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OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 11:46 AM
Edinson Volquez is making a rehab start for Louisville and Aroldis Chapman come come on to relieve him after he reaches his pitch count of 90. The game is about to get underway.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 11:55 AM
1-2-3 first inning for Volquez. 10 pitches/6 strikes.

dougdirt
06-23-2010, 11:58 AM
No more video problems for Louisville.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:01 PM
Other games today:

Carolina - 7:15 - LHP Travis Webb

Lynchburg and Dayton are still off for their All-Star breaks. Brad Boxberger threw a 1-2-3 inning last night in the Carolina League All-Star game while Dayton 2B Henry Rodriguez went 1-for-3 with 2 RBI in the Midwest League All-Star game. Lynchburg fires up their second half tomorrow night while Dayton starts up again on Friday.

The AZL Reds get underway at 10:00 PM tonight.

Billings regularly scheduled game will start at 9:05 with RHP Starlin Gerson making the start. They also have to finish last night's game which was suspended in the bottom of the 12th inning in a 2-2 tie.

The DSL Reds have already been postponed while the VSL Reds got underway at 10:30 AM.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:03 PM
Louisville went down 1-2-3 in the bottom of the first inning. Volquez retired Jeff Larish to begin the 2nd inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:07 PM
1-2-3 second inning for Volquez.

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 26 pitches/16 strikes

dougdirt
06-23-2010, 12:09 PM
Volquez hit 98 MPH on the stadium gun last inning. One thing I have seen early on though, is he seems to be leaving his change up up in the zone, rather than the bottom of the zone to take advantage of the tumble he gets on the pitch.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:12 PM
Louisville is throwing some serious heat out there today. Volquez is hitting 97/98, Chapman can hit 101. Valiquette has touched 100 before, maybe they'll bring him in after Chapman. :)

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:17 PM
Groundout to begin the third inning for Volquez.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 12:22 PM
Single followed by a double. Runners 2nd and 3rd with one out.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 12:22 PM
Sac fly to center. 1-0 Mud Hens.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:23 PM
Volquez has definitely been watching the Reds pitchers. ;) He retired the first seven hitters easily but has now given up a single and a double to the No. 8 and 9 hitters. Sac fly gives Toledo a 1-0 lead.

GIDP
06-23-2010, 12:24 PM
Volquez has definitely been watching the Reds pitchers. He retired the first seven hitters easily but has now given up a single and a double to the No. 8 and 9 hitters. Sac fly gives Toledo a 1-0 lead.

:laugh:

GOYA
06-23-2010, 12:24 PM
Dickerson was too sore after BP to play today.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:26 PM
Volquez: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 46 pitches/strikes

texasdave
06-23-2010, 12:26 PM
Dickerson was too sore after BP to play today.

How close would you estimate until Dickerson is ready?

GOYA
06-23-2010, 12:30 PM
How close would you estimate until Dickerson is ready?

I have no inside knowledge but if BP makes him too sore to play, it's going to be a little while.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 12:32 PM
Sutton DH .285
Cozart SS .245
Alonso 1B .229
Balentien RF .214
Francisco 3B .272
Frazier LF .210
Castillo C .263
Valaika 2B .303
Griffin CF .297

Volquez P

GOYA
06-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Cozart with a 2-out RBI single.

1-1 Tie

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:42 PM
Volquez gets Jeff Frazier to groundout to begin the 4th inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:46 PM
Two quick outs for Volquez before he gives up a two out single to Ryan Strieby.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:53 PM
Error on Cozart extends the inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 12:53 PM
Volquez: 4 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 67 pitches/39 strikes.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:02 PM
Louisville takes a 3-1 lead after Juan Francisco doubled and scored on a Todd Frazier 2-run HR (#9).

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:10 PM
Volquez K's the first batter in the 5th inning.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 01:11 PM
Cisco is 11 for 33 with 4 doubles since his return from the DL.

I really expected him to start off slower than that.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:13 PM
1-2-3 5th inning for Volquez.

5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 80 pitches/49 strikes.

