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JaxRed
06-19-2010, 04:11 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=513&stn=true&sid=t513

Duran, Lohman, Billy Hamilton there.

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2010, 04:24 PM
No Juan Silva? He hit .280/.372/.462 - .834 in the GCL last season. He should be ready for Billings.

There's some good athletes on that roster. Yorman Rodriguez, Juan Duran, Billy Hamilton...

mace
06-19-2010, 04:37 PM
I hope they've seen some progress in Duran that warrants the move. Because his record doesn't indicate that he'd be ready to handle that level.

mace
06-19-2010, 04:44 PM
It's an interesting roster. They must like Jesus Adames. Tucker Barnhart is listed under the infielders (but as a DH). Theodis Bowe, William Stramp and Starlin Gerson are worth watching. And of course, there's Cline, Tuttle and Corcino.

lollipopcurve
06-19-2010, 04:46 PM
Interesting choices. Agree with OBM re: Silva. Thought he'd be there ahead of Duran, for sure. Having both Lohman and Hamilton there seems odd, as does the listing of Barnhart as a DH. All in all, a much more interesting Billings squad than we've seen recently.

I have a feeling that AZL team is going to be very young and very Latin.

Edd Roush
06-19-2010, 04:46 PM
It's an interesting roster. They must like Jesus Adames. Tucker Barnhart is listed under the infielders (but as a DH). Theodis Bowe, William Stramp and Starlin Gerson are worth watching. And of course, there's Cline, Tuttle and Corcino.

Isn't Barnhart the high school catcher we drafted out of Indiana last year? I didn't know there were quesitons about his defense? I was really hoping he would turn into an interesting catching prospect.

HokieRed
06-19-2010, 05:51 PM
Also found the roster interesting. Glad to see Shunick back, had hoped to see Hildenbrandt.

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2010, 07:12 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Junior Arias does in the AZL this season. Last year in the Dominican Summer League as a 17-year old he showed some power by hitting 11 doubles, 2 triples, and 6 homers in 208 atbats. He may be the most interesting prospect on the AZL team along with Ismael Guillon.

Benihana
06-19-2010, 07:41 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Junior Arias does in the AZL this season. Last year in the Dominican Summer League as a 17-year old he showed some power by hitting 11 doubles, 2 triples, and 6 homers in 208 atbats. He may be the most interesting prospect on the AZL team along with Ismael Guillon.

Guillon is playing in the AZL? Is he pitching or playing 1B? Also where will Arias play (2B, SS, or CF?) Any chance Valor plays in Arizona? Agreed that Arias and Guillon will be the most interesting guys in the AZL, at least until Cisco and/or Waldrop sign.

Also, I wonder who will get the majority of starts at SS between Hamilton and Lohman?

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2010, 07:56 PM
Guillon is a pitcher.

I assume Arias will stay at SS. Based on everything I've read, he has all the tools necessary to be a good defensive shortstop.

mace
06-19-2010, 08:30 PM
Interesting choices. Agree with OBM re: Silva. Thought he'd be there ahead of Duran, for sure.

I'm wondering if they're ticketing Silva for Dayton. Maybe they just wanted him to get some work in extended spring, then move him along. It doesn't seem to make sense that he'd be passed by Duran. He is, however, on the AZL roster--which, as a whole, has the look of being very fluid.

mace
06-19-2010, 08:33 PM
Guillon is playing in the AZL? Is he pitching or playing 1B? Also where will Arias play (2B, SS, or CF?) Any chance Valor plays in Arizona? Agreed that Arias and Guillon will be the most interesting guys in the AZL, at least until Cisco and/or Waldrop sign.

Also, I wonder who will get the majority of starts at SS between Hamilton and Lohman?

FWIW, neither Arias nor Guillon is currently listed on the AZL roster. Hildenbrandt is, however. So is Nathan Driessen, who I'd have thought would go to Billings.

