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Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 05:53 PM
Cabrera
Phillips
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Gomes
Stubbs
Hernandez
Harang

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Guzman
Morgan
Zimmerman
Dunn
Willingham
Bernadina
Desmond
Nieves
Hernandez

GAC
06-04-2010, 07:48 PM
http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/cin.gif

O. Cabrera ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .320
S. Rolen 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
J. Bruce rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
J. Gomes lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
D. Stubbs cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .233
R. Hernandez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .217


http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/was.gif

C. Guzman 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
N. Morgan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
R. Zimmerman 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .311
A. Dunn 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
J. Willingham lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
R. Bernadina rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
I. Desmond ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
W. Nieves c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .203
L. Hernandez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .100

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Open the chat is

Tom Servo
06-04-2010, 08:08 PM
What universe are we living in where is Livan Hernandez a sub 3.00 ERA pitcher and Harang a 5.00+ ERA pitcher?

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:09 PM
What universe are we living in where is Livan Hernandez a sub 3.00 ERA pitcher and Harang a 5.00+ ERA pitcher?

Bizarro

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:13 PM
- O. Cabrera grounded out to shortstop
- B. Phillips singled to shortstop
Phillips steals 2nd and advances to 3rd on an error

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:15 PM
Votto k's

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:17 PM
Rolen walks

WVRedsFan
06-04-2010, 08:18 PM
What are the odds that Bruce looks clueless here?

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:20 PM
Bruce grounds out to short to end the top of the first

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:21 PM
24 pitches that inning for Hernandez

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Guzman flys out to left. 1 out

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:25 PM
Morgan singles to right

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:29 PM
Zimmerman grounds into a FC. Rolen throws Morgan out at 2nd base. 2 outs

Gallen5862
06-04-2010, 08:30 PM
Thanks for the pbp and inning summaries Degenerate39

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the pbp and inning summaries Degenerate39

No problem. Didn't think anyone else would do it.

Dunn doubles to right and Zimmerman advances to 3rd.

kaldaniels
06-04-2010, 08:31 PM
Keels just went "there" re: Dunns HRs

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:33 PM
Willingham flys out to center 3 outs.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:34 PM
- C. Guzman flied out to left
- N. Morgan singled to right
- R. Zimmerman grounded into fielder's choice, N. Morgan out at second
- A. Dunn doubled to shallow right, R. Zimmerman to third
- J. Willingham flied out to deep center

24 pitches for Harang in first inning

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Top of the 2nd:

Gomes flys out to right field. 1 out

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Stubbs singles to right-center field

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Stubbs steals 2nd.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:41 PM
Razor Ramon hits a bloop single into left and Stubbs scores. 1-0 Reds

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:42 PM
Harang with a great bunt to advance Razor Ramon. 2 outs

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:45 PM
O.Cab grounds out to Zimmerman to end the inning. 3 outs

1-0 Reds

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:47 PM
- J. Gomes flied out to deep right
- D. Stubbs singled to shallow center
- D. Stubbs stole second
- R. Hernandez singled to shallow left, D. Stubbs scored
- A. Harang sacrificed to pitcher, R. Hernandez to second
- O. Cabrera grounded out to third

Through 2 inning Hernandez has thrown 42 pitches

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 08:49 PM
Is it weird to see Dunner at first or what? I guess he'll get to chat with everyone as they keep rounding the base tho! :thumbup: :ughmamoru

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:49 PM
Bernadina grounded out to first 1 out

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:49 PM
Desmond singles to center

Puffy
06-04-2010, 08:52 PM
The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:53 PM
The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

Which one?

