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RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 11:50 AM
Cabrera SS
Phillips 2nd
Votto 1st
Rolen 3rd
Gomes dh,
Bruce RF
Heisey LF
Hanigan C
Stubbs CF

Bailey p (1-2, 5.21)

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 11:54 AM
My main man Heisey getting a start. I hope he has a good game today and gets some more starts in the future

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 11:58 AM
A little information going into todays game....


Reds going for the 1st ever sweep of Cleveland on the road.

Reds have won 4 in a row against Cleveland and 12 of 15.

Reds win puts them 8 over .500, 1st time since June 30th 2006

Reds have won 18 out of their last 25

Starters improved to 10-1 with a 2.56 ERA in the last 14 games

Bailey has surrendered two runs over 16 innings in his past two starts after giving up 14 runs in his previous three, spanning 16 2-3 innings.

Homer is 2-0 with a 6.91 ERA in three starts against the Indians, failing to pitch more than five innings in any outing.

In two starts against the Reds last season, Huff was tagged for 13 runs and 16 hits in eight innings.

Joey Votto(notes) is 3 for 4 with a pair of homers against Huff while Ramon Hernandez(notes) is 4 for 5 with a home run

mth123
05-23-2010, 12:00 PM
This is my favorite line-up of the season so far. Against a RH, I'd move Rolen to 2nd, Bruce to 4th and Phillips to 6th.

Gomes power in the middle of the order really makes a lot of other things fit better. Makes me wish we had the DH in the NL (biting my tongue as I type that).

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 12:57 PM
Indians lineup today:

1 T. Crowe CF
2 S. Choo RF
3 T. Hafner DH
4 Jh. Peralta 3B
5 R. Branyan 1B
6 S. Duncan LF
7 L. Valbuena 2B
8 J. Donald SS
9 L. Marson C

Screwball
05-23-2010, 01:06 PM
Joey Votto(notes) is 3 for 4 with a pair of homers against Huff while Ramon Hernandez(notes) is 4 for 5 with a home run

And yet Hanigan gets the start (not that I'm complaining).

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 01:48 PM
~fay

The Reds play 10 more days in a row before an off day. They could use another pitcher short-term.

“Yeah, but who’s going to be sent out,” Baker said. “Who deserves to be sent out? I came under much scrutiny when I sent (Mike) Lincoln out there. But I knew I was going to be in this situation where we’re upside down.

How about a HITTER! You're not using Cairo or Janish...send one down and bring up an arm you doofus! (And I LIKE Baker *grin*)

PuffyPig
05-23-2010, 01:50 PM
And yet Hanigan gets the start (not that I'm complaining).

Day game after a night game almost always means a catching change.

And a sample size a a few AB's isn't likely meaningful.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 01:53 PM
Day game after a night game almost always means a catching change.

And a sample size a a few AB's isn't likely meaningful.

Yep. Keeping their legs, knees & backs strong is much more important that hitting matchups.

pedro
05-23-2010, 01:54 PM
Jose Lima died of a heart attack. He was 37

Homer Bailey
05-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Reds vs. Huff


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Orlando Cab 12 4 2 0 0 1 0 0 0.333 0.333 0.5 0.833
Ramon Hern 5 4 1 1 1 4 0 0 0.8 0.8 2 2.8
Brandon Phil 5 3 0 0 0 3 0 0 0.6 0.6 0.6 1.2
Jonny Gomes 5 1 0 0 1 2 0 1 0.2 0.2 0.8 1
Joey Votto 4 3 0 0 2 4 1 0 0.75 0.8 2.25 3.05
Jay Bruce 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0.25 0.4 0.5 0.9
Paul Janish 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Totals 38 16 4 1 4 14 2 3 0.421 0.45 0.895 1.345


Tribe vs. Bailey


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Travis Hafner 5 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.4 0.5 0.4 0.9
Luis Valb 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Shin-Soo 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0.5 0 0.5
Austin Kearns 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Matt LaPorta 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 0.5 0.5 1
Jhonny Peralta 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 2
Totals 17 4 0 0 0 0 5 3 0.235 0.409 0.235 0.644

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 01:57 PM
IIRC, Huff was the pitcher at the game I went to in Cleveland last season where the Reds beat him up for like six or seven runs in about five innings and ended up winning the game 7-1 (Micah was the winning pitcher). Let's hope they beat him up again! :D

nate
05-23-2010, 01:59 PM
Chat is open!

redsfandan
05-23-2010, 02:03 PM
Jose Lima died of a heart attack. He was 37
Huh. Kinda young for that.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 02:06 PM
OCab with a single up the middle!

