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OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 07:41 PM
Carolina is off but Louisville, Lynchburg, and Dayton all play tonight. Travis Wood, Brad Boxberger, and Ricky Bowen are the scheduled starters.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 07:43 PM
The DSL Reds won 3-2 in 10 innings.

Ronald Bueno: 3-for-4 double, walk
Wilfrel Estevez: 3-for-5 triple, 2 RBI

Abel De Los Santos: 8 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K,

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2010_06_15_dcurok_drdrok_1

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 07:46 PM
The VSL Reds won 3-1.

Ronald Torreyes: 1-for-2 double, two walks, SB
Humberto Valor: 1-for-3 walk

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2010_06_15_vphrok_vrdrok_1

GOYA
06-15-2010, 07:53 PM
Burke CF 0 .227
Cozart SS .236
Alonso 1B .252
Balentien RF .230
Francisco 3B .255
Frazier LF .217
Sutton DH .290
Valaika 2B .312
Castillo C .265

Wood P - 3.77

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:06 PM
Not sure why, but I get the feeling the Bats offense will air it out a little tonight.

camisadelgolf
06-15-2010, 08:10 PM
Not sure why, but I get the feeling the Bats offense will air it out a little tonight.
I hope you're right. Michael Bowden has a penchant for giving up the long ball this year, but I get the feeling he'll regress to the mean tonight.

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:13 PM
Aaaaand the Bats go 1-2-3 in the 1st. ;)

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:17 PM
Good sign for Wood. He Ks Niuman Romero on 3 pitches to start the bottom of the first.

Romero has been hitting us pretty well.
Niuman!

Wood gets another K in the first.

0-0 after 1

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:22 PM
1 out single for Cisco.

An interrupted 9-game hitting streak for Juan.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 08:34 PM
Wood: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:47 PM
Wood suddenly having a rough inning

Bases loaded, no outs

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:50 PM
1-0 Pawsox

Ball was hit back to Wood and he got the force at home. Castillo hit the runner trying to get the DP at 1st.

GOYA
06-15-2010, 08:52 PM
2-0 on a sac fly

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 08:55 PM
Boxberger: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 2 GO/0 FO

KoryMac5
06-15-2010, 09:25 PM
Wood seems pretty unhittable in small doses. I wonder if the Reds have ever considered him for the pen. Especially since that change up is such a good out pitch for him.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 09:32 PM
Wood: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

GOYA
06-15-2010, 09:35 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Wood 5.0 3 2 1 1 6 0 3.65

Pitches-strikes: Wood, T 76-49

Still 2-0 Pawsox in the 6th

HokieRed
06-15-2010, 09:37 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Wood 5.0 3 2 1 1 6 0 3.65

Pitches-strikes: Wood, T 76-49

Still 2-0 Pawsox in the 6th

Will be interesting to see if they shut him down. He's pitching his way to Cinti.

GOYA
06-15-2010, 09:37 PM
Lot's of hard hit balls for the Bats

But they ain't hittin' them where they ain't.

GOYA
06-15-2010, 09:42 PM
Wood K's the side in the bottom of the 6th

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 09:56 PM
Strikeout #10 to begin the 7th inning for Wood.

Kingspoint
06-15-2010, 09:57 PM
So, does this mean Walt decided to not turn Wood into a Reliever?

Kingspoint
06-15-2010, 09:58 PM
I wish it meant that Harang was jettisoned and Wood took his place as the Starter. They have to pay Harang no matter what. Why compound the problem and have him pitch?

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 10:01 PM
Wood: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, 5 GO/2 FO, 103 pitches/69 strikes

Excellent start.

GIDP
06-15-2010, 10:17 PM
Harang could probably do well out of the pen. I hope they trade for a starter let Harang be the domino that falls first.

GOYA
06-15-2010, 10:22 PM
Wood limped off the mound after the 7th. No word yet.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 10:23 PM
Boxberger's final line: 4.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 6 K, 6 GO/1 FO

Soto is 1-for-2 with a double.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2010, 10:28 PM
Bill Bray pitched the 8th inning for Louisville:

1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

GOYA
06-15-2010, 10:33 PM
Bats lost 2-0

texasdave
06-15-2010, 10:39 PM
Travis Wood's last six starts: ERA - 1.98 Shades of 2009.



IP H R ER HR BB K

8 2 1 1 0 2 11
6 4 1 1 0 3 5
6 4 3 3 2 0 3
7 6 3 3 0 1 3
7 3 0 0 0 1 8
7 4 2 1 0 1 10

41 23 10 9 2 8 40

HokieRed
06-15-2010, 10:53 PM
Wood to Cinti.

REDblooded
06-15-2010, 11:01 PM
Wood is screaming "SHOWCASE" to me... wouldn't be surprised a bit to see him moved...

muddie
06-15-2010, 11:04 PM
I'd love to see Woods get a chance.

HokieRed
06-15-2010, 11:13 PM
Anybody been moved to Carolina's bullpen on the heels of Smith's promo. to Cinti? Nick Christiani had another real good outing tonight at Lynchburg.

mace
06-15-2010, 11:33 PM
Frank Pfister goes 4 for 4 as Dayton hangs on, 9-8. Chase Ware struggled for a change, but finished.