Wild pitch advances Desmond to 2nd

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:53 PM
Nieves strikes out. 2 outs

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Livan has more ML at bats than any of the three hitters preceding him. The bottom of this lineup is YOUNG! :eek:

toledodan
06-04-2010, 08:55 PM
and harang pitching to him like he's babe ruth

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Hernandez walks. 1st and 2nd for the Nats

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 08:57 PM
Hernandez walks.
UGH! Aaron was having trouble locating his slider (keeps throwing it in the dirt) and that ball four was a fastball. Yikes! :eek: Hope he loosens up soon.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 08:59 PM
A single by Guzman over O.Cab's head ties it up.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:02 PM
Another slider hits the dirt against Guzman and now he's gone to the curve with Morgan. Struck him out on a changeup. :)

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:02 PM
Guzman strikes out

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:03 PM
- R. Bernadina grounded out to first
- I. Desmond singled to right center
- I. Desmond to second on wild pitch
- W. Nieves struck out swinging
- L. Hernandez walked
- C. Guzman singled to shallow left center, I. Desmond scored, L. Hernandez to third
- N. Morgan struck out swinging

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:03 PM
54 pitches for Harang

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:04 PM
54 pitches for Harang
Looks like both teams are headed for a early visit to the bullpen.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:05 PM
BP grounds out

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:06 PM
Votto grounded out to second

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:07 PM
Rolen singles up the center

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:09 PM
Bruce K's and doesn't like it 3 outs.

VR
06-04-2010, 09:09 PM
that was a horrible call

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:10 PM
Top of the 3rd

- B. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- J. Votto grounded out to second
- S. Rolen singled to center
- J. Bruce struck out looking

55 pitches for Hernandez

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Gameday makes it look like that was ball four, not strike three...and there were only 4 pitches! I can see one, but THREE bad calls?!?! :angry:

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:12 PM
Zimmerman singles up the middle

Tom Servo
06-04-2010, 09:12 PM
Harang not fooling anybody.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Dunn singles up the middle. 1st and 2nd no outs

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Note to Aaron: Stop throwing that POS curve of yours. Figure out how to keep the slider out of the dirt...just don't hang one. ;)

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 09:17 PM
Willingham strikes out. 1 out

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:20 PM
I'll give Harang this: He's battling... He threw a slider over, then two in the dirt, then got another over...he refused to give Willingham a fastball and wouldn't go to his curve. Struck him out on a changeup. Keep fighting Aaron! :thumbup: The guys will score some runs for you.

mbgrayson
06-04-2010, 09:20 PM
Bernadina chips a single to short center, run scores.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:20 PM
Harang: Clearly the weak link of the rotation ... and no, I'm not just now figuring this out.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:22 PM
I'll give Harang this: He's battling... He threw a slider over, then two in the dirt, then got another over...he refused to give Willingham a fastball and wouldn't go to his curve. Struck him out on a changeup. Keep fighting Aaron! :thumbup: The guys will score some runs for you.

He even nibbles against the opposing pitcher. The guy is barely holding on to his career as a starter. Nibble, nibble, nibble ... extremely hittable when he finally does come in the zone ... not a good recipe.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:25 PM
He even nibbles against the opposing pitcher. The guy is barely holding on to his career as a starter. Nibble, nibble, nibble ... extremely hittable when he finally does come in the zone ... not a good recipe.
I'm not sure he's nibbling...he just plain doesn't know where the slider is going today. But your right, he's afraid to throw the fastball for a strike. He did throw a meatball to Dunner on the first pitch, but I think that was because he was 99% sure Dunn wouldn't swing.

GoReds
06-04-2010, 09:26 PM
At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:30 PM
At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.

Wow, I thought I was being harsh. Can't release him with what he's getting paid, and he's still probably the best option the team has as the No. 5 starter, but there is no question he is the weak link of the rotation. I'm not sure a guy like Matt Maloney would be any better though. Heck, couldn't be much worse though. (I'm talking Harang of 2009-10.)

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:31 PM
At the ballgame...

Time for Harang to go. He's part of the old Reds losing ways...just don't think he knows how to be part of a winning team.


