5-31-10 Reds @ Cardinals (Votto Out)

[Redlegs_87]

Cabrera SS
Cairo 1B
Phillips 2B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
StubbsCF
Hernandez C
Arroyo RHP


Starting to make me nervous Joey.

[Vottomatic]

No Votto?

I need some more information on my favorite player. This is getting old. We need you Joey.

If it's more serious than we're being told, we need to be told that. Keeping us in the dark isn't doing any good.

[Vottomatic]

http://twitter.com/johnfayman

Fay says on his twitter that there's a "chance" Joey will play tomorrow and that he is going to take batting practice today. Taking batting practice makes me feel better.

[Vottomatic]

Also, Jaime Garcia throws lefthanded today. Maybe they're just giving Joey "one more day" of rest since it's a lefty pitching today?

[1990REDS]

Also, Jaime Garcia throws lefthanded today. Maybe they're just giving Joey "one more day" of rest since it's a lefty pitching today?

im pretty sure votto hits lefties just as good as righties but i get what your sayin.

[Vottomatic]

He's only faced Garcia once and went 0-3 with a K.

[bubbachunk]

Also, Jaime Garcia throws lefthanded today. Maybe they're just giving Joey "one more day" of rest since it's a lefty pitching today?

There is no better right handed option on the team at 1B that can hit lefties better than Votto imo, so it would be a poor excuse if they were going to use that.

[Vottomatic]

There is no better right handed option on the team at 1B that can hit lefties better than Votto imo, so it would be a poor excuse if they were going to use that.

Yeah, but Joey is 0-3 against him, so he probably doesn't want to face him. :p:

Just kidding.

[RedsfaninOKC]

Looking foward to this series!

In other NL Central news: Roy Oswalt just got ejected from the game against the Nats in the top of the 3rd for arguing balls and strikes.

Edit: The pitcher that came into replace him (Chacin), just homered.

[Vottomatic]

Looking foward to this series!

In other NL Central news: Roy Oswalt just got ejected from the game against the Nats in the top of the 3rd for arguing balls and strikes.

Edit: The pitcher that came into replace him (Chacin), just homered.

Oswalt's frustration in Houston is mounting.

[redsfan_12]

I'm nervous about this series. We need totake 2 of 3

[AintlifeGrande]

Yeah we need Votto's bat to really have a chance to win the series.

[Fullboat]

Yeah we need Votto's bat to really have a chance to win the series.


Please!!!! We have Cairo!!

[redsfan_12]

getting ready to roll...Lets get game 1

[redsfan_12]

2 out single for Phillips

[redsfan_12]

Scotty singles. Phillips diggs for 3rd. Cmon Jonny

[Griffey012]

I think Rasmus was the only person that DIDN'T think Phillips was gonna go to 3rd

[Griffey012]

Gomes keeps rollin!

[redsfan_12]

Yessir baby!!! 2 out lightning!!


2-0!!

[redsfan_12]

nice inning!

[RedsfaninOKC]

Thank you Jonny!!! :beerme:

[bubbachunk]

How did Rolen score from first on only a single by gomes? I didnt have the audio up yet.

[sabometrics]

He didn't, he advanced to 2nd on the throw to 3rd the previous play.

[bubbachunk]

He didn't, he advanced to 2nd on the throw to 3rd the previous play.

Oh ok I missed that, thanks for clearing that up.

[redsfan_12]

Lopez Ks

[redsfan_12]

double for Ludwick..with a base open, do u walk poo holes?

yes

[bubbachunk]

Nope don't give him a thing, make him chase if he wants it.

[sabometrics]

Arroyo not looking sharp, promptly falling behind in the count to the first two batters. Got Felipe, but Ludwick made him pay. Hopefully he can work through his early struggles like he did against the Pirates.

First pitch ball to Pujols, then strike one on the outside corner. Ball 2 wide. Arroyo wants no part of Albert.

[Kingspoint]

double for Ludwick..with a base open, do u walk poo holes?

yes

Most of the World does, but Duhsty doesn't because it would disrespect Barry Bonds, the only person Duhsty thinks worthy of being intentionally walked.

[sabometrics]

Good pitch just missed off the outside corner. Free pass coming now.

[redsfan_12]

good decision there

[Griffey012]

How did Rolen score from first on only a single by gomes? I didnt have the audio up yet.

Phillips took 3rd on Rolen's single, Rolen advanced on the throw.

