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RedsManRick
06-18-2010, 06:59 PM
Announcing your DH, Miguel Cairo!

SS Cabrera
2B Phillips
1B Votto
3B Rolen
LF Gomes
CF Heisey
RF Bruce
CA Hernandez
DH Cairo

SP Cueto RHP

Seriously Dusty? You couldn't have a great defensive OF and Gomes DH?

redsfaninbsg
06-18-2010, 07:02 PM
This is easily the worst move of the year. Seriously, why in the hell would you DH Cairo?

kaldaniels
06-18-2010, 07:05 PM
These 2 games against these 2 pitchers are going to tell me a lot.

kaldaniels
06-18-2010, 07:06 PM
And while on the subject of Cliff Lee...under what scenario does a guy with an ERA of around 5 over 4 years suddenly become a no-doubter top-5 pitcher in the league. Anyone know the story on that?

pedro
06-18-2010, 07:07 PM
Cairo vs. Cliff Lee



OPPOSING PITCHER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Cliff Lee 9 5 0 1 0 2 0 0 .556 .600 .778 1.378

kaldaniels
06-18-2010, 07:10 PM
Wonder if tonight's game isn't Heisey's shot. A nice performance and I think we'd see him starting tommorrow.

Raisor
06-18-2010, 07:18 PM
nevermind

oneupper
06-18-2010, 07:34 PM
And while on the subject of Cliff Lee...under what scenario does a guy with an ERA of around 5 over 4 years suddenly become a no-doubter top-5 pitcher in the league. Anyone know the story on that?

No idea. But FOUR walks so far this year. That's it...4. :eek:

flyer85
06-18-2010, 07:40 PM
This is easily the worst move of the year. Seriously, why in the hell would you DH Cairo?

Must be the dugout dice

Spring~Fields
06-18-2010, 07:54 PM
Announcing your DH, Miguel Cairo!



Seriously Dusty? You couldn't have a great defensive OF and Gomes DH?

Either what you are suggesting or since Cabrera was mentioned in that article as having some type of injury, have him DH and Janish play SS

Cairo at DH is beyond my ability to comprehend.

I don't think your manager :) believes in OBP or defense now.

lollipopcurve
06-18-2010, 07:56 PM
All players need starts and this is a good spot for Cairo, given his history against Lee.

kaldaniels
06-18-2010, 07:57 PM
For curiosity sake I'd like to see Stubbs against CL, but I can't knock a manager for DHing Cairo who's had sucess, albeit limited, against a top shelf pitcher.

Spring~Fields
06-18-2010, 09:18 PM
AB Vs Lee Vs Left
Cabrera 29 .276 .300 .310 .610 .371 .429 .457 .886
Phillips11 .364 .333 .727 1.061 .300 .319 .457 .776
Votto 1 1.000 1.000 4.000 5.000 .240 .337 .360 .697
Rolen 13 .538 .571 .923 1.495 .286 .406 .554 .960
Gomes 21 .095 .174 .095 .269 .333 .432 .633 1.065
Heisey 0 .000 .158 .273 .474 .747
Bruce 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 .263 .349 .434 .783
Hernand 17 .235 .263 .294 .557 .263 .333 .368 .701
Cairo 9 .556 .600 .778 1.378 .364 .417 .409 .826

Stubbs 0 .000 .278 .342 .514 .856
Nix 0 .000 .375 .444 .500 .944
Janish 2 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000 .214 .389 .286 .675
Miller 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 09:20 PM
Since I was supposed to start this GT to continue the Reds winning streak, this is the best I can do:

*THIS TEXT IS MY OFFICIAL START TO THE GAME THREAD*

There we go. I'll see if that's enough. ;)

I should be able to do PBP again tonight.

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alloverjr
06-18-2010, 09:29 PM
Wonder if tonight's game isn't Heisey's shot. A nice performance and I think we'd see him starting tommorrow.

Don't know, but it does appear that Heisey has changed his batting stance which I think is essential for him to have any success at this level. The other night when he homered he seemed to have held his hands lower and dropped his bat from the vertical position it had been previously. Or maybe I was drunk.

TheNext44
06-18-2010, 09:49 PM
Don't know, but it does appear that Heisey has changed his batting stance which I think is essential for him to have any success at this level. The other night when he homered he seemed to have held his hands lower and dropped his bat from the vertical position it had been previously. Or maybe I was drunk.