Aw c'mon, he's not TRYING to lose. Right now, I'd say he's a servicable 5th starter...I think he can improve a little on that. I think he goes in a trading deadline deal for sure, but I'd like to see him get SOME return. But yeah, he definitely shouldn't be in our ong range plans. We can't afford to pay #2 pitcher rates for our 5th starter. ;)

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:33 PM
I don't think he's saying Harang is trying to lose, just that he's a loser. Not sure I completely agree with that, but I think that's the gist of what he's saying.

kaldaniels
06-04-2010, 09:35 PM
So is he saying Harang would be good if on the Pirates?

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:35 PM
Harang with a K!! Livan threw him three straight strikes. Pay attention Aaron! That's how you pitch to the opposing pitcher. ;)

GoReds
06-04-2010, 09:40 PM
I don't think Harang is a loser personally, but he lokks totally intimidated by the Nats lineup. 81 pitches in three innings - the bottom of the lineup is hitting under 230 and they own Harang. He is pitching scared. I don't know how else to describe it.

kaldaniels
06-04-2010, 09:44 PM
Time for the bats to wake up...

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 09:46 PM
Balk on Hernandez moves Cabrera to 2nd.

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 09:47 PM
Harang is clearly no longer the stud he was, but he's getting killed with bloops and weak grounders yet again. Sure, he's a had a few balls stung, but I can think of at least 3 hits that were weak contact.

When you have to face that many batters, your pitch count is going to be up there. By my count, he's used 98 pitches on 25 batters. That's 3.9 P/PA -- not ideal, but not exactly horrible or evidence that he's avoiding guys.

And of course, his slider hasn't been right all year -- as that wild pitch showed.

GoReds
06-04-2010, 09:47 PM
Rain drops...

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 09:50 PM
Phillips singles in a run. Tie game 2-2.

VR
06-04-2010, 09:52 PM
Just another horrbile call. Joey is not happy.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:52 PM
Just another horrbile call. Joey is not happy.

Yeah, that was waaaaaay inside IMO.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 09:54 PM
Votto grounds into a 4-6-3 DP.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 09:55 PM
Rolen pops out. 2-2 mid 5th.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 09:56 PM
The bats look lost again Livan. They need to be patient and rack up his pitch count.

Harang has not looked good. Way too many men on base, but he's at least limited the damage. His biggest blunder was walking Livan. That was a killer.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:56 PM
I think Harang would be an excellent pitcher with 11 fielders in the the old Boston Braves (allegedly 550 to dead center) stadium. :evil:

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 09:57 PM
Harang out. Owings in. I thought for sure Dusty would try to give Harang another inning. Very interesting.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:57 PM
Wow. Can't say I'm upset about this though.

VR
06-04-2010, 09:57 PM
Harang out. Owings in. Interesting.

indeed. Something has to be up.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:58 PM
Interesting that it's Owings v Dunn ... the main guys in the trade.

Puffy
06-04-2010, 09:59 PM
The bats look lost again Livan. They need to be patient and rack up his pitch count.

Harang has not looked good. Way too many men on base, but he's at least limited the damage. His biggest blunder was walking Livan. That was a killer.

Hernandez had not given up more than 5 hits to any team in a home start this year. Thru 5 he has given up 7. The Reds bats aren't lost I don't think. They are actually handling Hernandez quite well.

The bad news is that hot girl is apparently with that dude sitting next to her. Just a FYI

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 09:59 PM
K!

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 09:59 PM
Harang out. Owings in. I thought for sure Dusty would try to give Harang another inning. Very interesting.

98 pitches. Harang obviously couldn't get the handle on his slider, so he wasn't going to keep us in this game much longer. With Owings we have a better chance. I agree with Dusty! :thumbup:

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:03 PM
The Dunner is growing up...he swung at all three of those strikes. ;)

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:10 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging.
Willingham grounds out to Cabrera.
Bernadina walks.
Desmond grounds out to Phillips.

I http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Owings in middle relief!

