another Bailey comment

[icehole3]

I understand youre not happy about going on the DL, I think it just makes for bad blood, just my opinion


http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/06/01/not-so-fast-homer/


“I’ve felt great the last five days,” he said. “But for some reason, they wanted me to wait until yesterday to throw.”

[VR]

I saw that 1st interview about being put on the DL...and my thought was 'this dude doesn't look like the sharpest knife in the drawer'.

This comment confirms it. You're team is in 1st place and has been playing great....yet your focus is on your woes. Get over it.

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't see anything wrong with his quote. I'm pretty sure 99% of the players in the game aren't happy going on the DL.

[bucksfan2]

I don't see anything wrong with his quote. I'm pretty sure 99% of the players in the game aren't happy going on the DL.

Yea I actually like this comment. Homer will learn that the organization is doing whats best for both the Reds as well as Homer.

I want a pitcher who wants to take the ball every 5th day. I want a pitcher who is upset when the org won't let him throw. I want a pitcher with that kind of desire.

[VR]

I don't see anything wrong with his quote. I'm pretty sure 99% of the players in the game aren't happy going on the DL.

If this was an isolated quote from Homer, I would completely agree.

I thought the 1st interview was alarming.....as it showed once again Homer's inabilty listen to his coaches and manager. As long as he continues his 'I know better than they do', he's not ever going to reach his potential.

I agree, OBM, that 99% of players aren't happy going to the DL. 99% of players also understand that when the team is winning and the team chemistry is great...there is no need to whine about your circumstances.

"I can't wait to get out there.....but the team is on a roll, no need to rush me back" would have been a politically correct answer, and show some maturity on his part as well.

[top6]

When Votto said he was fine sitting on the bench because the team was winning, people got on him for not wanting to play and not loving the game enough. Not saying it was the same people complaining about Bailey, but players really can't win if they give any interviews at all about their injuries. And then people wonder why teams lie/cover up injuries.

[Ghosts of 1990]

I don't see anything wrong with his quote. I'm pretty sure 99% of the players in the game aren't happy going on the DL.

He's a competitor. I like that he's firey and wants his. I love Homer's edge. He knows' he has better stuff then about 90% on our pitching staff.

The organization has stuck it to Homer Bailey before. When he was a rookie, he threw 7 shutout innings of 2 hit ball out in Oakland, and they pulled him. Then he had a shaky outing in Philadelphia (4 ER so not that shaky) and he wondered why they did that to him, I can't find the article but he said before this season he really didn't understand that.

I think he's a little bit tired of the games that this organization has played with him, and I can't disagree.

[membengal]

Word, top6. There is nothing wrong with Bailey chomping at the bit to get back out there. There is nothing wrong with the Reds playing it safe.

Ya know, not EVERYthing has to be a controversy. Just sayin'.

[SunDeck]

Molehill, meet mountain.

[LincolnparkRed]

Molehill, meet mountain.

good problem to have when you are winning. Writers need to play the angles when the team is going well.

[icehole3]

no one said it was a controversy, just that since they didnt let him just skip a start and they decided to put him on the DL, it's beginning to sound like whining, I can bring it up on a forum at least thats what I thought this was

[membengal]

ice, a lot of your threads you seem to start in a way intended to be controversial, it seems to me. Including the "he looked sad" one. Perhaps that is not your intent, but that's the way they read.

So Bailey wants to pitch, and that's a bad thing? Really?

[icehole3]

ice, a lot of your threads you seem to start in a way intended to be controversial, it seems to me. Including the "he looked sad" one. Perhaps that is not your intent, but that's the way they read.

So Bailey wants to pitch, and that's a bad thing? Really?

a lot, I really dont even post here, maybe I'll start reading again, thatll make you happy. My final point before I go back into hibernation is Bailey is going over board a little to stress he doesnt agree with management when the team needed pitchers because the staffs thin and keeps caring on about how he isnt hurt.

[westofyou]

Sad, angry, chomping at the bit... baseball is a game full of young guys, emotions and pride. Being human is a pain in the butt in a 24 hour news cycle

[TRF]

I thought the 1st interview was alarming.....as it showed once again Homer's inabilty listen to his coaches and manager. As long as he continues his 'I know better than they do', he's not ever going to reach his potential.

oy vey.


“I’ve felt great the last five days,” he said. “But for some reason, they wanted me to wait until yesterday to throw.”

So he's anxious. Didn't come across to me at all like he knows more than the trainers/coaches. He said he feels great. He obviously didn't want to go on the DL.

nothing to see here.

[RedsManRick]

To borrow the phrase, that's just Homer being Homer. Every indication we've seen suggests he's a quiet, introverted kind of guy with a bit of an arrogant streak. He's apparently gotten more coachable over the past few years, but we shouldn't expect a personality change.

