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GOYA
06-07-2010, 04:33 PM
Have fun with the draft tonight, boys. I'm going to see Chapman in person for the first time tonight. I hope to bring back some pics.

Anyone have any pic requests other than Chapman?

GIDP
06-07-2010, 04:50 PM
Have fun with the draft tonight, boys. I'm going to see Chapman in person for the first time tonight. I hope to bring back some pics.

Anyone have any pic requests other than Chapman?

Photos of who ever has the best cleveage at the park tonight. Thanks.

TRF
06-07-2010, 04:51 PM
I'd like some news about Valaika and how he is defensively. pics'd be cool too.

GOYA
06-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Valaika is very solid at 2B. He has trouble with throws from SS and 3B but fields well over there. Cozart has more range and a better arm.

I'll try to get shots of Chapman, Valaika, Alonso, Frazier and Cozart.

Anyone else?

GOYA
06-07-2010, 04:57 PM
Photos of who ever has the best cleveage at the park tonight. Thanks.

How about 2nd best? Best will be my date, without a doubt. ;) :D

GIDP
06-07-2010, 04:57 PM
How about 2nd best? Best will be my date, without a doubt. ;) :D

:laugh:

GIDP
06-07-2010, 05:02 PM
Apparently I was being "rude"

Sorry to everyone I offended. :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
06-07-2010, 05:42 PM
From Jamie Ramsey:


OH HENRY
Dayton's Henry Rodriguez today was named the Midwest League Player of the Week for 5/31-6/6...in 6 games he batted .458 (11-24) with 1 HR, 6 RBI and 5 runs scored.

http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/06/reds-farm-report-6710.html

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 06:06 PM
From Jamie Ramsey:



http://ramsey.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/06/reds-farm-report-6710.html


Not just a week, but his last 10 games have been great.

Joseph
06-07-2010, 06:12 PM
I'll be there too Goya. Wife's work rented a suite for something or other and I get to tag along.

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 08:19 PM
2.0IP 6H 7R 7ER 6BB 1K

Rough night for Chapman.

He's been removed from the game.

OnBaseMachine
06-07-2010, 08:26 PM
Wow, what a rough night for Chapman.

schmidty622
06-07-2010, 08:27 PM
2.0IP 6H 7R 7ER 6BB 1K

Rough night for Chapman.

He's been removed from the game.

Dude is a reliever. period.

OnBaseMachine
06-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Dude is a reliever. period.

No, he's a starter. Period.

Homer Bailey
06-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Yuck.

schmidty622
06-07-2010, 08:30 PM
No, he's a starter. Period.

A bad one.

dougdirt
06-07-2010, 08:31 PM
A bad one.

One game. It is one game.

JayBruce
06-07-2010, 08:32 PM
One game. It is one game.

First one he's had, right Doug?

OnBaseMachine
06-07-2010, 08:33 PM
A bad one.

Yeah, that one bad game means he's an awful starter. Good grief. Everyone knew he was raw when the Reds signed him. If you expected him to be Cy Young right away then that's your fault.

JayBruce
06-07-2010, 08:35 PM
Yeah, that one bad game means he's an awful starter. Good grief. Everyone knew he was raw when the Reds signed him. If you expected him to be Cy Young right away then that's your fault.

5 Mil per walk...i like it.

schmidty622
06-07-2010, 08:36 PM
one game. It is one game.

52.2 46 23 20 4 28 0 60 1 0 5 223 1.405 7.9 0.7 4.8 10.3 2.14

A 1.4 whip in the minors is terrible. He needs at least another full year down there.

dougdirt
06-07-2010, 08:38 PM
52.2 46 23 20 4 28 0 60 1 0 5 223 1.405 7.9 0.7 4.8 10.3 2.14

How many times have you watched him play?

schmidty622
06-07-2010, 08:40 PM
How many times have you watched him play?

The same amount of times as I have watched Cozart. The stats tell the story.

JayBruce
06-07-2010, 08:40 PM
The same amount of times as I have watched Cozart. The stats tell the story.

oh no you di'int

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 08:41 PM
I couldn't tell this was the "Minor League Game Thread" for tonight, even after reading it 6 times and posting to it already.