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:11 PM
Jay with a gift there. Clearly a strike IMO. But I'll take the walk thankyouverymuch.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:11 PM
Jay with a gift there. Clearly a strike IMO

They showed a replay...it was out of the zone (albeit by only a bit)

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Bruce is caught stealing.

VR
06-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Both those strike calls on Stubbs were iffy, at best.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Marty & Brantley both begging Bruce to run. Well, they got their wish. Nailed at 2nd.

VR
06-04-2010, 10:15 PM
and now ball 3 was closer than both of them. lol

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Stubbs attempt here early in the count too.

VR
06-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Bruce attempt here early in the count too.

agree

Puffy
06-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Drew Stubbs - in his last 2 at bats - has seen 12 pitches. He has taken all 12 pitches. I don't think he is seeing the ball very well from Hernandez. He does have 2 walks though, so maybe he just doesn't want the 4 fastballs he has gotten. Hey, its gotten him on base all three times so its working!

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:18 PM
i want to see stubbs running here at 2-2.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:19 PM
And Stubbs wasn't running. I don't think he could've scored, but he could've been at least at 3rd.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:20 PM
Sucks Bruce got caught, but I'm glad he tried. Nieves has not had good success this season.

I'd like to see Stubbs attempt here early in the count too.

Nieves is not in the Show for his bat. He's got a good arm though he hasn't shown it yet. That said, I 'd like to see Stubbs go too...Livan's 87mph heater isn't going to help them much either. :clap:

GADawg
06-04-2010, 10:21 PM
The blonde behind the plate - hubba hubba. And single (no wedding ring). Somebody fly me to DC stat!!

I was all about her at first then she just wouldn't quit freakin' texting...drives me crazy...alot of coin to dish out for a seat to text in.

btw...anyone hear Keels say that the Tigers and Ford Motor company gave a corvette to Gallarraga? When did Ford start making corvettes? Paul you have a great voice but you're still just a talking empty head. Also Paul it's never referred to as a "batting box".

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:22 PM
Damnit. Nice play Bernadina (sp?)

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:23 PM
I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:24 PM
I was all about her at first then she just wouldn't quit freakin' texting...drives me crazy...alot of coin to dish out for a seat to text in.

btw...anyone hear Keels say that the Tigers and Ford Motor company gave a corvette to Gallarraga? When did Ford start making corvettes? Paul you have a great voice but you're still just a talking empty head. Also Paul it's never referred to as a "batting box".

Maybe he made a mistake on the Ford part... But he did get one...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Armando-Galarraga-receives-a-Corvette-consolatio?urn=mlb,245508

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:26 PM
I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.
Yea, if Gameday is to be believed, this is one of the worst umps in the history of baseball. Inside the black on the outside corner is a ball and a foot outside is a strike. On one at bat (Bruce) Livan missed inside AND outside and both were called strikes. :dunno:

durl
06-04-2010, 10:28 PM
So it looks like I haven't missed the Reds offensive explosion tonight. At least it's good to finally be watching the game.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:32 PM
Herrera & Del Rosario up warming.

Homer Bailey
06-04-2010, 10:33 PM
I think Gameday's broken. That last called strike to Owings was shown as a foot outside.

It's not broken. On the Nats broadcast they replayed it and showed how incredibly far outside that pitch was. Just awful.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:33 PM
Come on Micah. Pay attention to the HITTER!

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:34 PM
Come'on Owings.... get the ball over the plate

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 10:34 PM
Owings has no clue where the pitches are going. Somewhat suprising he's as successful as he is.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Owings has no clue where the pitches are going. Somewhat suprising he's as successful as he is.

He seemed fine until that Kennedy guy got on and he started paying all his attention to the runner instead of the hitter.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Zimmerman walks. Bases are loaded for Adam Dunn.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Here comes DRH!

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:37 PM
The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 10:37 PM
He seemed fine until that Kennedy guy got on and he started paying all his attention to the runner instead of the hitter.

