6-18-10 Reds vs Mariners (Cueto vs Lee)

[arkimadee]

Cabrera 6,
Phillips 4,
Votto 3,
Rolen 5,
Gomes 7,
Heisey 8,
Bruce 9,
Hernandez 2,
Cairo DH,

Let the cursing begin!! Cairo is starting..

[GIDP]

Only in Dusty Bakers world would a DH hit 9th rofl.

DH are nothing but bats, why do you DH one of your worst hitters roflroflrofl.

I dont understand the thought process of Dusty ever.

Not only is Cairo DHing Dusty is taking his chance to put in his best defensive team and throws it and flushes it.

Completely unacceptable.

[Kingspoint]

Baker is a turd!

I was going to make a joke yesterday that Baker will probably DH Cairo and put the gimpy, octogenarian Cabrera at Shortstop, and the worst outfielder Gomes in Left.

I had just made a prediction that the REDS would win today 3-1, but I'm changing it.

REDS lose 5-1.

Any moron could have made a better lineup.

Cabrera sits and Janish starts. Gomes is DH. Heisey in Left and bats 2nd behind Phillips who leads off.

Phillips....2B
Heisey....LF
Votto.....1B
Rolen......3B
Gomes....DH
Bruce.....RF
Stubbs....CF
Hernandez..C
Janish......SS

[Jack Burton]

Only in Dusty Bakers world would a DH hit 9th rofl.

DH are nothing but bats, why do you DH one of your worst hitters roflroflrofl.

I dont understand the thought process of Dusty ever.

Not only is Cairo DHing Dusty is taking his chance to put in his best defensive team and throws it and flushes it.

Completely unacceptable.

Great point, but the Reds will win tonight in spite of this stupidity

[GIDP]

I really would like to know what the justification for hitting Cairo DH tonight is. Stubbs, and Nix both better be in the hospital.

The more I think about it the more ridiculous it is.

Who wants to bet that its because Cairo played in Seattle? No joke I would be less surprised by Dusty using that as justification than anything else.

[Kingspoint]

I really would like to know what the justification for hitting Cairo DH tonight is. Stubbs, and Nix both better be in the hospital.

The more I think about it the more ridiculous it is.

Who wants to bet that its because Cairo played in Seattle? No joke I would be less surprised by Dusty using that as justification than anything else.

I can't wait until the Day Duhsty Baker is gone.

I literally hate the man.

[GIDP]

I wonder how many times a DH has hit 9th this year in major league baseball... Id be surprised if its more than once.

[GIDP]

Cairo is 5 for 9 against Cliff Lee. Thats why Dusty is DHing him. Hes going off the stupid small sample size of 9 career ABs against a pitcher, in which none of them have probably came against him since 2008.

:laugh:

[1990REDS]

I honestly thought that lineup was a unfunny joke when i first saw it. I wish they would hire someone to proof read the lineups before dusty turn them in because that has to have been a misprint when dusty filled it out. doesnt it? Please tell me it was a misprint. How does a guy whos litterally been in the game for like 30 years think thats an acceptable lineup?

[arkimadee]

Cairo is 5 for 9 against Cliff Lee. Thats why Dusty is DHing him. Hes going off the stupid small sample size of 9 career ABs against a pitcher, in which none of them have probably came against him since 2008.

:laugh:
thats a pretty good number though.. i predict Cairo gets 2 hits tonight

[Kingspoint]

And today Cairo will be 0 for 3.

How great would it be to have the Speed of Drew Stubbs batting 9th?

Stubbs
Cabrera
Phillips
Votto
Rolen

That would score some runs. Putting Cairo in front to clog up the bases (if he even gets on) is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Guess nobody gets to successfully steal a base tonight.

[Kingspoint]

Great point, but the Reds will win tonight in spite of this stupidity

That has happened quite often this year. They've won a lot in spite of him. But, ti's caught up to the team. The overuse of Masset and Cordero, and now maybe Rhodes, along with the underuse of Janish over Cabrera (if not for many defensive replacements alone).

[arkimadee]

That has happened quite often this year. They've won a lot in spite of him. But, ti's caught up to the team. The overuse of Masset and Cordero, and now maybe Rhodes, along with the underuse of Janish over Cabrera (if not for many defensive replacements alone).
Can you just enjoy being in first place for 5 minutes without bashing Dusty. We are slumping a little but every team goes through it. You make me want to not even watch the game. Cairo did well when he filled in for Votto and has had success against Lee. I would have started him too tonight. Why not play percentages ?

[GIDP]

Can you just enjoy being in first place for 5 minutes without bashing Dusty. We are slumping a little but every team goes through it. You make me want to not even watch the game. Cairo did well when he filled in for Votto and has had success against Lee. I would have started him too tonight. Why not play percentages ?

