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texasdave
05-26-2010, 05:07 PM
Orlando Cabrera ss
Miguel Cairo 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Laynce Nix lf
Drew Stubbs cf
Ryan Hanigan c
Bronson Arroyo p

Dusty turns to Miguel Cairo to get the Reds back on their good foot. He doesn't hit. He doesn't get on base. He has no power. Let's put him up near the top of the lineup. Makes sense to Dusty.

Amazing. I know it is a small sample size but Joey Votto's stats against Ohlendorf (Pirate's starter tonight) are as follows:

9 PA 7 AB 4 H 1 2B 1 3B 1 HR 1 RBI 2 BB 0 K .571/.667/1.429/2.095

Here is every at-bat Joey has had against Ohlendorf:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/pvb.cgi?n2=vottojo01&n1=ohlenro01

One of his three outs was a flyout to deep CF/LF, meaning he probably just missed another extra base hit.

From CNNSI preview of the game:
Ohlendorf is 1-1 with a 3.94 ERA in three starts versus Cincinnati, and he'll certainly want to be careful pitching to Joey Votto . The Reds first baseman, batting .400 over his last nine games, has hit for the cycle in seven career at-bats against Ohlendorf.

LOL, Dusty you jokester you. No, Ohlendorf won't have to be careful pitching to Joey Votto. Dusty took care of that in order to get some Veteran Crustiness (i.e. Miguel Cairo) into the lineup.

So you take out your hot cleanup stick, who has had mega-success against the other team's starter, to stick Miguel Cairo in the 2-spot.

I sure hope it works out, but only Dusty would think that is a good idea.




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GIDP
05-26-2010, 05:12 PM
He can sac bunt Cabrera over man. Thats all that matters out of the 2 hole. Making good positive outs.

RedLegsToday
05-26-2010, 05:19 PM
Whatever happened to the Ron Coomer's of the world? The guys who could fake it defensively at all 4 corners and could give you enough offense to not be embarrassing? Now all there seems to be is utility infielders who can't hit anything.

RedLegsToday
05-26-2010, 05:20 PM
Seriously, the more I think about it the more I think the Reds FO should be embarrassed that we are running Miguel Cairo out to 1b as a backup to one of the best hitters in the league.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 05:29 PM
Maybe Joey is hurt. That is the only logical explanation. And even if he was hurt, I would probably go with Sutton over Cairo. If Sutton can make it to the park by game time.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 05:31 PM
Joey apparently needs a day off and has a stiff neck. Im fine with the guy taking a day off. Cairo being his back up is the huge issue.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 05:31 PM
Whatever happened to the Ron Coomer's of the world? The guys who could fake it defensively at all 4 corners and could give you enough offense to not be embarrassing? Now all there seems to be is utility infielders who can't hit anything.

And it's not like Cairo has a glove because he doesn't. I would have loved to been in on that discussion when they decided that Cairo would come north with the team at the end of spring training.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 05:32 PM
Joey apparently needs a day off and has a stiff neck. Im fine with the guy taking a day off. Cairo being his back up is the huge issue.

That was the only way this thing made sense. If Votto was hurt. Still, Miguel Cairo?

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 06:06 PM
Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Dusty turns to Miguel Cairo to get the Reds back on their good foot. He doesn't hit. He doesn't get on base. He has no power. Let's put him up near the top of the lineup. Makes sense to Dusty.



Unbelievable.

And, he won't even use Del Rosario. 1 batter so far. I hope he uses him today.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 06:32 PM
Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty

And, bat Hanigan 2nd and Cairo 9th (since he's the worst hitter on the team, even worse than Arroyo).

FlyerFanatic
05-26-2010, 06:32 PM
guess i'll skip out on tonights game.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 06:33 PM
Well, this is nothing but Walt Jockety's fault.

Baker can't play Cairo if you don't put Cairo on the roster.

Hurry up and get Sutton or Castillo up here and DFA Cairo.

(Or, whoever's going to pitch for Homer on Friday, he'll take Cairo's place)

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 06:46 PM
He can sac bunt Cabrera over man. Thats all that matters out of the 2 hole. Making good positive outs.