Not an isolated incindent IMO. He seems to be this way everytime I see him "throw".

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:39 PM
The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

Umm, they were, weren't they? Owings came considerably later than when Dunn arrived correct? PTBNL

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 10:39 PM
The Nationals announcer is worse than Keels. He just said Owings and Dunn were teammates for a short time in AZ. Uhh....

Technically true IIRC. Micah was on the DL at the time of the trade and was a PTNL. So both were on the DBacks payroll at the same time.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:39 PM
Yeah, I guess that's true. I forgot Owings didn't come till later. They never played together though!

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:39 PM
Herrera in to face Dunn with the bases loaded.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:40 PM
DRH got it done on 1 pitch. Nice work little man!

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:40 PM
DRH, 1 pitch, 1 out... Allw as needed.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Dunn grounds out to first on the first pitch. 2-2 after 6.

durl
06-04-2010, 10:40 PM
Herrera, the leftie specialist, gets the out!!!

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:41 PM
Bruce walks.
Gomes lines out to left.
Bruce caught stealing second.
Stubbs walks.
Hernandez singles, Stubbs to 2nd.
Owings lines out to right.



Nieves grounds out to Rolen.
Pinch hitter Adam Kennedy singles to right field.
Guzman pops out to Cabrera.
Morgan walks, Kennedy to 2nd.
Zimmerman walks, Morgan to 2nd, Kennedy to 3rd.
Herrera in to pitch.
Dunn grounds out to Votto.


At the end of 6 complete, Reds 2 - Nats 2

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:41 PM
This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:42 PM
2-0 Cards bottom 5 if anyone was thinking about it.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:43 PM
This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.
at 76mph that was one of the slowest moving sliders ever too! :D Dunner had no idea what to do with it...you can only keep your hands back soo long. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:43 PM
Clippard in. This reliever's numbers just blow me away. 7-3 with a 1.77 earnie. 10 decisions for a reliever BEFORE the ASB. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Cabrera strikes out swinging on 3 pitches

WVRedsFan
06-04-2010, 10:45 PM
The first two pitches looked outside to me on OC. Oh well.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:45 PM
Clippard is a guy I really wanted the Reds to go after when he was a Yankee because he was so low on their depth chart at the time.

Clippard is absolutely fooling Reds hitters.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:45 PM
Phillips grounds out to short.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:46 PM
Wouldn't surprise me to see Clippard make the All Star team. Not in the least.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:46 PM
Votto singles to center.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:47 PM
Clippard in. This reliever's numbers just blow me away. 7-3 with a 1.77 earnie. 10 decisions for a reliever BEFORE the ASB. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

and 0 saves with 5 blown saves to go with that. Odd stats.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:48 PM
and 0 saves with 5 blown saves to go with that. Odd stats.

I know. Everything about his numbers are just weird. But the ones people pay attention to (wins & era) are both solid.

klw
06-04-2010, 10:48 PM
This has GOT to be one of the slowest moving games I've EVER listened to. Wow.

Well just wait until the rain delay that hits in about 45 minutes if they aren't done by then.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Rolen strikes out. 2-2 mid 7th.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:49 PM
What was Rolen swinging at?!? A good foot or more above the zone.

I'll give the kid credit though. More than a 10 mph difference between his FB & change up. And he made the meat of our order look pretty pedestrian.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:51 PM
Del Rosario on the hill.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:51 PM
Cardinals are up 2-0 on the Brewers in the bottom of the 6th.

WebScorpion
06-04-2010, 10:51 PM
I know. Everything about his numbers are just weird. But the ones people pay attention to (wins & era) are both solid.

He's had 4 games where he let inherited runners score to blow the save and shuts them down for the next inning for the win. :eek: I guess he can't pitch from the stretch.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:51 PM
Cardinals are up 2-0 on the Brewers in the bottom of the 6th.

