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Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:46 PM
Garret Jones hits a foul grand slam. This could be bad.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:46 PM
Masset is plain awful. He's overthrowing and has no idea where the ball's going. McCutcheon wasn't getting around on any of his pitches but Masset walks him with pitches way out of the strike zone including a wild one. Ugly

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Garret Jones hits a foul grand slam. This could be bad.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO lol

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Throw him one of those screwballs.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
We need Burton bad

Brutus
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
I'm honestly amazed that anyone who watches the games would still argue for Cabrera. His D is not nearly as bad as this board makes it out to be, and he has been very good for this offense. OPS is not the only important stat on offense. The guy drives in runs, hits for average (especially since moving to leadoff). Add in the leadership and clubhouse presence he brings.

I'm honestly amazed anyone watching can't see Cabrera has some of the worst range in baseball. Heck, the scorers that chart the balls for UZR can apparently see it.

I like Cabrera's intangibles. And I believe there's a place for those in the game of baseball. But they don't make up for an incredible lack of range.

And to the person that mentioned preconceived notions - I was actually in favor of Cabrera and based on the past performances defensively, was glad he signed. Even if he were a backup, I like having him on the team. But I believe his range is absolutely atrocious. Worst I've seen for the Reds.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
We need Burton bad
:eek:

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
He's a reliever. This is what they do.

That ball was killed.

To me... Its gotta click... at some point... I guess i'm like Dusty more then I thought.... I keep running him out there.... (within reason, no injury) until WJ tells me to stop or he goes down for some rehab.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
The good news is, if we get out of this, we get Coco in the ninth!

Yeah!

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
K!!!!!!!!!!

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
THE SCREWBALL.


Thank you Danny.

Kc61
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
We need Burton bad

Burton hasn't been Burton for two years.

Maybe Weathers wasn't such a bad guy to have around.

DRH with a big K there.

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!

Still want Masset in there pitching....

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
So we're not the only ones leaving folks on

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm honestly amazed anyone watching can't see Cabrera has some of the worst range in baseball. Heck, the scorers that chart the balls for UZR can apparently see it.

I like Cabrera's intangibles. And I believe there's a place for those in the game of baseball. But they don't make up for an incredible lack of range.

And to the person that mentioned preconceived notions - I was actually in favor of Cabrera and based on the past performances defensively, was glad he signed. Even if he were a backup, I like having him on the team. But I believe his range is absolutely atrocious. Worst I've seen for the Reds.

Isn't his UZR down to like zero now?

Edit: He's got a -2.3 UZR/150, so no, the scorers don't see what you are seeing.

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 09:50 PM
Call Weathers immediately and demote Masset to the 6th inning duty. I agree we have to have him but he's not able to play the set-up role now.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:50 PM
Burton hasn't been Burton for two years.



We need him to be Burton again

pedro
05-26-2010, 09:51 PM
I'm honestly amazed anyone watching can't see Cabrera has some of the worst range in baseball. Heck, the scorers that chart the balls for UZR can apparently see it.

I like Cabrera's intangibles. And I believe there's a place for those in the game of baseball. But they don't make up for an incredible lack of range.

And to the person that mentioned preconceived notions - I was actually in favor of Cabrera and based on the past performances defensively, was glad he signed. Even if he were a backup, I like having him on the team. But I believe his range is absolutely atrocious. Worst I've seen for the Reds.

His range is not good. But range alone does not make a good defender. EE has better range at 3B than Rolen but that doesn't mean he's a better defensive player than Rolen. (I am in no way saying that Cabrera is better defensively than Janish)

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:51 PM
Need more runs.

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:51 PM
Woah.... I don't think I've EVER seen DRH without a hat on..... I wasn't sure who that was!

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Heisey PH'ing for Danny

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Heisey HR!

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Heisey.

No use Henry in the 9th.

Kc61
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
We need him to be Burton again


Or trade somebody for a solid reliever. Cannot win without more bullpen depth.