Being tough is a big deal to him and he doesn't want to be babied, whether its pitch counts or injury. He clearly didn't think he needed to be DL'ed, but the Reds are playing it safe. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody, Harang maybe, pulled him aside and told him to keep his disgruntlement to himself.

[Unassisted]

Molehill, meet mountain.
Since none of us have the benefit of working in the Reds clubhouse and knowing the players on our favorite team, all we can do is make inferences from the quotes the sportswriters send our way. Sometimes those quotes are purposeful. Their purpose is to provide insight into unflattering things about players that the writer doesn't dare say in print. Sometimes they are meant to be taken at face value. Nothing wrong with a little reading between the lines, IMO.

[Roy Tucker]

I'm just glad I'm not a ballplayer and my daily off-hand quotes aren't published coast to coast. People would have a field day with me.

As a whole, I think RZ is getting a little goofy.

[BRM]

As a whole, I think RZ is getting a little goofy.

Getting? The goofiness has been here awhile. One of the reasons the site is so fun to read. ;)

[westofyou]

I'm just glad I'm not a ballplayer and my daily off-hand quotes aren't published coast to coast. People would have a field day with me.

As a whole, I think RZ is getting a little goofy.

Baseball is different than the other sports too, the press is there EVERY day, NFL has press day, NBA and NHL a little more time in between games gives them more seperation that MLB can only wish they had. Writers wander around the field during BP, what other sport does a writer linger on the field and in the clubhouse prior and right after a game?

It's a different beast.

[redsmetz]

no one said it was a controversy, just that since they didnt let him just skip a start and they decided to put him on the DL, it's beginning to sound like whining, I can bring it up on a forum at least thats what I thought this was

I think I'd disagree that it's whining (or even the appearance of the same). I think context is needed regarding Bryan Prices comment in the same story:

“I like his optimism,” Price said, “and I’m optimistic, too. However, we’re going to go through the whole process. He hasn’t been off the mound yet. He’s only played long toss at 120 feet. I will say he looks terrific. He looks really, really good. There doesn’t seem to be anything impeding his throwing progression. I think there’s a good chance that he could make that start. But he’s by no means penciled in.”

And it finishes with Dusty saying that he likes his attitude. I think you're seeing Bailey's competitive juices being shown here. He wants to be out there and the club appreciates it. That being said, erring on the side of caution is best with our young arms.

[Hoosier Red]

He's a competitor. I like that he's firey and wants his. I love Homer's edge. He knows' he has better stuff then about 90% on our pitching staff.

I think he's a little bit tired of the games that this organization has played with him, and I can't disagree.

I think even you're reading a little too much into it.

There's a reason player's play and managers manage. The fact that Homer is dissapointed he isn't being able to pitch is a good thing in my opinion. The fact that he's okay saying he's dissapointed isn't a bad thing.

The important thing is that Dusty laughs, says, "I like his attitude" and then goes by what the doctor says.

"for some reason they haven't wanted me to throw for 10 days," isn't exactly tearing into the medical staff.
I'm not sure how it constitutes whining in any case.

[Homer Bailey]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Reds took a very similar route with Leake at some point this season to limit innings when Chapman is ready.

[westofyou]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Reds took a very similar route with Leake at some point this season to limit innings when Chapman is ready.

It's a for certain. Written in stone, Volquez too late in the season takes the ball.

[Caveat Emperor]

Sad, angry, chomping at the bit... baseball is a game full of young guys, emotions and pride. Being human is a pain in the butt in a 24 hour news cycle

Your bad day becomes national news 20 minutes after you let a bit of frustration boil up to the surface.

Homer wants to pitch. With the kind of offensive numbers this team is pumping out, who wouldn't?

[Chip R]

Oooooooo, controversy.

[VR]

Joey Votto wanted to play, badly. Let's compare both of their responses.

[Hoosier Red]

Joey Votto wanted to play, badly. Let's compare both of their responses.

Apples and Oranges for a couple of reasons, 1) Votto knew what was wrong with him. His frustration was the fact that he wasn't feeling well enough to play. 2) Joey and Homer are just two different personalities.

I think we're too conditioned to everyone giving politically correct answers that having a reaction outside of the Crash Davis special is considered bad.

Homer has a little bit of personality. That's not a bad thing. Just like it's not a bad thing when Arroyo says he'd rather pitch night games or Mike Leake says that he's not intimidated and expects to make the opening day roster.

Homer didn't grab a baseball and throw it across the room to prove his arm was fine, Bronson didn't refuse to pitch in day games or fail to give his best effort when he went out before sunset, Leake wouldn't have pouted had he been sent down even if he "knew" he belonged in the majors.

So long as Homer is following doctors orders, he can say whatever he feels like.

[Falls City Beer]

When Votto said he was fine sitting on the bench because the team was winning, people got on him for not wanting to play and not loving the game enough.

Correction: one person said that.

