

savafan
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
If you count Nix, that's three errors in one inning. Can't blame Dusty for that. It was a team choke job

You CAN blame Dusty for letting it get to that point though by leaving Mike Lincoln in to pitch his 3rd consecutive inning.

Benihana
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
Did I mention the stock market is crashing as we speak?

The sky really is falling!

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
7 runs scored in the bottom of the ninth. Lincoln still in for his third straight inning. Consecutive hits, then errors & bobbles (Cairo & Cabrera), Rhodes comes in to K Heyward, then Coco gives up the grand slam walkoff style. Nix went up to snag it, but it hits off his glove and goes over. If he hadn't gone for it at all...it would've bounced off the wall.

Seriously? A walk off slam?

Awefulness.

This should be a wake up call to everyone.

oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
If you count Nix, that's three errors in one inning. Can't blame Dusty for that. It was a team choke job

Dusty has his share, but its a smaller share.

Team gave up on defense and offense after the big inning.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
Cairo's boot was the key to the comeback, plain and simple. I do not remember this many crazy comebacks in days of yore. It seems that ever since the situational bullpen became the norm, there are some doozy late inning rallies, and no lead is safe.

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:17 PM
You've got to be kidding. He left Lincoln in waaaaay too long.. followed by Masset. Find a guy who can actually get someone out (Rhodes) and TAKES HIM OUT FOR CORDERO!!

If that's not mismanaging, I don't know what is.

Granted, there were some bad defensive plays, but IMHO, it wasn't bad enough to cost the game... perhaps a few runs, but that's it. It was pitching (lack thereof)... pure and simple.
+ 1

And what about defensive replacements?

Degenerate39
05-20-2010, 05:18 PM
I'd get rid of Cairo asap and Lincoln.

Sea Ray
05-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Lincoln hadn't thrown many pitches. He ought to be able to finish off a game like that. Ditto for Masset and Cordero

membengal
05-20-2010, 05:19 PM
At least four managerial errors in the 9th. Should have had Janish or Rolen in at 3b. Should have lifted Lincoln after he gave up the first hit, frankly. Should have had Heisey in LF. Should have left Rhodes in after he handled Heyward.

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Lincoln was fine for 2 innings. Why keep him in for a 3rd??

Homer Bailey
05-20-2010, 05:20 PM
Managed?

How about executed?

Physical mistakes will happen when you make every possible wrong choice you can make.

A. You put Janish in at 3B.

B. In no way shape or form should Lincoln have taken the mound.

C. In no way shape or form should he have stayed in after letting the first two guys reach.

D. How do you not have guys ready in the bullpen? You really thought Lincoln was that nails? That he wouldn't get into trouble in his 3rd inning?

E. Bring back Massett the train wreck after the debacle last night?

F. Finally a good choice! Bringing Rhodes in! BUT THEN YOU TAKE HIM OUT!?!?!?

Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke. You can not telling me that inning was managed well.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:20 PM
+ 1

And what about defensive replacements?They had a freakin' 6 run lead. It was a comeback for the ages. You don't put in defensive replacements and you let a Mike Lincoln finish it out to save the bullpen. The strategy was fine, the players didn't do their jobs. Hard to take, makes me literally sick to my stomach, but believers in karma should be worshipping right now.

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:20 PM
I agree that Mike was left in too long. Masset didn't have it. But IMO the key to that inning was the 3 runs (maybe 4) given up by Cabrera & Cairo. I just don't get the thinking on the defensive replacements there. Now it's NOT a "wake up call" or anything of the sort. It's just a loss. A stinging one, but thinking about all the ones that we ended up on the happy end of...it was due to happen.

The thing that I'm bummed about...I feel bad for Mike Leake. He pitched one helluva game.

KoryMac5
05-20-2010, 05:20 PM
I need a drink and a break from anything Red related tonight. Tomorrow is another day.

membengal
05-20-2010, 05:21 PM
worst managing job ever.

It sure as shooting wasn't good.

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:21 PM
+ 1

And what about defensive replacements?

7 run lead and you're pondering defensive replacements at the top of the 9th?

7 run lead?