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 08:41 PM
Carroll is continuing to keep runners from scoring in the Southern League.

1.08 going into tonight's start (3 starts...16.2 IP).

7 innings so far tonight for Carolina (2 runs, but none earned...just 3 hits tonight, but 4 Walks). 0.76 ERA after tonight.

dougdirt
06-07-2010, 08:47 PM
The same amount of times as I have watched Cozart. The stats tell the story.

I figured your answer would be something similar to this....

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 08:59 PM
Bray in for Hotchkiss....

Hotchkiss tonight:

5.0IP 5H 2ER 2R 1BB 3K 1HR (updated 1.80 ERA)

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 09:02 PM
Bray strikes out the side in the 6th!

mdccclxix
06-07-2010, 09:03 PM
Bray strikes out the side in the 6th!

that's good news, I hope he's as hungry and ready than ever.

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 09:17 PM
They're letting Bray go 2 innings in only his 2nd appearance.

I didn't see that coming.

That's great news if he's that healthy.

2.0IP 0H 0R 0ER 0BB 4K

KoryMac5
06-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Anyone thinking Chapman is a finished piece of work is wrong. The Reds knew he needed some work when they signed him and he is getting that work in AAA. You have to temper your expectations for this kid as he is going to have a bad start or two along the way. I saw him in Rochester NY when he got bombed a few weeks back, he's going to have some games like this, you have to learn to be able to roll with it because the guys upside is through the roof.

Really excited about Bray I would imagine depending on how he feels that we will see him in Redsland soon. Need one more reliever to complement Rhodes, hopefully Bray works out.

Vottomatic
06-07-2010, 09:20 PM
Anyone thinking Chapman is a finished piece of work is wrong. The Reds knew he needed some work when they signed him and he is getting that work in AAA. You have to temper your expectations for this kid as he is going to have a bad start or two along the way. I saw him in Rochester NY when he got bombed a few weeks back, he's going to have some games like this, you have to learn to be able to roll with it because the guys upside is through the roof.

Really excited about Bray I would imagine depending on how he feels that we will see him in Redsland soon. Need one more reliever to complement Rhodes, hopefully Bray works out.

From the beginning I didn't expect Chapman to be up this year, except for maybe a September call up where he might get in a blowout just to get his feet wet.

camisadelgolf
06-07-2010, 09:29 PM
Chapman is 22 years old, and it was ONE FREAKIN' START.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/9/633774963280280015-Overreaction.jpg

flyer85
06-07-2010, 09:30 PM
From the beginning I didn't expect Chapman to be up this year, except for maybe a September call up where he might get in a blowout just to get his feet wet.IMO most did expect contributions at the MLB. And with the structure of his contract it wasn't designed for the Reds to wait a couple of years to get a productive pitcher. I honestly would like to see him get a shot as a reliever. The bullpen needs help now.

They can move him back to a starter next year.

Vottomatic
06-07-2010, 09:33 PM
IMO most did expect contributions at the MLB. And with the structure of his contract it wasn't designed for the Reds to wait a couple of years to get a productive pitcher. I honestly would like to see him get a shot as a reliever. The bullpen needs help now.

They can move him back to a starter next year.

Not the way I remember it. If they brought him up too fast, I heard it accelerated his contract.

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Surprise. Surprise.

Alonso homers.

GOYA
06-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Well, I left that one early. Beautiful night for baseball. Ugly baseball for the night.

I'll get the pics processed and uploaded tomorrow.

PuffyPig
06-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Dude is a reliever. period.

Even though you've had over 1000 posts on this board, I'd bet a hundred dollars that this was your worse, without lokking at any of your others.

GOYA
06-07-2010, 10:23 PM
One large pic for tonight.

Castillo sort of says it all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/GOYA_551st/014.jpg

mace
06-07-2010, 10:23 PM
It has become extremely difficult to follow these minor-league teams on a nightly basis. This time, they ALL lost, including the two rookie-league teams. (Dayton was off.)

Tony Cloninger
06-07-2010, 10:25 PM
I agree Mace...... is there much to be enthused about besides maybe Chapman, David, maybe a couple of pitchers? in Double A.

Kingspoint
06-07-2010, 10:33 PM
Power's looking trimmer than his days when he pitched.