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:07 PM
Cabrera singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:09 PM
Phillips grounds out to the pither. Cabrera goes to 2nd.

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 02:10 PM
Lucky for the Reds that Huff dropped the ball, or that would have been a 1-4-3 DP.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:11 PM
Votto pops out to short as Donald falls down struggling with the sun.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:12 PM
The sun does get pretty bad in Cleveland's ball park. During afternoon games it's as bright as can be there.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
ROLEN!!! :jump:

2-0 Reds!

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Rolen homers to left center!! 2-0 Reds.

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Wow... who ARE these guys? Sweet!

thatcoolguy_22
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
I like that Rolen guy :D

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Rolen > EE

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:13 PM
:jump: Rolen get it goin' early!

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Rolen > EE

That little ">" just doesn't seem to do that equation justice. :O)

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Gomes strikes out swinging. 2-0 Reds mid 1st.

thatcoolguy_22
05-23-2010, 02:14 PM
That little ">" just doesn't seem to do that equation justice. :O)

Rolen >> Encarnacion?

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Rolen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EE :p:

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 02:15 PM
Rolen > EE

I certainly agree overall, but lets get past that. I am very happy to see Rolen staying healthy and hitting well. (FWIW, EE has homered 4 times in his last twelve ABs.)

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 02:16 PM
I certainly agree overall, but lets get past that. I am very happy to see Rolen staying healthy and hitting well. (FWIW, EE has homered 4 times in his last twelve ABs.)

Just sayin'.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:17 PM
I'm still stunned by that Jose Lima news. 37...heart attack. wow.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Crowe walks

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Could use a DP ball here.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
My GOODNESS this is a tight zone. 3 of those balls were CLEARLY in the zone via gameday.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
Jose Lima dead at the age of 37 due to an apparent heart attack...

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:20 PM
Choo singles to right center. 1st and 2nd,

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:20 PM
This could be a long day if Ryan and Homer can't figure out the zone and work with it. It does seem tight again today. :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:20 PM
If the ump forces Bailey into the heart of the zone like he seems to be doing, this could be a short outing.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Wild pitch both runners advance.

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Double play gone

RBA
05-23-2010, 02:22 PM
We don't needs Oswalt?

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
We don't needs Oswalt?

Homer's throwing fine. Crappy zone from what I see. And now a little dribbler to score 1.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
Infield hit for Hafner on a slow ground ball to 2nd. 2-1 Reds. 1st and 3rd.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
That sucks but the zone isn't helping much. Homer needs to settle down.

Tom Servo
05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
this is going to get worse before it gets better.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:23 PM
That might be the only infield single Hafner will have for the rest of his career...

RBA
05-23-2010, 02:24 PM
Homer's throwing fine. Crappy zone from what I see.

Nope, he's missing.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:24 PM
Nope, he's missing.

thats what I'm seeing too

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Hehe, don't test the Bruce. :p:

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Peralta flies out to short right.

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 02:25 PM
No one runs on the Bruce

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Gotta respect the Cannon!

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 02:25 PM
If the ump forces Bailey into the heart of the zone like he seems to be doing, this could be a short outing.

Home plate ump is Jeff Nelson. Nelson this year has given out 8.8 walks per game (http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/stats/umpire-report/), sixth highest of any ump. I agree that he is being squeezed so far.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:26 PM
the media always points to big names using hindsight when making lists of trades that were steals.... That said, who wouldn't trade Broussard for Choo any day, everyday, all day long?

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:26 PM
Ump's not giving ANY of the black. None.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
Nice grab by Heisey

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
Good play by Heisey. :)

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
Branyan flies out to shallow left. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
Bad baserunning there. They should've been able to tag there. Well, 3rd at least. Not sure what he was doing halfway down the line there.

Cedric
05-23-2010, 02:28 PM
That first pitch to Duncan was a perfect pitch. What a terrible umpire.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:28 PM
Duncan singles to center. Tie game 2-2.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:29 PM
Darn. Single to tie it.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:29 PM
Hopefully this is like Homer's last outing where he gave up two runs in the first inning and didn't give up anything else the rest of the game.

Oy, I forgot how annoying that stupid drum is. :wall:

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:29 PM
It's pretty toughto complain about being squeezed when Homer misses to Duncan like that.