At 80 pitches, he may be done for the day.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:23 PM
Carlos Fisher is pitching the 6th inning.

fearofpopvol1
06-23-2010, 01:27 PM
I thought Chapman was coming in after Volquez?

GOYA
06-23-2010, 01:27 PM
Fisher gives up a run and Chapman will pitch starting the 7th in a save opp.

GIDP
06-23-2010, 01:32 PM
1-2-3 5th inning for Volquez.

5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 80 pitches/49 strikes.

At 80 pitches, he may be done for the day.

gotta think they give him another start at least

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:32 PM
Juan Francisco is 3-for-3 with two doubles.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:36 PM
Frazier drives in Francisco with a single. Frazier is now 2-for-3 with a HR (#9) and 3 RBI.

4-2 Louisville after six innings.

OesterPoster
06-23-2010, 01:40 PM
Juan Francisco is 3-for-3 with two doubles.

Drive up that trade value Juan. :)

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:40 PM
From the pitches/strikes numbers along w/ the fact that he only K'd one, I'd like to see him make one more AAA start. Thoughts?

JaxRed
06-23-2010, 01:41 PM
Frazier is good guy. Hope he gets hot.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 01:41 PM
Volquez should make two more starts for the Bats. According to the timetable, anyway.

GIDP
06-23-2010, 01:42 PM
From the pitches/strikes numbers along w/ the fact that he only K'd one, I'd like to see him make one more AAA start. Thoughts?

I'd like to see it because of only 80 pitches. Id like for him to get passed 90 honestly.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:42 PM
From the pitches/strikes numbers along w/ the fact that he only K'd one, I'd like to see him make one more AAA start. Thoughts?

He needs at least 2-3 more starts, IMO. Don't wanna rush him.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 01:42 PM
Swing and a miss. Chapman punches out the first batter he faces.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:43 PM
Chapman K's the first batter he faces.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Frazier is good guy. Hope he gets hot.

Agreed. Todd is one of the nicest people you will meet. I met him at Redsfest a couple years ago. Great guy.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Last pitch was 99. Chapman walks the second he pitches to.

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Random, but over on ESPN2, the longest tennis match in history is still taking place. It's 40-40 (games, not score) in the 5th set. Over 7 hours now.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Random, but over on ESPN2, the longest tennis match in history is still taking place. It's 40-40 (games, not score) in the 5th set. Over 7 hours now.

That will certainly test your fitness level.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Error on a pickoff attempt moves the runner to 2nd. One out. Next batter grounds out to SS as the runner moves to third. Two outs.

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:48 PM
That will certainly test your fitness level.

lol. Understatement of the decade!

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:49 PM
Oh and the Reds game IS on TV today...MLB Network!!!

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 01:49 PM
Chapman: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 16 pitches/9 strikes.

cumberlandreds
06-23-2010, 01:51 PM
Chapman; New Reds closer?????

RedsFanInBama
06-23-2010, 01:51 PM
Is Chapman going to be like Cueto and drive me crazy with his control when he gets to the majors?

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:52 PM
Chapman; New Reds closer?????

I was hinting at, earlier this season, that maybe he could be the setup man.

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 01:56 PM
42-41 5th set now. This is beyond ridiculous. Just wow.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 01:58 PM
Did they give any reason as to why they snuck Fisher in there for an inning? Chapman wasn't completely warmed up or something?

GOYA
06-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Cozart is an RBI machine. :-)

6-2 Bats in the 7th

GOYA
06-23-2010, 02:01 PM
Did they give any reason as to why they snuck Fisher in there for an inning? Chapman wasn't completely warmed up or something?

I think that was it.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:01 PM
Griffin double, walk to Sutton. Valaika brings them home with a triple.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:01 PM
Alonso line-drive single. 7-2.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 02:01 PM
Alonso knocks in Cozart

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:02 PM
Cozart 2-run triple, now Alonso singles him in. 7-2 Bats.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:02 PM
I think that was it.

That wouldn't bode well for him as far as winding up in the pen.