RedsManRick
06-15-2010, 11:52 PM
Woods K and BB rates have been there pretty much all year -- just had HR issues. No more homers = dominant. I get the feeling he'd be a key piece in any trade for a stud starter.

HokieRed
06-15-2010, 11:55 PM
Woods K and BB rates have been there pretty much all year -- just had HR issues. No more homers = dominant. I get the feeling he'd be a key piece in any trade for a stud starter.

I don't think there's any doubt about this, which makes me skeptical of such a trade. Other teams will see clearly he's the best of what we have at AAA excluding Chapman.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 12:38 AM
Wood wont be better than a 3 and thats if hes at his best. He simply doesnt have a ton of talent other than his change up.

Benihana
06-16-2010, 12:40 AM
Wood wont be better than a 3 and thats if hes at his best. He simply doesnt have a ton of talent other than his change up.

I don't disagree at all. In fact, I would be elated if Wood becomes a true #3 starter at the ML level. That said, a couple more outings like this from Wood and I think we'll get an answer to the lingering question of who is the Reds #2 prospect.

Hopefully at that point, he can headline a trade for a #1 starter. Would be even better if we weren't forced to sell the lows on Alonso and Frazier.

fearofpopvol1
06-16-2010, 12:41 AM
I'd like to see Wood get a start (over LeCure) at The Show.

RedsManRick
06-16-2010, 01:07 AM
I don't think there's any doubt about this, which makes me skeptical of such a trade. Other teams will see clearly he's the best of what we have at AAA excluding Chapman.

Well, if they want a future ace to headline the package, the Reds definitely won't be in the mix. But if they're willing to take a package of guys who could all be solid contributors, they've got a good shot.

I saw in the thread on Fangraphs somebody mentioned that the Mariners would be looking for a catching prospect.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 01:08 AM
Im not trading a catching prospect for a few months of a pitcher. Only the dodgers do stupid things like that.

fearofpopvol1
06-16-2010, 01:29 AM
I'd trade them a catching prospect for Lee...but it would not be Mesoraco. If they want Fleury or Coddington or Weems as part of a deal for Lee, fine by me. I would guess if Mesoraco was off the table, they would be most interested in Coddington. But I doubt the interest is that great for him either. Maybe they would want Soto?

GIDP
06-16-2010, 01:37 AM
Yea id be ok with that, but there is no way I trade any type of higher skilled catching prospect for such a short term gain.

Still blows my mind that the Dodgers traded Santana for Blake.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 01:38 AM
id be reluctant to trade Soto as well.

fearofpopvol1
06-16-2010, 01:48 AM
Yea id be ok with that, but there is no way I trade any type of higher skilled catching prospect for such a short term gain.

Still blows my mind that the Dodgers traded Santana for Blake.

It's not completely a short term gain. If Lee walks at the end of the season, the Reds will receive a high draft pick for him next year. I would gladly trade Soto and some other players for that.

HokieRed
06-16-2010, 09:30 AM
Catching prospect is interesting. If you're looking for a guy to catch in two years, would you be more inclined to want Mes or Grandal?

GIDP
06-16-2010, 10:14 AM
Catching prospect is interesting. If you're looking for a guy to catch in two years, would you be more inclined to want Mes or Grandal?

Im keeping both until one takes over at the MLB level. Then I might think about trading 1 of the 2.

LincolnparkRed
06-16-2010, 11:56 AM
Catching prospect is interesting. If you're looking for a guy to catch in two years, would you be more inclined to want Mes or Grandal?

You can't trade Grandal for a year right? I don't think I would give up Mes for a rental but after him, there isn't much to dangle to other teams. Heisey since he has shown a little ability but you would be hard pressed to find someone who would give you much for Alonso or Frazier

Benihana
06-16-2010, 01:01 PM
I would trade Mez for Cliff Lee in a Seattle minute, even before they drafted Grandal.

nemesis
06-16-2010, 04:07 PM
Wood wont be better than a 3 and thats if hes at his best. He simply doesn't have a ton of talent other than his change up.

The best news is, that he doesn't have to be a #1 or a #2 or even a #3 to be useful. We have Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Leake and Chapman who all could be #1's or #2's... Not every pitcher has to have TOR stuff to actually pitch in the major's successfully. He could be an above average #4 or #5 and I'd be elated.

Leake was projected as a #3 at best based on his size or lack there of and Velocity.

Wood has completely retooled himself as a pitcher in the last two years. Found control and learned to pitch. He was thissssss close to being the Reds #5 out of Spring Training... The Brass hold him at a higher Value than this board does and I agree... He is a 2nd round pick with an excellent K rate a low BB rate and is a lefty. I'd move a 26 year old Maloney way before a 23 year old Wood who has at least 1 plus plus pitch...

Kc61
06-16-2010, 04:11 PM
The best news is, that he doesn't have to be a #1 or a #2 or even a #3 to be useful. We have Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Leake and Chapman who all could be #1's or #2's... Not every pitcher has to have TOR stuff to actually pitch in the major's successfully. He could be an above average #4 or #5 and I'd be elated.