Cedric
05-23-2010, 02:30 PM
It's pretty toughto complain about being squeezed when Homer misses to Duncan like that.

Agreed. Though that first pitch non strike changes the whole at bat.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:30 PM
Valbuena flies out to center. 2-2 after 1.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:31 PM
Inning finally over. Hopefully Homer and Hanigan touch base with Bryan Price and figure out a new game plan.

Chip R
05-23-2010, 02:31 PM
the media always points to big names using hindsight when making lists of trades that were steals.... That said, who wouldn't trade Broussard for Choo any day, everyday, all day long?

Broussard was quite the darling here a few years ago.

thatcoolguy_22
05-23-2010, 02:32 PM
This could be a short outing for Homer. It seems the only pitch he can throw for a strike is a fastball.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:32 PM
It's pretty toughto complain about being squeezed when Homer misses to Duncan like that.

Disagree. When the ump won't give you the inside edge, outside edge, low in the zone or high in the zone...Homer has to adjust and still throw strikes. He may have missed his spot, but that spot has gotten a LOT smaller after seeing what the ump's calling.

RedsManRick
05-23-2010, 02:32 PM
I think I like the 93mph Homer Bailey fastball a lot more than the 95 mph one. Straight heat in the zone is not a terribly effective approach.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:34 PM
Bruce flies out to left as Duncan makes a running catch.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:34 PM
Heisey grounds out to 3rd.

RBA
05-23-2010, 02:35 PM
Reds don't think it is a tight zone as they are swinging away.

RedsManRick
05-23-2010, 02:35 PM
Strike one on Heisey was the exact same pitch Homer didn't get. I know i'm in the minority, but I really dislike the "human element" when it comes to calling balls and strikes.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:36 PM
Strike one on Heisey was the exact same pitch Homer didn't get.

I was thinking the same thing. I can live with a tight zone...and inconsistent one though....grrrrrrrrr.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:36 PM
That was a quick inning. Hanigan flies out to center as Crowe and Choo run into each other. 2-2 mid 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:36 PM
Indians try to form a platoon the hard way...slamming two OF'ers together to see if they stick.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:37 PM
Disagree. When the ump won't give you the inside edge, outside edge, low in the zone or high in the zone...Homer has to adjust and still throw strikes. He may have missed his spot, but that spot has gotten a LOT smaller after seeing what the ump's calling.

Huff doesn't seem to be having similar struggles....

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:38 PM
Huff doesn't seem to be having similar struggles....

No, he's not. And that's the problem. It's not an even strike zone.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:39 PM
Donald grounds out to Bailey.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:40 PM
Marson lines out to right.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:40 PM
No, he's not. And that's the problem. It's not an even strike zone.

Why would Huff get the edges and Homer not?

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Why would Huff get the edges and Homer not?

Because the ump has an inconsistent zone. Thus my complaint. Small zone is fine...uneven is another thing.

RedsManRick
05-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Why would Huff get the edges and Homer not?

Because umpires aren't perfect and particularly struggle on the outside corners? It doesn't have to a plot.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Because the ump has an inconsistent zone. Thus my complaint. Small zone is fine...uneven is another thing.

what you're alleging is pretty consistent though.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Because umpires aren't perfect? It doesn't have to a plot.

Oh, sorry. I wasn't trying to imply that the ump was doing it on purpose.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:43 PM
Crowe strikes out swinging. 2-2 after 2.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:43 PM
Homer made some adjustments. The Indians seemed to be swinging more there but that's a much better inning.

mth123
05-23-2010, 02:44 PM
Homer takes an inning to get rolling. The second he's usually facing bottom of the order, by the third he's in his groove if he's going to find it. Lots of pitchers in baseball history had first inning woes. Coming out and mowing down the other team's best guys right out of the gate is one of the hardest things about starting. If Tom Seaver's career was made up of just the first innings, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame.

If Homer struggles in the third when the top of the order comes back around, then its time to worry IMO.

RBA
05-23-2010, 02:45 PM
I have the MLB.tv game on mute, but when the commercial comes on, the sound comes back on.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:45 PM
Because umpires aren't perfect and particularly struggle on the outside corners? It doesn't have to a plot.

I think fans tend to see their guy get pinched. Heck we've blamed his poor location on a hit on Homer being pinched... see what I'm getting at? Huff has thrown 76% strikes through 2 innings. That's a weird thing to do if blue has a shifty zone IMHO.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:45 PM
what you're alleging is pretty consistent though.

When an ump calls one pitch a ball and another pitch in the exact same spot a strike...that's inconsistent. And he's done it several times already. No conspiracy...just poor umpiring.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:46 PM
Stubbs pops out to 2nd.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:46 PM
With this sun, nobody had better dog it to first this afternoon....

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:48 PM
Cabrera grounds out to short.2 outs.

mth123
05-23-2010, 02:49 PM
OK Phillips. Its a lefty. Time to be super.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:50 PM
Phillips doubles off the wall in right center.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:50 PM
Wow, I thought that was out of the ballpark! There really isn't any wind there today. :eek:

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:50 PM
Votto hit by the pitch

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
Stop hitting Joey!! :rant: (LOL that they now have to face Rolen though :lol: )

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
I think fans tend to see their guy get pinched. Heck we've blamed his poor location on a hit on Homer being pinched... see what I'm getting at? Huff has thrown 76% strikes through 2 innings. That's a weird thing to do if blue has a shifty zone IMHO.

Check out gameday. Compare these locations.

pitch 1 to Cabrera
pitch 1 to Gomes
pitches 1,3,5 to Crowe
pitch 1 to Duncan

pitch 3 to Bruce
pitch 1 to Heisey
pitch 2 to Hanigan

pitch 1 to Phillips
pitch 1 to Rolen

Those explain my point. But back to the game....Phillips with a 2 bagger!

thatcoolguy_22
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
anyone think Phillips could have made it to 3rd? running awfully slow there...

mth123
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
anyone think Phillips could have made it to 3rd? running awfully slow there...

Yep. He was in his trot.

guttle11
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
That ball might have been gone if Phillips had been hustling...

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:52 PM
Rolen hit it hard but flies out to the warning track in left. 2-2 mid 3rd.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:52 PM
That was SO close to another HR from Scott! Rats.

thatcoolguy_22
05-23-2010, 02:53 PM
this is a big inning for Homer, Choo, Hafner and Perralta.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Choo is fast becoming one of my least favorite players.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Boy, that sure carried.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Choo triples off the wall in left. Heisey leapt for it but it was over his glove.

mth123
05-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Boy, that sure carried.

Looked routine off the bat.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:56 PM
Looked routine off the bat.

That's what I was thinking too. Where was that 'carry' on Phillips & Rolens' blasts last inning. *sigh*

Brutus
05-23-2010, 02:57 PM
This one has the feeling of a loss today. Homer just doesn't have it.

jojo
05-23-2010, 02:57 PM
Check out gameday. Compare these locations.

pitch 1 to Cabrera
pitch 1 to Gomes
pitches 1,3,5 to Crowe
pitch 1 to Duncan

pitch 3 to Bruce
pitch 1 to Heisey
pitch 2 to Hanigan

pitch 1 to Phillips
pitch 1 to Rolen

Those explain my point. But back to the game....Phillips with a 2 bagger!

I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
Choobacca

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
This one has the feeling of a loss today. Homer just doesn't have it.

Coo is a tough hitter...

Huff isn't a good pitcher... We have the bats to keep up...

I'm not worried. :cool:

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
Hafner flies out to shallow left.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Don't worry about it. It's not like it matters anyway. Just irritating.

Ron Madden
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
This one has the feeling of a loss today. Homer just doesn't have it.

Oh Yee of little faith.

;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:58 PM
Trainer coming out.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 02:59 PM
Baker and the trainer out to see Bailey

Brutus
05-23-2010, 02:59 PM
Coo is a tough hitter...

Huff isn't a good pitcher... We have the bats to keep up...

I'm not worried. :cool:

Huff not being a good pitcher is almost my cause for concern. Not making him work too much outside of a few plate appearances.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 02:59 PM
This is not good. He is coming out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 02:59 PM
Homer's done. Owings coming in.

Did anybody see anything out of sorts?

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
Elbow.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
They just showed him shake his arm after getting the ball back.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
Yikes, this doesn't look good. He doesn't look happy about it either. Hopefully Micah has his good stuff today.

Joseph
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
Uh oh....

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
Even assuming that Choo scores this inning, 3 aint gonna do it.....

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:00 PM
Homer is out... Owings coming on....

Homer was shaking and twisting his throwing arm

RedsManRick
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
As hot as it is today, it's possible he just cramped up.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
Homer is out... Owings coming on....