[redsfan_12]

where the hell did that miss?

[sabometrics]

Don't know how that was ball 1 to Holliday.

[redsfan_12]

Don't know how that was ball 1 to Holliday.

that was as good as a strike as you can get LOL..

Holiday pops out

[sabometrics]

Matt Holliday ... wow ... a shadow of his former self pops out, infield fly rule takes effect.

[Kingspoint]

Matt Holliday ... wow ... a shadow of his former self pops out, infield fly rule takes effect.

He'll heat up as the summer heats up.

[sabometrics]

Freese almost punched that one into left field, that was right on his hands. Good pitches by Arroyo in this AB so far.

[sabometrics]

Ground ball to Cabrera ends the inning, 6-4.

[redsfan_12]

what about that..good things happen when you do dont let poo holes beat you

[Kingspoint]

Great effort by Arroyo in the 1st inning.

20 pitches...the bulk of their lineup....their strong desire to get a couple of runs back after we scored first...Arroyo not necessarily being "warmed up", yet, as it takes him a while to get his pitches working usually...a hostile St. Louis crowd...etc.

[sabometrics]

Bronson definitely didn't look to have his best stuff, he was struggling to find his spots against the first few batters but things came together as the inning goes on.

1-2 to Stubbs now and he chases it high and out of the zone for strike 3.

[redsfan_12]

that was a mile over your head Drew

[sabometrics]

Garcia misses with identical pitches low to Hernandez. Ball 3 outside now 3-0.

[redsfan_12]

Ramon walks on 4 pithces

[sabometrics]

Ball 4 to Ramon. Garcia all around the plate but rarely over it now. 1-0 to Arroyo.

[Griffey012]

Let's see if Ramon can get to 2nd on a bunt...

[sabometrics]

Bunt foul down the first base line, 1-1.

[sabometrics]

Bronson fails to make contact, K's.

[redsfan_12]

our pitches flat out suck at bunting. jesus..

Arroyo is normally good, but that was terrible

[sabometrics]

Dirty dirty curve to Cabrera there, 0-2 now.

Lets get some 2-out magic here come on O-Cab!

[redsfan_12]

Ks the side

[sabometrics]

That curve just made Cabrera look foolish on consecutive offerings.

[redsfan_12]

leadoff double

[sabometrics]

Still falling behind in the count ... and paying for it. Double for Rasmus.

[sabometrics]

Molina bunting? Strange call.

[brachial pleXUs]

our pitches flat out suck at bunting. jesus..

Arroyo is normally good, but that was terrible

I would argue that Leake, Harang, and Arroyo are actually pretty good. The Reds led the league in sacrifice bunts last year, IIRC.

[sabometrics]

Grounder to Cabera advances the runner to third. Schumaker up and the infield is in.

0-1 as the first offering is fouled away.

[GIDP]

Reds need more than 2 runs. Hopefully Bruce nails one today.

[redsfan_12]

I would argue that Leake, Harang, and Arroyo are actually pretty good. The Reds led the league in sacrifice bunts last year, IIRC.

Im talking about recently..seems like last 10 games, weve failed on 7-8 bunts

[sabometrics]

Arroyo running that fastball in on Schumaker very effectively, 1-2 now to the plate and this is gonna get the run in.

2-1 Reds still lead, 2 out.

[redsfan_12]

what kinno 0-2 pitch was that?? throw it in the dirt

[brachial pleXUs]

Im talking about recently..seems like last 10 games, weve failed on 7-8 bunts

O, IC. Sorry.

[sabometrics]

Garcia hits ball 4 into CF for a single.

[Griffey012]

Arroyo is not looking sharp today, he is missing all over.

[cbowen2112]

Should be 0-2 now.

[sabometrics]

2-0 now to Lopez. Bronson consistently falling behind in the count, not getting a few calls, but overall he's been missing a lot.

[sabometrics]

Chopper ends the inning, 1-3.

[redsfan_12]

Cairo singles

[sabometrics]

Visibility apparently getting poor as some overcast weather creeps in, but it doesn't bother Cairo as he hits a laser into center.

[Griffey012]

Not what I want to see from Phillips there, but he got the runner over at least. Let's stay hot Scotty.

[sabometrics]

Phillips accidentally sacrifices Cairo on over to 2nd. Rolen up now and I really like our chances to get something going here.