Heisey!!!

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
:KABOOM: :jump:

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
DINGER! :jump: Heisey! 4-0 Redlegs

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Heisey homers to left center!! 4-0 Reds.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
I scream you scream you all scream for Heisey?

Matt700wlw
05-26-2010, 09:53 PM
:jump:

alloverjr
05-26-2010, 09:53 PM
I scream you scream you all scream for Heisey?

BOOOOOOOOOOO

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Get this kid some playing time. Sorry Mr. Gomes.

Now the big question: Will Dusty let somebody else finish the game? Somebody besides Rhodes?

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 09:54 PM
3 HR's in 25 ABS. Maybe a corner outfielder after all?

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Or trade somebody for a solid reliever. Cannot win without more bullpen depth.

Heisey!!!

Agree completely. Several people have said that there just aren't many relievers available. I don't buy that. Look to the teams near the bottom of their divisions and target their successful set-up guys. We've got the prospects to get some deals done.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:54 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOO
:lol:

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:55 PM
Cairo drilled in the back.

BOOOOOOO

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:55 PM
Cairo HBP....looked like a purpose pitch there.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:55 PM
No save opportunity for Coco...Boo hoo:cry:

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Coco & Del Rosario both warming.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Henry and Coco both warming up

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Cairo HBP....looked like a purpose pitch there.

Donnelly is a vet, if it was a purpose pitch it would of been a fastball, not breaking.

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Cairo HBP....looked like a purpose pitch there.

Looks to me like Donnelly just has no idea where the ball is going.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Knowing Dusty it'll be Coco in the 9th

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Let DRH pitch to Doumit and make him hit right handed please Dusty.

alloverjr
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
He's bringing CoCo in. Why? How about seeing what the kid has with a 4 run cushion?

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Henry in with Cordero ready just in case there's a save chance...?

If he brings in Cordero.......

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Donnelly is a vet, if it was a purpose pitch it would of been a fastball, not breaking.

89 mph fastball is what Gameday's showing.

Sea Ray
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Let DRH pitch to Doumit and make him hit right handed please Dusty.

Didn't Heisey pinch hit for DRH?

Kc61
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Knowing Dusty it'll be Coco in the 9th


I hope so. Dusty messes around with leads sometimes. Let's use Coco and nail this down. He rested yesterday.

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Didn't Heisey pinch hit for DRH?

Yep.

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
89 mph fastball is what Gameday's showing.

Sure didn't look like it, I wasn't payin attention to the speed on the TV thou.

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Wow. Coco in.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Cordero comes in.

Aaaaaand here we goooo

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Here's..... CoooooooooooooooooCoooooooooooooooooooooo

guttle11
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Can't wait for Dusty to say CoCo is being overworked. Probably on Friday.

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Think about it, people complain about Cordero and his ERA is in the 3's.

Masset's is in the 7's.

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Didn't Heisey pinch hit for DRH?

Oops. My bad.

Trying to study a bit while watching.

Kc61
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
He's bringing CoCo in. Why? How about seeing what the kid has with a 4 run cushion?

Let's have tryout camp another day.

Matt700wlw
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Coco in another non-saving situation

Brutus
05-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Isn't his UZR down to like zero now?

Edit: He's got a -2.3 UZR/150, so no, the scorers don't see what you are seeing.

Orlando Cabrera has made only 5 plays out of his zone this season, according to Fangraphs, among all qualified shortstops. Second worst in the entire majors is Cliff Pennington - who has 9.

So actually, the scorers ARE seeing what I'm seeing. He is making the routine plays but nothing else.

See here (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2010&month=0)

reds44
05-26-2010, 09:59 PM
One out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Think about it, people complain about Cordero and his ERA is in the 3's.

Masset's is in the 7's.

Really? ERA for relievers? IMO that's like their least important stat.

alloverjr
05-26-2010, 10:00 PM
Let's have tryout camp another day.