Because putting your worst defensive OF in the field, combined with your worst option at DH, is stupid managing no matter the sample size.

[GIDP]

If you trust that sample size so much why dont you have the stones to bat him higher than 9th also.

Basically Dusty doesnt care he just does what Dusty does.

[arkimadee]

I still think we are going to bring out the good wood tonight and win.. go redlegs! i'm out until game time

[ThornWithin81]

Cairo is 5 for 11 over his career against Cliff Lee.

I'll take that.

[ThornWithin81]

If you trust that sample size so much why dont you have the stones to bat him higher than 9th also.

Basically Dusty doesnt care he just does what Dusty does.

The idea that Dusty "doesn't care" is laughable.

[bshall2105]

I really would like to know what the justification for hitting Cairo DH tonight is. Stubbs, and Nix both better be in the hospital.

The more I think about it the more ridiculous it is.

Who wants to bet that its because Cairo played in Seattle? No joke I would be less surprised by Dusty using that as justification than anything else.

Nix is a lefty going against Cliff Lee. Doubt Nix would have a hit. Stubbs hasn't had a day off in a while, also facing an ace like Cliff Lee would probably destroy what confidence he has. I like the move.

[GIDP]

“I’ve always got (Laynce) Nix to come in for Cairo. Stubbs can in for defense late in the game for Gomes and move Heisey to left.”

[Parliament]

I don't see the problem at all with the lineup. I actually am glad to see Stubbs get the night off. Hope the reds can pull out a W tonight

[redsfan_12]

I like playing on the coast for a change. Feels weird starting at 10:00 local time

[arkimadee]

Paul Keels in the booth tonight

[arkimadee]

remember that 17 inning game in San diego a couple of years ago.. i think it ended at like 3 in the morning

[arkimadee]

cards just tied it up

[Parliament]

Paul Keels in the booth tonight

Let the unintentional comedy begin!

[bshall2105]

Paul Keels in the booth tonight

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[FlyerFanatic]

good ol' fox sports ohio, keeps losing audio and picture.

[redsfan_12]

Rip one Heisey

[redsfan_12]

Good AB Jay

[redsfan_12]

Nice job

[foxfire123]

*whew*! I thought Cueto was toast in the 2nd.....

[redsfan_12]

3 outs and all were missles

[scott91575]

and that is why Safeco is a pitchers park. Could be 2 or 3 to nothing.

[foxfire123]

please make Heisey's hit count please Jay... :)

[redsfan_12]

Where is everyone? I guess it's past their bedtime lol

[redsfan_12]

Poll: will Bruce touch one tonight?! Jeez

[redsfan_12]

Stubbs wouldve gotten there

[FlyerFanatic]

can we get 1 across. just 1, i know its cliff lee, but come on, lets do this

[Kingspoint]

So glad Baker had Cairo DH-ing.
:(

[FlyerFanatic]

So glad Baker had Cairo DH-ing.
:(

SOOOO STUPID. ahhh hate dusty

[Kingspoint]

Can you just enjoy being in first place for 5 minutes without bashing Dusty. We are slumping a little but every team goes through it. You make me want to not even watch the game. Cairo did well when he filled in for Votto and has had success against Lee. I would have started him too tonight. Why not play percentages ?

He's 0-2.

[Kingspoint]

Where is everyone? I guess it's past their bedtime lol

It's the Cairo-DH-ing effect.

[arkimadee]

i want to go to safeco field.. nice looking ballpark

[arkimadee]

good pitchers duel tonight..

[arkimadee]

did they say why corky is playing instead of ramon?

[foxfire123]

i want to go to safeco field.. nice looking ballpark

Agreed! Except for that annoying train... :D

there are quite a few parks I want to see eventually--Baltimore, Fenway, Wrigley... San Diego--moreso that I want to go the the Zoo rather than the ballpark tho! :lol

[foxfire123]

anyone else getting quite annoyed with the stupid commercials on Gameday? *growl*

[arkimadee]

Agreed! Except for that annoying train... :D

there are quite a few parks I want to see eventually--Baltimore, Fenway, Wrigley... San Diego--moreso that I want to go the the Zoo rather than the ballpark tho! :lol
i'm heading to the ballpark in arlington this summer when i go to dallas.. don't know much about it but it should be fun.. took a tour of pnc park last week and that place blows great american out of the water as far as a view goes

[Reds]

quick game so far. on pace to last just over 2 hours.

[arkimadee]

He's 0-2.
everyone else is pretty much sucking for the most part as well

[FlyerFanatic]

did they say why corky is playing instead of ramon?

late scratch before the game. ramon has a stiff back or something

[arkimadee]

quick game so far. on pace to last just over 2 hours.
i love a good fast paced pitchers duel if we win

[Reds]

bottom 6 coming up, 0-0.

baker: "Against this guy, Cairo is one of the few guys that's had pretty good success and knows him well," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "It was the only way I could get Cairo in there without taking someone else out. And Heisey has hit most of the guys that throw similar to Lee. I need some offense against this guy. This guy is tough."

[redsfan_12]

Cueto will go MAYBe 7 innings. He's at 90 pitches now, we have 4 hits. Lee is at 80 pitches, and they have 2 hits

[arkimadee]

we matchup well against teams with bad offenses.. lol but i guess most everyone else does too

[arkimadee]

great catch chris!!!

[Reds]

Heisey says no!

[redsfan_12]

Nice snag

[GIDP]

did they say why corky is playing instead of ramon?

Ramon has hemorrhoids. Not joking.

[Kingspoint]

Nice one, Heisey.

So a better lineup wouldn't have been Heisey in left, Stubbs in Center, Janish at SS, and Gomes at DH?

You need Defense in this park.

[arkimadee]

he busted a heisey there!

[Kingspoint]

everyone else is pretty much sucking for the most part as well

They have a couple of hits, and anyone-not-named-Cairo would have had a better chance.

[arkimadee]

Ramon has hemorrhoids. Not joking.
i guess that would be a bad job to have with that disorder

[redsfan_12]

I miss Hanigan

[arkimadee]

They have a couple of hits, and anyone-not-named-Cairo would have had a better chance.
same here

[arkimadee]

sorry i replied to the wrong message

[arkimadee]

im glad he didn't dive for that and let it go past him

[Kingspoint]

For the record, the Mariners thought so much about Cairo's hitting two years ago, that they let him DH for 4 Plate Appearances out of the 250 he had in 2008.

They lost that day 4-0. He batted 6th and was 0-3 and they pinch-hit for him late in the game. (he had 3 PA's that day and one more PA as a DH another time during the year).

[redsfan_12]

This will turn into a run

[GIDP]

For the record, the Mariners thought so much about Cairo's hitting two years ago, that they let him DH for 4 Plate Appearances out of the 250 he had in 2008.

I still want to know if a DH has ever batted 9th in the history of the DH rule.

[GIDP]

I have a feeling this game is over.

[Reds]

man, marty fooled me.

[arkimadee]

nice effort..

[FlyerFanatic]

reds lose

[Reds]

maybe a tough luck loss for Q

[redsfan_12]

Horse$hit. We give up the most bs runs

[GIDP]

Now its time for Dusty to bring in a guy who has been the most hittable in his pen.

I struggle to understand what he's thinking at times.

[FlyerFanatic]

herrera about to do what he does best, give up earned runs to cueto.

[GIDP]

Wow Cueto threw 115 pitches? Lol Dusty how many times are you going to get burned by this.

[redsfan_12]

A freaking 2 out hit batter, bloop single, and another. Whalla

[arkimadee]

For the record, the Mariners thought so much about Cairo's hitting two years ago, that they let him DH for 4 Plate Appearances out of the 250 he had in 2008.

They lost that day 4-0. He batted 6th and was 0-3 and they pinch-hit for him late in the game. (he had 3 PA's that day and one more PA as a DH another time during the year).
I also heard that Cairo abused woman and children and had a night job as a drag queen

[Kiss the Baby00]

im banging my head against the wall that dusty is bring in drh. i want to scream. half of me is rooting for him to get lit up hopefully it will hurry his demotion.

[arkimadee]

can we win a flippin game 1 of a series?

[arkimadee]

Mikes Weeny to the plate

[redsfan_12]

can we win a flippin game 1 of a series?

Nope. Can we ever beat a good pitcher??

[Kingspoint]

bottom 6 coming up, 0-0.

baker: "Against this guy, Cairo is one of the few guys that's had pretty good success and knows him well," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "It was the only way I could get Cairo in there without taking someone else out. And Heisey has hit most of the guys that throw similar to Lee. I need some offense against this guy. This guy is tough."

I love Baker's "selective" use of the stats.

[DirtyBaker]

Dusty should have waited for seattle to pinch hit before considering DRH

[George Foster]

im banging my head against the wall that dusty is bring in drh. i want to scream. half of me is rooting for him to get lit up hopefully it will hurry his demotion.

I stayed up for this???

[DirtyBaker]

whew:D

[arkimadee]

great job by DRH!! hope this jumpstarts something.. lets get them in the top of the inning

[Kingspoint]

Ramon has hemorrhoids. Not joking.