[VR]

Apples and Oranges for a couple of reasons, 1) Votto knew what was wrong with him. His frustration was the fact that he wasn't feeling well enough to play. 2) Joey and Homer are just two different personalities.

So long as Homer is following doctors orders, he can say whatever he feels like.


Here's Joey's quote from day 1.


I just talked to Joey Votto. He said his stiff neck is better. He said whether he can pinch-hit or not is totally up the Dusty Baker.

[Hoosier Red]

So anything that shows any emotion or frustration past that is bad VR?

Why?

[VR]

So anything that shows any emotion or frustration past that is bad VR?

Why?

Not at all. There is a place to show frustration...and it's not to the media....especially when your team is on a roll.

There's a reason the media came back to Price and Baker with Bailey's comments....both times. And it wasn't because they wanted to show how passionate Bailey is. Kudos to Baker and Price for taking the high road and keeping it internal. I just wish Bailey had taken the same approach, much like Votto.

We're talking about a guy that has been a whiner his entire career....to a point that it was a detriment to success for him.
At some point, I'd like him to realize the baseball world doesn't revolve around him. Not because it's hurting the team...but because it only makes him look selfish.

[TeamBoone]

I saw that 1st interview about being put on the DL...and my thought was 'this dude doesn't look like the sharpest knife in the drawer'.

This comment confirms it. You're team is in 1st place and has been playing great....yet your focus is on your woes. Get over it.

Totally agree. He's got to do what's best for the team, not what he thinks is best for Homer. He's not a kid so he should be able to grasp that concept. And if he can't, perhaps he should stay on the DL for awhile and not spread his selfishness to his teammates. Though I'd like to believe it not contageous, you never know.

[RedEye]

Sometimes I feel like Homer can't ever catch a break in these parts. Every quote is dissected with a fine-tooth comb, and he's always guilty until proven innocent. Personally, I don't mind having a player who expresses his frustrations to the press. It's not like he's calling out his teammates. He just wants to be in there helping them out.

[TeamBoone]

Sometimes I feel like Homer can't ever catch a break in these parts. Every quote is dissected with a fine-tooth comb, and he's always guilty until proven innocent. Personally, I don't mind having a player who expresses his frustrations to the press. It's not like he's calling out his teammates. He just wants to be in there helping them out.

And there lies the rub.... he's not helping them out if he's unable to play up to par. I don't have a problem with Homer's comments really. But he's got a reputation of being a sulky kid and it's gonna be a tough one to shake until he gives it more effort. Regardless, at this time, he's hurt... that's not helping his team, it's hindering it... as his last outing proved. Hang in there and get back to 100%, Homer. That's the best way to help your first place team to stay in first place.

[Sea Ray]

That comment doesn't bother me at all in fact it reminds me of what Pete Rose might have said in a similar situation when he was in his young 20s.

[cincrazy]

He's a competitor. I like that he's firey and wants his. I love Homer's edge. He knows' he has better stuff then about 90% on our pitching staff.

The organization has stuck it to Homer Bailey before. When he was a rookie, he threw 7 shutout innings of 2 hit ball out in Oakland, and they pulled him. Then he had a shaky outing in Philadelphia (4 ER so not that shaky) and he wondered why they did that to him, I can't find the article but he said before this season he really didn't understand that.

I think he's a little bit tired of the games that this organization has played with him, and I can't disagree.

I would agree that Homer has better stuff than most of the pitchers on the staff. However, if he never learns to get it consistently over the plate, that's irrelevant.

[Tony Cloninger]

How has this organization stuck it to Homer? I say he has stuck it to fans the way he pitched up until the end of last year.

Maybe they pulled him beacuse they did not want him throwing a ton of pitches in OAK?

He might be a fiery pitcher ...and he also might be a drama queen who has high maintenance issues. Like a Chad Johnson type. You are fine with that when they are playing well but highly annoying when not.

[pedro]

I think he's a little bit tired of the games that this organization has played with him, and I can't disagree.

The Reds haven't played any "games" with Bailey. He's been inconsistent and still is to a certain extent. If Homer wants to be treated like a star then he needs to pitch like one. Up to now he hasn't.

[Topcat]

Sorry but I see nothing wrong with Homer being a true competitor. that being said I am glad the coaches are looking long term instead of short term and protecting a true team asset .

[GAC]

I'm just glad I'm not a ballplayer and my daily off-hand quotes aren't published coast to coast. People would have a field day with me.

As a whole, I think RZ is getting a little goofy.

Amen brother!

Talk about trying to nitpick at someone's comments and make something out of it.

From what I've read, the kids's a fierce competitor, simply doesn't like being on the DL, and wants to be out there helping his team in a tight division race. So lets take every comment he makes a try to "read between the lines".

[TheBurn]

“Love that attitude,” Dusty Baker said with a laugh. Me too... :thumbup:

[WebScorpion]

Me too... :thumbup:

Me three! :thumbup: