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batsfan
06-21-2010, 04:02 PM
According to Hittracker.com, Jay Bruce has 7 "no-doubt" home runs, which leads the major leagues. I don't know if this really means anything (Jose Bautista and Vernon Wells both have 6), but I thought it was worth posting.

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 04:08 PM
How far does a no-doubt home run have to go?

Kiss the Baby00
06-21-2010, 04:23 PM
jay bruce leads the ML in non clutch time HRs

bgwilly31
06-21-2010, 04:50 PM
Jay bruce has absolutely Failed this season.

Dude looks like a wetawd on the majority of his swings.

Most recently i remember his 1st AB vs cliff lee. 3 Straight fast balls he swung right through and missed them so badly i cant believe he had his eyes open.

redsfanmia
06-21-2010, 05:09 PM
jay bruce leads the ML in non clutch time HRs

I would say Adam Dunn leads in this category.

bubbachunk
06-21-2010, 05:10 PM
Still dont understand how people can complain and trash Bruce when he is OPSing 800 with gold glove defense at 23......

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 05:43 PM
Still dont understand how people can complain and trash Bruce when he is OPSing 800 with gold glove defense at 23......

OPS doesn't really matter when he has very little RBI's, his batting average is dropping, and his home runs rarely come at an important time. His defense is great though, but that's the only thing that makes him an above average outfielder.

Vottomatic
06-21-2010, 05:56 PM
Marty said on radio the other night "Jay just can't hit with men on base". Enough said.

TC81190
06-21-2010, 06:03 PM
Welcome to whipping boy territory, Jay Bruce. Enjoy the hollow criticisms.

bgwilly31
06-21-2010, 06:15 PM
:rolleyes:lol yeah we have no reason to criticize bruce.

MrMcConnell
06-21-2010, 06:35 PM
Marty said on radio the other night "Jay just can't hit with men on base". Enough said.

Not too many people know this because he seems a bit of an untouchable from Reds fans. He compares to Dunn because of his inability to hit in the 'clutch" (there's some argument that as well), but at least he plays GG defense. With that said, it's still very fair to criticize his hitting w/ guys no base and RISP. I'd venture to say he's the last guy I want up in a 'pressure' AB out of all of our 8 everyday players.

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 06:36 PM
I think he is Dunn Jr. on offense. Hopefully he'll be able to get up to 40 homeruns someday.

redsfanmia
06-21-2010, 06:36 PM
Marty said on radio the other night "Jay just can't hit with men on base". Enough said.

We all know what Marty says is the gospel truth.

MrMcConnell
06-21-2010, 06:39 PM
A guy with that much talent and his lack 'big AB' is very fair. Name for me one signature AB he's had so far? With his talent, you'd think you could easily think of one.


I think he is Dunn Jr. on offense. Hopefully he'll be able to get up to 40 homeruns someday.

That's not fair. Those 2 guys are VERY different players. Did Dunn ever hit abover .250 here? I was very hard on Dunn in the beginning, but he was simply a guy who was too expensive for a small market team like us. With all of his great attributes, his defense, lack of ability to put the ball in play in crucial situations, and lack of MORE timely hitting made me realize he's not worth it here. I'd rather spend it on pitching.

Unfortunately we're stuck with AH for another year. :(

EDIT: Yes, he hit above .250 3 times and a .249 year as well.

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 06:43 PM
Has Bruce ever hit .260 here? They both strikeout a ton, Bruce isn't great at putting the ball in play either, the only thing he does much better than Dunn at the plate is go the opposite way.

MrMcConnell
06-21-2010, 06:46 PM
Has Bruce ever hit .260 here? They both strikeout a ton, Bruce isn't great at putting the ball in play either, the only thing he does much better than Dunn at the plate is go the opposite way.

Nope, not yet, but Bruce has definitely improved a bit from last year. However, he's not the 'star player' that everyone thinks he will be.

1990REDS
06-21-2010, 06:47 PM
Just my opinion (so it may be wrong) but it seemed earlier this year when he was hitting well that he really shortened his swing up and was making a lot more contact and succeeding. Now it seems like he back to that long swing he had last year. Hopefully he figures it out cause with that glove and arm, if he can even be an average hitter he will help this team out for years to come.

GIDP
06-21-2010, 06:50 PM
OPS doesn't really matter when he has very little RBI's, his batting average is dropping, and his home runs rarely come at an important time. His defense is great though, but that's the only thing that makes him an above average outfielder.

It certainly doese matter. Hes getting on base for other people to knock him in.

RBIs doesnt mean everything.