Degenerate39
05-20-2010, 05:21 PM
This has sucked out all the life from the season it feels like. They damn well better get a winning streak going soon to counter act this

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:22 PM
You've got to be kidding. He left Lincoln in waaaaay too long.. followed by Masset. Find a guy who can actually get someone out (Rhodes) and TAKES HIM OUT FOR CORDERO!!

If that's not mismanaging, I don't know what is.you can't use the same guys out of the pen day after day. to this point of the season the back of the pen has been overworked. Lincoln had retired six in a row and I see no reason to take him out and replace with Fisher/Herrera.

The Reds end of the bench sucks, some want to brush it off but today show why you want to have guys better than the Reds have in those spots.

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:22 PM
Lincoln hadn't thrown many pitches. He ought to be able to finish off a game like that. Ditto for Masset and Cordero

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. But it was evident that Lincoln and Masset could NOT... long before all that damage was done. And Cordero? Well, he was just being Cordero... ugh! He never should have been in there in the first place.

RANDY IN INDY
05-20-2010, 05:22 PM
Jockety needs to get rid of a player and make a statement after this debacle to say, "We're not going to tolerate this any more."

mdccclxix
05-20-2010, 05:22 PM
You've got to be kidding. He left Lincoln in waaaaay too long.. followed by Masset. Find a guy who can actually get someone out (Rhodes) and TAKES HIM OUT FOR CORDERO!!

If that's not mismanaging, I don't know what is.

Granted, there were some bad defensive plays, but IMHO, it wasn't bad enough to cost the game... perhaps a few runs, but that's it. It was pitching (lack thereof)... pure and simple.

Dude, they had a 6 run lead. This is not on Dusty.

savafan
05-20-2010, 05:22 PM
I can't help but feel that when the team does win, it's in spite of Dusty.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:23 PM
It sure as shooting wasn't good.snowball rolling downhill. Blamin' Dusty for this has got to be just so much blowing off steam, because rationally, you get 3 outs and go home with major league ballplayers. Sometimes you can't stop the snowball....ya know, like 8 run 2nd innings ;)

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:23 PM
Karma is when a team that has 10 last aat bat wins loses in the bottom of the 9th themselves, in a fantastic way

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:23 PM
7 run lead and you're pondering defensive replacements at the top of the 9th?

7 run lead?
Would it be acceptable to make some changes when it becomes 9-6 in the 9th?

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:23 PM
Dude, they had a 6 run lead. This is not on Dusty.

I'm not a Dude... and yes it is on Dusty. You don't let Lincoln walk in a run. You do something before that happens... there were NOT OUTS when he did that!

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:24 PM
I don't really blame Dusty....Except for not leaving Rhodes in. That should have been a no brainer.

What I think is the wake up call is that Nix and Cairo need to go, and it won't take an act of pure genious to replace them.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:24 PM
the end of the bench doesn't matter, til it does.

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:24 PM
At four managerial errors in the 9th. Should have had Janish or Rolen in at 3b. Should have lifted Lincoln after he gave up the first hit, frankly. Should have had Heisey in LF. Should have left Rhodes in after he handled Heyward.

Nix is a fine LF, but otherwise yeah, Dusty really screwed the pooch there too. He certainly wasn't helped by his players' failure of execution, but what happened to putting players in a position to succeed. If Janish can't be used as a defensive replacement, when can he be used? Did he not date Dusty's daughter or something?

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:24 PM
I'm not a Dude... and yes it is on Dusty. You don't let Lincoln walk in a run. You do something before that happens... there were NOT OUTS when he did that!

This is also true.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:24 PM
I don't see why it has to be one or the other. Dusty screwed up and the players didn't execute.

That's a terrible loss, folks.

I would remind those attempting to blow sunshine up our backsides of the view.

:cool:

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
Would it be acceptable to make some changes when it becomes 9-6 in the 9th?
They're all pros, they have to do their job or lose it.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
Karma is when a team that has 10 last at wins loses in the bottom of the 9th

Karma isn't a zero-sum game.

TeamBoone
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
[QUOTE=flyer85;2089888]you can't use the same guys out of the pen day after day. [QUOTE]

You do what you gotta do to win on any given day. When the bases are loaded and no outs... FIX IT! Actually, fix it before it gets to that point.