Since you brought that up, just thought I'd post that the REDS are at the NL average (33%) for "making positive outs". The Top-3 are the Padres, Mets and Giants at 43%, 42% and 40%, respectively.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2010-situational-batting.shtml

They are dead last in getting runners home from 3rd and less than 2 outs, though. I've always attributed that stat situation to the Manager. Not surprised that we're the worst at that since Duhsty is the Manager. Odd, because Roger Craig, his mentor, was excellent at it.

sivman17
05-26-2010, 06:47 PM
Hernandez should be playing first, not Cairo.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 06:48 PM
Arroyo's pitched well 5 starts in a row. I expect another well-pitched game from him.

BTW, Cabrera's done great from the #1 hole so far this season...hitting over .300 w/ an OBP of almost .340.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 06:50 PM
Phillips has been hitting something luike .860 OPS in the 2 hole as well.

Jack Burton
05-26-2010, 07:08 PM
Dusty found his new Neifi

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 07:15 PM
We desperately need to win these last 2 games.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 07:19 PM
We desperately need to win these last 2 games.

I agree.

cbowen2112
05-26-2010, 07:29 PM
Why couldn't Sutton play 1st tonight? Or as earlier stated Hernandez...Or Gomes....or Owings. Heck, anybody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 07:30 PM
Drew Sutton is on the team.

All Sutton has done is hit better than any player in Louisville over the last dozen games.

All Sutton has ever done his whole minor and major league careers is to get himself on base. Sutton is the perfect #2 hitter with a career OBP in the .350's+.

The REDS used Sutton exclusively at First Base the last week so he could give Votto a rest.

So, what does Dusty do? Puts the COMPLETELY INEPT Miguel Cairo at first base and bats him in the #2 hole.

I can't wait until Baker is gone.

cbowen2112
05-26-2010, 07:31 PM
Drew Sutton is on the team.

All Sutton has done is hit better than any player in Louisville over the last dozen games.

All Sutton has ever done his whole minor and major league careers is to get himself on base. Sutton is the perfect #2 hitter with a career OBP in the .350's+.

The REDS used Sutton exclusively at First Base the last week so he could give Votto a rest.

So, what does Dusty do? Puts the COMPLETELY INEPT Miguel Cairo at first base and bats him in the #2 hole.

I can't wait until Baker is gone.



"He is a veteran dude. We got to get him some at bats. He will come around."

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 08:02 PM
"He is a veteran dude. We got to get him some at bats. He will come around."

Lmao

Reds
05-26-2010, 08:17 PM
votto is available to PH?

bigredmechanism
05-26-2010, 08:18 PM
Nice recovery by Bronson after a shaky start.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:22 PM
Cabrera's been great at the #1 hole this season.

This first at-bat (4-pitch walk) is pure evidence that he's changed his approach this season while in that position. It's been a great benefit from the Cabrera signing.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:23 PM
Cairo should have been bunting Cabrera over.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:24 PM
...instead of striking out swinging on three pitches.

Nice move there, "Duhsty".

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 08:33 PM
Cmon Jay

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:43 PM
Run, Drew, Run.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 08:45 PM
Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty

Maybe the best point in all of this. Ramon filled in for Joey last year. His power is more or less gone, but he's still a much better hitter than Cairo and was surprisingly good defensively at first when he filled in there last year.

But no, you have to give Cairo a start. Can't put your best possible lineup out there and best foot forward when you're battling the Cardinals for 1st place and playing the lowly Pirates. Heck, even though he's scuffling right now, Gomes would be a better alternative. Obviously he's a better hitter, and defensively you wouldn't be lossing much if anything in comparison to Cairo.

Maybe Dusty promised Miguel's mom or someone in his family that he'd give Miguel a start. After all, it's pretty much little league managing at its finest.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:46 PM
Speed thrills.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:48 PM
Guess we're alone here redsfan_12.

We need to start coming through w/ RISP.

Let's go Hanigan (Stubbs on 2nd).

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Hanigan walks, Arroyo will show Cairo how to sacrifice.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:49 PM
All hands safe on an excellent bunt (and a slip) by Arroyo.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Yes. TexasDave.