Or in my case, both. :)

TheNext44
06-18-2010, 09:57 PM
The only other real option for DH is Heisey with Stubbs in CF. And I can understand the way Stubbs has been hitting, or not hitting lately, why Baker would want to give him a day off.

And I have stopped underestimating Cairo this season.

Edit: The only real option for DH is Heisey with Stubbs in CF. I don't want anyone to think that I think that Cairo is a "real" option for DH.

PuffyPig
06-18-2010, 09:58 PM
Carpenter leaves them loaded in the first, but gives up 4 in the 2nd, Cards down 4-2 after 2.

jojo
06-18-2010, 10:04 PM
For curiosity sake I'd like to see Stubbs against CL, but I can't knock a manager for DHing Cairo who's had sucess, albeit limited, against a top shelf pitcher.

I'd hope Dusty didn't make that decision based upon 9 ab....

pedro
06-18-2010, 10:04 PM
Cairo's going to go yard to left field. Long.

CTA513
06-18-2010, 10:09 PM
Carpenter leaves them loaded in the first, but gives up 4 in the 2nd, Cards down 4-2 after 2.

Up to 68 pitches after 3 innings.

Degenerate39
06-18-2010, 10:11 PM
I don't care if Cairo has 5 hits or not against Lee. Gomes should be DH today with Stubby in center and Hi-C in left

VR
06-18-2010, 10:18 PM
Things you will never see......Aaron Harang just leapt up to reach over the fence and rob BP of a homerun in bp. Stunning...and the crowd went wild

TheNext44
06-18-2010, 10:26 PM
I'd hope Dusty didn't make that decision based upon 9 ab....

And any past success against Lee is pretty irrelevant. He's a completely different pitcher since the last time most of these guys faced him.

edabbs44
06-18-2010, 10:30 PM
I don't care if Cairo has 5 hits or not against Lee. Gomes should be DH today with Stubby in center and Hi-C in left

Not saying that this is the case now, but it seems like whenever the "obvious" doesn't happen (ie Ramon pinch hitting over Nix) there is a reason why it goes down like that. Maybe Stubbs is battling something or maybe he is struggling and needs a blow (like when you have a .625 OPS over the last two weeks).

Or...maybe not. From Fay.




“Against this guy, Cairo is one of the few ones with success,” Baker said. “That’s the only way I could get Cairo in there without taking someone else out.


http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/06/18/why-cairo/

Puffy
06-18-2010, 10:32 PM
Cairo vs. Cliff Lee



OPPOSING PITCHER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Cliff Lee 9 5 0 1 0 2 0 0 .556 .600 .778 1.378


Get out of here with your facts and stuff. Baker's worst move ever!!!!!!!!

edabbs44
06-18-2010, 10:33 PM
And any past success against Lee is pretty irrelevant. He's a completely different pitcher since the last time most of these guys faced him.

Cairo - 3-4 with a triple and a ribbie against Lee in 2008 (when he was 22-3 with a 2.54 ERA).

If I could get odds on a Cairo multi-hit game tonight, I'd be all over it. He does his best when RZ busts out the venom.

Raisor
06-18-2010, 10:34 PM
Get out of here with your facts and stuff. Baker's worst move ever!!!!!!!!

It's 9 atbats.

It's too small a sample to even be a small sample size. It's a micro sample size.

A mini sample size?
Tiny sample size?

Itty bitty?

It's two games worth of at bats.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 10:37 PM
I got PBP for the 1st 3 innings. Then you're on your own.

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 10:41 PM
A's and Cardinals are now tied 4-4 in the 5th with the Cardinals still batting.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 10:44 PM
OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we put up like six runs on Lee the last time we faced him when he was with Cleveland (and was on a tear that year that led up to the Cy Young)?! I swear I remember that and if we can't put up too much against him, maybe they can at least run up his pitch count so they can pounce on their bullpen and really do some serious damage. And regarding Cairo, at least he's not batting higher in the order tonight. Gotta find the positives everyone, LOL ;)

I'm glad part of this west coast trip falls during the weekend when I can stay up late to watch the games. I'm sitting here with my green tea ready to watch the game and like all other good Reds fans around the country, I'm also doing my nails. I know you're all jealous, LOL :p:

Raisor
06-18-2010, 10:50 PM
If we're going to go with a small sample size, what about Nix this year against LHP? 8 ABs .375 .444 .500 .944.

KronoRed
06-18-2010, 10:53 PM
If Cairo is 5 for 9 career, why not lead off?

BCubb2003
06-18-2010, 10:56 PM
It's 9 atbats.

It's too small a sample to even be a small sample size. It's a micro sample size.

A mini sample size?
Tiny sample size?

Itty bitty?

It's two games worth of at bats.

A nanosample?

Chip R
06-18-2010, 11:04 PM
OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we put up like six runs on Lee the last time we faced him when he was with Cleveland (and was on a tear that year that led up to the Cy Young)?! I swear I remember that and if we can't put up too much against him, maybe they can at least run up his pitch count so they can pounce on their bullpen and really do some serious damage. And regarding Cairo, at least he's not batting higher in the order tonight. Gotta find the positives everyone, LOL ;)


I think the Reds gave him his first loss that day. That was right around when Jay was called up, no?

jojo
06-18-2010, 11:04 PM
Announcing your DH, Miguel Cairo!

SS Cabrera
2B Phillips
1B Votto
3B Rolen
LF Gomes
CF Heisey
RF Bruce
CA Hernandez
DH Cairo

SP Cueto RHP

Seriously Dusty? You couldn't have a great defensive OF and Gomes DH?

There's so much here to chew on...

Safeco's left and center tend to hold up flyballs so a flyball pitcher like Cueto can be given a boost by having a great defensive outfield. Left field almost plays like centerfield so it's especially desirable to have good defense there.

Not sure I understand the outfield tonight in that light.

That said, Safeco rewards left handed hitters.

We have two in the lineup tonight.

Really with Lee on the hill what's Dusty supposed to do I guess? Dusty is playing against the pitcher, not the park.

Cairo at DH though? I'm perplexed there.

Anyway, Gomes will probably have a webgem, Cairo will probably hit two homers, and the righties will likely pound the ball senseless...

jojo
06-18-2010, 11:07 PM
I think the Reds gave him his first loss that day. That was right around when Jay was called up, no?

I remember that match up.... was it Cueto or Volquez he was matched against.... I think it was EV who was also having just as nice of an early season?

VR
06-18-2010, 11:11 PM
Were sitting just up from home plate tonight.....looking forward to seeing Lee and Cuetos stuff

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:11 PM
We are go.

Cabrera up.

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Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:12 PM
9
1 out
Phillips up

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HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Don Wakamatsu looks like he could be Kyle Chandler's brother. :eek:

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:14 PM
9/ Ichiro with a good catch having to take it from Figgins
2 out
Votto up

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durl
06-18-2010, 11:15 PM
If Brandon hadn't been running, that ball might have dropped. :)

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:16 PM
1B/ Joey goes opposite field
Runner on 1st
2 out
Rolen up

2B
1B->3B/Votto
Runners on 2nd and 3rd
2 out
Gomes up

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:16 PM
Rolen now 8 for 14 lifetime against Lee as he doubles.

durl
06-18-2010, 11:18 PM
I have this "thing" about swinging at the first pitch but it sure looks like we'll be seeing a lot of that tonight. Lee is too good at getting ahead.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:18 PM
5-3
3 out
Top of 1st over
Suzuki up

0-0

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HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:18 PM
Ahhh, that could have been a great start for the Reds but I'm glad they got some hits right off the bat. I don't blame them for wanting to hit early pitches from Lee. He's a strike thrower for sure and if you wait too long he'll kill you with the offspeed or cutting stuff.

Cedric
06-18-2010, 11:19 PM
Keels just said that was the second out of the inning. I've watched a ton of sports in my day and have never seen any announcer mess up as much as this guy.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:20 PM
Corky catching for some reason. Wonder if RH is hurt?

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:20 PM
Miller in catching in place of Hernandez

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:20 PM
4-3
1 out
Figgins up

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Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Cairo moved to 8th
Corky batting 9th

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HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Hmmm, that's an odd change. If anyone finds out anything please post it here. I'm going to check a few places.

Glad they kept Ichiro off the bases but you gotta keep Figgins off them too.

REDSEER
06-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Oh boy....if Hernandez is hurt, we are in a world of hurt at that position.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:22 PM
Hmmm, that's an odd change. If anyone finds out anything please post it here. I'm going to check a few places.

If the TV broadcast says anything, I'll post it. Full count on Figgins, BTW.