RedsManRick
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
They're all pros, they have to do their job or lose it.

So, who do you think will lose their job here? I'm going with nobody.

savafan
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
Dude, they had a 6 run lead. This is not on Dusty.

She's actually a dudette. ;)

It's not possible for a manager to make decisions, or lack of correct moves which allow things to blow up on the field?

I think the bullpen management is key to this loss.

NJReds
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
Dusty got cute trying to get Lincoln a 3-inning save instead of bringing in a rested reliever. He had no backup plan for what to do if Lincoln couldn't do it. By the time he got his guys up and ready, it was too late.

There was no thought in his mind that they could blow the lead, and that's why you didn't see Janish for Cairo and anyone in LF but Nix. He was already getting ready for the flight home.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
So, who do you think will lose their job here? I'm going with nobody.

This.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:25 PM
The only thing I could fault Dusty for was pulling Rhodes. Cordero has been mostly smoke and mirrors to this point in piling up the saves. Guy makes me nervous every time he comes in.

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:26 PM
Did he not date Dusty's daughter or something?

Yeah you tell em Rick

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:26 PM
I don't really blame Dusty....Except for not leaving Rhodes in. That should have been a no brainer.

What I think is the wake up call is that Nix and Cairo need to go, and it won't take an act of pure genious to replace them.

Nix and Cairo? Bruce dropped one on the warning trick, Cabrera booted two, only one was an error. The D had the dropsies all day. Freaky day at Turner Field. Nix and Cairo contributed to the 9 runs.

Oh, and my stomach is coming back. Its still just a game, a frustrating, silly, easy to love and easy to hate game...but just a game.

Spring~Fields
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
Atlanta 10, Cincinnati 9

Scoring Summary
Top 2nd: Cincinnati
Cairo singled to shallow center, R. Hernandez scored, M. Leake to third,
O. Cabrera to second
Votto homered to deep center, M. Leake, O. Cabrera and M. Cairo scored
Hernandez singled to shallow center, B. Phillips scored, J. Bruce to second
Nix doubled to right, J. Bruce and R. Hernandez scored

Bot 3rd: Atlanta
Heyward safe at first on pitcher M. Leake's fielding error, M. Prado scored

Bot 5th: Atlanta
Heyward safe at first on shortstop O. Cabrera's fielding error, N. McLouth,
M. Cabrera and M. Prado scored, J. Heyward to second

Bot 9th: Atlanta
McLouth singled to right, T. Glaus and E. Hinske scored, Y. Escobar to third
Prado safe at first on third baseman M. Cairo's fielding error, Y. Escobar scored,
N. McLouth to third, D. Ross to second
Conrad homered to deep left center, N. McLouth, D. Ross and M. Prado scored

Reds Batting
2B - L Nix (2, T Hanson); M Leake (1, J Chavez).
HR - J Votto (10, 2nd inning off T Hanson 3 on, 2 Out),
L Nix (2, 5th inning off J Chavez 0 on, 1 Out).
RBI - M Cairo (3), J Votto 4 (31), R Hernandez (8), L Nix 3 (6).
2-out RBI - M Cairo, J Votto 4, R Hernandez, L Nix 2.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - O Cabrera 1,
B Phillips 1, J Bruce 1, D Stubbs 2, M Owings 1.
GIDP - J Votto, B Phillips, L Nix.
Team LOB - 8.

Reds Fielding
E - O Cabrera (3, field); M Cairo (2, field); J Bruce (1, field);
M Leake (2, field).
DP - 2 (O Cabrera-B Phillips-J Votto, J Votto-O Cabrera-M Leake).

Pitching


Cincinnati
IP H R ER BB K HR
Leake 6.0 5 3 1 1 6 0
Lincoln 2.0 4 4 4 0 0 0
Masset 0.0 0 2 1 1 0 0
Rhodes 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Cordero 0.0 1 1 1 0 0 1

Atlanta
Hanson 1.2 8 8 8 2 2 1
Chavez 3.1 2 1 1 0 3 1
Venters 3.0 3 0 0 2 3 0
Kimbrel 1.0 0 0 0 1 1 0


HPB - J Votto (by T Hanson).