I'd let Arroyo hit.

They'd probably intentionally walk Cabrera so they could pitch to Cairo. (I would)

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 08:49 PM
If the Reds don't start putting runs on the board against this Ohlendorf character, they should be fed to the dogs at the ballpark.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:50 PM
Mr. RBI up.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:50 PM
Anyone with the word "dorf" in their name, deserves to be hit.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Sac fly and the Reds draw first blood.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Arroyo's ability to reach first base made them have to pitch to Cabrera.

Does Cairo end the inning?

Quick vote.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Miguel Cairo please make me eat crow here.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:52 PM
Cairo comes through and they throw Hanigan out at the plate. It's always something.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:52 PM
It took him one lousy pitch.

:rolleyes:


Sometimes the "karma" of Cairo is too much to overcome.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:53 PM
It seems like the Reds lose a bunch of baserunners. That might not be the case, but it certainly seems that way.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 08:54 PM
I would have preferred a bases clearing gapper, but Mr. sacrifice fly gets the Reds on the board.

Don't know if I agree with Thom's "why not" philosophy of sending Hanigan with 2 outs. You have a pitcher struggling with his control and he just gave up a base hit to a guy who can almost make Aaron Harang look good at the plate, with Phillips on deck. I like the aggression in a sense, but why run yourself out of the inning?:thumbdown

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:54 PM
But, then there's the "karma" of Mark Berry.

Is it me, or does it seem like the REDS have an inordinate number of bad plays where Mark Berry is involved?

BTW, the REDS are DEAD LAST in the NL in getting runner in from 3rd and less than 2 outs. Nice to see them convert here.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:55 PM
3 singles and error and a walk and we get one run.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:55 PM
I would have preferred a bases clearing gapper, but Mr. sacrifice fly gets the Reds on the board.

Don't know if I agree with Thom's "why not" philosophy of sending Hanigan with 2 outs. You have a pitcher struggling with his control and he just gave up a base hit to a guy who can almost make Aaron Harang look good at the plate, with Phillips on deck. I like the aggression in a sense, but why run yourself out of the inning?:thumbdown

Big difference between the 3-hole hitter coming up next and the 8-hole hitter. I have to agree they should have been dead certain he was going to make it. But what can you do?

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Nice job, Cabrera, though.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:57 PM
Struck him out. Arroyo feeling his oats tonight.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 08:57 PM
I just saw the play.

Hanigan was deadmeat.

Can't believe they sent him on that shallow hit.

It looked like Cairo started to run towards the dugout, though, as he was unsure what to do when the ball dribbled towards the outfield. Not sure if he remembered how to run to first base.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:58 PM
Steeruck him out. 2 down.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 08:59 PM
Well, the Reds are probably going to win for sure tonight. They just struck out Roberto Clemente on 3 pitches. Oh wait... that was Ronny Cedeno.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 08:59 PM
Struck out the side.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:00 PM
Wonder if that's the first time this year Arroyo's done that.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:01 PM
Ohlendorf has thrown 35 pitches and only 17 of them have been strikes. Hmmm. What should Reds' batters do?

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:01 PM
Ohlendorf has thrown 35 pitches and only 17 of them have been strikes. Hmmm. What should Reds' batters do?

Keep swinging?

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:07 PM
I know not every fastball is straight, but it's still disappointing to see Jay not catching up to low 90 mph fastballs.

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:12 PM
no hits so far for the pirates.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:13 PM
One run gonna be enough? Arroyo is pitching well.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:15 PM
I sure as heck hope we get more than 1 run. I'll say this... this guy gets some nice movement on his fastball, but you've got to make a guy pay when he walks guys and struggles with his control.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:15 PM
Come on, Drew, let's get it going.

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:16 PM
4IP, 0 hits, 3 ks, 1 walk. faced the minimum of 12.

39 of 53 landing for strikes.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:18 PM
Speed is a pretty tidy little weapon.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:19 PM
Reds lose another runner on the bases. Dusty seriously has to address that issue. It is getting ridiculous.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:20 PM
Reds lose another runner on the bases. Dusty seriously has to address that issue. It is getting ridiculous.