Homer was shaking and twisting his throwing arm

Crap. I hope it's nothing serious. Cramping? *crosses fingers*

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
Definatley was his arm, that's not good.

Not good for an already dead bullpen either.

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
Maybe the 60 IP jump from 2008 to 2009 has something to do with this.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
Huff not being a good pitcher is almost my cause for concern. Not making him work too much outside of a few plate appearances.


If this was a few years ago with the likes of Dunn, JR, AK, EE in the lineup I'd be saying the same thing... But of course none of those guys are here anymore for a reason...

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:01 PM
I hope Micah's got more than few innings in him today. :eek:

Why is FSN staying on Micah instead of going to commercial? :confused:

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:02 PM
Owings should be able to eat innings and push the pen back

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:03 PM
How happy is everyone now that Micah didn't finish the game last night??! :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Marty & Jeff just said that it was Phillips who signaled to the dugout about Homer.

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Maybe a Carlos Fisher sighting today. And then maybe gome tomorrow for another arm.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Owings should be able to get into the 6/7th inning... Also have Fisher that hasn't picked a ball up in weeks it seems.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Owings should be able to eat innings and push the pen back
The problem is they don't want to use Masset or Cordero.

The leaves Owings (who's now in), Fisher, DRH, Lincoln, and Rhodes.

This one is going to be tough to win.

kaldaniels
05-23-2010, 03:04 PM
Maybe the 60 IP jump from 2008 to 2009 has something to do with this.

Do you even know what "this" is?

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:04 PM
Homer's velocity didn't drop or anything. Odd. If anybody hears anything, please relay it.

guttle11
05-23-2010, 03:05 PM
I'd take the loss if necessary, pitch Owings until his arm falls off. And then pitch Fisher until his arm falls off. And then get LeCure to replace Homer. DL him now.

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:06 PM
Do you even know what "this" is?

Nope, but if its an arm problem the inning jump could be involved.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:06 PM
I'd take the loss if necessary, pitch Owings until his arm falls off. And then pitch Fisher until his arm falls off. And then get LeCure to replace Homer. DL him now.

Let's not jump the gun now. How about we wait to see what's even wrong first.

Tommyjohn25
05-23-2010, 03:07 PM
Maybe the 60 IP jump from 2008 to 2009 has something to do with this.

I'm more inclined to think that he's a young power pitcher, and the odds are he, like many others, are going to suffer injury sooner or later.

Brutus
05-23-2010, 03:07 PM
Nope, but if its an arm problem the inning jumo could be involved.

A year later? Doubtful.

Injuries happen. Throwing the baseball is unnatural. All it takes is one pitch to sustain an injury. Because he throw a bunch of innings last year you're saying that caused an injury today? That's quite a leap.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:07 PM
Doc K is licking his lips...

guttle11
05-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Let's not jump the gun now. How about we wait to see what's even wrong first.

If it's the arm, DL him. Starting LeCure or Maloney for two weeks won't make or break the season. Rushing Homer back and maybe losing him for 2 months could.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Peralta walks.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Too bad Micah won't get a few PAs during this outing today.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:08 PM
well at least the infield will back up...

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:09 PM
If it's the arm, DL him. Starting LeCure or Maloney for two weeks won't make or break the season. Rushing Homer back and maybe losing him for 2 months could.

And if it's just cramping...we're worrying about nothing. I agree that if he's injured...DL him...and that's what they'll do.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Branyan sac fly to center. 3-2 Indians.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Flyout to Stubbs at the track. Sac fly scores Choo. 3-2 Indians.

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
A year later? Doubtful.

Injuries happen. Throwing the baseball is unnatural. All it takes is one pitch to sustain an injury. Because he throw a bunch of innings last year you're saying that caused an injury today? That's quite a leap.

They show up the following year. That's basically what the 30 IP increase at a time theory points to.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Are they playing video game noises in the ballpark every time an Indian scores a run??! :eek:

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Don't think Duncan is up there to bunt....

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 03:11 PM
Who gets called up if he goes on the DL?

Brutus
05-23-2010, 03:11 PM
They show up the following year. That's basically what the 30 IP increase at a time theory points to.

The theory has absolutely very little behind it. It's a stretch. Guys like Tom Verducci have provided nothing that points to causation.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:11 PM
Too bad Micah won't get a few PAs during this outing today.

I was thinking "why ever not?" and then the DL hit me. :O) Damn AL rules.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:11 PM
Duncan aint up there to walk either... :P

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Who gets called up if he goes on the DL?