Pitches-strikes -
M Leake 99-62; M Lincoln 33-23; N Masset 9-3;
A Rhodes 6-3; F Cordero 6-4; C Kimbrel 20-11; J Venters 48-28;
T Hanson 55-31; J Chavez 42-24.

Ground balls-fly balls -
M Leake 10-4; M Lincoln 2-5; N Masset 1-0; A Rhodes 0-0;
F Cordero 0-1; C Kimbrel 2-0; J Venters 5-0; T Hanson 4-4; J Chavez 1-6.

Batters faced -
M Leake 25; M Lincoln 10; N Masset 2; A Rhodes 1; F Cordero 1;
C Kimbrel 4; J Venters 12; T Hanson 16; J Chavez 12.

bucksfan2
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
Good thing is they get to play tomorrow.

Completely unacceptable but that is life.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cairo let go sometime in the near future.

mdccclxix
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
Dusty uses 4 guys in his bullpen, they get creamed, and it's his fault? His players failed him, END OF STORY.

flyer85
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
anyone know why Rolen has sat twice this week.

Is the back acting up?

Puffy
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
At four managerial errors in the 9th. Should have had Janish or Rolen in at 3b. Should have lifted Lincoln after he gave up the first hit, frankly. Should have had Heisey in LF. Should have left Rhodes in after he handled Heyward.

I'm sorry - but give me a break. It was a 6 run lead in the 9th inning. You really think you need defensive replacements in a MLB 6 run, 1 inning situation??? 6 runs are scored in an inning how often? These guys needed 3 outs and then you go home. They are major leaguers. Defensive replacements are for 1 or 2 run games. Otherwise a manager has to have full confidence in whole team because whole team needs confidence to play well. They get paid to field, they failed and they have to live with it.

But Scott Rolen in a 6 run game for defense? Heisey for Nix (who is a damn good defenisive player)?

Come on.

Degenerate39
05-20-2010, 05:27 PM
What a depressing game

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:28 PM
So, who do you think will lose their job here? I'm going with nobody.

So after this karma loss you feel someone's head should roll, how many heads rolled when the Reds came back over the past few weeks against other teams?

I doubt anyone's head rolls.

In fact I'll bet the most disturbed folks are posting in this thread right now.

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:28 PM
Nix and Cairo? Bruce dropped one on the warning trick, Cabrera booted two, only one was an error. The D had the dropsies all day. Freaky day at Turner Field.

Oh, and my stomach is coming back. Its still just a game, a frustrating, silly, easy to love and easy to hate game...but just a game.

Of course you're right, but I'd defer to Bruce's body of work over Cairo's any day.:p:

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:28 PM
anyone know why Rolen has sat twice this week.

Is the back acting up?

Hamstring

Chip R
05-20-2010, 05:29 PM
I'm sorry - but give me a break. It was a 6 run lead in the 9th inning. You really think you need defensive replacements in a MLB 6 run, 1 inning situation??? 6 runs are scored in an inning how often? These guys needed 3 outs and then you go home. They are major leaguers. Defensive replacements are for 1 or 2 run games. Otherwise a manager has to have full confidence in whole team because whole team needs confidence to play well. They get paid to field, they failed and they have to live with it.

But Scott Rolen in a 6 run game for defense? Heisey for Nix (who is a damn good defenisive player)?

Come on.

I agree, Puffy. Frustrating as the devil to lose this game but major league players should be able to hold a 7 run lead.

membengal
05-20-2010, 05:29 PM
When people ask about why people like me complain about the crap at the end of the roster, this is why. Paul Janish should have been at 3rd. Micah Owings should have been pitching the 9th. These aren't hard calls to make.

You recall that wasn't an option on Owings, because he burned him as a pinch hitter in the 7th and then didn't let him stay on to pitch. Used him as a pinch hitter with a runner in scoring position over hitters like Gomes.

mdccclxix
05-20-2010, 05:30 PM
It's a matter of time before we find out how historic of a failure this was today. Yeah!