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2010, 08:35 PM
FWIW, neither Arias nor Guillon is currently listed on the AZL roster. Hildenbrandt is, however. So is Nathan Driessen, who I'd have thought would go to Billings.

The new AZL roster hasn't been posted yet. The roster they currently have listed for the AZL Reds is from last year.

mace
06-19-2010, 09:10 PM
The new AZL roster hasn't been posted yet. The roster they currently have listed for the AZL Reds is from last year.

Oy, you're right. Some of those guys are out of the organization now.

Seems odd they wouldn't have a 2010 roster up yet in some fashion, seeing as how they start their schedule Monday.

dougdirt
06-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Oy, you're right. Some of those guys are out of the organization now.

Seems odd they wouldn't have a 2010 roster up yet in some fashion, seeing as how they start their schedule Monday.

Not really. The lowest level of teams are all organizationally run. They have never been updated with any frequency to speak of. I doubt we get a look at the roster until Monday.

OnBaseMachine
06-20-2010, 12:23 PM
From the Billings Gazette:


** The Billings Mustangs released their roster on Saturday (the one on the Mustangs' web site is a little different than the one they faxed me; William Stramp isn't on the faxed roster, while catcher Tucker Barnhart is), and a couple things stand out:

1) How young this team is. Nine players are still in their teens, though pitcher Tyler Cline will turn 20 on Thursday. Three others are 20 years old. Ten players were born in 1990 or later; 1990 is the last time the Cincinnati Reds won the World Series.

2) How "experienced" this team is. Twenty of the 29 players already have a year of professional baseball under their belts, meaning they've played at either the Gulf Coast League, the Dominican Summer League, or with the Mustangs. Twenty is quite a few, compared to past years.


http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/mustangs/mustangsalley/article_c369740e-7c0c-11df-bc81-001cc4c03286.html

dougdirt
06-20-2010, 02:00 PM
I don't believe Stramp is in the organization anymore. Just a left over name from last years roster.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2010, 01:18 PM
From the Billings Gazette:


Daniel Tuttle, a fifth-round selection from the 2009 draft, drew tonight’s starting assignment. Last year in the Gulf Coast League, Tuttle was 1-2 with a 1.67 ERA in 32 1/3 innings. The right-hander said he’s excited to get the season going.


Later, though, the Mustangs skipper did look into the future. He said he sees Major League potential in players like infielders Hamilton, Lohman and Jefry Sierra, outfielders Juan Duran and Yorman Rodriguez, and catcher Tucker Barnhart.

“I think we’ve got a few big leaguers on this team, quite honestly,” he said. “This is a good group here. I think as far as the Reds’ future, a lot of it’s going to come from this group right here.”


http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/article_fccd5374-7cfb-11df-bf7b-001cc4c03286.html

lollipopcurve
06-21-2010, 01:56 PM
Later, though, the Mustangs skipper did look into the future. He said he sees Major League potential in players like infielders Hamilton, Lohman and Jefry Sierra, outfielders Juan Duran and Yorman Rodriguez, and catcher Tucker Barnhart.

Sierra is a big surprise to me. Though he did hit .336 in the GCL last year.

The Billings squad has some serious speed.

redsmetz
06-21-2010, 02:05 PM
From the Billings Gazette:

Later, though, the Mustangs skipper did look into the future. He said he sees Major League potential in players like infielders Hamilton, Lohman and Jefry Sierra, outfielders Juan Duran and Yorman Rodriguez, and catcher Tucker Barnhart.

“I think we’ve got a few big leaguers on this team, quite honestly,” he said. “This is a good group here. I think as far as the Reds’ future, a lot of it’s going to come from this group right here.”