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TheNext44
06-18-2010, 11:22 PM
Oh boy....if Hernandez is hurt, we are in a world of hurt at that position.

I wonder what Paul Bako is up to ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:23 PM
I think I read that Hanigan may be available as early as next week.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:23 PM
8
2 out
Bradley up

BTW, I'll probably do more than 3 innings.

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11larkin11
06-18-2010, 11:24 PM
Denove is a suitable replacement, and Wilkin hasn't been putrid with the bat this year.

CesarGeronimo
06-18-2010, 11:24 PM
The Reds radio guys say that Hernandez has "George Brett-like issues". That's a delicate way of sayng it's hemorrhoids, I believe.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:24 PM
96 MPH fastball to strike out Bradley

durl
06-18-2010, 11:25 PM
Great start by Cueto. Easy plays. I like 1st innings to go that way.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:25 PM
K(swinging)
3 out
Bottom of 1st over
Heisey up

0-0

320

edabbs44
06-18-2010, 11:25 PM
The Reds radio guys say that Hernandez has "George Brett-like issues". That's a delicate way of sayng it's hemorrhoids, I believe.

Never had one, but have to assume that it is worse for a catcher.

Pun intended.

jojo
06-18-2010, 11:25 PM
The Reds radio guys say that Hernandez has "George Brett-like issues". That's a delicate way of sayng it's hemorrhoids, I believe.

pine tar?

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:26 PM
Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder how Paul and Chris are going to talk about it on the air, LOL :laugh:

durl
06-18-2010, 11:26 PM
pine tar?

Ooh. Pine tar on hemorrhoids would be terrible.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:27 PM
Hmm, if that's the case, I wonder how Paul and Chris are going to talk about it on the air, LOL

Really. There's really no delicate way to put that.

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Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:28 PM
K(swinging)
1 out
Bruce up

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REDSEER
06-18-2010, 11:28 PM
"Lower back pain" according to Keels and Welsh

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:28 PM
"Lower back pains" That's what they're calling it?! I hope it actually is hemorroids and not some sort of back pain. :eek:

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:30 PM
K(swinging)
2 out
Cairo up

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:31 PM
Fay also has lower back pain as the problem with Hernandez.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:31 PM
6-3
3 out
Top of 2nd over
Lopez up

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11larkin11
06-18-2010, 11:32 PM
I've been extremely happy with Bruce's progress this year, but it is still absolutely mesmerizing how many fastballs he isn't late or early on, but just swings right through. Literally more than anyone I have ever seen. Three straight on that AB.

TheNext44
06-18-2010, 11:34 PM
Technically, Hemorroids are "lower back pain."

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:34 PM
Lower back pain for anyone= not good

Lower back pain for a professional athlete= very not good

Lower back pain for a CATCHER= very very not good

2B
Runner on 2nd
0 out
Gutierrez up

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fearofpopvol1
06-18-2010, 11:34 PM
An honest question...why in the world is Gomes playing LF instead of DH'ing?? Put Stubbs in CF and Heisey in LF and leave Cairo on the bench.

durl
06-18-2010, 11:34 PM
Technically, Hemorroids are "lower back pain."

Lower "backside" pain, yep.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:35 PM
5-3
1 out
Runner on 2nd
Wilson up

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HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:37 PM
How long does it take to get over 'lower backside pain' normally?

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:37 PM
BB
Runners on 1st and 2nd
1 out
Carp up

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_Sir_Charles_
06-18-2010, 11:39 PM
Things you will never see......Aaron Harang just leapt up to reach over the fence and rob BP of a homerun in bp. Stunning...and the crowd went wild

Were you joking with this?

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:39 PM
How long does it take to get over 'lower backside pain' normally?

Not sure. They make ointment for it though. ;)

It could seriously be actual lower back pain though. I take it that George Brett had "lower backside pain" during his career?

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durl
06-18-2010, 11:40 PM
Nice to see that changeup from Johnny.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:40 PM
I love Johnny's changeup when he has it working. Awesome pitch. :)

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:40 PM
K(swinging)
2 out
Runners on 1st and 2nd
Johnson up

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_Sir_Charles_
06-18-2010, 11:42 PM
Oh boy....if Hernandez is hurt, we are in a world of hurt at that position.

I think they said he just had a stiff back.