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:31 PM
Dusty uses 4 guys in his bullpen, they get creamed, and it's his fault? His players failed him, END OF STORY.
Yep the players screwed up. But you can't tell me Dusty doesn't get some of the blame for this one.

Puffy
05-20-2010, 05:32 PM
I agree, Puffy. Frustrating as the devil to lose this game but major league players should be able to hold a 7 run lead.

Yup, and you wanna know who the most depressed people are right now - Cairo (who I am not a fan of, but still guy didn't try to bobble ball) and Nix and Cabrera.

They are way harder on themselves right now then you all should be.

KoryMac5
05-20-2010, 05:32 PM
It's a matter of time before we find out how historic of a failure this was today. Yeah!

Historic in May, not even half way into a season. I'd rank it right up there with Pickett's Charge.

jojo
05-20-2010, 05:33 PM
There really isn't a lot to take from this one IMHO.

Thank gosh they play again tomorrow.

mdccclxix
05-20-2010, 05:33 PM
Yep the players screwed up. But you can't tell me Dusty doesn't get some of the blame for this one.

Explain how likely any of the things were that happened? Pinch-hit, opposite field Grand Slam off Nix's glove? Damn you Dusty!!!:rolleyes:

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:33 PM
7 run lead and you're pondering defensive replacements at the top of the 9th?

7 run lead?

Actually it was a 6 run lead, but that's not the point. I wouldn't have wanted Janish in as a 9th inning defensive replacement. I would've put him in as a defensive replacement back in the 4th inning or so....at SHORT! Cabrera needs some days off too. Just like Janish needs some time IN a game.

For all the slamming going on right now about the botched play by Cairo in the ninth...not many people are pointing fingers in Cabrera's direction for the botched double play ball hit to him by Escobar. He should've had that ball and it was a tailor made double play...sharply hit and almost directly at him. Cairo's play...even if he'd pulled it cleanly out of his glove, his only play was to first most likely. That would've been a tough DP to turn.

So yeah, defensive replacements. Cabrera's in there for his bat...up 8-1 we don't NEED his bat.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:34 PM
Karma is when a team that has 10 last aat bat wins loses in the bottom of the 9th themselves, in a fantastic way

Karma isn't a zero-sum game.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:35 PM
Of course you're right, but I'd defer to Bruce's body of work over Cairo's any day.:p:Sure, just making sure certain facts are brought into evidence :) The Reds aren't relying on Cairo and Nix every day either. They played like, well, benchwarmers. Just a crappy, unpredictable, what goes around comes around loss.

Of course, now we have a "it was that game in Atlanta" to point to as the reason the Reds tanked. But then, if they continue to consistently play winning baseball, then this game will be pointed to show just how much character the team had, to be able to overcome this loss. You can't go wrong, well unless you're Fay, who probably won't use that story line ever again.

Spring~Fields
05-20-2010, 05:35 PM
If Janish can't be used as a defensive replacement, when can he be used?

You already posted it.

This was a incredibly odd game, I can't believe how it all went from the eight run inning to the mess at the end. Just sports I guess, or an education for all of us and the Reds.

membengal
05-20-2010, 05:36 PM
I'm sorry - but give me a break. It was a 6 run lead in the 9th inning. You really think you need defensive replacements in a MLB 6 run, 1 inning situation??? 6 runs are scored in an inning how often? These guys needed 3 outs and then you go home. They are major leaguers. Defensive replacements are for 1 or 2 run games. Otherwise a manager has to have full confidence in whole team because whole team needs confidence to play well. They get paid to field, they failed and they have to live with it.

But Scott Rolen in a 6 run game for defense? Heisey for Nix (who is a damn good defenisive player)?

Come on.

Yes. For defensive purposes, and also because it would be a fine chance to get them some run. It's why you presumably employ Paul Janish. I don't know why you employ Miguel Cairo. You improve your defense as a hedge against unthinkable, and you get all your guys some work. What is so weird about that?

Did I miss the memo on how good Cairo's D is at 3b?