NeilHamburger
06-07-2010, 10:57 PM
I don't think it's wrong to be extremely dissapointed by this outing. I had some hope of Chapman coming up and being usefull to the Reds in July or August of this year.

Now, I don't think he'll be of much use. In his last 4 outings this is his second just terrible outing.

I'm begining to wonder if he should even be in AAA, or if maybe he needs to go a lower level and be built from the ground up.

And if the above is the case it could very well be 2012 before he's ready for MLB.

OnBaseMachine
06-07-2010, 11:00 PM
Another reason why I'm in favor of leaving Chapman in Triple-A as a starter instead of promoting him to the majors as a reliever - he went almost a full year without pitching in meaningful games after he defected from Cuba. He needs to continue starting every fifth day and building up his arm strength. JMO.

nemesis
06-07-2010, 11:06 PM
Give him the whole year in AAA. Get him 150ish innings. There are plenty of other options to help the ML club. (LeCure, Wood, Maloney, Volquez maybe even Klinker) Why push someone when there isn't any direct need (other than to satisfy quick triggered, impatient fans) to promote him before he is ready. It behooves the Reds to keep him down all year. They will get a couple extra years out of the deal because of it. Get Bray into the bullpen as the LH vs screwing with Chapman's development. Makes so much more sense logically.

Blitz Dorsey
06-07-2010, 11:55 PM
Don't freak out over one start. He's been overall very good through his first 10 starts. Only two poor outings in his first 10 pro starts. (And now three in 11 starts.) He will be more than fine.

It's crazy to think he's going to spend the whole year at AAA.

bubbachunk
06-08-2010, 12:07 AM
Don't freak out over one start. He's been overall very good through his first 10 starts. Only two poor outings in his first 10 pro starts. (And now three in 11 starts.) He will be more than fine.

It's crazy to think he's going to spend the whole year at AAA.

How so? Unless the injury bug hits the team hard he will have to flat out dominate to push somebody out of the rotation.

fearofpopvol1
06-08-2010, 01:02 AM
It doesn't bother me that Chapman had a bad outing. It happens. This outing will hopefully solidify the Reds keeping him in AAA longer, which he needs. I do not want to see him rushed under any circumstances.

He's just not ready for The Show yet. I think he could be ready by September though (in a bullpen role), especially if they keep his innings down.

OnBaseMachine
06-08-2010, 01:33 AM
It kind of boggles my mind that people are already complaining about Chapman and saying he's nothing more than a reliever. People are too impatient. Let's take a look at where other star pitchers were at when they were 22 years old.

Randy Johnson walked 94 batters in 119.2 innings (7.1 BB/9) in Single-A as a 22 year old. He then walked 128 batters in 140 innings in Double-A as a 23 year old.

Tim Lincecum walked 63 batters in 125.1 innings (4.5 BB/9) in college as a 22 year old.

Chris Carpenter had a 4.0 BB/9 as a 22 year old in Double-A.

Adam Wainwright had a 4.0 BB/9 as a 22 year old in AAA.

Johan Santana had a 5.0 BB/9 in AAA at age 23.

And none of those guys had to go through what Chapman is going through. The cultural adjustment for Chapman is just unimaginable. I know we all wish he would post a sub 1.00 ERA and strike everybody out and force his way into the majors immediately but the fact is, he needs some seasoning in the minors. I think his dominance in spring training kind of fooled us all (including me) into thinking he was ready to dominate major league hitters when in reality he needed some time in the minor leagues. After all, he hadn't pitched in a competitive games since early in 2009.

I'm absolutely thrilled to have him in the organization. He's got an incredible future ahead of him, IMO. A lefty that throws 100 MPH and has three ridiculously good pitches and has clean mechanics. He just needs to improve his control and gain consistent command of his pitches. When he does, he has a chance to be a very special pitcher.

powersackers
06-08-2010, 02:08 AM
It kind of boggles my mind that people are already complaining about Chapman and saying he's nothing more than a reliever. People are too impatient. Let's take a look at where other star pitchers were at when they were 22 years old.

Randy Johnson walked 94 batters in 119.2 innings (7.1 BB/9) in Single-A as a 22 year old. He then walked 128 batters in 140 innings in Double-A as a 23 year old.