Kid's on the 25 man roster. If he's part of a tryout camp as you suggest maybe the organizations problems are deeper than some realize.

reds44
05-26-2010, 10:00 PM
Really? ERA for relievers? IMO that's like their least important stat.
Masset walks a lot of baserunners too.

Other than that he's great.

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
Why do you even get the kid up? I really can't stand Dusty.

I could protect a 4 run lead more often than not. I will be shocked if Cordero makes it through this year without a DL trip.

alloverjr
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
4 pitch walk. Closer.

reds44
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
A 4 pitch walk with a 4 run lead.

Good idea.

PuffyPig
05-26-2010, 10:02 PM
Let DRH pitch to Doumit and make him hit right handed please Dusty.

Danny was PH for by Heisey.

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 10:02 PM
A 4 pitch walk with a 4 run lead.

Good idea.

Hey, at least we're not taking a risk on a kid with great control.

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 10:02 PM
Masset walks a lot of baserunners too.

Other than that he's great.

Just to clarify...I'm not saying he's great at all. He's really struggled this year. But pointing to walks is a much better tell for a reliever IMO. As are K's. The walks are killers, but his K rate is quite impressive IIRC.

reds44
05-26-2010, 10:03 PM
Change up.

He gone

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 10:03 PM
K! 2 down.

nate
05-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Really? ERA for relievers? IMO that's like their least important stat.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7954/sthowtoff.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/sthowtoff.jpg/)

edabbs44
05-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Why do you even the kid up? I really can't stand Dusty.

I could protect a 4 run lead more often than not.

Not that I am defending this move, but isn't the consensus that Cordero is awful when coming in during the inning instead of the beginning?

If Del Rosario pitched not so good (a la Ondrusek week 1), what would the call be if he put a few guys on? And if Cordero sucks it up?

With him warmed up, I guess the move is to bring him in to start the inning. I guess.

reds44
05-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Business man special tomorrow?

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 10:05 PM
Business man special tomorrow?

Nope... Night game

RedsManRick
05-26-2010, 10:05 PM
Not that I am defending this move, but isn't the consensus that Cordero is awful when coming in during the inning instead of the beginning?

If Del Rosario pitched not so good (a la Ondrusek week 1), what would the call be if he put a few guys on? And if Cordero sucks it up?

With him warmed up, I guess the move is to bring him in to start the inning. I guess.

Again, if that's the move, why is Del Rosario warming up?

reds44
05-26-2010, 10:05 PM
Winner!

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 10:06 PM
Winner Winner chicken dinner!

CarolinaRedleg
05-26-2010, 10:06 PM
Ballgame

_Sir_Charles_
05-26-2010, 10:07 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds!!! 27 - 20. Bests last year's high-water mark. Oh yeah....FIRST PLACE! :O)

Hoosier Red
05-26-2010, 10:07 PM
Again, if that's the move, why is Del Rosario warming up?

In case it got to be an even bigger lead.
I agree with you, but I think with it being almost a save situation, Dusty probably figured it was worthwhile just to bring in Cordero to close the door.

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 10:07 PM
Agree with RMR, why's Del Rosario up? Cordero's up for the save situation, then maybe you use him because he's warm even though the save is gone. But why warm up DR?

Kc61
05-26-2010, 10:08 PM
Agree with RMR, why's Del Rosario up? Cordero's up for the save situation, then maybe you use him because he's warm even though the save is gone. But why warm up DR?

In case the Reds add runs and it's 6 or 7 zip. Then you don't need to use Coco.

Dusty handled it correctly.

RedsMan3203
05-26-2010, 10:09 PM
Now lets scoreboard watch..... I'm tired of this tied/.5 up crap. Lets go SD!

Tom Servo
05-26-2010, 10:09 PM
Nice bounceback win.

pedro
05-26-2010, 10:09 PM
Again, if that's the move, why is Del Rosario warming up?