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:36 PM
Explain how likely any of the things were that happened? Pinch-hit, opposite field Grand Slam off Nix's glove? Damn you Dusty!!!:rolleyes:
Come on. Lincoln was fine for 2 innings. Why would anyone push their luck by making him pitch a 3rd inning? Dusty brings in Cordero when the bases are loaded and you didn't get a bad feeling? :rolleyes:

macro
05-20-2010, 05:37 PM
It's a matter of time before we find out how historic of a failure this was today. Yeah!

It will probably be the difference between the team finishing 12 games out of first and 13 games out of first. This was a .500 team that got on a hot streak. Hot streak over, team back to .500. :(

Patrick Bateman
05-20-2010, 05:37 PM
The exact same thing happened to Tommy Hanson in the 2nd inning. Nobody seemed to mind then.

It happens. Ours just came at a really really bad time.

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:38 PM
Why would anyone push their luck by making him pitch a 3rd inning?


Because the season is long and bullpens are fragile?

Wheelhouse
05-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Come on. Lincoln was fine for 2 innings. Why would anyone push their luck by making him pitch a 3rd inning? Dusty brings in Cordero when the bases are loaded and you didn't get a bad feeling? :rolleyes:

Here's another thing--Cordero wasn't ready. Was he even in the bullpen when Masset was cued up, or was he getting ready for the road trip in his civies and had to put his uni back on? When Masset startied warming up it was a save situation.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Those guys better be mad as heck at themselves for letting this one get away. You can't really pin this one on any one person but they have to get mad about it, realize their own mistakes, and then move on toward the next series. They can't carry this one with them to Cleveland (that would really kill this road trip) but I do hope they carry the offense with them and take out their frustration on the Indians.

Oy, I gotta let this one go too. If it hurts us this bad, I can only imagine how disgusted and disappointed the players are right now. :(

savafan
05-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Because the season is long and bullpens are fragile?

So is Lincoln.

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:40 PM
So is Lincoln.
Thank you.

Degenerate39
05-20-2010, 05:40 PM
I hope Dusty shuts off the club house and gives them a good bashing. Worked last time

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:42 PM
Because the season is long and bullpens are fragile?And because he had retired 6 in a row and Daniel Ray Herrerra had pulled a very similar tank in the Monday night game.

Folks, please, examining the strategy is really unbelievable in light of the comeback. Why no criticism for Cox lifting Chipper and McCann, which left him with a rookie to hit a Grand Slam? I'm sure he is in the clubhouse telling everyone he planned it that way, even though we know he didn't call "bank."

It was a fluke, an absolute fluke. Now, lets get back to waiting for the epic collapse with our fragile psyches and explain it away with "the Reds made me this way."

Cyclone792
05-20-2010, 05:44 PM
I'm glad I was in the car for this one. As soon as I heard Laynce Nix pushed the ball over the wall, I turned the radio off. For once, I was actually more bitter about something else than sitting in traffic.

That sound you hear is the Lost Decade laughing at us all once again. It won't go away that easily.

wheels
05-20-2010, 05:44 PM
Those guys better be mad as heck at themselves for letting this one get away. You can't really pin this one on any one person but they have to get mad about it, realize their own mistakes, and then move on toward the next series. They can't carry this one with them to Cleveland (that would really kill this road trip) but I do hope they carry the offense with them and take out their frustration on the Indians.

Oy, I gotta let this one go too. If it hurts us this bad, I can only imagine how disgusted and disappointed the players are right now. :(

Yeah. They'll be upset until they get home to their million dlollar homes and trophy wives.:D

Kc61
05-20-2010, 05:45 PM
And because he had retired 6 in a row and Daniel Ray Herrerra had pulled a very similar tank in the Monday night game.

Folks, please, examining the strategy is really unbelievable in light of the comeback. Why no criticism for Cox lifting Chipper and McCann, which left him with a rookie to hit a Grand Slam. I'm sure he is in the clubhouse telling everyone he planned it that way.

It was a fluke, an absolute fluke. Now, lets get back to waiting for the epic collapse with our fragile psyches.

I didn't understand why

Dusty pinch hit Owings for Leake and removed Mike after six innings.
Dusty left Lincoln in for a third inning.
Dusty left Lincoln in for so many hitters in the ninth when he was obviously done.
Dusty didn't leave Rhodes in after he fanned Heyward.