And naturally, Hannigan follows up with a base hit. It seemingly happens every time.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:20 PM
Hanigan singles to right-center which scores...wait would have scored Stubbs.

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:21 PM
why do you try to be aggressive like that? we would have been up 2-0..

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:21 PM
Cowboy just mentioned the no-hitter. Isn't that taboo? Or is it still too early?

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:22 PM
when was the last reds no hitter?

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:22 PM
Browning's perfecto?

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:23 PM
I wasnt even born..

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:24 PM
If Arroyo pitches a no hitter, I'll run naked down the street.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:24 PM
I understand the Reds are tied for first and all, but they don't have enough talent to keep making silly mistakes and giving away a game here and a game there. This team has to play hard and smart.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:24 PM
If Arroyo pitches a no hitter, I'll run naked down the street.

What? You're not going to fly down the street? :)

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:24 PM
I understand the Reds are tied for first and all, but they don't have enough talent to keep making silly mistakes and giving away a game here and a game there. This team has to play hard and smart.

Yep

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:25 PM
I understand the Reds are tied for first and all, but they don't have enough talent to keep making silly mistakes and giving away a game here and a game there. This team has to play hard and smart.

Absolutely. Division winner don't do this as much as the REDS do.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:25 PM
What? You're not going to fly down the street? :)

I'd love to see it happen, and stranger things have happened, but Bronson and no hitter generally don't go together. He's pitched great so far though.:)

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:26 PM
Odd stat on GameDay.

The REDS are 2 for 4 w/ RISP, but they have only 1 run.

They're giving Hanigan credit for a hit w/ a RISP.

Arroyo had the other hit w/ a RISP, btw.

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:27 PM
no hitter gone..

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:27 PM
Arroyo and Cairo (when Hanigan got gunned down at the plate.)

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:28 PM
Arroyo and Cairo (when Hanigan got gunned down at the plate.)

OK.

I forgot that one.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:28 PM
Strike zone becoming postage stamp sized now.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Reds get a mini-break.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Does Milledge expect to be sent down to the minors at any given moment? Don't see too many players with as high a number as 85.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Of course, as I say that, I'm reminded of Bronson's number.

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:33 PM
2 down..

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:34 PM
John Smoltz is very interesting to listen to.

He's been doing most of the talking on mlb-network tonight.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:35 PM
Smoltz always struck me as a pretty astute guy.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:35 PM
Bases juiced for the pitcher.

rolenmvp
05-26-2010, 09:36 PM
thats your inning..good job arroyo.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:36 PM
One pitch results in an easy popup and Bronson wriggles out of the jam.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:37 PM
That's a nasty pitch to throw to a pitcher....89mph inside slider.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:37 PM
The REDS' bats need to wake up.

These are the Pirates' pitchers.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:38 PM
Still up 1-0, Cabrera, Phillips, Votto due up in the bottom of the 5th.

Oh wait...:angry:

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:38 PM
We've had 8 baserunners in 4 innings (a 2.000 WHIP!). Yet, we have only the one run.

Execution, guys!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:39 PM
LOL. Bark in the park.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Dusty Baker is a genius.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Miguel "freaking " Cairo with a Jack!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Miguel Cairo is the man (for one night).

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:41 PM
Lol, it almost never fails. Everytime we complain about somebody being in the lineup, he comes through that game.

bigredmechanism
05-26-2010, 09:41 PM
I know he HRd but I'd still rather not have Cairo on this team.

/Why yes, I refuse to eat crow.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 09:41 PM
Cairo wants to play everyday!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:42 PM
That run is huge.

FlyerFanatic
05-26-2010, 09:42 PM
Cairo wants to play everyday!!

im afraid that might happen. i agree with the previous poster. this is only gonna make dusty turn to him more

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:43 PM
If Cairo can go deep, surely Scott Rolen can.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:43 PM
Phillips with 2 walks in a game. :eek:

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:44 PM
Miguel with a 342 foot BOMB!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:46 PM
Wow. Scottie almost made a psychic out of me.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:46 PM
Man, that ball just died out there for some reason. In GABP no less. Too much doggy breath in the park tonight.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Phillips goes ton3rd

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Man, that ball just died out there for some reason. In GABP no less. Too much doggy breath in the park tonight.