SirFelixCat
06-23-2010, 02:07 PM
USA scores in stoppage time to advance to the knockout stage in the World Cup

Most ridiculous tennis match of all time

All we need is Lawrence Taylor to make a run for it, and in 20 years we can all watch "June 23rd, 2010" on ESPN 30 for 30.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:07 PM
Three pitch strikeout for Chapman to begin the 8th inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:08 PM
One out double by Jeff Frazier.

Tommyjohn25
06-23-2010, 02:08 PM
USA scores in stoppage time to advance to the knockout stage in the World Cup

Most ridiculous tennis match of all time

All we need is Lawrence Taylor to make a run for it, and in 20 years we can all watch "June 23rd, 2010" on ESPN 30 for 30.

You know what's funny? I was about the post the same thing almost word for word!

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Frazier drops a fly ball to the warning track by his brother as he hits the wall.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:10 PM
Frazier drops a fly ball to the warning track by his brother as he hits the wall.

Should have known. Louisville never plays defense when Chapman's on the hill.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:11 PM
Bad hop error on Valaika. 1st and 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:11 PM
You got to be kidding me. Jeff Larish reaches on an error. It really is hard to judge some of these pitchers just because the defense behind them is so bad.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Now a RBI single. Should have been a 1-2-3 inning.

Tommyjohn25
06-23-2010, 02:13 PM
It really does seem like the Bats play defense like a bunch of clowns when Chapman pitches. Either that or they do every night and I only really pay attention when Chapman pitches.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Chapman strikes out a MudHen on three pitches. 2 down.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Two 3 pitch K's for Chapman this inning.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Check swing strike on a 96 mph heater. Foul back strike two.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:16 PM
Grounder to second who goes to the SS for the force out. Inning over. 7-3 Bats. 36 pitches, 24 strikes.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Chapman: 2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 36 pitches/24 strikes

The errors cost him a run and quite a few pitches.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:21 PM
On the radio they stated that Adkins is up and throwing in the pen. Seems odd. Four-run lead and they have someone warming up?

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:26 PM
Adkins coming in for Chapman. No idea why.

medford
06-23-2010, 02:28 PM
USA scores in stoppage time to advance to the knockout stage in the World Cup

Most ridiculous tennis match of all time

All we need is Lawrence Taylor to make a run for it, and in 20 years we can all watch "June 23rd, 2010" on ESPN 30 for 30.

Well there was a 5.0+ earthquake in canada that could be felt in Cincy this afternoon, so you can add that to the list along w/ the spill in the gulf, the firing of a 4 star general and perhaps the Mayans knew more than I gave them credit for.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 02:29 PM
First batter against Adkins leaves the park.

medford
06-23-2010, 02:30 PM
perhaps they bring Chapman back on short rest as a "starter" to see how he responds to the quicker than normal 5 day turnaround and see if he could handle the transition to the pen for the 2nd half.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 02:31 PM
The whole point of pitching today was to keep him on schedule in the rotation. They're likely just using this as a way to keep his pitch count down.

nemesis
06-23-2010, 02:31 PM
First batter against Adkins leaves the park.

He has be beyond terrible this year. Joseph really needs a challenge. Why not move him up to AAA? He couldn't do worse and I suspect he would do much much better.

Scrap Irony
06-23-2010, 02:33 PM
The whole point of pitching today was to keep him on schedule in the rotation. They're likely just using this as a way to keep his pitch count down.

Or they're charting to see how well he does so that Chapman can go to Cincinnati as a reliever. (With his control, I don't know if this would be a great move or a really poor one.)

nemesis
06-23-2010, 02:33 PM
GOYA...

There is a thread in the ORG about Bray and the question was posed... Is he just lucking into his sucess or is his stuff looking that good? Your opinion?

nemesis
06-23-2010, 02:34 PM
Or they're charting to see how well he does so that Chapman can go to Cincinnati as a reliever. (With his control, I don't know if this would be a great move or a really poor one.)

He could end up like Felix Hernandez. Walk the first 3 strike out the next 3. Ahhh memories.

GOYA
06-23-2010, 02:35 PM
My actually seeing Bray pitch has been limited but he looks pretty good. He is still not 100%, according to an interview I heard with him, but he's gettting better all the time. I'd say he's very close to being ready for the Reds pen.