I've seen LeCure mentioned...but I think it'd have to be Maloney.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:13 PM
Lord, that was foul but it was a long and HIGH foul!

guttle11
05-23-2010, 03:13 PM
And if it's just cramping...we're worrying about nothing. I agree that if he's injured...DL him...and that's what they'll do.

I'd DL him with cramping, too. With the off days he'd miss two starts if nothing is really injured. LeCure would be fine for 2 starts.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Duncan walks.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Another walk.

Ron Madden
05-23-2010, 03:14 PM
I've seen LeCure mentioned...but I think it'd have to be Maloney.

Why? Sam LeCure has done a great job this year.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Duncan aint up there to walk either... :P

NOT

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:15 PM
Memo to Micah: The strike zone sucks today but you still gotta at least be close.

Tommyjohn25
05-23-2010, 03:15 PM
Small strike zone today...

Tom Servo
05-23-2010, 03:15 PM
Owings can't find the strike zone. Not good.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:16 PM
Owings is way off with his control. 4 pitch walk. Bases loaded.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:16 PM
When the strike zone is the size of a postage stamp, that makes it a little harder.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:16 PM
what do ya think Price is saying to Micah?

Homer Bailey
05-23-2010, 03:16 PM
Some of you Janish lovers may get your wish today. Only we may not see him at SS. Or at 3B. Or at 2B. Or at 1B. Or at C.

But we may see him in the infield....

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:16 PM
Why? Sam LeCure has done a great job this year.

So has Maloney. I just think he's earned the next shot. He's been better for a longer stretch of time going back to last year too. I'd be fine with either...but I'd be even better if Homer was fine.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Owings has already thrown 25 pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Some of you Janish lovers may get your wish today. Only we may not see him at SS. Or at 3B. Or at 2B. Or at 1B. Or at C.

But we may see him in the infield....

*shudders*

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Thank you.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Inning finally over as Donald fouls out to 3rd. 3-2 Indians after 3.

HeatherC1212
05-23-2010, 03:18 PM
FINALLY. That was scary. Hopefully Micah gets it on track for the next inning.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:18 PM
Who gets called up if he goes on the DL?
Honestly, I'd call a reliever up for four days and then send him down and call up the starter when he's need it.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:19 PM
what do ya think Price is saying to Micah?
Stop sucking?

TheNext44
05-23-2010, 03:19 PM
Owings looks hurt too. Was rubbing his right shoulder as he walked off the mound.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Gomes fouls out to 1st.

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Honestly, I'd call a reliever up for four days and then send him down and call up the starter when he's need it.

Best Idea. Del Rosario now. Fisher down and Lecure up when Homer's turn comes up. I might do it anyway just to supplement the pen and to be cautious with Homer. If he turns out to be healthy, the rest won't hurt him.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:21 PM
Owings looks hurt too. Was rubbing his right shoulder as he walked off the mound.

With his warm ups, I think he threw about 70 pitches that inning.... :cool:

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Bruce grounds out to 1st.

11larkin11
05-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Wood, Maloney, and Lecure are all on the 40 man. I'd still have to throw my hat into Wood's ring. I think he has the best stuff, and while he hasn't been great, hes been alright. He's on Homer's schedule, so todays start might have a bearing on who gets the call. If he gets pulled early it may be an indication. Remember, he was VERY close to winning the job out of ST.

Edit: And right after this I look and hes thrown one inning with 3 Ks, including Curtis Granderson :)

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Owings looks hurt too. Was rubbing his right shoulder as he walked off the mound.

I think it had something to do with the balls not being rubbed up properly.

Hoosier Red
05-23-2010, 03:24 PM
I think it had something to do with the balls not being rubbed up properly.

No. He was clearly rubbing his shoulder. :devil::devil:

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:24 PM
Heisey strikes out. 3-2 Indians mid 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:25 PM
hehe

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 03:25 PM
No. He was clearly rubbing his shoulder. :devil::devil:

Rep points!

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:26 PM
Tightness in his right shoulder.

Evaluated by Kremcheck tomorrow.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:26 PM
Homer out with a tight right shoulder

Brutus
05-23-2010, 03:27 PM
I'll be mildly, cautiously optimistic until I hear the dreaded words, "Dr. James Andrews," and then all bets are off.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:28 PM
Some exploratory surgery is required... *rubbing hands together while profiting an evil laughter*

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:28 PM
Marson flies out to center.

guttle11
05-23-2010, 03:28 PM
Homer out with a tight right shoulder

Yep, DL him. Please.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:29 PM
Tightness in his right shoulder.