[GIDP]

I hate Cairo so much that I really hate it when he gets hits. I cant describe how much him doing well annoys me. Every hit buys him more time on the roster when he really isnt good enough to be. I guess Ill just learn to deal with it. lol.

[Kingspoint]

I would argue that Leake, Harang, and Arroyo are actually pretty good. The Reds led the league in sacrifice bunts last year, IIRC.


The REDS lead the league right now accumulatively in all of the "positive outs" categories, like sacrifices, Sac Flies, moving runners from 1st to 3rd. Moving runners over, etc.

They just suck at getting runners home from 3rd with less than 2 outs (which I've always felt was a "managerial" stat, as a manager has so many options for getting that runner in from 3rd.

[sabometrics]

I hate Cairo so much that I really hate it when he gets hits. I cant describe how much him doing well annoys me. Every hit buys him more time on the roster when he really isnt good enough to be. I guess Ill just learn to deal with it. lol.

lol just let go of it and root for the team, not the players.

[GIDP]

lol just let go of it and root for the team, not the players.

In a way I'm rooting for the team because the worse he does the better chance the reds get of improiving the bench? see what I mean? lol

[Griffey012]

The REDS lead the league right now accumulatively in all of the "positive outs" categories, like sacrifices, Sac Flies, moving runners from 1st to 3rd. Moving runners over, etc.

They just suck at getting runners home from 3rd with less than 2 outs (which I've always felt was a "managerial" stat, as a manager has so many options for getting that runner in from 3rd.

What are the options besides letting the hitter do their job and squeezing? Doesn't seem like a lot of options to me. The hitter themselves have more ways to get them in...base hit, sac fly, ground out.

[cbowen2112]

The strike zone is not very consistent today. According to Gameday.

[Kingspoint]

Rolen is hitting .250 w/ RISP on the season.

Gomes is hitting .444!!!

[redsfan_12]

cmon jonny..bet they walk him

[Griffey012]

In a way I'm rooting for the team because the worse he does the better chance the reds get of improiving the bench? see what I mean? lol

If Cairo is hitting well there is no need to improve the bench. And Cairo has just played a big role in helping this team win a few games with Votto out, he has earned his keep.

[redsfan_12]

IBB to Gomes

[Kingspoint]

What are the options besides letting the hitter do their job and squeezing? Doesn't seem like a lot of options to me. The hitter themselves have more ways to get them in...base hit, sac fly, ground out.

It's all about the discipline that a Manager has over his players and for them to follow his instructions to the letter in a situation like that. Duhsty gives his player's total freedom.

[Griffey012]

Jay needs a big rip off a lefty here

[sabometrics]

In a way I'm rooting for the team because the worse he does the better chance the reds get of improiving the bench? see what I mean? lol

I guess in a strange, convoluted fashion I do. Not saying I agree with that way of thinking but I can understand it.

[redsfan_12]

Bruce flies out

[Kingspoint]

Bruce batting .211 w/ a .687 OPS on the season versus Lefties.

[cbowen2112]

Bruce batting .211 w/ a .687 OPS on the season versus Lefties.

Very Dunn-esque

[Kingspoint]

Bruce batting .211 w/ a .687 OPS on the season versus Lefties.


Before that out.

While Bruce has raised his "overall" OPS by about 75 points this year from last year, he's got a long way to go.

But, he is Jay Bruce...the improvement is there, and he'll probably add another 75 points next season, which would put him at .910 OPS for the season next year.

[Griffey012]

It's all about the discipline that a Manager has over his players and for them to follow his instructions to the letter in a situation like that. Duhsty gives his player's total freedom.

No manager in the major leagues doesn't expect his players to get the run in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs. Every player in baseball knows the ways to get a runner in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs. If we lead in sacrifice bunts, hits, etc (small ball stats) I can guarantee our manager preaches getting that run in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

[Griffey012]

Bronson needs to get his control working this inning...hopefully he is fully warmed up and loose now.

[FlyerFanatic]

bruce is a stud in RF. love his defense

[redsfan_12]

I dont think this game will make it much longer. Looks like its about to pour

[sabometrics]

Pujols up with none on ... first two pitches miss. Time for another IBB.

[Kingspoint]

Every player in baseball knows the ways to get a runner in from 3rd base with less than 2 outs.

No, they really don't. Or, they'd do it. Few are the players who have the willingness to sacrifice themselves at all times like Barry Larkin.