CesarGeronimo
06-18-2010, 11:42 PM
I think it is the backside pain, but the Reds have probably told the media that it's lower back pain so they don't embarrass Ramon. Jeff Brantley wouldn't have come up with George Brett-like issues out of nowhere. He and Marty kind of chuckled about calling it that on the radio. Marty said that was a good thing to call Ramon's problem because he hadn't known what to say about it.

In other news, Fay just said on the radio that it's going to be a while before Hanigan can play. He said he had talked with Ryan who said he's not going to try to catch for a while because every time he does his thumb swells.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:43 PM
Bases loaded on the 2nd walk of the inning.

durl
06-18-2010, 11:43 PM
Cueto's getting that pitch count up this inning.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:43 PM
BB
Both runners move up
Bases loaded
2 out
Saunders up

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pedro
06-18-2010, 11:43 PM
I think they said he just had a stiff back.

Or a stiff crack.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Johnny....stop walking guys who are barely hitting over the Mendoza line. :eek:

VR
06-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Johnny is aiming, not pitching

durl
06-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Johnny....stop walking guys who are barely hitting over the Mendoza line. :eek:

No kidding.

Degenerate39
06-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Maybe Cueto should just start every game after the 2nd inning is complete

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:44 PM
*whew*

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Cards beat the A's 6-4. Reds and Cards tied for 1st.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Fo5
3 out
Bottom of 3rd over
Miller up

0-0

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fearofpopvol1
06-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Cards just won, FYI. Reds need to win this one to stay in 1st place.

durl
06-18-2010, 11:46 PM
Maybe Cueto should just start every game after the 2nd inning is complete

Great. Now you know that LaRussa's going to steal that idea and have a "Beginning Pitcher" go 2 innings every game, switching relievers and starters.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:47 PM
Lord, I thought Corky got a hold of one there! :eek:

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:47 PM
Miller hit that one well to the track in right center.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:47 PM
8/ on the track
1 out
Cabrera up

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11larkin11
06-18-2010, 11:48 PM
Took me 3 innings and one drive to see it. The hype is true, Franklin Gutierrez is right on par with Stubbs, if not better.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:49 PM
7
2 out
Phillips up

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pedro
06-18-2010, 11:50 PM
Took me 3 innings and one drive to see it. The hype is true, Franklin Gutierrez is right on par with Stubbs, if not better.

He was right on that. Impressive.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Phillips just missed a HR doubling off the top of the wall.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
2B
2 out
Runner on 2nd
Votto up

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edabbs44
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
They are getting some good swings on Lee.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Double for Brandon! They're hitting hard off Lee tonight but they gotta either hit it farther or hit it to the gaps better. :)

durl
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
BP hit that one HIGH off the wall. Looked like it hit the yellow stripe. Good thing he was running out of the box.

_Sir_Charles_
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
3 possible dingers this inning if we were at home. Make that 4.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Everyone hit the ball hard that inning.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Joey JUST missed that one!! I agree that we're up about 5-0 if we're playing this game at home right now. :eek:

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:52 PM
8/ on the track
3 out
Top of 3rd over
Suzuki up

0-0

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durl
06-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Three balls his to (at least) the warning track this inning. Maybe they're figuring Lee out.

Chip R
06-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Took me 3 innings and one drive to see it. The hype is true, Franklin Gutierrez is right on par with Stubbs, if not better.

Much better than Stubbs. Stubbs is at a level defensively with Willie T.

Screwball
06-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Geez, the balls carries absolutely nowhere in Safeco.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:54 PM
6-3
1 out
Figgins up

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:54 PM
Nice play by Cabrera

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:55 PM
8
2 out
Bradley up

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HeatherC1212
06-18-2010, 11:56 PM
Dang, those were two quick outs. I went upstairs for a minute and come back to two outs all ready.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Cueto strikes Bradley out for the 2nd time tonight.

Tony Cloninger
06-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Did anyone read Lee's lips as he turned around to look at BP after his double (I have the Mariners feed)

Basically....he said "F*** Head." Phillips just grinned and muttered something.

Redsfan320
06-18-2010, 11:57 PM
K(swinging)
3 out
Bottom of 3rd over
Rolen up

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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2010, 11:58 PM
Through 3 innings:

55 pitches for Cueto
43 pitches for Lee

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:00 AM
6
1 out
Gomes up

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11larkin11
06-19-2010, 12:01 AM
Much better than Stubbs. Stubbs is at a level defensively with Willie T.