...

Reds could use one major, big time, veteran starting pitcher to go with the group you mention. All I ask for is one.

HokieRed
06-16-2010, 04:12 PM
The best news is, that he doesn't have to be a #1 or a #2 or even a #3 to be useful. We have Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Leake and Chapman who all could be #1's or #2's... Not every pitcher has to have TOR stuff to actually pitch in the major's successfully. He could be an above average #4 or #5 and I'd be elated.

Leake was projected as a #3 at best based on his size or lack there of and Velocity.

Wood has completely retooled himself as a pitcher in the last two years. Found control and learned to pitch. He was thissssss close to being the Reds #5 out of Spring Training... The Brass hold him at a higher Value than this board does and I agree... He is a 2nd round pick with an excellent K rate a low BB rate and is a lefty. I'd move a 26 year old Maloney way before a 23 year old Wood who has at least 1 plus plus pitch...

Nemesis, I've been making the same points about Wood. I think much of RZ undervalues him. No way we'll sell somebody else Maloney in place of him: other teams are not going to go for that.

GIDP
06-16-2010, 04:16 PM
The best news is, that he doesn't have to be a #1 or a #2 or even a #3 to be useful. We have Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Leake and Chapman who all could be #1's or #2's... Not every pitcher has to have TOR stuff to actually pitch in the major's successfully. He could be an above average #4 or #5 and I'd be elated.

Leake was projected as a #3 at best based on his size or lack there of and Velocity.

Wood has completely retooled himself as a pitcher in the last two years. Found control and learned to pitch. He was thissssss close to being the Reds #5 out of Spring Training... The Brass hold him at a higher Value than this board does and I agree... He is a 2nd round pick with an excellent K rate a low BB rate and is a lefty. I'd move a 26 year old Maloney way before a 23 year old Wood who has at least 1 plus plus pitch...

Thats fine, but if the chance comes to trade him for Dan Haren I wouldnt hesitate. I realize that it probably came off a little harsher than I intended it to when I said he didnt have a ton of talent other than his change up. I meant to say nothing else is really off the charts compared to a lot of other talent.

Certainly can be a valuable pitcher but I'm saying 3 at best. I think there is more value in trading him for a starter than there is in actual potential. Hes the type of pitcher I deal for peak return instead of sitting on.

lidspinner
06-16-2010, 09:09 PM
I would trade Mez for Cliff Lee in a Seattle minute, even before they drafted Grandal.


I am with ya beni.....even if it meant that we knew for a FACT that Lee was leaving at years end....if this team is in a race at the time of said trade, I make it each and every time. DevMes is a great prospect, but I see no way he takes over Ryan in the next year or 3....by then I would hope our #1 pick will be knocking on the door, to at least be doing what Ryan is doing for us now, give the starter a break.

Cliff Lee could be what this team needs to put us over the top against those Cards, Dodgers, and Padres.....We need 3 DOMINANT starters if we want to make a run in the playoffs.

I would much rather have Dan Haren over Cliff Lee since we would control Dan for 2 more years.....but I will take any of the 2 and say thank you on my way out if all we have to give up is a mez for lee.....

GIDP
06-16-2010, 09:19 PM
Ryan Hannigan is 29. I wouldnt count on him to stick around for long enough to justify getting rid of Mesoraco.

lidspinner
06-17-2010, 12:23 AM
Ryan Hannigan is 29. I wouldnt count on him to stick around for long enough to justify getting rid of Mesoraco.

so you wouldnt count on Hannigan giving you 4 more years? or maybe 3? Hell, maybe 5? I would say barring any big injury, we should be able to lock in on Ryan for 3 more years easy.....and if that is the case, by then, lets hope one of our younger catchers, or our 1st rounder is ready......

you can never have to many catchers but I see no reason that Mez is untouchable in any trade that involves getting us pitching help, even if it means only for the rest of the year. Its worth it.

GIDP
06-17-2010, 12:40 AM
so you wouldnt count on Hannigan giving you 4 more years? or maybe 3? Hell, maybe 5? I would say barring any big injury, we should be able to lock in on Ryan for 3 more years easy.....and if that is the case, by then, lets hope one of our younger catchers, or our 1st rounder is ready......

you can never have to many catchers but I see no reason that Mez is untouchable in any trade that involves getting us pitching help, even if it means only for the rest of the year. Its worth it.

Im saying I wouldnt count on him. He is playing a postion that takes a lot of body out of guys and hes not a young player. If I'm making a move and it involves "we have Hannigan for the next 3 years" Im not going to me super excited about the possibilities. I think its a risk to think hes going to be as productive as hes been for a long time especially going into his 30s. Its the position more than it is the player if you know what im saying. Mes isnt someone I want to part with especially how hes hitting this season. Very hard for me to want to give up a raking catcher whos showing huge promise and starting to live up to what scouts thought. Mes is a game changing catcher if he lives up to his ability, and in the world of baseball those are not very popular. Find another player to trade for a short term fix than a promising young catcher.