Because relievers get their side work in all the time during games. Happens all the time. You know guys do actually throw the ball sometimes on days when they don't pitch in games. Right?

Don't let that stop you from a good rant though.

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 10:12 PM
For those with MLBtv... is this Dick Enberg announcing for the Padres?

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 10:13 PM
A. There's a significant difference between side work and warming up.

B. If Del Rosario's up because we might get to 6-0, why not use him at 4-0? What's the magic number a lead has to be if the distinction's not going to be between the save situation and the non-save situation? You can always make the case that we need CoCo here because he's the best we have. That lack of discipline on the manager's part is exactly what leads to wearing guys out.

alloverjr
05-26-2010, 10:14 PM
Because relievers get their side work in all the time during games. Happens all the time. You know guys do actually throw the ball sometimes on days when they don't pitch in games. Right?

Don't let that stop you from a good rant though.

You don't believe that in this case. No way.

SirFelixCat
05-26-2010, 10:16 PM
I guess I'm in the minority as well as to why CoCo was in there. We're in the midst of a 20 day, 20 game stretch and we still have 7 more games to go before a day off. Senseless to bring him in there in that spot. Totally senseless, imo.

Dude has already had 25 appearances in 46 games coming into tonight. Assuming this team stays in it (and I think we will), his arm is going to fall off due to the number of innings he's going to get. He's going to ride Massett and CoCo into the ground. TBPH, I have absolutely no idea why Owings is even on this team. I realize he's the 'long man', but the guy simply never gets called on due to Dusty only riding the same RP's day in and day out. He's going to destroy the back of the BP come August.

/rant


Good win though! :thumbup:

pedro
05-26-2010, 10:18 PM
You don't believe that in this case. No way.

If it was his day to throw and he hadn't gotten his reps in yet, yes. That's the way it works.

traderumor
05-26-2010, 10:19 PM
Why do you even get the kid up? I really can't stand Dusty.

I could protect a 4 run lead more often than not. I will be shocked if Cordero makes it through this year without a DL trip.I really do not understand this complaint. It was clearly going to be Del Rosario if the Reds tacked on another couple of runs, so he got both ready, but I bring in Cordero with a 4 run lead.

As for a pending DL trip, I don't see a dramatically different usage pattern this year over last, and he made it through last year healthy.

Finally, pardon Dusty if he is a bit gunshy about how big a lead he had, esp. when the bases got loaded pretty quickly in the 8th.

Kc61
05-26-2010, 10:20 PM
Dude has already had 25 appearances in 46 games coming into tonight. Assuming this team stays in it (and I think we will), his arm is going to fall off due to the number of innings he's going to get. He's going to ride Massett and CoCo into the ground. TBPH, I have absolutely no idea why Owings is even on this team. I realize he's the 'long man', but the guy simply never gets called on due to Dusty only riding the same RP's day in and day out. He's going to destroy the back of the BP come August.

/rant


Good win though! :thumbup:

With Cueto's blister he may need Owings tomorrow early.

Reds lack good relievers to substitute for Coco. It's that simple.

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 10:21 PM
No doubt we need some more relievers. I've got some hope for Del Rosario and do hope he gets some chance to work in relatively less tense spots a bit, and soon.

lollipopcurve
05-26-2010, 10:37 PM
As for a pending DL trip, I don't see a dramatically different usage pattern this year over last, and he made it through last year healthy.

It's been obvious since the end of April -- he's overusing Cordero. Cordero is on pace for 90 games and 83 innings. The last 3 seasons he's pitched in 63, 66 and 72 games, while throwing 60-70 innings. It's a quantum leap in the direction of burning the guy out. You may not see it reflected in results yet, but it's like a car driving toward a cliff.

If the Reds keep winning, and Baker does not change his BP usage patterns, the team very well may be looking to reconstitute the pen while in the midst of a playoff run.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-26-2010, 10:37 PM
For those with MLBtv... is this Dick Enberg announcing for the Padres?