Eh, Stubbs has had some rookie errors (most rookies do, see: Jay Bruce), but I was talking about range. Franklin looks better because he plays in a bigger stadium. Stubbs' strides are so long that he doesn't look to cover as much ground as he does.

As far as Willy T., Stubbs' arm is MUCH better than Willy's. Stubbs just has to avoid the pitchers mound.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:02 AM
4
2 out
Heisey up

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Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:03 AM
1B
Runner on 1st
2 out
Bruce up

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Degenerate39
06-19-2010, 12:03 AM
I like Heisey

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:04 AM
That's what we have to do tonight. Get some hits off the guy and start stringing them together. The ball is clearly not flying out of the ballpark right now. Nice hit by Heisey.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:05 AM
Jay has not looked good these 2 ABs against Lee tonight.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:05 AM
K(swinging)
3 out
Top of 4th over
Lopez up

This will be my last inning.

0-0

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Chip R
06-19-2010, 12:07 AM
Eh, Stubbs has had some rookie errors (most rookies do, see: Jay Bruce), but I was talking about range. Franklin looks better because he plays in a bigger stadium. Stubbs' strides are so long that he doesn't look to cover as much ground as he does.

As far as Willy T., Stubbs' arm is MUCH better than Willy's. Stubbs just has to avoid the pitchers mound.

I'll give you range but Stubbs is still a work in progress IRT fielding the ball. Like Willie T he uses his speed to cover up for bad breaks.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:07 AM
8
1 out
Gutierrez up

320

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:08 AM
It looks like if Jay had 50 ABs against Lee, he'd go 0-50. In 2 ABs tonight, he's yet to even make contact with a single pitch.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:08 AM
Cueto shattered that bat.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:08 AM
Jay has not looked good these 2 ABs against Lee tonight.

That is a large understatement. Cliff Lee has made him look childish twice

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:08 AM
^^^^
Yes indeed.

320

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:09 AM
Johnny Cueto - Breaking Bats from Coast to Coast :p:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:09 AM
4 Ks for Cueto.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:09 AM
K(swinging)
2 out
Wilson up

320

Cedric
06-19-2010, 12:10 AM
Jay has had serious trouble hitting fastballs the whole year. His swing is really long right now. He doesn't miss any breaking ball in the zone though.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:11 AM
That is another ball that would have been out at GABP.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:11 AM
2B/ Just barely stayed in the park
Runner on 2nd
2 out
Carp up

320

jojo
06-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Took me 3 innings and one drive to see it. The hype is true, Franklin Gutierrez is right on par with Stubbs, if not better.

FG is better than Stubbs. He's kind of what ya hope Stubbs will be...

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Jay has had serious trouble hitting fastballs the whole year. His swing is really long right now. He doesn't miss any breaking ball in the zone though.

It used to be the other way around for Bruce. Seems like his hitting is the ole hole in the boat gag. As soon as he plugs a leak another one springs.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
Another bat he broke right down the middle.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
FG has a few years of experience on Stubbs too.

TheNext44
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
They are getting some good swings on Lee.

Just from watching this game, I am less convinced that Lee is the best pitcher in the majors right now. He's darn good, clearly one of the best, but he uses his park and defense to his advantage, and probably wouldn't be as good on another team. Again, based only on tonight's game.

_Sir_Charles_
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
FG is better than Stubbs. He's kind of what ya hope Stubbs will be...

but it does say something that the guy we're comparing Stubbs to is the best CF'er in the game. But I agree...he's not there yet.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
Nice play by Al Swearegen

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:14 AM
Carp is out on a ball that bounced right at the plate.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:15 AM
2/Corky tags him out on a ball right in front of the plate
3 out
Bottom of 3rd over
Cairo up

0-0

I'm out! Later,

320

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Just from watching this game, I am less convinced that Lee is the best pitcher in the majors right now. He's darn good, clearly one of the best, but he uses his park and defense to his advantage, and probably wouldn't be as good on another team. Again, based only on tonight's game.

He reminds me of Carpenter. Sometimes he's hittable against teams he doesn't face often. Could be a lack of a solid scouting report.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Cairo pops out to 2nd.

Redsfan320
06-19-2010, 12:18 AM
Thanks for taking over the PBP for me, RF!

Later,

320

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:18 AM
Miller strikes out swinging on a pitch in the dirt. 2 outs.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:18 AM
Have a good night 320!

