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Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 10:56 AM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82782

They're reaching.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 10:59 AM
Maybe they can bring someone up who will tell Dusty to stop trying to push his starters the extra inning, letting 2 guys get on base, not getting anyone out, and still have go to the pen anyways.

Been burned so many times this year by that.

OesterPoster
06-15-2010, 12:49 PM
At this point, doing something is better than doing nothing.

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 01:44 PM
At this point, doing something is better than doing nothing.

Kinda like when they signed Willy Taveras and Corey Patterson?

ian_madden
06-15-2010, 01:49 PM
Maybe they can bring someone up who will tell Dusty to stop trying to push his starters the extra inning, letting 2 guys get on base, not getting anyone out, and still have go to the pen anyways.

Been burned so many times this year by that.

Sooo? you trust this bullpen to go 4 or so innings?

GIDP
06-15-2010, 01:51 PM
Sooo? you trust this bullpen to go 4 or so innings?

I trust a fresh arm from our bullpen to have a scoreless inning more than I do have them come in an not allow an inherited run to score after a pitcher with 100+ pitches lets the 1st couple he faces get on, yes.

ian_madden
06-15-2010, 01:58 PM
Right now, I trust our starters to get more people out, regardless of number of pitches, than our bullpen. I don't see this message board calling out the starting pitch, like it needs help. We are calling out the bullpen, they are not doing their job.

I'll tell you what Dusty is thinking. "If I can get 1 more inning out of my starter, we might be able to hand the game over to 1 guy (any guy) in the 7th then Rhodes, then Coco. But if the starter can't get that extra inning, Dusty is now using 4 guys to cover 2 innings because we have a bunch of specialist that can't get their guys out.

Fresh arms aren't always the best route. If some one is "grooving", let them "groove". With our defense, we are always just a ground ball away from a double play.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 02:01 PM
Ive watched a handful of times hes sent the pitcher out for another inning and the pitcher couldnt finish the inning. We then bring in our relief and they give up a hit scoring 2 runs.

I would much rather let a struggling pen start off with a fresh inning instead of taking a struggling pen and tell them they have to strand guys. Thats what Im saying.

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 02:01 PM
I think Dusty continues to put some of our bullpen batting tees out there to send a message to Walt & Bob, by showing them how disastrous it is. He wants them to make a trade for some bullpen help.

bshall2105
06-15-2010, 02:07 PM
I think Dusty continues to put some of our bullpen batting tees out there to send a message to Walt & Bob, by showing them how disastrous it is. He wants them to make a trade for some bullpen help.

That is a good way for Dusty to lose his job. I believe that Dusty is an okay manager but he does have some weaknesses. One of those just happens to be bullpen management. I love what he did with the line up to get our bats going, he usually does a good job in that area. But things like pitching Arthur Rhodes with a 6 run lead shows that he's just clueless and not trying to send a message to the front office.

ian_madden
06-15-2010, 02:31 PM
I agree that it would be easier for a bullpen to start an inning fresh than to get out of a bad situation such as 2 men on. But that is hind sight and hind sight is always 20 20. I say if the starter is throwing fairly well, let him try for 1 more inning. I don't blame Dusty for this. This isn't the good bullpen we had last year, or the great bullpen Bob Boone had a few years ago, (Do you remember that bullpen, made a bad manger look great.) This bullpen has to make you second guess yourself all the time.

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:23 PM
One more time from Fayblog: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/


The rumor on Twitter last night that the Reds were calling up right-hander Jordan Smith is apparently true.

It’s pretty shocking given his Double-A numbers: 1-3, 5.08 ERA, .318 opponent average. Haven’t heard what the other move is. I’ll post as soon as I know.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 03:24 PM
Finally someone in Cincy got off their butts and did some work. Cincy media is so god awful when it comes to the Reds.

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Who gets sent down? Del Rosario? Or does Masset go on the DL with a severely bruised ego?

GIDP
06-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Probably Del Rosario

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Finally someone in Cincy got off their butts and did some work. Cincy media is so god awful when it comes to the Reds.

It did seem to take an awfully long time for one of the local reporters to either confirm or refute that rumor.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 03:31 PM
It did seem to take an awfully long time for one of the local reporters to either confirm or refute that rumor.

Yea I didnt see Fay, Sheldon or anyone else say a single thing about it.

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:35 PM
This is pretty much window dressing anyway. The locals are howling about the bullpen so they make a move. I hope the kid works out, but I have serious reservations. It's not like he was mowing them down on the AA level. And they wonder why people are having a hard time getting out to the park to support this club. Bullpen problem? No problem. Call up Jordan Smith. That will bring them into the ball park. I shouldn't be so negative, I know. I haven't even seen this guy pitch. But a decade-long beatdown will do that to a person.

Kiss the Baby00
06-15-2010, 03:40 PM
im going to guess that walt has some idea what he is doing and most of you are completely clueless. u have to remember that players have a certain amount of options and contract clauses that we dont all know about. im pretty sure walt is jsut biding his time until he can get Burton and Bray up and healthy, Volquez back and probably homer too, while moving lecure back to AAA or the pen. its a waiting game, players dont heal over night.