Enberg is the Padres' full-time TV guy. It's his dream job, as baseball is his first love.

HeatherC1212
05-26-2010, 10:44 PM
Nice win by the Reds tonight! I'm glad Bronson pitched well and that the offense put some runs on the board for him. :)

WVRedsFan
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
Great game. The starting pitching continues to be exemplary. A couple of things stand out to me:

1. Cabrera, regardless of his lack of range, is doing the job at short. His offense may not make up for his lack of range, but it's something that is sorely needed on this team. He has 23 RBI's in 47 games--on pace to drive in 80 runs. Janish wouldn't even see 23 RBI's if he played the entire season. I'm impressed.

2, Laynce Nix is a streaky hitter and he's not in a streak right now. You either put up with the streaky hitter or you deal him for something. I think one of the reason Laynce is here is everyone knows his "streakiness." The same could be said for Gomes.

3. We've got to find some games for Chris Heisey to play the outfield. Gomes-Heisey-Nix with Nix getting less games does it for me.

4. Nick Masset is not locating the ball well and is fooling no one. Many want him out there, but when a reliever can come into a game with 2 out and faces two batters and the result is a hit and a walk, or comes in when you're tied and allows the winning home run, it's time to use him in other ways. The name of the game is winning, not strikeouts and 97 mph fastballs.

All that said, it's wonderful to be winning and actually contending. It's like a dream come true. As long as we're getting it done, I shall not critize the manager, even if he drives me nuts with his decisions sometimes. My lips are sealed.

WVRedsFan
05-26-2010, 10:47 PM
No doubt we need some more relievers. I've got some hope for Del Rosario and do hope he gets some chance to work in relatively less tense spots a bit, and soon.I think they are coming via the farm. That said, we might have to deal with what we have this year as long as we are in the race.

traderumor
05-26-2010, 10:47 PM
It's been obvious since the end of April -- he's overusing Cordero. Cordero is on pace for 90 games and 83 innings. The last 3 seasons he's pitched in 63, 66 and 72 games, while throwing 60-70 innings. It's a quantum leap in the direction of burning the guy out. You may not see it reflected in results yet, but it's like a car driving toward a cliff.

If the Reds keep winning, and Baker does not change his BP usage patterns, the team very well may be looking to reconstitute the pen while in the midst of a playoff run.May 26, 2009, 21 appearances, 21 innings
May 26, 2010, 26 appearances, 24 innings. Quantam leap?

SirFelixCat
05-26-2010, 10:51 PM
With Cueto's blister he may need Owings tomorrow early.

Reds lack good relievers to substitute for Coco. It's that simple.

This is a good point and I hadn't thought about that. Good call. But the point remains, big picture-wise, that Owings is a totally forgotten man. And his last outing, with the 5 walks, I can't really fauly Micah simply due to the lack of work.

Dusty, in general, is misusing the BP. It is as simple as that. I understand that he only has a few guys he's comfortable with, but he can't just use those guys only and run them into the ground and totally ignore others.

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
Agree with Sir Felix about Owings. This bullpen's too thin to afford a long man, and with the starters pitching as well as they have, there's not that much need. I'd be working Owings toward being able to pitch an inning every other day.

SirFelixCat
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
May 26, 2009, 21 appearances, 21 innings
May 26, 2010, 26 appearances, 24 innings. Quantam leap?

I think the point being made is that a lot of us expect the Reds to contend most, if not all, of the season, therefore, CoCo is going to get a ton of work as the season goes on. He can't continue the pace he's on.

traderumor
05-26-2010, 11:03 PM
I think the point being made is that a lot of us expect the Reds to contend most, if not all, of the season, therefore, CoCo is going to get a ton of work as the season goes on. He can't continue the pace he's on.Except everyone knows that you can't use a simple straight line extrapolation method and claim overuse. I don't think that the Reds were so bad the last two years that they did not get normal use out of their closer. As I just demonstrated, his usage pattern isn't much different last year than this, the team is in a very similar place, thus I imagine the seasons will work out pretty similar for the closer.