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:19 AM
Corky is not slim

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:19 AM
Cabrera grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 5th.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:19 AM
At this rate the game will be over by midnight (or still tied because no one has scored any runs). :eek:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:20 AM
71 pitches for Lee

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:20 AM
Keep running that Lee pitch count up....

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:20 AM
Big inning for cueto here. Like to see him have a quick one so he can get into the seventh tonight

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:21 AM
Cabrera's really struggled as of late. He's OPSing under .600 his last 28 days, and tonight he's working on an Ofer.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:22 AM
Apparently Cabrera has been playing with a sprained ankle since early June.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:22 AM
Nice grab by Cueto there.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:23 AM
Johnson grounds out back to Cueto. 1 out.

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:24 AM
Apparently Cabrera has been playing with a sprained ankle since early June.

There's no good reason for that with Janish on the bench, IMO. At least Janish can provide top shelf defense with his sub .600 OPS bat.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:24 AM
Is there some sort of promotion at safeco tonight? Seems like a packed house

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:25 AM
Is there some sort of promotion at safeco tonight? Seems like a packed houseYes it an Ichiro and Junior bobblehead.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:25 AM
They're giving away bobbleheads of Ichiro and Junior. They talked about it earlier in the broadcast.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:25 AM
Saunders grounds out to 2nd.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:25 AM
Yes it an Ichiro and Junior bobblehead.

Thanks knew it had to be something

_Sir_Charles_
06-19-2010, 12:26 AM
There's no good reason for that with Janish on the bench, IMO. At least Janish can provide top shelf defense with his sub .600 OPS bat.

Agreed. I don't get it. Give him a rest. Right now we're running he and Brandon into the ground.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Ichiro has to have one of the oddest batting stances I've ever seen but it definitely works for him and has for a long time.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:27 AM
Ichiro grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 after 5.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:28 AM
We're getting to Lee this inning I can feel it:cool:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:28 AM
91 pitches for Cueto.

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Nice job, Cueto!

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
Phillips flies out to center.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
If vuvuzuelas make it to baseball games, I'm bringing some thundersticks with me to drown those things out. SO annoying. :eek: :bang:

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
Way to not get his pitch count up guys. *shakes head*

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
If vuvuzuelas make it to baseball games, I'm bringing some thundersticks with me to drown those things out. SO annoying. :eek: :bang:Someone tried to bring one in Yankee Stadium the other day and they threw him out of the park.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Votto fouls out to 3rd.

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Come on, Scott

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Someone tried to bring one in Yankee Stadium the other day and they threw him out of the park.

Good. They're not a tradition here so leave them in South Africa. :eek:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:32 AM
Rolen grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 6th.

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:32 AM
Or not

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:34 AM
That was an 8 pitch inning. 79 pitches now for Lee

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Figgins strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Cueto.

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Cueto

TheNext44
06-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Yes it an Ichiro and Junior bobblehead.

It was great that they got to play together.


YouTube - Ichiro Suzuki And Ken Griffey, Jr In New Seattle Mariners Commercial 2010. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW384YzzHKM)

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:37 AM
Heisey!!! :D

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:38 AM
Great catch by Heisey!

reds44
06-19-2010, 12:38 AM
Heisey isn't quite s graceful as Stubbs is out there lol

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:38 AM
Heisey is an easy guy to root for helluva catch

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:38 AM
That better be a web gem tonight. :)

TheNext44
06-19-2010, 12:39 AM
Heisey is an easy guy to root for helluva catch

He's like Freel, only with skills. :)

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:39 AM
Lopez hit by the pitch

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:40 AM
He's like Freel, only with skills. :)

Freel had skills. Farney had his brain though

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:40 AM
I thought that was too much action for a cutter, so I checked. Cueto's throwing his slider ~92 and 93 mph tonight. :eek:

Wow.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:41 AM
Strasburg got a loss tonight?? Does this mean the world ends now??! :eek:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:42 AM
Bloop single to center in front of Heisey. 1st and 2nd.

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:42 AM
That's ok. Stay cool, Cueto

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:42 AM
This inning should be it for cueto. I don't like how he's falling behind and the reds bullpen with runners in is typically awful

TheNext44
06-19-2010, 12:43 AM
Reds getting burned by Safco a few times tonight.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Dang it. I thought they had him out at home.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Wilson singles to center. 1-0 Mariners. They just missed nailing the runner at the plate.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:44 AM
The throw was good just a second too late.

jojo
06-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Stubbs wouldve gunned him

Matt700wlw
06-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Hell of a throw.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:45 AM
Cueto leaves at 115 pitches

Cedric
06-19-2010, 12:45 AM
Gotta blame the baseball gods here. Corky missed that tag by half an inch.