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/article_fccd5374-7cfb-11df-bf7b-001cc4c03286.html

That's quite a lot of players to make the big leagues at some point. We've rarely had that many Mustangs make it all the way through. Just perusing their rosters over the years, we had six from our first season out there (1978) make the ML's. Generally it's only 1 to 3, with some occasional exceptions. And then some of those who make it, really are just the proverbial cup of coffee and with another club. But we've had some decent players come through. It really is an eye opener to see how much winnowing takes place before players come to Cincinnati.

redsmetz
06-21-2010, 02:16 PM
BTW, here's the link to the rosters over the years for Billings:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/team_10108.shtml

JaxRed
06-21-2010, 02:35 PM
And they did refer to Barnhart as a catcher.

nemesis
06-21-2010, 03:19 PM
That's quite a lot of players to make the big leagues at some point. We've rarely had that many Mustangs make it all the way through. Just perusing their rosters over the years, we had six from our first season out there (1978) make the ML's. Generally it's only 1 to 3, with some occasional exceptions. And then some of those who make it, really are just the proverbial cup of coffee and with another club. But we've had some decent players come through. It really is an eye opener to see how much winnowing takes place before players come to Cincinnati.

It is the Latin American players who are high end talents that make that group so big. Siera, Duran and Yorman are part of that. I like the slow handed approach to develop these kids. Take them level by level until they reach A+. Then move them at their own personal developmental rate.

I do believe Hamilton seems rushed to Billings. But they have seen him all Spring so I'm sure they wouldn't put him there if they didn't think he had a decent shot at success. Silva was bit of a surprise. I would have taken him over Duran being promoted. But it is soooo nice to have even a discussion about all the talent in Rookie Ball that us as fan feel like should be there that isn't.

corkedbat
06-21-2010, 03:30 PM
Speaking of Billings, I see where they were hit by a pretty decent-sized twister this weekend. Anyone know if the stadium sustained any damage?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37830569

Benihana
06-21-2010, 03:42 PM
I do believe Hamilton seems rushed to Billings. But they have seen him all Spring so I'm sure they wouldn't put him there if they didn't think he had a decent shot at success.

Putting a second round selection in Billings in his second professional season is far from rushing, especially for a position player.

Hamilton will be playing in Dayton next year, therefore starting him anywhere other than Billings would be doing him a disservice.

I'm very curious to see who will get more reps at SS between him and Lohman.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2010, 03:44 PM
Speaking of Billings, I see where they were hit by a pretty decent-sized twister this weekend. Anyone know if the stadium sustained any damage?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37830569

Tonight's game is in question as the field was flooded last night according to the Billings Gazette.

redsmetz
06-21-2010, 04:43 PM
It is the Latin American players who are high end talents that make that group so big. Siera, Duran and Yorman are part of that. I like the slow handed approach to develop these kids. Take them level by level until they reach A+. Then move them at their own personal developmental rate.

I do believe Hamilton seems rushed to Billings. But they have seen him all Spring so I'm sure they wouldn't put him there if they didn't think he had a decent shot at success. Silva was bit of a surprise. I would have taken him over Duran being promoted. But it is soooo nice to have even a discussion about all the talent in Rookie Ball that us as fan feel like should be there that isn't.

It is a good situation to have and I hope the predictions prove to be true. We've had a number of years out there where a good handful of players became ML players, some of them productive players.

billy bob
06-21-2010, 05:19 PM
No damage to the ballfield just lots of rain, lots and lots of water standing in the outfield as of late last night... but i was told the game would be played as scheduled. If it doesn't rain any more today. Can't wait to see how Tuttle pitches tonight and how Hamilton, Duran, Rodriguez handle themselves. Should be fun!

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2010, 05:33 PM
Can't wait to see how Tuttle pitches tonight and how Hamilton, Duran, Rodriguez handle themselves. Should be fun!

Agreed. I'm looking forward to following this team. I'm especially excited about following the progress of Yorman, Duran, and Hamilton. I just wish Juan Silva was on that team to give them an outfield of Juan Silva/Yorman Rodriguez/Juan Duran.
On the pitching side of things, Daniel Corcino, Tyler Cline, Daniel Tuttle, and Starlin Gerson interest me the most. Tanner Robles is a sleeper too. I really like Corcino's arm.