SirFelixCat
05-26-2010, 11:05 PM
Except everyone knows that you can't use a simple straight line extrapolation method and claim overuse. I don't think that the Reds were so bad the last two years that they did not get normal use out of their closer. As I just demonstrated, his usage pattern isn't much different last year than this, the team is in a very similar place, thus I imagine the seasons will work out pretty similar for the closer.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree about that and using your closer in a non-save situation in the midst of a 20 in 20 stretch when another arm is warm already.

HokieRed
05-26-2010, 11:05 PM
5 more appearances in just a little over a quarter of the season translates into 15-20 more appearance for the season, which might well be construed as a signficant increase in workload, if not perhaps a quantum leap.

traderumor
05-26-2010, 11:08 PM
I guess we'll just agree to disagree about that and using your closer in a non-save situation in the midst of a 20 in 20 stretch when another arm is warm already.You mean that rookie? In a 4-0 game? When the bases were just loaded the previous inning? After you just watched your team lose a 9-3 lead in the 9th? As flukey as that was, can't say that I'd bring in a rookie there, even against the Pirates, all things considered. And "non-save situation" is meaningless.

traderumor
05-26-2010, 11:11 PM
5 more appearances in just a little over a quarter of the season translates into 15-20 more appearance for the season, which might well be construed as a signficant increase in workload, if not perhaps a quantum leap.Again, straight line extrapolation isn't going to work here any better than it does with homers, RBI and other things that come in spurts. Closer appearances is certainly not a straight line, no matter what the team's record.

pedro
05-26-2010, 11:13 PM
5 more appearances in just a little over a quarter of the season translates into 15-20 more appearance for the season, which might well be construed as a signficant increase in workload, if not perhaps a quantum leap.

It's a baseball season not a math equation. Once the Reds have some more dependable secondary options available (Burton, Massett etc) then they can ease up on Cordero. Unfortunately, they don't right now and Dusty has to ride his horse a little harder than even he would probably like.

SirFelixCat
05-26-2010, 11:14 PM
Looking at his splits for the last 2 seasons, he had 43 appearances in the 1st half in 2008 and 32 in 2009. Also, in the 2nd half of 2008, he was miserable, seeing a huge jump in every single category against him ( BAA, OPSA and a difference from tOPS+ from 72 in the 1st half to 139 in the 2nd half, just to name a few). This didn't happen in 2009 when he had significantly fewer appearances in the first half of the season.

This tells me that he simply got worn down from overuse. We are going to seriously need him in the 2nd half this season and I just don't want him reverting back to how he finished 2008. That's all I'm saying.

Homer Bailey
05-26-2010, 11:29 PM
Enberg is the Padres' full-time TV guy. It's his dream job, as baseball is his first love.

I had NO idea. I can't believe that. Enberg is awesome.

Will M
05-26-2010, 11:57 PM
the Reds were up 3-0 in the 8th. the Pirates had 2 men on with 2 outs. i asked my wife to predict the final score. she said "Pirates win 4-3". i told her she would fit right in on RedsZone.

reds44
05-27-2010, 12:27 AM
For those with MLBtv... is this Dick Enberg announcing for the Padres?
Not sure if anybody answered this yet, but yes it is.

He makes me sleepy.

VR
05-27-2010, 12:37 AM
Not sure if anybody answered this yet, but yes it is.

He makes me sleepy.

I love Enberg as a baseball announcer.

Pads/Cards tied in the bottom of the 8th...0-0

VR
05-27-2010, 12:39 AM
Stairs doubles in a run 1-0 Pads.

SirFelixCat
05-27-2010, 12:40 AM
Go Pads! Big hit for Stairs and the Pads there!