Phillips swipes second and moves to third on the error.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Jay needs to play add on here.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 09:47 PM
I know he HRd but I'd still rather not have Cairo on this team.

/Why yes, I refuse to eat crow.

Hear! Hear!


Sell High!!!

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
Smoltz always struck me as a pretty astute guy.


John Smoltz is very interesting to listen to.

He's been doing most of the talking on mlb-network tonight.

I've been enjoying him this year, he brings a lot to the studio and even more to the tv booth, IMO. :beerme:

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:48 PM
Jay is due. He has left a ton of runners on lately.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
Jay still late on a low 90 mph fastball, but walks.

Ok, Nix needs to play add on here.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:49 PM
Nix bringing some lumber plateward. Bruce on first, Phillips on third. Be nice to break this thing open.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:50 PM
2-run lead as the Reds only tease the fans with more.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:51 PM
Man I hate giving pitchers and teams we should bury life. We may win tonight, but it's still extremely frustrating.

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:52 PM
maybe so, because Brandon should have been out at second and we missed a big chance there. there are worse teams to miss chances against than the buccos though, the lineup is below average.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Trouble brewing.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm not saying we're "there" yet as a playoff team, but if we want to even pretend we are, we need to do better against teams like the Pirates.

Now we've let them hang around and they're posing a threat.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
Bronson's hair beats McCutcheon's hair. Pop up to Phillips for the first out.

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
arroyo at 86 pitches btw

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Cowboy called that double play and I like it.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Man that was smooth by Phillips, and a laser thrown by Orlando. I like defense.

Reds
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
and pitch 87 was nice :)

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 09:58 PM
nice job BA!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Time to tack on a couple more.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:00 PM
I'd leave Arroyo in.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
If Stubbs was left-handed he would get a ridiculous amount of infield hits.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
Hanigan with a bleeder. Nice.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:01 PM
Sacrifice time.

blark11
05-26-2010, 10:02 PM
That was like a no look pass in basketball.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:02 PM
Another runner in scoring position. Bring him home, OCab.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:03 PM
Orlando Cabrera baby!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:03 PM
Cabrera is good in RBI situations, I have to tip my cap.

bigredmechanism
05-26-2010, 10:04 PM
That's my guy. OCab has been such a difference maker here, regardless of Janish's defensive abilities.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Nice, now don't hold up on a fly ball thinking there aren't 2 outs!

amazing hustle to get to second base though, no lack of trying.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:09 PM
When you look at the team we're 26-20, and that's the same as last year. But with Rolen, and O-cab, and Leake you have to think that we can at least hang around through summer. It's encouraging to see the new faces playing so well.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:11 PM
Gold glove play by Phillips!

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:11 PM
get up brandon!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:11 PM
Phillips saves Bronson a hit, jumping high to snag the ball out of the air.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:11 PM
1-2-3 7th for Bronson.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:13 PM
Quick inning for Arroyo. Arroyo in the 8th and Coco in the 9th (unless the Reds get some insurance).

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:13 PM
Complete game for Bronson?

As long as he's not overly taxed in the 8th, I don't see a need to bring in Cordero for a pointless save, if it holds at a 3 run lead.

bigredmechanism
05-26-2010, 10:13 PM
Great play by Brandon. It seems like a daily occurrence.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:14 PM
If Arroyo has a quick 8th he might go all the way. Depends on how many pitches he throws next inning.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:16 PM
We need some runs so Cordero AND Rhodes don't have to pitch tonight.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:16 PM
Nice snag by Phillips. I just saw it. Wow!

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:17 PM
Forgot Rolen was even in the lineup.

He's been so quiet tonight.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:18 PM
Forgot Rolen was even in the lineup.

He's been so quiet tonight.