Scrap Irony
06-23-2010, 02:37 PM
Bray's throwing low to mid 90's with his FB, but I'm not sure about his slider, which is the key to his success. It's fast (low to mid 80's), but haven't seen the break.

jfleur87
06-23-2010, 04:14 PM
And the tennis match got even crazier as it was suspended for the 2nd time in as many days at 59-59 in the 5th set! Good luck to them trying to walk, let alone play tomorrow.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 05:01 PM
Cueto ahead 1-2 and walks a batter for the second inning in a row. Two on, two out.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 05:03 PM
They are pushing Leake's next start back a couple of days to get him some extra rest. He will go next Tuesday. Over the weekend it will be Harang on Friday, LeCure on Saturday and then Arroyo on Sunday.

texasdave
06-23-2010, 05:04 PM
nm

HeatherC1212
06-23-2010, 05:05 PM
Um, this is the minor league game update. Not sure why there's a Cueto update in here when he's not in the minors anymore. :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 09:36 PM
Mesoraco is back in Carolina's lineup tonight and is 1-for-3 with his 15th HR.

GIDP
06-23-2010, 09:45 PM
Mesoraco is back in Carolina's lineup tonight and is 1-for-3 with his 15th HR.

Silly.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Billings is scoreless after two innings. BTW, they lost the suspended game 4-3 in 14 innings.

Juan Duran is 1-for-1 with a double.

Starlin Gerson: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 10:00 PM
Ismael Guillon will be making his pro debut tonight for the AZL Reds. If you may recall, Guillon was signed by the Reds in that great 2008 International class. He originally signed for $625,000 but that contract was later voided and he resigned a cheaper deal after it was determined he would need Tommy John surgery. He just turned 18 in February so he still has plenty of time to develop. Keith Law said he impressed scouts in Instructional League with a 90-93 mph fastball from the left side and showed a good changeup. He's listed at 6-foot-3 so there's still som projectability left too.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 10:27 PM
Guillon so far: 2 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 3 K

Juan Silva is 1-for-1.

muddie
06-23-2010, 10:28 PM
The Mudcats pen comes through again tonight. Horst blew the save and Krebs flushed what was left down the toilet. Losing 6-5, the Mudcats gave up five runs late.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 10:28 PM
Mesoraco finished 1-for-3 with a HR (#15), a walk, and 2 RBI.

KoryMac5
06-23-2010, 10:32 PM
Mesoraco is back in Carolina's lineup tonight and is 1-for-3 with his 15th HR.

Mez has grown up to turn into a power hitting catcher. And the scary thing is he still has some room to grow and develop.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 10:39 PM
Guillon: 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

GIDP
06-23-2010, 10:52 PM
Guillon: 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

Looking interesting so far.

mace
06-23-2010, 11:01 PM
Ismael Guillon will be making his pro debut tonight for the AZL Reds. If you may recall, Guillon was signed by the Reds in that great 2008 International class. He originally signed for $625,000 but that contract was later voided and he resigned a cheaper deal after it was determined he would need Tommy John surgery. He just turned 18 in February so he still has plenty of time to develop. Keith Law said he impressed scouts in Instructional League with a 90-93 mph fastball from the left side and showed a good changeup. He's listed at 6-foot-3 so there's still som projectability left too.

Nice post. The long-awaited debut of Guillon, along with the long-awaited returns of Lotzkar and Hildrenbrandt, have made this a very interesting week. Daryl Thompson is back at it, as well. Time to dust off those old prospect lists.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Guillon: 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

Silva: 1-for-2
Arias: 1-for-2 triple

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 11:31 PM
Juan Duran is 2-for-3 with a double. He has two of Billings four hits through seven innings.

PuffyPig
06-23-2010, 11:31 PM
Mez has grown up to turn into a power hitting catcher. And the scary thing is he still has some room to grow and develop.

The fact that he was walking even when he wasn't hitting is very interesting.

Think Hannigan circa 2110 with major league power.

I expect our catchers next year to be Hernandez and Hannigan.

But Hannigan and Mez 2012.

