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GIDP
06-15-2010, 01:04 PM
The A's just traded for Connor Jackson

That likely means their flood gates are open. Only people they probably wont trade is Reynolds, and Upton. Probably Edwin Jackson as well.

That means Haren, Chris Young, Kelly Johnson, Laroche, Stephen Drew, and Aaron Heilman are all available most likely.

Only guy the Reds would probably target is Haren, and a chance of Heilman.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 01:07 PM
They trade him for a reliever named Sam Demel.

How the mighty have fallen. Connor Jackson was once a really valuable player.

bshall2105
06-15-2010, 01:08 PM
I've heard the Reds mentioned with Heilman before. Is he in the rotation or the bullpen?

GIDP
06-15-2010, 01:08 PM
I've heard the Reds mentioned with Heilman before. Is he in the rotation or the bullpen?

Bullpen.

Krawhitham
06-15-2010, 01:11 PM
The A's just traded for Connor Jackson

That likely means their flood gates are open. Only people they probably wont trade is Reynolds, and Upton. Probably Edwin Jackson as well.

That means Haren, Chris Young, Kelly Johnson, Laroche, Stephen Drew, and Aaron Heilman are all available most likely.

Only guy the Reds would probably target is Haren, and a chance of Heilman.

They traded someone who hit .182 last season and .238 this season, I would not call that a fire sale

GIDP
06-15-2010, 01:15 PM
They traded someone who hit .182 last season and .238 this season, I would not call that a fire sale

He was injured and sick last year with Valley Fever. He also has only had 280 some PA the last 2 years that you are quoting. 3 previous years he had an OPS over .800 and an OPS+ over 100.

He had a bad year last year, and hes not hitting up to speed yet this year but 280 PAs doesnt make a player. I dont buy in that they just traded Willy Taveras like you probably are suggesting.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 02:27 PM
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/16240049025

The expectation among rival executives is that the D-Backs are prepared to continue moving players aggressively,to change course, to save $,

Red in Atl
06-15-2010, 03:23 PM
Would love to see Haren instead of Harang every 5 days. Harangatang had a good run here, but I just don't have confidence in him for the long haul. Might do him good to go out there, close to home.

Harang and prospects for Haren and Heilman?

GIDP
06-15-2010, 03:25 PM
If you were the DBacks would you do something like that? Why would they take Harang?

vottofan4life
06-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Harang, Alonso, Masset, Del Rosario, Todd Frazier, and Carlos Fisher for Haren and Heilman?

bshall2105
06-15-2010, 03:37 PM
Harang, Alonso, Masset, Del Rosario, Todd Frazier, and Carlos Fisher for Haren and Heilman?

I don't think we need to throw Alonso in there. If the get Del Rosario, Frazier, and Fisher that's a pretty good group of prospects. Along with Masset who has shown in the past that he has the ability to be a good 8th inning guy.

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:44 PM
If you were the DBacks would you do something like that? Why would they take Harang?

If Harang is traded the 2011 option becomes a mutual one at a cool 14 million. I can't see Aaron Harang not exercising that puppy. So you are correct, sir. Harang isn't heading to the DBacks. They are trying save money.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 03:46 PM
Mutual Option means both have to agree.

BuckWild03
06-15-2010, 03:52 PM
I would love to have Heilman in the pen, just not sure what we'd realistically have to give up for him.

He's from Indiana isn't he?

texasdave
06-15-2010, 03:53 PM
Mutual Option means both have to agree.

Thanks. That makes sense. For some reason I was thinking Mutual meant either side could trigger the option. In reality it means either side could decline the option.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/09/mutual_of_ohmyh.php


In the meantime, the bigger question for the game is why in the world do teams and players agree to "mutual" options? When you sit back and think about such arrangements, they are really nonsensical. It's kind of like marriage and divorce. While it takes two to get married, it only takes one to demand a divorce. A bilateral agreement in which either side can opt out is really unilateral in nature, at least when it comes to ending matters.

lidspinner
06-15-2010, 04:32 PM
we are not trading AH to anyone who is trying to save money....and I see no reason to ship AH...I would not mind keeping him here for the role that Micah is doing right now...not sure if that would fly or not, but I guess its better than just doing away with him.