Let me guess. Wainwright.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:52 PM
Let me guess. Wainwright.You got it. 2 hitter so far.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 10:52 PM
Let me guess. Wainwright.

yup

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 10:52 PM
I hate that guy.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:53 PM
Willingham leads off with a single.

durl
06-04-2010, 10:54 PM
I'm surprised Del Rosario didn't go back to the corner again. That was a good pitch.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 10:55 PM
Gomes' defense is beginning to haunt the Reds. UGH. That is very frustrating.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:55 PM
Wow. Stubbs and Gomes run into each other and no one makes what should have been an easy catch.

durl
06-04-2010, 10:56 PM
Unbelievable!!! Gomes blew that one. That should never happen on such a easy fly-out.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:56 PM
Cabrera took a shot on a pickoff try at 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:58 PM
Now 4-0 Cards and with Wainwright pitching that game is pretty much over.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 10:58 PM
Desmond singles to left. The throw home is way off line and the Nationals lead 3-2.

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Did they give Stubbs an error in that play? He did everything right. Gomes has to let Stubbs catch that.
If anything, Stubbs had too good of range on that play.

oneupper
06-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Sloppy Play = Losing baseball.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:00 PM
Del Rosario makes a good stop on the bunt looks to 3rd. No one is there covering 3rd. They throw to first and it looks like Phillips hurt his arm/hand as the runner ran into him.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:00 PM
Did they give Stubbs an error in that play? He did everything right. Gomes has to let Stubbs catch that.
If anything, Stubbs had too good of range on that play.

It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Are you kidding me...

edabbs44
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

Yeah, just rewatched and Gomes was camped under it.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
What the heck was Stubbs thinking? He was very un-aggressive about throwing the ball to the plate. What were you thinking?

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Crappy luck. The throw hits the mound and bounces off to let him score. 4-2

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Sac fly makes it 4-2. The throw at first looked good but hits the mound. What a nightmare this inning has been.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Who just got tossed? Brantley's almost impossible to follow this inning. Sheesh. Joe West just threw somebody out...no clue who.

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Man... can't catch a break this inning. I think Stubbs would've had him. Joe West to the rescue?

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Sac fly makes it 4-2. The throw at first looked good but hits the mound. What a nightmare this inning has been.

Stubbs did not throw the ball very aggressively at all.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Desmond got tossed.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Absolutely terrible by Stubbs. It was like he didn't think the runner was actually going to tag up and try for home. He didn't rush the throw at all ... way too casual. At least the runner is out at third, but Stubbs cost the Reds a run by mentally loafing.

oneupper
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Desmond out? Tag or appeal?

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Who just got tossed?

Desmond - the runner who ended up at 3B. I'm guessing he used some choice language in his protest of the calling being changed.

Looks like Desmond was off the bag, but he could have an argument that Rolen inadvertently push his foot off the bag while making the tag...

durl
06-04-2010, 11:03 PM
Came off the bag at 3B, apparently.

CTA513
06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
So which team is the Nationals tonight?

guttle11
06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Uh, what the heck just happened? Country Joe being Country Joe. Desmond must have said something very bad, very quickly.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks guys.

oneupper
06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Came off the bag at 3B, apparently.

Its 4-2, right? TV showing 3-2

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Yeah, 4-2. Gameday's still showing 3-2 too.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:05 PM
Basically what happened is Desmond slid into 3rd his momemtum took him off the bag for a second and Rolen tagged him. It looked like Desmond was trying to call time but he was already out.

durl
06-04-2010, 11:05 PM
Did a slow-mo on the DVR. Desmond's foot slid off the bag and Rolen put the tag back down. I believe the Nats want to say that he was pulled off but it's CLEAR that Rolen didn't do that.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Drew Storen in to pitch

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

guttle11
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Desmond would have made that play. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Infield hit for Bruce

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Bruce with an IF single to short.

oneupper
06-04-2010, 11:07 PM
The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

I'm remembering a trapped ball that was reversed in a REDS game. So no.