[redsfan_12]

1 out single

[sabometrics]

Pujols earns his trip to first this time with a single over a leaping Cabrera into left.

[redsfan_12]

BA behind 2-0 again

[sabometrics]

3-0 to Holliday. I'm not liking the direction this inning is going.

[Griffey012]

No, they really don't. Or, they'd do it. Few are the players who have the willingness to sacrifice themselves at all times like Barry Larkin.

Few like to sacrifice themselves...correct. But they all know what they should be doing, but some have to big of ego's to actually do it. Which is in the hands of the player, not the manager.

[FlyerFanatic]

squeezed wtf

[redsfan_12]

walk

[cbowen2112]

The winds make me nervous. Especially with Flyball hitters coming up.

[Griffey012]

Need a GIDP from Freese, don't want to see rasmus up.

[sabometrics]

That one was a good pitch, just low, could've been called a strike but not that bad of a call.

[redsfan_12]

why didnt Rolen touch the bag?

[sabometrics]

Surprising Rolen didn't go for the lead runner there. He definitely could've gotten him I think.

[Griffey012]

It may be a blessing in disguise, hopefully with first base open they were pitching Rasmus much more carefully.

[redsfan_12]

nice

[FlyerFanatic]

way to fight bronson

[cbowen2112]

Arroyo is such a gamer!

[sabometrics]

Arroyo shatter's Rasmus' lumber and induces the inning ending grounder, 4-3!

On to the 4th!

[Kingspoint]

Few like to sacrifice themselves...correct. But they all know what they should be doing, but some have to big of ego's to actually do it. Which is in the hands of the player, not the manager.

I'll agree to disagree on it being in the hands of the Manager or the player. Baker's pushing most of the right buttons so far this year, so I have to give it to him "overall".

[Kingspoint]

Arroyo is such a gamer!

He's outpitching (barely) Garcia right now.

[Kingspoint]

Rain Delay.

Time to do the Golf Thread.

[redsfan_12]

tarp on the field..no rain..must be coming

[cbowen2112]

Who is St. Louis' long man?

[FlyerFanatic]

is this some ploy to get bronson off his game? its not raining

[FlyerFanatic]

possible hour delay jeez

[sabometrics]

is this some ploy to get bronson off his game? its not raining

Bronson isn't really on top of his game right now, he's lucky the Cards haven't hit him up for 3 runs right now. I'd like to see a first pitch strike stat right now. He's also gone 2-0 more times than I can count. He's only missed up in the zone a few times though, he's either been low or off the plate which is good.

[FlyerFanatic]

Bronson isn't really on top of his game right now, he's lucky the Cards haven't hit him up for 3 runs right now. I'd like to see a first pitch strike stat right now. He's also gone 2-0 more times than I can count. He's only missed up in the zone a few times though, he's either been low or off the plate which is good.

true, never been a fan of pitchers resting for some time and having to come back out. for me its more the mental aspect. dont want arroyo losing focus and such. not pitching well but has gotten outs when needed. that and with baker knowing his crazy ways might not even have him come back out to pitch, could be a tossup

[Reds]

stopped @ 4:18 local time.

Based on the radar it looks severe, but brief. Should be back on the field no later than 5:30, and likely around 5.

[GIDP]

I guess in a strange, convoluted fashion I do. Not saying I agree with that way of thinking but I can understand it.

I'm borderline kidding.

[foxfire123]

Actually, no it's not a ploy. We got drenching, pouring Noah-build-the-ark rain about 30-45 minutes ago, the kind that floods the roads almost immediately since it comes so fast. Heading straight for St Louis <we're 35-40 miles due west of St Louis>.

[AintlifeGrande]

Whats the banana phone number?I got 1800 243.Marty only said the number once.

[FlyerFanatic]

Actually, no it's not a ploy. We got drenching, pouring Noah-build-the-ark rain about 30-45 minutes ago, the kind that floods the roads almost immediately since it comes so fast. Heading straight for St Louis <we're 35-40 miles due west of St Louis>.

haha i wasnt questioning if it was gonna rain. just that they didnt continue to play before it started raining. usually let it go until theres real heavy down pour

[redsfan_12]

haha i wasnt questioning if it was gonna rain. just that they didnt continue to play before it started raining. usually let it go until theres real heavy down pour

guess this way, they dont have to refix the infield

[FlyerFanatic]

guess this way, they dont have to refix the infield

yea, but just never seen that before.