That really sucks for a Catcher.

[Kiss the Baby00]

now lets score some runs!

[Reds]

9 outs to eek out at least 1 run.

[arkimadee]

if this were GABP we would be ahead 4-1

[George Foster]

Cueto with yet another costly brain cramp. He hits a batter with 2 outs, 2 strikes, no one on base. Then gives up 2 singles...

How good is their bull pen?

Jay Bruce might not hit a left hander ever again...

[Kingspoint]

I also heard that Cairo abused woman and children and had a night job as a drag queen

That would explain his putrid OPS over his career.

[arkimadee]

if this were GABP we would be ahead 4-1
make that 5-1

[George Foster]

if this were GABP we would be ahead 4-1

that was a home run back home as well by Gomes

[Kingspoint]

great job by DRH!! hope this jumpstarts something.. lets get them in the top of the inning

Very nice!

[Reds]

we tear the warning track up in some of these ballparks :(

[Kingspoint]

Be the Hero, Heisey!

[arkimadee]

Does other teams suck against the "good" pitchers as much as the reds?

[Kingspoint]

How good is their bull pen?



It's much worse than ours.

But, Lee can go 9 innings.

[Reds]

yeah, right now I'm just hoping we can get the closer in for the 9th. I doubt Lee will budge off the mound though. this guy is nasty.

[arkimadee]

bruce looks baffled at the plate

[arkimadee]

well that was easy

[redsfan_12]

10,8,10 pitches the last 3 innings. This is pathetic.

[George Foster]

Some of you guys might be to young to remember but back in 2000 Griffey Jr. was crying and *****ing about the "new" ball park being to hard to hit a homerun. He demanded a trade or he would not resign with Seattle. That was the only reason why they traded the best player in the game at the time with a new ballpark.

[Kingspoint]

Does other teams suck against the "good" pitchers as much as the reds?

Most teams have been able to get Lee and Hernandez out of the game before the 9th inning and then they score their runs and win the game. But, the REDS have the "Baker says be aggressive approach, led by Joey Votto", so they don't take enough pitches to get Cliff Lee out in 8 innings.

They are going to have to tie it up against Cliff Lee.

[Kingspoint]

Some of you guys might be to young to remember but back in 2000 Griffey Jr. was crying and *****ing about the "new" ball park being to hard to hit a homerun. He demanded a trade or he would not resign with Seattle. That was the only reason why they traded the best player in the game at the time with a new ballpark.

Arod certainly left for that reason.

[George Foster]

10,8,10 pitches the last 3 innings. This is pathetic.

the guy is throwing strikes....you got to swing at good pitches. I understand taking pitches, but you would be down 0-2 after just 2 pitches. Catch 22.

[Kiss the Baby00]

i wont say a bad thing about drh for 3 days if he gets through this inning w no runs

[arkimadee]

man i would love if every game came on this late

[Griffey012]

Most teams have been able to get Lee and Hernandez out of the game before the 9th inning and then they score their runs and win the game. But, the REDS have the "Baker says be aggressive approach, led by Joey Votto", so they don't take enough pitches to get Cliff Lee out in 8 innings.

They are going to have to tie it up against Cliff Lee.

That "Baker" approach has this team near the tops in the league in most offensive categories.

[redsfan_12]

man i would love if every game came on this late

I like it. But staying up till 12:30-1:00 to watch this garbage is pushing it lol

[arkimadee]

3 straight outs.. can we go for four?

[Griffey012]

DRH looks like the DRH I remember from last season, however this is a AAA lineup.

[Reds]

they don't know DRH, after you see him his stuff isn't the same

[arkimadee]

i bet ichiro tatoos this 3-2 pitch

[arkimadee]

nope.. YAY DRH

[George Foster]

Why Seattle built an outdoor stadium (with all the cold rainy weather) without a short porch in right field for Griffey Jr. Is one of the dumbest things ever done in baseball not talked about....

[redsfan_12]

Powerhouse lineup coming up. Cairo and Miller.

[Griffey012]

Cairo, Miller, OCab due up...sounds like some runs!!!








Psych.

[arkimadee]

i thought it was a retractable? or no? they had wrestlemania there one year

[arkimadee]

Cairo, Miller, OCab due up...sounds like some runs!!!








Psych.
looks like the 9th is the best chance to score

[Reds]

ichiros 20 game interleague hit steak might end tonight.

[arkimadee]

if cairo gets on i would pinch run stubbs

[George Foster]

i thought it was a retractable? or no? they had wrestlemania there one year

you might be right but it's not a "short porch" it should of been made for Griffey...