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:07 PM
Gomes with a 385 foot out to CF.

GoReds
06-04-2010, 11:07 PM
Don't know if its fallout from the Gallaraga incident or what, but the aren't showing ANY replays at the ballpark.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:07 PM
Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

From who?? I don't see anyone cutting Stubbs a break. It was AWFUL. He has not played well in the OF tonight.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:07 PM
The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

That makes no sense. I have never heard of that. I don't know why they could not reverse the call.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:08 PM
Stubbs continues to get a free pass despite poor play.

? You mean the error? Or the throw to the plate?

He's been on base all three times tonight.

durl
06-04-2010, 11:08 PM
Gomes needed to do something to atone for that terrible blunder that gave the Nats the lead. A fly-out ain't it.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:09 PM
Stubbs grounds into a 6-4 FC.

edabbs44
06-04-2010, 11:09 PM
That makes no sense. I have never heard of that. I don't know why they could not reverse the call.

They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:10 PM
The Nats announcers are saying that the call cannot be reversed since it as a judgment call and not a rules interpretation. I've never heard that before... is that founded in anything or are they just making it up?

Well if it's Dibble, we can't expect him to understand the rules Carpenter, the pbp guy is even worse.

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:11 PM
They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

But if they tell him that they saw a tag applied while the guy was off the base, can that guy reverse his own call. I realize it's semantics, but I don't think the 3rd base umpire was being overruled per se'.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:11 PM
They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

It makes sense that the one closest should have been in the best position to call it but if he asked for help or maybe one of others ump saw him come off the bag they should be able to reverse it.

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:12 PM
They were saying that the other umps, who were across the field, must have reversed it b/c the one who was right there called him safe. And that those guys shouldn't have been able to reverse.

Many times, the umps will overturn an ump whose call it is, if he was blocked, not positioned well, or just didn't get as good a look as another ump. So they are wrong about that.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2010, 11:12 PM
From who?? I don't see anyone cutting Stubbs a break. It was AWFUL. He has not played well in the OF tonight.

I noticed you saw the same thing I did with the lazy throw on the tag up. I shouldn't say everyone is giving him a free pass; I just feel most Reds fans do. The guy just doesn't do it for me. He's fast. Period.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:13 PM
Hernandez strikes out swinging on a 96 MPH fastball. 4-2 Nationals mid 8th

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:14 PM
Reds should be ahead now, but have no one to blame but themselves for being behind.

CTA513
06-04-2010, 11:15 PM
Anyone know when Clippard will be a free agent?

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:18 PM
It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

It always the centefielders ball unless you don't hear him call for it. The replay clearly showed Stubbs screaming off Gomes, but Gomes just didn't hear him. Centerfield is the captian of the outfield and the lf and rf always have to defer to him.

I think on that play Gomes never thought that Stubbs could reach it, but he was just as camped under it as Gomes

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:19 PM
Nice play by Cabrera to save a possible error on a 2-6 FC.

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:19 PM
Del Rosario less than impressive in his short tenure in the bigs, but he's not alone in this bullpen. Clock seems to be striking 12 on this team. It is June after all. ;)

Cedric
06-04-2010, 11:19 PM
Call it dramatic if you want... Del Rosario pitching in high leverage situations is a sign of where this team is headed.

The guy looks AAA at best.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:23 PM
Rhodes in to face Dunn

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:24 PM
Whose hit the ball hard against Del Roserio? He's not striking fear in the hearts of the hitters, but they are getting good swings against him either. He looks a lot better than some of the other guys in the pen so far this year, imo

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:25 PM
Whose hit the ball hard against Del Roserio? He's not striking fear in the hearts of the hitters, but they are getting good swings against him either. He looks a lot better than some of the other guys in the pen so far this year, imo

Fairly low barometer.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 4-2 Nationals after 8.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Rally Onion time?

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:27 PM
Pinch hitter, Cabrera and Phillips due up.