[foxfire123]

This storm had some really, REALLY ugly streak lightning going on too, which may had something to do with the earlier delay.

It's bright and almost sunny now. Go figure!

[redsfan_12]

LMAO LOLOLOLOLOL @ Marty.."trade deadline"

[FlyerFanatic]

LMAO LOLOLOLOLOL @ Marty.."trade deadline"

what was he saying? paraphrase please

[AintlifeGrande]

WOW,Marty just told a caller who asked a crazy trade question F- no.I swear he said it.

[redsfan_12]

this is priceless lmao..what a stupid joke

[GIDP]

rofl what do you call a fish with 10 eyes

FIIIIIIIIIISH

ROFL

[redsfan_12]

WOW,Marty just told a caller who asked a crazy trade question F- no.I swear he said it.

He did not, he said heck no

[redsfan_12]

rofl what do you call a fish with 10 eyes

FIIIIIIIIIISH

ROFL

Marty didnt know what to say lmao

[GIDP]

Marty didnt know what to say lmao

It was so stupid rofl

[redsfan_12]

what was he saying? paraphrase please

Some guy asked about what the Reds were gonna do by the trade deadline, and he said "i know its getting close, 2 months away"

Any Marty went off on him lol..it was hilarious

Marty's wife just said he was being rude to people lol

[AintlifeGrande]

He did not, he said heck no


Don't believe it,he was steamed.

[redsfan_12]

Don't believe it,he was steamed.

I know what he said. I think he's smarter than to say f**k no

[BurgervilleBuck]

Don't drunk call the Banana Phone. Just don't.

[FlyerFanatic]

haha i have it on now

[redsfan_12]

haha i have it on now

theyre still lost about the fiiiiish joke lol

[redsfanmia]

If Marty gets so upset having to deal with the idiots that call the banana phone then why does he agree to do it? Marty rarely works anyway why doesn't he just retire.

[FlyerFanatic]

theyre still lost about the fiiiiish joke lol

love how someone called in to clarify it. marty is was like "this is your contribution to a baseball program?"

[GIDP]

If Marty gets so upset having to deal with the idiots that call the banana phone then why does he agree to do it? Marty rarely works anyway why doesn't he just retire.

rofl I think its amazingly fun. I think a lot of the people calling in are calling in to mess with him as much as he messes with them.

[redsfan_12]

rofl I think its amazingly fun. I think a lot of the people calling in are calling in to mess with him as much as he messes with them.

I love it lol

[FlyerFanatic]

haha "i dont care where dunn plays, if you want him to play in NY, call cashman and ask if they're interested"

[FlyerFanatic]

arroyo staying in looks like. nice. think hes only at like 58 pitches

[redsfanmia]

rofl I think its amazingly fun. I think a lot of the people calling in are calling in to mess with him as much as he messes with them.

It does not seem that Marty is having a good time "messing" with the callers, he was so rude that his daughter texted him to tell him to stop being such a jerk.

[redsfan_12]

7 minutes till restart

[redsfan_12]

here we go

[redsfan_12]

Stubbs aboard via error

[redsfan_12]

nice Ocab!

[FlyerFanatic]

ocab in the 1 hole has been so great for us

[redsfan_12]

a 4 pitch walk to the pitcher..are you serious

[redsfan_12]

how an easy inning can turn on you so quickly

[redsfan_12]

unbelieveable...nice job Arroyo..thats freaking terrible

[redsfan_12]

WTF Arroyo :bang:

[Vottomatic]

These umps suck and are helping St. Louis. 2 of those pitches to Garcia were strikes, but the ump is being stingy. Terrible strikezone by the ump.

Lucky hits all around.

[redsfan_12]

2 outs, nobody on, the pitcher up, and 5 straight men get on

[redsfan_12]

where did that miss??

[BurgervilleBuck]

It'd help if the ump had a strike zone bigger than a gnat's sphincter.

[FlyerFanatic]

getting squeezed real bad

[Griffey012]

Only real hard hit was Holiday's the rest were just decently hit in the right spots. Hopefully we get the runs back here.

[redsfan_12]

ROlen looks at 3 called strikes

[Kingspoint]

What was Rolen waiting for? 3 straight pitches down the gut. Looked at all of them.

[BurgervilleBuck]

ROlen looks at 3 called strikes
At least one of those strikes was outside the zone. I think Rolen was just baffled by the ump's inconsistency.

[Kingspoint]

Wow.

Jiminez just threw 129 pitches for a complete game shutout of the Giants.

[redsrolen]

I love my Scotty,however,not right this minute!!!!!!!

[Kingspoint]

This is like a double-header.

We won the 1st game 2-1.

They're ahead in the 2nd one 3-1.


REDS are live on MLB network now.

Crappy at-bat by Bruce.

[redsfan_12]

leadoff single, cant get him over. Cardinals put on 5 with 2 out

[Vottomatic]

First pitch to Bruce was too low. This ump is horrendous behind the plate.

[Vottomatic]

He's got our players baffled with his calls.

[Kingspoint]

leadoff single, cant get him over. Cardinals put on 5 with 2 out

We scored 2 in the 1st with 2 out and nobody on.

[FlyerFanatic]

First pitch to Bruce was too low. This ump is horrendous behind the plate.

yep wayyy to inconsistent

[Maker_84]

i hate to be a pessimist but this game has the feeling that the Reds r done scoring and the Cards aren't

[Kingspoint]

i hate to be a pessimist but this game has the feeling that the Reds r done scoring and the Cards aren't

It may have that feeling, but these are your 2010 CINCINNATI REDS! They ain't done, yet.

[FlyerFanatic]

walking batters doesnt help

[redsfan_12]

another walk

[FlyerFanatic]

especially bottom of the order, and pitchers

[Maker_84]

and this isn't the Astros or Pirates

[Kingspoint]

and this isn't the Astros or Pirates

It's just another Central Division team chasing the First Place Cincinnati REDS.

Let's Go REDS!!!

C'mon, Bronson!!!

[FlyerFanatic]

get out of this. their bullpen can be just as shaky as ours

[Magdal]

Was Molina even running there? He was out by a mile.

[redsfan_12]

jesus christ

[FlyerFanatic]

and ball game

[BurgervilleBuck]

There are two things that are affecting Arroyo's performance: his inconsistency and the umpire's inconsistency.

[Kingspoint]

How does he score from first? Did Cairo send the ball to a place where it couldn't be reached?

[redsfan_12]

the pitcher has been on 3 times..you cant win like that

[Maker_84]

damn, game over. we just can't surpass the cards it seems

[FlyerFanatic]

well im turning this trash off. cant get the pitcher out?

[Señor Rojo]

You have to think the rain delay has contributed to this meltdown. He didn't have his best stuff today either.

[redsfan_12]

this is pathetic, im turning it off

[redsrolen]

Arroyo is toast!!!!!!!!!!!get him the heck out of there!!!!!!!!!:

[Kingspoint]

We were fine until the rain.

This stuff happens.

We've got Cueto tomorrow, who's as hot as anyone in all of baseball.

[Maker_84]

the Reds have started to suck again. I had a feeling we would get taken to the woodshed after being shutout by the Astros. Votto needs to stop being a bit** and get back with the team. I'm sick of his BS

[GIDP]

Arroyo should be put under after being afraid of the other teams starting pitcher.

Also Cairo is a statue. Glad Joey Votto is the new Mr. Glass that cant recover from a stiff neck.

[Señor Rojo]

Votto needs to be ready to go tomorrow. No excuses.

[GIDP]

the Reds have started to suck again. I had a feeling we would get taken to the woodshed after being shutout by the Astros. Votto needs to stop being a bit** and get back with the team. I'm sick of his BS

The woodshed was on the mound.

[Maker_84]

I've thought all along Arroyo is not a big time pitcher and he's not proving me wrong. We have one guy in our SP that is and that's Cueto. Leake maybe someday but not now, and we all know that Harang and Bailey both suck

[FlyerFanatic]

I've thought all along Arroyo is not a big time pitcher and he's not proving me wrong. We have one guy in our SP that is and that's Cueto. Leake maybe someday but not now, and we all know that Harang and Bailey both suck

he's basically has admitted as much. talked before the season how he doesnt like the hoopla of opening day and didnt want to start then. he's solid and will give 200+ innings but what kind of guy doesnt want the ball in big games?

[Kingspoint]

Let's see what happens.

4 runs.

4 innings.

1 run per inning.

We need one run this inning.