[Kingspoint]

Cairo should have been pinch-hit for here. He's clueless against Lee.

[arkimadee]

ok kingspoint.. you win.. cairo should have not played today

[redsfan_12]

Cairo sucks Does anyone dislike him as much as i do?

[FlyerFanatic]

dusty is a moron. i thought he had him figured out dusty?

[Kingspoint]

if cairo gets on i would pinch run stubbs

If Cairo got on I would pinch myself.

I would have been dreaming.

[George Foster]

ok kingspoint.. you win.. cairo should have not played today

who else is there? Nix?? he's a lefty. Clueless. Stubbs? no chance.

[redsfan_12]

Steal cabrera. Nothing to lose here

[arkimadee]

wow.. what was that??? a basehit? ok phillips.. 2 run bomb here

[George Foster]

Steal...what do you have to lose? get a runner in scoring position.

[Kingspoint]

who else is there? Nix?? he's a lefty. Clueless. Stubbs? no chance.

Everyone is a better hitter than Cairo. Janish at SS and Cabrera DH-ing would have been better.

[Griffey012]

Wild pitch works!

[arkimadee]

looks like he doesn't have to steal

[redsfan_12]

That works. Now let's get our bs run!!

[George Foster]

that will work as well, come on Phillips

[redsfan_12]

God almighty.

[arkimadee]

gd mf it!

[Kingspoint]

One single can get us the only run we need tonight (until we can get the Mariners' bullpen), but no......not tonight.

[Griffey012]

Everyone is a better hitter than Cairo. Janish at SS and Cabrera DH-ing would have been better.

We know you love Janish and think he is as good as Barry Larkin. We know you HATE Dusty. Can you please just stop shoving it down our throats everyday.

[arkimadee]

what happened to this clutch 2 out hitting ive heard so much about

[George Foster]

God Phillips....take another pitch. He just threw one away...wow

[FlyerFanatic]

We know you love Janish and think he is as good as Barry Larkin. We know you HATE Dusty. Can you please just stop shoving it down our throats everyday.

yes...accept mediocrity.

[redsfan_12]

Well. Were gonna get swept. Hernandez tmar, auto loss and fatty going Sunday.

[Kiss the Baby00]

i dont get all the stubbs hate, he is hitting over .300 in the last month w solid run, rbi, and HR numbers and he plays a heck of a CF

its not like hes willie tavares. hes not in his mid 30s and a career .250 hitter. he is in his first full year starting, gotta give the guy time to adjust to the major league level jsut a little.

[Kingspoint]

That "Baker" approach has this team near the tops in the league in most offensive categories.

It works when you play teams like Houston, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and the Cubs, but not when you face good pitchers. Against good pitchers, you have to take pitches and not let them go 8 or 9 innings against you, even if it means you're swinging from behind in the count a lot. You can always protect the plate w/ 2 strikes, not swing for the fence like the REDS have done all night, and foul off three or four pitches and make the pitcher work. Not a chance with Baker's philosophy.

[George Foster]

Well. Were gonna get swept. Hernandez tmar, auto loss and fatty going Sunday.

If the Reds keep running Harrang out there, they deserve to lose. He's horrible.

[Reds]

how many pitches does cliff have? :(

[FlyerFanatic]

how many pitches does cliff have? :(

prob right around 100

[GIDP]

I love Baker's "selective" use of the stats.

Yea Cairo is so good against Lee but didnt have the stones to trust the stats enough to bat him higher than 9th. :laugh: Guy seriously is just a walking "hes due" cliche.

[George Foster]

how many pitches does cliff have? :(

like 38:D

[arkimadee]

i guess things even out in the end.. Cueto pitches like crap Saturday and gets the win. .He pitches great tonight and will probably get the loss

[redsfan_12]

Can we ever beat one good pitcher?! Oswalt, Carpenter, Grienke,... Hell, we still gotta face Jimenez and Lincecum :bang:

[Kingspoint]

i thought it was a retractable? or no? they had wrestlemania there one year

It is retractable. It takes 20 minutes. But it's not indoors. It just puts an umbrella over the stadium.

[GIDP]

Guys I dont want to be debby downer but tehre is a strong chance we dont win a game this whole series.

[George Foster]

Guys I dont want to be debby downer but tehre is a strong chance we dont win a game this whole series.

we have to get into their bullpen tomorrow.

[arkimadee]

i'm not gonna rule out a 9th inning run.. we got joey, scotty, johnny and jay coming up.. they can always get lucky and hit one out

[Griffey012]

It works when you play teams like Houston, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and the Cubs, but not when you face good pitchers. Against good pitchers, you have to take pitches and not let them go 8 or 9 innings against you, even if it means you're swinging from behind in the count a lot. You can always protect the plate w/ 2 strikes, not swing for the fence like the REDS have done all night, and foul off three or four pitches and make the pitcher work. Not a chance with Baker's philosophy.