And Mez and Grandal in 2013.

OnBaseMachine
06-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Guillon's final line: 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

Impressive K/BB ratio in his first start.

11larkin11
06-24-2010, 12:02 AM
Juan Duran is 2-for-3 with a double. He has two of Billings four hits through seven innings.

Wait, I thought he didn't have "it" and was a lost cause.

Hmph. Thought we cut him yesterday...

CrackerJack
06-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Juan Francisco is 3-for-3 with two doubles.

So are people pretty much writing him off, because there's not a spot?

I'm not so sure I'd trade one of the few mature power bats in the system right now?

OnBaseMachine
06-24-2010, 12:47 AM
Juan Silva contines to hit. He's now 3-for-5 with 2 RBI tonight. Junior Arias is 1-for-5 with a triple.

NeilHamburger
06-24-2010, 12:57 AM
So are people pretty much writing him off, because there's not a spot?

I'm not so sure I'd trade one of the few mature power bats in the system right now?

If he keeps it up I wouldn't mind him having Laynce's spot after the all star break. I know people will ***** about ruining his development with lack of playing time, but if the Reds are in it at that point I say go for it. Plus, if Dusty isn't going to play Rolen on day games after night games (I'm not arguing that it's good or bad) he could probably get 2-3 starts a week between those games and spot starts for Gomes.

Now, don't get me wrong, I still remember that game against Zambrano where he looked as bad as I've seen an MLB hitter look, and my gut says he would be exposed by MLB pitching. But, if he's hot I say give him a shot, you never know, maybe he is that special player who breaks the mold.

Plus, let's face it, he couldn't really be much worse then Nix or Cairo starting for Gomes and Rolen respectively.

I'm of the opinion for that for the Reds to take this division from the Cards they either need a major trade, or they need to catch lightning in a bottle with someone.

It could be Volquez coming up and pitching like he did the first half of 08.
It could be Chapman coming up and dominating the 8th inning with his stuff.
It could be Bailey coming back and pitching like he did for the last 2 months last year.
Or it could be Fransico staying white hot for 2 months and playing Vlad Guerrero for a half season.

Now, I'm not debating that any of those things are likely. But, if one or two of those things happen that's how I see the Reds winning the division.

OnBaseMachine
06-24-2010, 01:30 AM
The AZL Reds lost 15-12.

Juan Silva: 4-for-6 triple, 2 RBI
Junior Arias: 1-for-6 triple
Danny Vicioso: 3-for-5 two RBI

Ismael Guillon: 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2010_06_23_brrrok_cinrok_1

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:20 AM
gotta think they give him another start at least

80 pitches for Volquez already and it's only June 23rd. I would have never thought such a timeline was possible back at the beginning of April.

Could Volquez possibly push someone out of the Major League rotation come end of July?

Is he a natural replacement for Leake when Leake reaches 190 innings?

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:22 AM
Volquez should make two more starts for the Bats. According to the timetable, anyway.

That soon, huh?

Amazing.

Just one game back of the Cardinals and we have several players knocking on the door in Cincinnati. (Bray, Volquez, Hanigan, Burton if he can pitch better) Dickerson and Chapman and Wood in the next group. Time to package something together and grab Cliff Lee.

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:26 AM
Griffin double, walk to Sutton. Valaika brings them home with a triple.

Just love what Valaika's doing at the plate this season. The transition from Brandon to Valaika should be a smooth one whenever Walt decides that time is right. Would love to keep Brandon next season and let Valaika hit for another year in AAA.

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:28 AM
Bray's throwing low to mid 90's with his FB, but I'm not sure about his slider, which is the key to his success. It's fast (low to mid 80's), but haven't seen the break.

I've got to imagine with all the injuries that he's learned a lot about efficiency. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

OnBaseMachine
06-24-2010, 02:33 AM
Just love what Valaika's doing at the plate this season. The transition from Brandon to Valaika should be a smooth one whenever Walt decides that time is right. Would love to keep Brandon next season and let Valaika hit for another year in AAA.