[Vottomatic]

I've thought all along Arroyo is not a big time pitcher and he's not proving me wrong. We have one guy in our SP that is and that's Cueto. Leake maybe someday but not now, and we all know that Harang and Bailey both suck

Give me a break. Dude, has to sit through over an hour of a rain delay. Most of the time they don't even run the starting pitcher back out.

He obviously didn't have it after cooling down. It happens.

Can you say panic button. I hate losing to these jerks too, but it's just one of those games you have to chalk up to the rain delay at this point.

[Kingspoint]

REDS/CARDS are now on MLB network for the rest of the game (of course, the CARDS are winning now).

But, that's OK. If the REDS rally, I'll see it.

[Kingspoint]

Way to go, DREW!!!

A leadoff Walk!

Man on 1st, nobody out.

[Kingspoint]

Congratulations to the young man who proposed (she said yes) to his girlfriend who's off to Afghanistan, who's in the stands in the game.

I'm getting the CARDS' feed, of course.

[Kingspoint]

Hernandez in an 0-2 hole.

[Kingspoint]

88 pitches so far for Garcia...Let's get rid of this guy this inning.

[sabometrics]

Feeling a DP here.

[Kingspoint]

Feeling a DP here.

Can't happen if you don't make contact.

[sabometrics]

Honestly I almost didn't want him to make contact there.

[Kingspoint]

WTF?!!!!!

Baker's giving up and letting Fisher hit.

This is why I HATE Duhsty Baker!

[Kingspoint]

There's already one out and he's going to waste another and have Fisher "attempt" to bunt, where Fisher can't even bunt the ball....he's a career reliever who never bats.

[Vottomatic]

WTF?!!!!!

Baker's giving up and letting Fisher hit.

This is why I HATE Duhsty Baker!

I agree. Sends a message to his players that he's throwing up the white flag. Ridiculous.

[Kingspoint]

Fisher has no frickin' clue up at the plate.

I HATE YOU, DUSTY BAKER. YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

[Kingspoint]

I wish Dusty Baker would take an extended leave of absence and I don't care what the reason is.

[sabometrics]

Wow. In what world does that even enter your head as an option there? Fisher looked like he didn't know the first thing about bunting him over.

[Kingspoint]

Wow. In what world does that even enter your head as an option there? Fisher looked like he didn't know the first thing about bunting him over.

Fisher didn't even know how to hold the bat.

Where's that stupid thread about giving Dusty Baker a break?

[GIDP]

The hell was that?

[Vottomatic]

Let's put Janish in at SS. And maybe sub our pitchers in to play OF and 2B. Might as well REALLY give up.

[GIDP]

You couldnt send a starter up there to try to bunt? Drew Stubbs cant steal? What the hell was that inning.

[GIDP]

Seriously you are so afraid of getting thrown out you think sending Fisher up to bunt is a better play? :laugh:

[Kingspoint]

Seriously you are so afraid of getting thrown out you think sending Fisher up to bunt is a better play? :laugh:

Baker doesn't make sense. I doubt if he even understands 3/4th's of the useful statistics that are out there.

[Kingspoint]

You couldnt send a starter up there to try to bunt? Drew Stubbs cant steal? What the hell was that inning.

Leake should have been hitting there.

[FlyerFanatic]

come onnn guys, its not dustys fault its the players on the field ;)

[sabometrics]

Yet another questionable ball. That was all over the inside corner.

[GIDP]

come onnn guys, its not dustys fault its the players on the field ;)

rofl

I know you are joking but people who say that are so ignorant.

[Kingspoint]

What Baker just did there is 1000 times worse than what Hanley Ramirez did in Florida.

Dusty Baker should be suspended by the REDS for 7 games for that stupid, idiotic and lazy effort.

Baker's mad because his Memorial Day plans for this evening were interrupted by the rain, so he's hurrying along the game so he can go get his fat-butt some food.

[Vottomatic]

I often wonder if we wouldn't be 14 or 15 games over .500 if we had a different manager.

[Kingspoint]

rofl

I know you are joking but people who say that are so ignorant.

No, kidding.

[GIDP]

I wish a player would go up there and swing at nothing 3 times. I wonder how Dusty would react to that.

[Vottomatic]

What Baker just did there is 1000 times worse than what Hanley Ramirez did in Florida.

Dusty Baker should be suspended by the REDS for 7 games for that stupid, idiotic and lazy effort.

Baker's mad because his Memorial Day plans for this evening were interrupted by the rain, so he's hurrying along the game so he can go get his fat-butt some food.