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 05:44 PM
I'm too busy to look again, but I looked at his minor league stats earlier today when I read the rumor and I think his ERA against lefties is in the low 3.00's. So maybe he'll only face lefties occasionally. Which means that Herrera possibly gets sent down?

Griffey012
06-15-2010, 05:56 PM
I trust a fresh arm from our bullpen to have a scoreless inning more than I do have them come in an not allow an inherited run to score after a pitcher with 100+ pitches lets the 1st couple he faces get on, yes.

How many times does the bullpen start the inning fresh and give up runs also. We have a horrible bullpen right now, and it is not due to Dusty's "mismanagement" of the pitching staff. It's due to starters not getting deep, and the fact that nobody outside of Rhodes and Cordero can perform their role consistently.

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 06:03 PM
Off of Lance McAlister's blog:


Say hello to the new bullpen guy...Jordan Smith

1-3 5.08 at AA Carolina
Last 6 games: 1.13 ERA in 8 innings
June: 1.29 ERA in 5 games...7 innings, 6 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 3 K, .240 BA
He's got a 2.18 groundball to flyball ratio this season.
Batting avg: vs RH .333, vs LH .302
He's a 6th round pick from 2006...he's on the 40-man.
6'4 220 pounds
He had been a starter in the organization until this season when he was moved to the bullpen. From 2006-2009 he made all 74 appearances for the Reds as a starter.

He becomes the 5th player from the Reds 2006 draft to make it to the ML.
1st Drew Stubbs
6th Jordan Smith
7th Justin Turner (Traded to O's in Hernandez deal)
10th Josh Roenicke
17th Chris Heisey

Reds demote Eniro Del Rosario to AAA

gedred69
06-15-2010, 06:23 PM
It looks like a move of desperation, but 2 seasons ago this guy blew away Sarasota and was rapidly promoted to AA. At that time the Reds considered him the most improved pitcher in the system. Then I believe a shoulder injury bit him, and then again last year. I believe this year is his 1st in relief.

Good luck to him.....

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 06:29 PM
It looks like a move of desperation, but 2 seasons ago this guy blew away Sarasota and was rapidly promoted to AA. At that time the Reds considered him the most improved pitcher in the system. Then I believe a shoulder injury bit him, and then again last year. I believe this year is his 1st in relief.

Good luck to him.....

Well if he's coming back from a shoulder injury, maybe he's just now getting back to where he once was, and the numbers don't tell the whole story. I like what he has done in June. Also like his groundball/flyball ratio.

Kingspoint
06-15-2010, 06:54 PM
From Rotoworld w/ rotoworld comments:

Reds optioned RHP Enerio Del Rosario to Triple-A Louisville.

It wasn't quite the shakeup fans were expecting, but Del Rosario gets the boot in favor of Jordan Smith. Del Rosario tallied a 2.08 ERA and 3/4 K/BB ratio over 8 2/3 innings with the big club.

Mr Larkin
06-15-2010, 11:57 PM
How can anyone say this is a reach before the kids throws a single pitch at the MLB level?

Kingspoint
06-16-2010, 12:35 AM
How can anyone say this is a reach before the kids throws a single pitch at the MLB level?

They can't. They're just blowing smoke for blowing smoke sake.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 01:40 AM
They can't. They're just blowing smoke for blowing smoke sake.

Dont be silly. You can look at his numbers this year, notice that they had to go down to AA to grab him, and look at teh scouting reports to know the guy likely isnt a savior.

ILoveWilly
06-16-2010, 01:52 AM
He was the only pitcher today that didn't allow a run. He deserves a purple heart. I'm now a fan of the guy.

RedsFanInBama
06-16-2010, 02:17 AM
My question to the people *****ing about this move is what (realistic) move they would rather have seen?

Kingspoint
06-16-2010, 03:32 AM
Dont be silly. You can look at his numbers this year, notice that they had to go down to AA to grab him, and look at teh scouting reports to know the guy likely isnt a savior.

But, as you pointed out yourself, he had a 2:1 Groundball to Flyball ratio. And, since they had decided to send down Del Rosario, who was also a 2:1 Groundball to Flyball ratio pitcher, it only made sense that they would give Dusty someone of similar abilities to replace him who may do a better job than Del Rosario did, who obviously wasn't ready, who's also on the 40-man roster. There was nothing desperate about it. It was common sense and very logical.

Now that Dusty has seen Jordan Smith pitch, he may not hesitate to bring him in with a runner on 1st and less than 2 outs, in order to get that double-play ground out.

You never know when a player is ready until you throw him into the fire and see the results.

Jordan Smith may very well become that first person off the bench when a Starter leaves a runner on First Base and we need a Groundball.

Reds
06-16-2010, 03:50 AM
Anyone coming up from the minors right now has to figure that if they pitch well they'll land a permanent spot and playing time with the condition of the bullpen right now.