I wouldn't say that. Brandon Phillips is OPSing well over .800 as of right now while playing Gold Glove defense. Valaika is OPSing .711 in AAA and isn't exactly a great defender. Valaika can hit for average but so far this season he's yet to hit a homer and he's only got 14 walks in 255 atbats. I think Valaika is more of a future utility player.

OnBaseMachine
06-24-2010, 02:45 AM
Volquez's start bumped Aroldis Chapman. Instead Chapman made his first professional relief appearance. The Cuban left-hander started the seventh and worked two innings, allowing one run and two hits with three strikeouts. He topped out at 99mph but got all three of his strikeouts on sliders.

Sweet said Chapman pitched in relief because he wanted to keep the lefty on his normal rotation.


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100623/SPORTS07/6230387/1036/Volquez+gets+closer+to+rejoining+Reds+with+7-4+Bats+win+over+Toledo+

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:56 AM
They are pushing Leake's next start back a couple of days to get him some extra rest. He will go next Tuesday. Over the weekend it will be Harang on Friday, LeCure on Saturday and then Arroyo on Sunday.
tx for the update, td.

:thumbup:

Kingspoint
06-24-2010, 02:59 AM
I wouldn't say that. Brandon Phillips is OPSing well over .800 as of right now while playing Gold Glove defense. Valaika is OPSing .711 in AAA and isn't exactly a great defender. Valaika can hit for average but so far this season he's yet to hit a homer and he's only got 14 walks in 255 atbats.

You're definitely right. I'm looking for Valaika's peak to be an "average" NL 2nd Baseman, not one of the Top-5 every year like Brandon has been. By "smooth transition", I simply meant that we should be comfortable handing the reigns over to Valaika as opposed to the SS auditions we've had since Larkin left. Didn't expect to get someone as good as Larkin and I don't expect to get someone as good as Phillips.

HokieRed
06-24-2010, 09:49 AM
I hope Chris Valaika is never regarded to be an everyday player in Cincinnati. He rarely walks, has no power, and is nothing special defensively according to reports. His batting average is the only thing that keeps him even remotely on the prospect screen. He's the best argument in the organization for just how good Brandon Phillips really is. I hope to see BP at 2nd for the Reds for years to come, just not in the 4 spot in the lineup.

NeilHamburger
06-24-2010, 09:58 AM
Yeah, with Harang, Arroyo coming off the books after this year, and Cordero coming off the books after next year I really don't see the need in dealing Phillips. Even if you do and use that money for a shortstop who would be available next year who would be a significant upgrade over Phillips in terms of production?

GIDP
06-24-2010, 10:27 AM
Why anyone would want to trade the Reds 2nd best player confuses me.

BRM
06-24-2010, 10:29 AM
Why anyone would want to trade the Reds 2nd best player confuses me.

As with any trade, it depends on the return. That said, I wouldn't be shopping Brandon.

GIDP
06-24-2010, 10:30 AM
As with any trade, it depends on the return. That said, I wouldn't be shopping Brandon.

Well obviously but I'm not talking normal resonable progression of baseball. I'm talking about people actively wanting to replace him just to replace him.

Screwball
06-24-2010, 11:08 AM
Well obviously but I'm not talking normal resonable progression of baseball. I'm talking about people actively wanting to replace him just to replace him.

Unfortunately, it's like that with any player set to make some money. Once Votto starts raking in at least $15 mill a year, there'll be some who can't wait 'til he "comes off the books."

dougdirt
06-24-2010, 12:03 PM
I hope Chris Valaika is never regarded to be an everyday player in Cincinnati. He rarely walks, has no power, and is nothing special defensively according to reports. His batting average is the only thing that keeps him even remotely on the prospect screen. He's the best argument in the organization for just how good Brandon Phillips really is. I hope to see BP at 2nd for the Reds for years to come, just not in the 4 spot in the lineup.

Valaika rarely walks, but while he hasn't hit for power, prior to breaking his hand last season the guy was coming off an 18 HR season. He has some power in there. Offensively, he is probably an average second baseman. Defensively he is probably an average second baseman. Thats a large step down from Brandon Phillips. There also isn't anything wrong with that.