Maybe he's out of toothpicks?

[Griffey012]

I usually defend Baker against undue criticism...but that move has even me completely baffled. If we don't score it doesn't matter how many more runs they pile on against Lincoln. If you don't want to waste a pinch hitter (even though we need runs) then pinch hit a pitcher who can at least bunt. I am amazed.

[sabometrics]

Fisher bounces one about 3 feet in front of the plate. Get someone up.

[Vottomatic]

Fisher bounces one about 3 feet in front of the plate. Get someone up.

He's good for that often.

[ILoveWilly]

Here's the Reds I know and love. After blowing a game yesterday that was all but won on an idiot managerial series, come back the next day in the biggest series of the year and get punked. Wow is it great to be a Reds fan. Sure would have been nice if we could have pinch ran last night to win right now, huh? :rolleyes:

[Kingspoint]

Why is Fisher still pitching?

Answer: Because Baker gave up a long time ago even though we were only down 4 runs with 4 innings to go, yet he pitches Cordero when we're up by 4 runs with 1 inning to go.

Baker's nothing but a joke.

[sabometrics]

He really isn't giving him ANYTHING on the outside corner.

[Magdal]

What Baker just did there is 1000 times worse than what Hanley Ramirez did in Florida.

Dusty Baker should be suspended by the REDS for 7 games for that stupid, idiotic and lazy effort.

Baker's mad because his Memorial Day plans for this evening were interrupted by the rain, so he's hurrying along the game so he can go get his fat-butt some food.LMAO on that one! But it's true....there is no excuse for him to surrender this soon in a game. WTH kind of message is that sending to the team?

[Kingspoint]

Here's the Reds I know and love. After blowing a game yesterday that was all but won on an idiot managerial series, come back the next day in the biggest series of the year and get punked. Wow is it great to be a Reds fan. Sure would have been nice if we could have pinch ran last night to win right now, huh? :rolleyes:

Half the REDS didn't even start that game. Thanks Baker for putting up a crappy lineup against the Astros.

[BurgervilleBuck]

Here's the Sun Deck I know and love. One loss and a shaky game against the Cardinals and all of those "Reds" "fans" are throwing in the towel on the season.

When the Reds win this series, don't y'all be too quick to apologize, okay?

[Vottomatic]

Fisher punching his ticket back to triple A.

[HalMorrisRules]

Was this game always scheduled as an afternoon start? I swear that I saw this game as a night game. I missed all of this so far.

[Vottomatic]

Fisher trying to load the bases to give Albert his obligatory grand slam against us.

[ILoveWilly]

Here's the Sun Deck I know and love. One loss and a shaky game against the Cardinals and all of those "Reds" "fans" are throwing in the towel on the season.

When the Reds win this series, don't y'all be too quick to apologize, okay?

Yup because it's just this. I mean, totally nothing to do with having a horrible manager who has cost us several games this year (including just last night), 15 years of playoffless baseball, 10 years without a winning record.

But yeah, everything has always been fine and dandy besides *just* this shaky game. :rolleyes:

[brachial pleXUs]

Fisher punching his ticket back to triple A.

Now that the game's over, I'm glad something's getting accomplished :p:

[Vottomatic]

Now that the game's over, I'm glad something's getting accomplished :p:

:beerme:

That's it!!!! Dusty is showing Walt and Bob how crappy his bullpen is. That's the point of all this. :p:

[Kingspoint]

I usually defend Baker against undue criticism...but that move has even me completely baffled. If we don't score it doesn't matter how many more runs they pile on against Lincoln. If you don't want to waste a pinch hitter (even though we need runs) then pinch hit a pitcher who can at least bunt. I am amazed.

I know.

What the heck is he saving a pinch-hitter for? Tomorrow?

I hate Baker.

I hated him as a Dodger.

I hated him as a Coach with San Francisco.

I hated him as a Manager with the Giants.

I loved him as a Manager for the Cubs, as it ensured the Cubs' future would be compromised.

I've hated him as a Manager for the REDS.

I hate Castellini for liking Baker.

[BurgervilleBuck]

Yup because it's just this. I mean, totally nothing to do with having a horrible manager who has cost us several games this year (including just last night), 15 years of playoffless baseball, 10 years without a winning record.

But yeah, everything has always been fine and dandy besides *just* this shaky game. :rolleyes:
And thanks for letting facts in no way influence your opinion.