I could see us trade a Yonder, and Maloney for Haren. and it might take a throw in of another good prospect. But I would say if we are going after Haren, then all trades start with Yonder.

Red in Atl
06-15-2010, 05:03 PM
Didn't realize the the 2011 option was mutual. Just an albatross of a contract. What the f$%& good is a mutual option from the teams standpoint? Why would you ever agree to that?

Christ we're stuck with him through next year. Hope he gets his stuff together.

texasdave
06-15-2010, 05:12 PM
Didn't realize the the 2011 option was mutual. Just an albatross of a contract. What the f$%& good is a mutual option from the teams standpoint? Why would you ever agree to that?

Christ we're stuck with him through next year. Hope he gets his stuff together.

As it stands now the 2011 option is a team option. It is only if Harang is traded that it becomes a mutual option.


From Cot's: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/cincinnati-reds_24.html


Aaron Harang rhp
4 years/$36.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option


re-signed by Cincinnati 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $5.5M-$4.25M)
07:$4.25M, 08:$6.75M, 09:$11M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout)
2011 option increases to $13M with 210 IP in 2010
if traded, 2011 option becomes mutual option at $14M ($2.5M buyout)1 year/$2.35M (2006)
re-signed by Cincinnati 1/06 (avoided arbitration)

1 year/$0.44M (2005)

1 year/$0.36M (2004)
agents: Levinson brothers

ML service: 7.061

NorrisHopper30
06-15-2010, 05:27 PM
Wood or LeCure, Yonder, and Francisco.

NorrisHopper30
06-15-2010, 05:34 PM
If Walt makes a move for Haren, and acquires him without giving up Homer, I'll be extremely happy.

Vottomatic
06-15-2010, 05:57 PM
Off of ORG thread about this:

Buster Olney_ESPN



Quote:
The D-Backs are making it clear that they are willing to move anybody not named Justin Upton or Ian Kennedy. Dan Haren? Yes, they will talk.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 06:15 PM
Didn't realize the the 2011 option was mutual. Just an albatross of a contract. What the f$%& good is a mutual option from the teams standpoint? Why would you ever agree to that?

Christ we're stuck with him through next year. Hope he gets his stuff together.

Either you have me on ignore or you didnt read where I said, and someone else said both sides have to agree in a mutual option.

Red in Atl
06-15-2010, 06:44 PM
I'm just too busy today. Thanks Texasdave for posting the entire contract. Got it now, and once again, Harang's going nowhere unless he pitches well for the rest of the year, and if that's the case, why trade him?

gilpdawg
06-16-2010, 09:47 AM
I would love to have Heilman in the pen, just not sure what we'd realistically have to give up for him.

He's from Indiana isn't he?

I would totally take Heilman. He is from Logansport, IN.

BuckWild03
06-16-2010, 01:35 PM
I would totally take Heilman. He is from Logansport, IN.

The more I think about it, the more I think Heilman would be a perfect fit in the Cincy bullpen.

What do we give up for him?

bshall2105
06-16-2010, 01:48 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think Heilman would be a perfect fit in the Cincy bullpen.

What do we give up for him?

Joey Votto, Mike Leake, and Edinson Volquez

Reds
06-16-2010, 01:50 PM
Aaron Heilman was named the closer of the D-backs today, I believe they're wanting to keep him. Although after reading up he is a free agent after this year, so who knows.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 01:52 PM
Aaron Heilman was named the closer of the D-backs today, I believe they're wanting to keep him.

Probably named the Closer to up his trade value if he succeeds. Plus its not like they can keep Chad Qualls in that roll when hes doing his best Nick Masset impression.

Vottomatic
06-16-2010, 02:04 PM
Joey Votto, Mike Leake, and Edinson Volquez

Throw in Bruce, Gomes, Stubbs, and Rolen too. :D

bounty37h
06-16-2010, 03:00 PM
Throw in Bruce, Gomes, Stubbs, and Rolen too. :D

And Phillips plus PTBNL if needed.