Not going the Reds way at all lately.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:45 AM
Heiseys poor throw nixed that. It was up the line and it's vey hard to catch and tag on the chest high throw from the catcher

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:45 AM
Hell of a throw.

Looked like the throw beat Lopez. Corky should've let it get a little deeper and then applied the tag.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Cueto: 5.2 IP, 4H, 1ER, 2BB, 1HBP

RedsManRick
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Jeez, I turn the game on to a 0-0 duel and get greeted with a HBP, Single, Single and no more Cueto. Sorry guys!

_Sir_Charles_
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Sucks that we're losing, but an excellent outing overall by Cueto. gotta get the bats going.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Jeez, I turn the game on to a 0-0 duel and get greeted with a HBP, Single, Single and no more Cueto. Sorry guys!

Go away!!! :p:

TheNext44
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Herrera coming in.

Do you think the Reds can come back down 3-0 against Lee tonight? ;)

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Looked like the throw beat Lopez. Corky should've let it get a little deeper and then applied the tag.

It was too far up the line to get it deeper

WVRedsFan
06-19-2010, 12:47 AM
Stubbs wouldve gunned himYep and that second hit would have been a piece of cake for Stubbs to catch. You gripe about Stubbs, but you need him in center field. If he's in there, it's still tied.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:47 AM
Sweeney hitting for Carp

WVRedsFan
06-19-2010, 12:48 AM
DRH in. let's hope this isn't the gasoline in the fire. He's been horrible this year.

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
It was too far up the line to get it deeper

Too far up the line?? It was right at the right handed batter's box. It was a fine throw that should've gotten Lopez.

_Sir_Charles_
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
Danny with a K

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
Nice K there although that was kind of confusing, LOL

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
Sweeney strikes out swinging. 1-0 Mariners after 6.

reds44
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
Nice job by DRH.

Cedric
06-19-2010, 12:50 AM
Going to be very tough to score this game. The Reds pretty much give away outs at the 8/9/1 spot.

Hard to win games with major holes in stretches of a lineup.

forfreelin04
06-19-2010, 12:51 AM
Too far up the line?? It was right at the right handed batter's box. It was a fine throw that should've gotten Lopez.

That's up the line to me. IMO you want to throw through the catcher on a bounce to the plate, not on a high line off the plate

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:52 AM
Gomes flies out to the track in right.

_Sir_Charles_
06-19-2010, 12:53 AM
Is the air at Safeco made out of Jello? Good lord that ball just dies out there.

WVRedsFan
06-19-2010, 12:54 AM
With Lee pitching and the spacious field, this baby may be over already. That's sad considering how well Cueto was pitching.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:54 AM
If we played in this ballpark our record right now would be like 45-10 or something. :eek:

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:54 AM
Heisey strikes out swinging on a nasty curveball.

Screwball
06-19-2010, 12:54 AM
I appreciate the fact Lee walks just about nobody, but I think he'd put up a 4.00+ ERA at GABP. He gives up all kinds of flyouts, many hard hit that find the warning track at Safeco.

I mean, don't get me wrong, he'd be a good addition, but not worth trading the farm for, IMO.

Cedric
06-19-2010, 12:55 AM
Oh great. Another inning that goes Corky/Cairo/Cabrera.

It's basically down to one at bat for the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:55 AM
Bruce flies out to center. 1-0 Mariners mid 7th.

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:56 AM
That was a 10 pitch inning. 89 pitches for Lee.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-19-2010, 12:56 AM
So much for having an "easy" interleague schedule.

What good is playing the Indians, Royals and M's if you can't beat them?

Spring~Fields
06-19-2010, 12:57 AM
With Lee pitching and the spacious field, this baby may be over already. That's sad considering how well Cueto was pitching.

Cairo is coming up, our team still has a shot. :)

Reds Fanatic
06-19-2010, 12:57 AM
Reds 9-21 against the AL West going into tonight.

HeatherC1212
06-19-2010, 12:58 AM
It's not an easy interleague schedule when the Cy Young (or potential Cy Young) guys keep coming up during those series. Greinke, Lee, and Hernandez right in a row is not an easy road to wins.