Tim Lincecum walked 63 batters in 125.1 innings (4.5 BB/9) in college as a 22 year old.

Chris Carpenter had a 4.0 BB/9 as a 22 year old in Double-A.

Adam Wainwright had a 4.0 BB/9 as a 22 year old in AAA.

Johan Santana had a 5.0 BB/9 in AAA at age 23.

And none of those guys had to go through what Chapman is going through. The cultural adjustment for Chapman is just unimaginable. I know we all wish he would post a sub 1.00 ERA and strike everybody out and force his way into the majors immediately but the fact is, he needs some seasoning in the minors. I think his dominance in spring training kind of fooled us all (including me) into thinking he was ready to dominate major league hitters when in reality he needed some time in the minor leagues. After all, he hadn't pitched in a competitive games since early in 2009.

I'm absolutely thrilled to have him in the organization. He's got an incredible future ahead of him, IMO. A lefty that throws 100 MPH and has three ridiculously good pitches and has clean mechanics. He just needs to improve his control and gain consistent command of his pitches. When he does, he has a chance to be a very special pitcher.

I'm new here... I'll keep coming back to read excellent posts like the above.

OnBaseMachine
06-08-2010, 02:26 AM
I'm new here... I'll keep coming back to read excellent posts like the above.

Thank you very much. Welcome to the board!:)

Kingspoint
06-08-2010, 03:32 AM
Johan Santana had a 5.0 BB/9 in AAA at age 23.



Not to mention what he did his first couple of years in the Majors, which is why I try to tell everyone that Homer Bailey is exactly where he's supposed to be at this point (same with Cueto).

medford
06-08-2010, 09:24 AM
nice post OBM.

RadfordVA
06-08-2010, 11:36 AM
Was at the Lynchburg game last night. Obviously was disapointed that Devin didnt stick around long enough for myself to see him at Salem. Few things I took away is there was a clear shortage of talent on display last night. No one really jumped out as someone to watch. Hotchkiss was effective. The best thing about the night was clearly Brays performance. He was overmatching them and faced most of Salems best hitters in his 2 innings. He was slightly wild but worked to his advantage with Red Sox swinging at most of his balls. For a club that needs bullpen help at the bigs it was great to see.

_Sir_Charles_
06-08-2010, 12:00 PM
IMO Chapman is a starter all the way. Yes he had a bad outing. He'll have his fair share of them. Wringing our hands over him struggling isn't even note worthy IMO. He should stay at AAA all season long. Even when he's going good, his control is shaky at best. He needs more time. But once he DOES straighten out his control, he's going to be a beast. Leave him down there, let him take the occasional lumps, let him get fully comfortable and don't add on the extra pressure of pitching in the bigs during a pennant chase (which is exactly what we'll be in). It was an ugly outing, but it was only ONE outing. Patience.

GOYA
06-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Pitches-strikes: Chapman 72-33

That tells the story. He hit 103 warming on the mound. 99 was the hardest he threw in the game. But velocities were quickly much slower after a few batters as he was apparently taking something off to get his pitches over. He was very hittable when he did get a ball in the zone. But it gives him (and Power) something to work on. Try to figure out what he was or wasn't doing to cause that lack of control. I don't think it's any reason to freak out. He just needs to pitch a lot of innings and get things figured out. There's no reason at all to think he can't be a dominant starter in the bigs. But to say he's close is a big mistake.

RedsManRick
06-08-2010, 02:07 PM
Between Leake and Strasburg, I think some people have a funny perspective on how quickly young pitchers should advance. The book on Chapman when we signed him was that he was inconsistent mechanically, struggled with his control from time to time and needed to refine his secondary pitches. None of this should be news.

Let's at least give the kid a year in the minors before we try and take him out of the rotation.

Boston Red
06-11-2010, 10:22 AM
Is Chapman pitching Saturday at Pawtucket? Taking the kids down from Boston for that one.

COM2010
06-11-2010, 11:27 AM
How about 2nd best? Best will be my date, without a doubt. ;) :D

Pics, or she's not your date. :D

GOYA
06-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Pics, or she's not your date. :D

OK, she wasn't my date. ;)