Good pitchers become better pitchers when they get ahead. Not everyone swings at the first pitch, but there is no reason to let the pitcher have the free pass to get ahead. If the hitters are chasing bad pitches that is the problem of the hitter. The best pitch you are likely to get from Lee, Carpenter, etc. is the first strike. Cause after they get ahead the beat you in, away, off-speed, etc.

[redsfan_12]

Guys I dont want to be debby downer but tehre is a strong chance we dont win a game this whole series.

Oh, I agree 100%. Tomorrow is an automatic loss, and lard a$$ is going Sunday

[arkimadee]

a nice 2 run ninth and cordero to shut it down would be nice.. i would go to sleep a happy man.

[GIDP]

we have to get into their bullpen tomorrow.

With how this team swings the bat early and often I dont know if thats going to happen. Then with Lecure on the mound chances are they are into our by the 6th again.

[Kingspoint]

yes...accept mediocrity.

Yes. I said I'd wait until June to complain about Dusty, but it's June and the complaints are in flood stage right now. The river levels will lower when stupid things stop happening like DH-ing Cairo and putting the worst Defensive team that he could put in a Pitcher's park.

[redsfan_12]

a nice 2 run ninth and cordero to shut it down would be nice.. i would go to sleep a happy man.

Dream on lol

[George Foster]

a nice 2 run ninth and cordero to shut it down would be nice.. i would go to sleep a happy man.

well it's good to dream. I don't see it happen

[redsfan_12]

Lmao eff this team.

[Kingspoint]

And, that's why you put your best defensive team out there in Safeco

[Reds]

bad fielder, we know this. that's why we are considering DeJesus.

[GIDP]

This game is tied if we played our best D.

We might be winning if we played our best line up.

Bakermetrics at its worst.

[George Foster]

wow....I don't have anything to say...

[FlyerFanatic]

Yes. I said I'd wait until June to complain about Dusty, but it's June and the complaints are in flood stage right now. The river levels will lower when stupid things stop happening like DH-ing Cairo and putting the worst Defensive team that he could put in a Pitcher's park.

agreed. im not a huge janish guy, but he deserves more time certainly. DH-ing cairo and 9th is dumb. i dont understand the argument that, "who else do you play" its anyone else! most believe cairo shouldnt be on the team, no reason he should be getting starts.

[arkimadee]

you cant blame that on bad defense.. just bad luck.. stubbs did that a few weeks ago

[redsfan_12]

They'll score. No doubt in my mind

[Kiss the Baby00]

no real excuse for not having gomes DH in an AL game

[arkimadee]

spit the bit? what the hell does that mean keels

[Griffey012]

a nice 2 run ninth and cordero to shut it down would be nice.. i would go to sleep a happy man.

What this guy said!

[George Foster]

Rhodes is in some pain..

[GIDP]

agreed. im not a huge janish guy, but he deserves more time certainly. DH-ing cairo and 9th is dumb. i dont understand the argument that, "who else do you play" its anyone else! most believe cairo shouldnt be on the team, no reason he should be getting starts.

Give Dusty a terrible player he will find a reason to play him, and play rely on him.

[Kingspoint]

Good pitchers become better pitchers when they get ahead. Not everyone swings at the first pitch, but there is no reason to let the pitcher have the free pass to get ahead. If the hitters are chasing bad pitches that is the problem of the hitter. The best pitch you are likely to get from Lee, Carpenter, etc. is the first strike. Cause after they get ahead the beat you in, away, off-speed, etc.

Great teams force good pitchers to throw more pitches against them by taking more pitches and not swinging for the fences. The REDS don't do this, and that's why they struggle against good pitchers more than other teams struggle against good pitchers.

If you're going to win playoff games you're going to have to bat "effectively" against good pitchers, and that means taking pitches early against them. If you notice that he's reading that and is throwing some fastballs down the middle on the first pitch, you have one or two guys keep him honest and look for the dead-red fastball.

[arkimadee]

arthur being arthur.. he got 4 easy outs

[Kiss the Baby00]

i hope Rhodes is ok, if he goes on the DL we are screwed

[redsfan_12]

Last chance. Were the best at winning in last ABs, they are the best at giving them up

[George Foster]

spit the bit? what the hell does that mean keels

It's a horse term....meaning the horse got wild, gave up, went crazy, lost concentration.

[arkimadee]

this would be a good night for an nl ballpark.. they would have had to pinch hit for lee by now..