SirFelixCat
05-27-2010, 12:55 AM
Boooooo!

VR
05-27-2010, 12:55 AM
Well fudge, Cards tie it off Bell.

CTA513
05-27-2010, 01:44 AM
Cardinals just had runners at 1st & 3rd with 0 outs and hit into a fielders choice double play.

Runner out at home and then the runner that was on 1st was thrown out at 3rd for out #2.

reds44
05-27-2010, 03:20 AM
Boooooo!
lol


BOOOOOOOOOOOO

MississippiRed
05-27-2010, 08:23 AM
Padres beat the Cards 2 to 1 in 13. So that's 1 to 0 and 2 to 1 lately for them. Maybe it's their offense that sucks, not the Reds!

lollipopcurve
05-27-2010, 08:54 AM
Again, straight line extrapolation isn't going to work here any better than it does with homers, RBI and other things that come in spurts. Closer appearances is certainly not a straight line, no matter what the team's record.

This makes no sense. Cordero isn't pitching in a lot of games because he's "hot." He's pitching in a lot of games -- at a 90-game pace -- because Baker is using him in ALL save situations and some non-save situations. As long as the Reds continue to play a lot of close ballgames, including more games with late leads than they have in the past, there is no reason to think Baker will change his strategy.

HokieRed
05-27-2010, 09:18 AM
Might be wise to extend Baker so as to save Cordero.

LincolnparkRed
05-27-2010, 09:33 AM
Might be wise to extend Baker so as to save Cordero.

take that back

dusty always plays for today, that is just his mo dude

_Sir_Charles_
05-27-2010, 09:36 AM
Agree with Sir Felix about Owings. This bullpen's too thin to afford a long man, and with the starters pitching as well as they have, there's not that much need. I'd be working Owings toward being able to pitch an inning every other day.

I think you have to have a long man. Period. But, that being said, I think for now we should add an extra reliever. We've got Cairo & Janish on the bench just sitting there not really being used at all. Send one down and bring up an extra arm. At least during this long run of no days off.

HokieRed
05-27-2010, 11:02 AM
take that back

dusty always plays for today, that is just his mo dude


Unfortunately when you manage a pitching staff, there's also some inevitable element on thinking about tomorrow--and August 15.

Sea Ray
05-27-2010, 12:57 PM
I think you have to have a long man. Period. But, that being said, I think for now we should add an extra reliever. We've got Cairo & Janish on the bench just sitting there not really being used at all. Send one down and bring up an extra arm. At least during this long run of no days off.

No way they can add a reliever right now. As it is they have 8 relievers and they need a starter by tomorrow night. Thus if you send Janish out to bring in tomorrow's starter, who do you send out to get this extra reliever you're requesting?

MississippiRed
05-27-2010, 01:38 PM
When your starters are pitching as well as ours have been, then you should have fewer relievers, not more. Either be ready to pitch del Rosario, Fisher, Lincoln, and Owings or get some more in here. Another bench bat would be good.

traderumor
05-27-2010, 02:43 PM
This makes no sense. Cordero isn't pitching in a lot of games because he's "hot." He's pitching in a lot of games -- at a 90-game pace -- because Baker is using him in ALL save situations and some non-save situations. As long as the Reds continue to play a lot of close ballgames, including more games with late leads than they have in the past, there is no reason to think Baker will change his strategy.

What doesn't make sense? That you can't take the number of appearances for a reliever in May and multiply by 4 to come up with appearances for the season? Closers appear in bunches, thus he could go a week without an appearance at any time. As Pedro said, this is a baseball season, not a math equation.

Also, Rhodes wasn't available last night because of a rash of appearances. But certainly Dusty won't be forced to do the same thing with Cordero when needed. He'll just keep running him out there until his arm falls off. His appearances may end up being higher this year, but I think it is premature to predict 90 appearances and a DL stint based on usage in 25% of the season.