And in hindsight, it is odd that the Reds infielders made all those errors with Janish and Rolen sitting on the pine in the ninth.

Nix's bobble cost the game but there were some moves to disagree with.

BRM
05-20-2010, 05:46 PM
Are there any recliners or couches that can be removed from the clubhouse?

westofyou
05-20-2010, 05:47 PM
Removing Leake is defendable, he has a ceiling on his IP this year, taking him out with a safe W was looking like a good decision, as for Rolen he needed a blow according to Marty.

membengal
05-20-2010, 05:49 PM
Removing Leake was clearly the right thing to do.

Is anyone saying otherwise?

Janish could have been in for the 9th at 3b very easily. And should have been. If only to get some work, and as a bonus, because he is a better defender. Etc. etc.

nate
05-20-2010, 05:50 PM
Are there any recliners or couches that can be removed from the clubhouse?

No, they were all replaced with sensory deprivation chambers.

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 05:50 PM
Removing Leake is defendable, he has a ceiling on his IP this year, taking him out with a safe W was looking like a good decision, as for Rolen he needed a blow according to Marty.
I can agree with ya on those two moves. There were other moves though that aren't quite as easy to defend.

I'm really glad they don't have an off day tomorrow.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:50 PM
I didn't understand why

Dusty pinch hit Owings for Leake and removed Mike after six innings.
Dusty left Lincoln in for a third inning.
Dusty left Lincoln in for so many hitters in the ninth when he was obviously done.
Dusty didn't leave Rhodes in after he fanned Heyward.

And in hindsight, it is odd that the Reds infielders made all those errors with Janish and Rolen sitting on the pine in the ninth.

Not the best managed game IMO.It was 9-3. Heading to the ninth. If it was the Reds losing, I wouldn't have even known it happened because I would have been out mowing grass or gardening or playing with the kids and had a pleasant surprise later, after I told the person to quit messing with me a dozen times before looking it up for myself. 99% of the time the way Dusty did things would result in a win. Where are the "win chance stats" to analyze the chance that the Braves just enjoyed?

BTW, you forgot to put on your list that you wondered why Cox doubleswitched out the heart of his order.

I'm disappointed, too, seriously, but try shrugging it off. Its what the players have to do. They have to shrug, say "man I hate losing, this sucks" and go play a series against the scuffling Indians.

BRM
05-20-2010, 05:51 PM
No, they were all replaced with sensory deprivation chambers.

Remove all the magazines then. No more reading in the clubhouse.

CTA513
05-20-2010, 05:52 PM
Are there any recliners or couches that can be removed from the clubhouse?

Dunn and Griffey had some shipped to GABP before yesterdays game.

:D

oneupper
05-20-2010, 05:53 PM
Memory Lane

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250502117

forfreelin04
05-20-2010, 05:53 PM
The Sky isn't falling.

This must be what it feels like to be Indians with Bob Wickman closing against Adam Dunn in the ninth. HAHA!

Get em tomorrow gang! I'm more disappointed they didn't pad the pythag then win. ha!

forfreelin04
05-20-2010, 05:55 PM
Like I've said before.... the most important games are on that homestand against two very mediocre clubs.

Love to have that one back, but I'm sure the Brewers would have loved to get one out against the Reds on Tuesday. What goes around........

_Sir_Charles_
05-20-2010, 05:55 PM
Janish could have been in for the 9th at 3b very easily. And should have been. If only to get some work, and as a bonus, because he is a better defender. Etc. etc.

This is the thinking I don't get. OCab could use a day off too. He's not exactly a spring chicken. Cairo got the start because Dusty wanted to get him some time in there. Fine, whatever. But once the Reds got up big...Janish should've been in there replacing Cabrera. Not in the 9th...but much earlier. Why? Because HE needs some time in there too...just like Cairo. If they're on the team, they need to play some. (I'm not defending having Cairo on the roster...he shouldn't be, but if he IS...then he should get "some" playing time or what's the point).