He smacked a ball his last time up though. It looked like it was gone off the bat, and then it just died at the track.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:18 PM
Rolen hit one to the wall his last time up. Radio announcers thought it was gone.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:19 PM
All those dogs barked it down.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:21 PM
Nix grounds into a force out. 1st and 3rd with two down. Stubbs needs to put this game completely out of reach.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:22 PM
Stubbs draws a four-pitch walk and Hanigan comes up with a runner on every base.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:23 PM
Hanigan has great number with RISP I believe.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:24 PM
You have to be kidding me. He threw four straight balls to Stubbs, none of them even close, and Hanigan swings at the first pitch. That is just plain ignorant.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 10:24 PM
I bet Dusty lets arroyo get 2 guys on base at least this inning before he get someone up in the pen.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Hanigan has great number with RISP I believe.

Out of this world numbers, actually.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:25 PM
I bet Dusty lets arroyo get 2 guys on base at least this inning before he get someone up in the pen.

Yes. Enough to let him not lose the game, but still win the game.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:25 PM
I bet Dusty lets arroyo get 2 guys on base at least this inning before he get someone up in the pen.

I have a good feeling about Arroyo this inning.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 10:26 PM
I have a good feeling about Arroyo this inning.

I dont care if he starts the inning but this is when Dusty tries to go too long with guys.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:26 PM
We need more runs next inning, though.


I don't want to see Cordero. And, Dusty doesn't think anyone else can get 3 outs before giving up 3 runs.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:26 PM
I dont care if he starts the inning but this is when Dusty tries to go too long with guys.

I agree completely.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:27 PM
The bullpen should be up already. Even if it is just easy tossing.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:28 PM
Cedeno making him work.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:29 PM
One pitch, one out.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:29 PM
up to 103 pitches.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 10:30 PM
The bullpen should be up already. Even if it is just easy tossing.

exactly

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2010, 10:31 PM
If he takes out Arroyo it will begin the never ending cycle of Baker changing relief pitchers every other breath and then in the 9th we will be cussing Cordero again.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:32 PM
I want to see Del Rosario pitch tonight.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:33 PM
Also......

Go Padres!!!

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:34 PM
Are you rooting for the Cubs or Dodgers tonight?

I'm for the Cubs as I want the teams ahead of the REDS losing.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:36 PM
long AB, time to get this 3rd out. You have to figure this is Arroyos last inning.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2010, 10:36 PM
and here we go

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:36 PM
Bronson Arroyo :clap:

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:38 PM
Cmon Massett

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:40 PM
It's amazing when you see a guy with 32 strikeouts in 21 innings of work, but also 27 hits, 4HR's allowed, and a .310 BA against. Those numbers just don't compute unless you're just not making your pitches. The stuff is still nasty, the execution and location isn't.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:40 PM
Here's the masset we know

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:40 PM
so the run to tie it comes to the plate

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:40 PM
I went away to come to the horror of finding out that Massett is pitching.

Like someone said in the ORG. Del Rosario was brought up so Duhsty could have another unused arm on his bench.

I've always hated Duhsty Baker.

GIDP
05-26-2010, 10:41 PM
I bet Dusty lets arroyo get 2 guys on base at least this inning before he get someone up in the pen.

Quoting myself for lol

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:41 PM
"He is a veteran dude. We got to get him some at bats. He will come around."

Lmao

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:41 PM
Masset is gonna get this guy.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:41 PM
Bronson Arroyo :clap:

Absolutely.



Duhsty Baker: :thumbdown

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:42 PM
Runners move up so a base hit scores two. Geez.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
None of these guys could get a hit off of Del Rosario. None of them have ever seen him before.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
And Massett with a Wild Pitch.

Way to go Baker.

Maker_84
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
nick masset sucks

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
ho-hum...what did i tell ya?

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Now he walks the bases loaded.

Are you proud of yourself Duhsty?

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:44 PM
walks will haunt

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:44 PM
BOOO!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:44 PM
One freaking out, bullpen!

Jefferson24
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
here we go again!

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
Just should have left Arroyo in there if he was going to bring Massett in instead.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
this is bullchit dusty

FlyerFanatic
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
massett shaky again. damn is this bullpen terrible

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2010, 10:46 PM
Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:46 PM
i hate our bullpen

IT SUCKSSSSSS

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:46 PM
Lefties hitting .391 against Herrera.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:47 PM
This is the downside of Dusty being a "player's manager". Whether Chris Welsh's comments about throwing Masset out there to get his confidence back are valid and in line with the way Dusty thinks, I don't know. But I expect they are.