RedsMan3203
06-04-2010, 11:27 PM
John Wooden just passed away at the age of 99.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 11:28 PM
Please tell me Nix won't pinch hit. He won't get a hit

oneupper
06-04-2010, 11:28 PM
Please tell me Nix won't pinch hit. He won't get a hit

He will and he won't

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
Matt Capps in to pitch and Nix is pinch hitting

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
John Wooden just passed away at the age of 99.

*sigh* RIP Coach. It seemed like Wooden would go on forever. It's been a sad week.

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
He will and he won't

:D

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
Nix singles to left.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
Thank God I was wrong!

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:30 PM
When he was a Pirate, Capps had problems with the Reds.

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:30 PM
ball 3

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:30 PM
Cabrera flies out to left on a 2-0 count.

VR
06-04-2010, 11:33 PM
Phillips and Ocab both swing at balls.

Tom Servo
06-04-2010, 11:33 PM
alright, up to the heart of the lineup here.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:33 PM
Bloop single to right for Phillips. His 3rd hit of the night. 1st and 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:33 PM
Way to go Brandon! 1st & 2nd now for Votto.

What's that smell? My eyes are tearing up. :O)

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:34 PM
Phillips coming through with a single. 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd, Votto up. Come on Joey!

klw
06-04-2010, 11:35 PM
I took my contacts out without realizing my glasses are upstairs. If something happens please type really large so i can read it.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:35 PM
Votto strikes out looking.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:35 PM
Votto strikes out looking. Boo. Heckuva a pitch though.

Can Rolen save the day? A double would probably tie it.

TheNext44
06-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Keels more excited about Votto called looking than any homer the Reds ever hit

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Hoe did Joey miss that 2nd pitch? Even Dibble said he should have hit that out of the park.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Votto K's Just for you klw.

Tom Servo
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
damn

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
Nope...terrible swing by Rolen to pop out at the plate. Nats win. That game sucked.

edabbs44
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
fudge

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
Rolen fouls out to the catcher. Reds lose 4-2.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
Crud. Pop out to end it.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2010, 11:38 PM
With the Cards up 7-0 the Reds are back in 2nd place.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2010, 11:38 PM
With the Cards up 7-0 the Reds are back in 2nd place.

Make it 8-0

Cedric
06-04-2010, 11:39 PM
Cabrera hacking was the key to that inning failing. He allowed Capps to settle down and get back into rhythm.

Just one game and it happens... Get um tomorrow.

RedsManRick
06-04-2010, 11:39 PM
Plenty of blame to go around but you can bet Jonny Gomes isn't feeling too hot right now.

klw
06-04-2010, 11:40 PM
Votto K's Just for you klw.

Thanks I could have done without reading that but the thought was appreciated.

VR
06-04-2010, 11:40 PM
It was in Gomes' territory and Gomes was in front of it. It should've been his, but he was too worried about colliding with Stubbs.

That's the centerfielder's ball 100 times out of 100. You always defer to your best defender when he calls for it.....especially when it's right between them.

Gomes has given it up in the last two losses.

Degenerate39
06-04-2010, 11:40 PM
I think the Reds take the next two games

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:40 PM
Plenty of blame to go around but you can bet Jonny Gomes isn't feeling too hot right now.

The whole team took a dump. Only Rhodes did his job.

CTA513
06-04-2010, 11:41 PM
Can't play sloppy baseball and expect to win even if it's against a bad team.

alloverjr
06-04-2010, 11:41 PM
That's the centerfielder's ball 100 times out of 100. You always defer to your best defender when he calls for it.....especially when it's right between them.

Gomes has given it up in the last two losses.

Nix tomorrow?

Cedric
06-04-2010, 11:42 PM
I sure as hell hope Gomes plays tomorrow. It's not like Nix is exactly hot right now.

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2010, 11:43 PM
They better win the next 2....or else I will just believe it's like last year again.
Same June swoon.