The point is, Cairo was in the game to get some playing time. Cabrera's in there for his bat and his bat alone. Up by 8 runs...his bat is no longer needed. Paul should've been in there for nearly the second half of the game IMO. Heck, he should've gotten the start...especially with Leake on the hill.

Patrick Bateman
05-20-2010, 05:55 PM
Removing Leake is defendable, he has a ceiling on his IP this year, taking him out with a safe W was looking like a good decision, as for Rolen he needed a blow according to Marty.

Plus he was around 100 pitches. This thread would have gone nuts if he was left in considering the lead we had.

Rolen getting a day off is good.

To me, the worst thing about this was having Cairo on the field. He simply is not major league calibre. That's not something just based on that game, but something that has been pretty obvious since day 1. This game simply magnifies that. Everything else to a degree is debatable, but it would be about impossible to suggest that Cairo should be on the team.

forfreelin04
05-20-2010, 05:56 PM
Plus he was around 100 pitches. This thread would have gone nuts if he was left in considering the lead we had.

Rolen getting a day off is good.

To me, the worst thing about this was having Cairo on the field. He simply is not major league calibre. That's not something just based on that game, but something that has been pretty obvious since day 1. This game simply magnifies that. Everything else to a degree is debatable, but it would be about impossible to suggest that Cairo should be on the team.

While I agree with you, I don't think Cairo would hit much worse than Drew Stubbs as far as OBP and AVG go if he played everyday.

traderumor
05-20-2010, 05:57 PM
With all I've said, late in the game thread that I was not participating in until I needed this therapy, I am really concerned about Cordero and Massett not getting the job done with any consistency. Cordero is just plain unreliable these days, and bad Massett is back. If it wasn't for Rhodes, I think we would have seen more of these by now. And Rhodes was the one I worried about most having a "reliever volatility" correction this season.

Hopefully, Cordero and Massett are epic slumping like the starters did at the start of the season. Otherwise, meltdowns are us.

dsmith421
05-20-2010, 06:01 PM
For all the bluster about a "closer's mentality", Cordero absolutely cannot be trusted to come into an inning midstream. We've seen that time and again.

forfreelin04
05-20-2010, 06:05 PM
For all the bluster about a "closer's mentality", Cordero absolutely cannot be trusted to come into an inning midstream. We've seen that time and again.

From a pitch standpoint, it really wasn't bad location at all. It was clear he wanted to out of the inning with a fastball. The ball was off the plate, the guy just went with it.

95 mph fastballs don't have to be that hard to get out. Looked like it was a bit wind aided too.

Masset is another story. I called this opening day. I saw him having more of a regression than any of the other relievers. What's sad is he's the problem. His stuff still amazing, he just can't locate and eases off the throttle with 2 outs.

HeatherC1212
05-20-2010, 06:08 PM
Did any of those relief guys even get enough time to warm up? The thought just occured to me that it all happened so fast that the relievers may not have had enough time to really get themselves eady to pitch in the game. It's no excuse for not getting the job done but it could have been a factor. I really wish Rhodes had been left in the game. :(

reds44
05-20-2010, 06:15 PM
Did any of those relief guys even get enough time to warm up? The thought just occured to me that it all happened so fast that the relievers may not have had enough time to really get themselves eady to pitch in the game. It's no excuse for not getting the job done but it could have been a factor. I really wish Rhodes had been left in the game. :(
They all did. Cordeo was up before Rhodes ever got into the game. Rhodes was up like 4 batters before Heyward.

It was just bad.

redsfandan
05-20-2010, 06:21 PM
Good defense and a good bullpen. Yep, that's some of the things that the 2010 Reds are known for alright. I'm gonna have to keep my fingers crossed tomorrow.

redsmetz
05-20-2010, 06:36 PM
So after this karma loss you feel someone's head should roll, how many heads rolled when the Reds came back over the past few weeks against other teams?

I doubt anyone's head rolls.

In fact I'll bet the most disturbed folks are posting in this thread right now.

I'd put this one in the category of a game we shouldn't have let get away, but it happens sometimes. Likewise, I'm sure we'll have some game this year where we have no business winning it, and yet we do. Karma is the right word. I expect the team to move on to the next game and start back to their winning ways.