Guys are are big league "veterans" shouldn't need a confidence boost though. Yes Masset is still relatively young and doesn't have "a lot" of experience, but you either know you can do it or you're not sure.

You don't send a guy who's struggling out there in tight situations. Let him get his confidence back, if he needs to, in more low leverage situations, then throw him back into the fire.

Boston Red
05-26-2010, 10:47 PM
Why does Nick Masset have a job? If he's in the majors, he should have the Johnny Ruffin role from the mid-90s: mop up blowout losses.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:47 PM
1 more danny ray

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM
One more strike, Mini-Me.

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM
i'd go same place

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM
i hate our bullpen

IT SUCKSSSSSS
I don't.

I like our bullpen.

I hate how Baker uses it.

Reds
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM
consecutive nights masset has been blah

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM
stf down!!

Nice DRH!!!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:49 PM
Daniel Ray Herrera saves Dusty's hide.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:49 PM
Lefties hitting .391 against Herrera.

And, that number just went down and will continue to go waaaayyyyy down as the year goes on.

Redeye fly
05-26-2010, 10:49 PM
Now that's what we want to see out of Herrera!

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2010, 10:49 PM
let the cussing of cordero start now

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:49 PM
i still hate masset... and we still have to deal with cordero

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:50 PM
stf down!!

Nice DRH!!!!

:beerme:

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:50 PM
Reds need to plate a couple more this inning.

Boston Red
05-26-2010, 10:50 PM
Get five runs and leave DRH out there.

foxfire123
05-26-2010, 10:51 PM
Finally!

I have such a headache..... :bash:

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:52 PM
Heisey with a shot!!!!

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:53 PM
good.. maybe now coco wont come in

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:53 PM
i'd let del rosario pitch the 9th

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
i'd let del rosario pitch the 9th

Me, too. But, we have brains.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
How can they send Heisey back down?

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
How can they send Heisey back down?

Who said he's being sent down?

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:55 PM
good.. maybe now coco wont come in

Heisey just helped prolong Cordero's season. (Unless Dusty pulls another stupid boner by using him in a non-save situation).

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:55 PM
Who said he's being sent down?

I mean when Dickerson is ready.

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:55 PM
Cowboy thinks Cairo got drilled on purpose.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:55 PM
I mean when Dickerson is ready.

That's such a long time from now. So many things will happen between now and then. It's not even on anyone's mind.

HalMorrisRules
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Cowboy thinks Cairo got drilled on purpose.

Its hard to not agree

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
That's such a long time from now. So many things will happen between now and then. It's not even on anyone's mind.

It was on my mind. LOL.

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Del Rosario coming in

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
NICE

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Heisey with a 1.117 OPS in May.

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:56 PM
Oh no!! It's Co Co!!

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:57 PM
They said Dusty was hot. 4-run lead in the ninth and you think your player just got drilled. A Pirate batter better hit the dirt.

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Del Rosario coming in

Cool.

Enjoy.

He's got a nasty sinker. Hope he can get a grip on it and he's not too nervous. (If he's sweating, the ball won't be sinking.)

cbowen2112
05-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Cordero in?

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Coco-licious?

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:58 PM
Coco-licious? :thumbdown

cbowen2112
05-26-2010, 10:58 PM
We'll see what happens....?

Kingspoint
05-26-2010, 10:58 PM
Cordero in?

He better not be, or someone in Cincinnati needs to throw a beer at Dusty and drench him for being abusive to his pitchers (never heard that one before).

redsfan_12
05-26-2010, 10:58 PM
WTH is he coming in?!?!?!?!?!?

sivman17
05-26-2010, 10:58 PM
He better not be, or someone in Cincinnati needs to throw a beer at Dusty and drench him for being abusive to his pitchers (never heard that one before).

how bout being abusive to the fans?

GIDP
05-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Why is Cordero getting pitched right here. Seriously rofl

texasdave
05-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Dusty is a fool as usual. And then Dusty will complain that Coco is being overworked.

cbowen2112
05-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Del Rosario should be here.