Evaluated by Kremcheck tomorrow.
Ru Roh.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:29 PM
Crowe strikes out swinging.

mbgrayson
05-23-2010, 03:30 PM
Owings looks hurt too. Was rubbing his right shoulder as he walked off the mound.

Owings pitched on May 7th, then not again till the 19th for 1 inning, then the 22nd (yesterday) for one inning. Now Dusty is forced to asked Owings to pitch again. The only other time Owings pitched on back to back days was May 1st and 2nd, each for 1 inning. He is supposed to be the long man but has been used in short relief this last week.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:31 PM
4 pitch walk to Choo

redsfan1966
05-23-2010, 03:31 PM
Nice sequence of scared pitching to Choo...yeah, hes the best the Indians have..but he aint Hank Aaron...

Homer Bailey
05-23-2010, 03:31 PM
Throw strikes Micah. Please.

Degenerate39
05-23-2010, 03:32 PM
4 pitch walk to Choo

This should've happened alot more this series

redsfan1966
05-23-2010, 03:32 PM
lame scoreboard joke on Choo's name

RedsManRick
05-23-2010, 03:32 PM
Starting to wonder if Owings has tightness in his shoulder too.... shaking his arm constantly and leaving everything 3 feet wide...

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:33 PM
Starting to wonder if Owings has tightness in his shoulder too.... shaking his arm constantly and leaving everything 3 feet wide...
I think Micah has a case of not be a very good pitcher. Quite different.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:34 PM
Hafner fouls out to 3rd. 3-2 Indians after 4.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:37 PM
Why can't we hit Huff?

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:37 PM
Hanigan flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:38 PM
Stubbs singles to left.

Joseph
05-23-2010, 03:40 PM
We need a run here. C'mon OCab!

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:40 PM
Stubbs caught stealing

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:41 PM
Cabrera walks

TheNext44
05-23-2010, 03:43 PM
Stubbs caught stealing

Most likely a botched hit and run. Cabrera swung and missed at a ball way outside the strike zone. And it wasn't even close.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:43 PM
Stubbs caught stealing

I missed it. Bad jump or perfect throw?

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:44 PM
I missed it. Bad jump or perfect throw?
Horrible jump.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:44 PM
Phillips flies out to right. 3-2 Indians mid 5th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Astros plate 4 in the 1st against the Rays and still have 2 on. Playing for Lima?

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Horrible jump.

Was it a hit and run....

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Was it a hit and run....
Might have been, Cabrera swung through it.

/John Fay impression.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:47 PM
Moralas HR for LAA. LAA 1 STL 0

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:47 PM
Peralta flies out to the warning track in left.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:48 PM
the ball is carrying to left but not so well to right or center...

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Branyan flies to right. Bruce lost the ball in the sun and Branyan goes to 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Bruce lost it in the sun or high sky. Crap. Almost hit him.

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:49 PM
OMG that burnt some rods and cones

_Sir_Charles_
05-23-2010, 03:50 PM
Ruled a double.

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:50 PM
Bruce was lucky he didn't come away with a shiner or broken nose on that one....

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:51 PM
Bruce was lucky he didn't come away with a shiner or broken nose on that one....

Can ya imagine if it had hit him in the noggin and bounced over the wall?

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Can ya imagine if it had hit him in the noggin and bounced over the wall?

That would be a heck of a bounce and one hard head.

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:52 PM
They are giving Branyan a double on that play?

mth123
05-23-2010, 03:53 PM
They are giving Branyan a double on that play?

Phillips would have had a single.

Homer Bailey
05-23-2010, 03:53 PM
They are giving Branyan a double on that play?

If the fielder doesn't touch it, it's a hit.

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:53 PM
Phillips would have had a single.
No Branyan definatley wasn't hustling lol.

CTA513
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Phillips would have had a single.


:ughmamoru

reds44
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
How many pitches for Owings?

Reds Fanatic
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Duncan walks. The 5th walk for Owings

RedsMan3203
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
53 pitches

jojo
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
No Branyan definatley wasn't hustling lol.

That actually is as fast as Branyan can run. :cool:

Homer Bailey
05-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Seems like everyone of Owings pitches where Hanigan is set up away backs up over the plate and misses inside. Dude has zero control today.