MrMcConnell
06-21-2010, 06:51 PM
Just my opinion (so it may be wrong) but it seemed earlier this year when he was hitting well that he really shortened his swing up and was making a lot more contact and succeeding. Now it seems like he back to that long swing he had last year. Hopefully he figures it out cause with that glove and arm, if he can even be an average hitter he will help this team out for years to come.

I agree. I think he's regressed since his mid-April to end of May lines. Maybe it's just a fundamentals slump? :shrug

Krawhitham
06-21-2010, 06:56 PM
here is what he is

a 20-25 HR and 50-70 RBI guy with an above average arm who hits around .250 -.265

MrMcConnell
06-21-2010, 06:57 PM
here is what he is

a 20-25 HR and 50-70 RBI guy with an above average arm who hits around .250 -.265

I think you're underrating his arm.

Krawhitham
06-21-2010, 06:57 PM
It certainly doese matter. Hes getting on base for other people to knock him in.

RBIs doesnt mean everything.

means a lot when you hit with runners on all the time but you just can not drive them in

GIDP
06-21-2010, 07:00 PM
Well this thread was fun while it wasnt completely pointless to post in it.

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 07:02 PM
It certainly doese matter. Hes getting on base for other people to knock him in.

RBIs doesnt mean everything.

Well he's 11th on the team in on base percentage so he really isn't getting on too much. He does have 39 runs though, so he's doing well in that category.

GIDP
06-21-2010, 07:17 PM
Well he's 11th on the team in on base percentage so he really isn't getting on too much. He does have 39 runs though, so he's doing well in that category.
His OPS after his 0-22 start is .850.

Why is it that people remember the first 6 games so much? Its it because they just dont know anything and see what his seasonal line is or are they just being lazy?

.283/.363/.487

I dont know about you guys but those stats arent bad at all.

bshall2105
06-21-2010, 07:20 PM
Maybe it's because the first 6 games are a part of the season. He is accountable for what he has done all year.

davereds24
06-21-2010, 07:24 PM
His OPS after his 0-22 start is .850.

Why is it that people remember the first 6 games so much? Its it because they just dont know anything and see what his seasonal line is or are they just being lazy?

.283/.363/.487

I dont know about you guys but those stats arent bad at all.

lol so why don't you take out his best 6 game stretch too. You can't just pick and choose.

He is getting on base more, but his role on the team in the 5 or 6 hole isn't to get on base in front of the worst hitters on the team.

This no-doubt home run stat just confirms what we all know, he needs to stop swinging so hard and make more contact. Seems like all he does is K now.

GIDP
06-21-2010, 07:24 PM
Maybe it's because the first 6 games are a part of the season. He is accountable for what he has done all year.

I point back to my post a few ago.

This thread is pointless to post.

Have fun fellas.

bgwilly31
06-21-2010, 10:19 PM
Just my opinion (so it may be wrong) but it seemed earlier this year when he was hitting well that he really shortened his swing up and was making a lot more contact and succeeding. Now it seems like he back to that long swing he had last year. Hopefully he figures it out cause with that glove and arm, if he can even be an average hitter he will help this team out for years to come.

Oh your exactly right. His swing is LOnnnnggg! Stupid long.

Only thing bruce has going for him is he's young.

But his learning curve seems never ending. The guy just DONT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS> Like ever.

bshall2105
06-22-2010, 01:21 AM
He did a nice job shortening up on the inside pitch to drive in that run. Then he looked miserable again in his next at-bat. I just never know what to expect from him.

swaisuc
06-22-2010, 09:03 AM
I think he is Dunn Jr. on offense. Hopefully he'll be able to get up to 40 homeruns someday.

Adam Dunn Jr. on offense with gold glove defense combines for a very valuable ballplayer.

bshall2105
06-22-2010, 12:35 PM
Adam Dunn Jr. on offense with gold glove defense combines for a very valuable ballplayer.

I agree.

gilpdawg
06-23-2010, 02:15 AM
Need I remind everyone this guy is still only 23? If we're having this conversation 4 years from now, then we've got a problem. Dude's prime is still 3-4 years away. Most guys are still in AA when they're 23. But, this is the SunDeck, so I don't expect intelligent conversation except for a select few.

MrMcConnell
06-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Well this thread was fun while it wasnt completely pointless to post in it.

Yeah! He pushed his avg w/ RISP and 2 outs up to .190.

And with his recent hit, he's above .240 w/ RISP and above .200 w/ RISP and 2 outs. Hooray Jay!

MrMcConnell
06-23-2010, 03:52 PM
His OPS after his 0-22 start is .850.

Why is it that people remember the first 6 games so much? Its it because they just dont know anything and see what his seasonal line is or are they just being lazy?

.283/.363/.487

I dont know about you guys but those stats arent bad at all.

Of course they're not bad. But with the talent this guy has, it could easily be above .900 and more than 1.000.