[GIDP]

Cairo is 0-3 tonight.

Now 5-12. I hope someone points out the sample size to Dusty.

[Kingspoint]

no real excuse for not having gomes DH in an AL game

It should be his job. He's a born DH.

[arkimadee]

:) good start...

[Kingspoint]

They'll score. No doubt in my mind

Here's hoping you're right.

:beerme:

[redsfan_12]

Good start

[George Foster]

replace votto for stubbs, to run. Move ciro to 1st.

[redsfan_12]

Here's hoping you're right.

:beerme:

I was talking about them after Gomes dropped the ball

[arkimadee]

i let the boppers swing away instead of playing small ball here

[Kingspoint]

I was talking about them after Gomes dropped the ball

I thought you meant the REDS.

Well, let's hope for the miracle here.

[arkimadee]

well its up to bruce

[redsfan_12]

Well. Goodnight fellas. Hate going to bed pissed

[Kingspoint]

They aren't pinch-running Gomes?

[arkimadee]

oh.. nm .. heisey

[George Foster]

replace votto for stubbs, to run. Move ciro to 1st.

wow...Dusty should of done this. Ran Stubbs during Rolen's at bat.

[redsfan_12]

Lmfao now you pinch run?!?

[Kingspoint]

Stubbs is in to run.

[arkimadee]

man i want cliff lee on this team

[Kingspoint]

well its up to bruce

Up to Heisey.

[George Foster]

RUN STUBBS

[Kingspoint]

Nice lineup construction there, Duhsty!

Goodnight!

[redsfan_12]

Ballgame. F*** em

[arkimadee]

well this was a waste of time

[ILoveWilly]

Bravo Reds. We continue to freaking suck.

[redsfan_12]

We suck

[FlyerFanatic]

june swoon

[Reds]

If we can trade for him, that guy can pitch.

[GIDP]

Nice camera work on that last pitch.

Hope Dusty learned his lesson tonight. He probably didnt, because he makes similar stupid mistakes every few days.

[George Foster]

You have the fastest White guy in the national league on 1st....and you don't run him??? You don't put him in for Votto? Who is running this team?

[Reds]

I still think we'll win 4 of the next 5 on the roadtrip.

[redsfan_12]

We can't...
Beat a pitcher that people have heard of
win on the west coast
quit allowing bs 2 out runs
get a manager without his head stuck up his ass

[George Foster]

I still think we'll win 4 of the next 5 on the roadtrip.

Don't get cought by the police with what your smoking...:eek:

[NeilHamburger]

Next time the Reds are in first will be April of 2011.

[GIDP]

If Stubbs is in Center the Mariners dont score.

If Cairo doesnt DH we wouldnt have 3 sub .300 OBP guys in a row in our order.

Basically we played with a line up that equaled 6 innings worth of ABs.

[RedsFanInBama]

If any of you expected a win going into tonight you have more faith in this team than I do. Like the guy above said, if we face a pitcher that anyone has heard of, our bats don't exist. I fully expect us to get it shoved up our butts again tomorrow by Hernandez.

Also, watching Cueto pitch is maddening. Does he not know he's got good stuff or is he just physically unable to throw strikes? His efficiency is no better today than it was two years ago.

[NeilHamburger]

Bottom line is this offense is just flat out terrible against good pitching and just destroys bad or okay pitching.

It's one thing to struggle against good pitching. But this offense is flat out dominated by anyone who throws well. And I mean dominated to a degree that is bordline absurd. It's the mark of an overrated team, one that will suck as soon as they face a higher level of competition.

[NeilHamburger]

Cueto has shown exactly ZERO improvement in 3 years.

When looking at MLB players I tend to look at MLB service time over age. If after 3 years he's shown no improvement, and maybe even regressed, I really don't think he'll ever be more then a 4.5 .500 pitcher.

[RedsFanInBama]

Jiminez is in year 4. We can always hope. :confused:

[NeilHamburger]

By the way, I'm not saying a .500 pitcher with a mid 4 era isn't useful. It's not what many hoped for with Cueto. But, it is what it is.

[bshall2105]

Did anyone else vote yes for the vuvuzelas?

[Kiss the Baby00]

Cueto has shown exactly ZERO improvement in 3 years.

When looking at MLB players I tend to look at MLB service time over age. If after 3 years he's shown no improvement, and maybe even regressed, I really don't think he'll ever be more then a 4.5 .500 pitcher.


did you miss the part where he allowed 1 ER?

[bshall2105]

did you miss the part where he allowed 1 ER?