OesterPoster
06-22-2010, 04:58 PM
If interested, Barnhart does have a few updates here and there on his Twitter page:

http://twitter.com/Tucker_Barnhart

11larkin11
06-22-2010, 06:35 PM
I didn't realize Barnhart attended the same high school as OSU star walk on/blogger/newst Harlem Globetrotter Mark Titus, as well as Butler star basketball player Gordon Heyward

GIDP
06-22-2010, 07:12 PM
I didn't realize Barnhart attended the same high school as OSU star walk on/blogger/newst Harlem Globetrotter Mark Titus, as well as Butler star basketball player Gordon Heyward

titus is on the Globetrotters? Surprising but dont expect anything less out of that guy lol.

11larkin11
06-22-2010, 07:15 PM
titus is on the Globetrotters? Surprising but dont expect anything less out of that guy lol.

He was just "drafted" today.

billy bob
06-22-2010, 07:24 PM
Hamilton and Barnhart are players... Looks like Duran is in over his head at Billings can't hit (but he might fall into one every once in a while and hit it a mile) and for sure no "D". Sorry Duran fans call it like i see it!!!

nemesis
06-22-2010, 08:09 PM
Hamilton and Barnhart are players... Looks like Duran is in over his head at Billings can't hit (but he might fall into one every once in a while and hit it a mile) and for sure no "D". Sorry Duran fans call it like i see it!!!

Exactly how many games have you seen Duran play? WHere did the D comments come from. If he had no "D" he'd be in LF or 1B. Obviously the powers that be think he plays enough D to be in RF and in Billings. Ya know the people who have watched him every day for 2+ years.

billy bob
06-23-2010, 03:16 AM
Sorry nemesis call it like i see it......seen enought to know... 2 mill. bonus came do that for people

dougdirt
06-23-2010, 11:22 AM
Sorry nemesis call it like i see it......seen enought to know... 2 mill. bonus came do that for people

Fortunately he is an 18 year old still, so his tools are more important than his skills right now. And his tools are impressive.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:55 PM
Fortunately he is an 18 year old still, so his tools are more important than his skills right now. And his tools are impressive.

Yep. If he was 20 or 21 I would be worried. He still has plenty of time to put it together.

dougdirt
06-23-2010, 01:07 PM
Yep. If he was 20 or 21 I would be worried. He still has plenty of time to put it together.

Yeah, lets remember that he would currently be a high school senior.

nemesis
06-23-2010, 03:53 PM
Yeah, lets remember that he would currently be a high school senior.

and Yorman a Junior.

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 03:18 AM
I can't believe how much information and knowledge comes from these small minor leagues through REDSZONE. I'm truly in awe at the number of contributers to this site about this subject (kudos to the admins for doing such a nice job of holding this together over the years through the flux and the bad times, especially).

bellhead
06-25-2010, 04:21 PM
So how high of a ceiling do Yorman, Hamilton and Barnhart have????

dougdirt
06-25-2010, 04:30 PM
So how high of a ceiling do Yorman, Hamilton and Barnhart have????

Yorman and Hamilton have arguably the two highest in the system (not sure how arguable it is to be honest). Barnhart is well below that. His ceiling isn't near as high, but he is thought to be a pretty polished player who gets the most of his abilities.

GOYA
06-25-2010, 05:18 PM
Yorman and Hamilton have arguably the two highest in the system (not sure how arguable it is to be honest).

It's certainly arguable with Chapman in the system.

bellhead
06-25-2010, 07:50 PM
I know Yorman opened a lot of eyes with his strong performance last year at Billings for a 16 year old. Hamiliton I know has a ton of tools with his position still to be determined either at 2nd, SS, CF. But Barnhart I don't know anything about?

If Yorman pounds the ball again this year will he get a full year at Dayton next year?

Scrap Irony
06-25-2010, 11:09 PM
I think the Reds will be very careful with Yorman. A full year in Dayton is likely in 2011. But if he truly mashes (900 OPS+) the ball, he may move up.