Yeah he looks great against the Pirates and the Mariners, but against even average lineups Cueto seems to implode. He'll also put together a dominating run like he had in May, and in other games look clueless. Jonny needs to show more consistency, and I think that's what all of us are expecting out of him, because he is certainly capable.

[Kingspoint]

If Stubbs is in Center the Mariners dont score.

If Cairo doesnt DH we wouldnt have 3 sub .300 OBP guys in a row in our order.

Basically we played with a line up that equaled 6 innings worth of ABs.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

[Maker_84]

Bottom line is this offense is just flat out terrible against good pitching and just destroys bad or okay pitching.

It's one thing to struggle against good pitching. But this offense is flat out dominated by anyone who throws well. And I mean dominated to a degree that is bordline absurd. It's the mark of an overrated team, one that will suck as soon as they face a higher level of competition.

I've been bashed for saying stuff like this in the past but it looks like i was right unfortunately. The Reds are really just an average team that got ahead by playing in a very weak division and a bunch of scrubs

[NeilHamburger]

did you miss the part where he allowed 1 ER?

And he couldn't throw 6 innings. Even when he has good stuff against poor teams in a pitchers park he can't put it all together. And next game he's just as likely to give up 5 in 5 innings as he is to throw 6 or 7 good innings.

[RedsFanInBama]

did you miss the part where he allowed 1 ER?

Which is fine, but how does a guy do that and not even last six innings? He's just so inefficient on the mound. With his stuff, he should be one of the best pitchers in the game. But he wastes so many pitches and he gets himself into so much trouble by walking people. BTW, I'm talking about him in general, not specifically last night.

[Kiss the Baby00]

And he couldn't throw 6 innings. Even when he has good stuff against poor teams in a pitchers park he can't put it all together. And next game he's just as likely to give up 5 in 5 innings as he is to throw 6 or 7 good innings.

man pitchers sure do suck when they dont throw CG SOs every start. :rolleyes:

Cueto has given up 5 ER twice this year and 8 ER once. He has 8 starts where he gave up 3 ER or less.

Other pitchers off the top of my head who have 3 starts this season w 5+ ER:

Halladay: 6,6,5
Lackey: 8,5,6 ( makes 18mill)
Burnett: 6,6,6,8 ( makes 16 mill)
Felix Hernandez: 7,7,5
Garza: 5,6,7
Sabathia: 5,5,6,6


This is jsut a short list. Many other pitchers have 2 starts where they have given up 5+ ER. I think you need to get a reality check. Not every pitcher is gonna throw a perfect game everytime out. Cueto is 24, throws 96 MPH and makes 440k. He is one of our more stable guys in the rotation, I think you need to focus your pitching hate on someone else because it seems you are just complaining for the sake of seeing your own words in print.

[Kiss the Baby00]

Which is fine, but how does a guy do that and not even last six innings? He's just so inefficient on the mound. With his stuff, he should be one of the best pitchers in the game. But he wastes so many pitches and he gets himself into so much trouble by walking people. BTW, I'm talking about him in general, not specifically last night.

Here are the Reds starters and their average pitches per inning:
Leake…………..15.4
Arroyo…………15.7
Cueto….……….16.8
Bailey…………..17.7
Harang……….. 18.0


so cueto is throwing one pitch more per inning than our best guy. :rolleyes:

over the course of a game, Cueto is 5-6 pitches less effective than our best guy. definitely seems like something you should complain about:thumbdown

[RedsFanInBama]

Here are the Reds starters and their average pitches per inning:
Leake…………..15.4
Arroyo…………15.7
Cueto….……….16.8
Bailey…………..17.7
Harang……….. 18.0


so cueto is throwing one pitch more per inning than our best guy. :rolleyes:

over the course of a game, Cueto is 5-6 pitches less effective than our best guy. definitely seems like something you should complain about:thumbdown

The most recent stat I saw had him at 17.1. Regardless, he makes things harder on himself than he should. Maybe I'm judging him against too harsh a standard, but his stuff is filthy. I don't judge him against "our best guy." To me, that's a piss poor standard.

[Reds]

Was it Maddux that said that he always tried to keep it to 12 pitches an inning, his thought being that he wanted to go the distance. That's hard to do on the mound, I was amazed he actually gunned for a specific number of pitches an inning.

[Kiss the Baby00]

The most recent stat I saw had him at 17.1. Regardless, he makes things harder on himself than he should. Maybe I'm judging him against too harsh a standard, but his stuff is filthy. I don't judge him against "our best guy." To me, that's a piss poor standard.

so now 5-1 w 3.02 era is piss poor ????? :confused:

jsut admit that you wont be happy until all 5 of our starters throw CG SOs every single start and no batters ever get out, ever. Do you beat your kids when they bring home B's?