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Vottomatic
06-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Post your ideas here. More teams are falling out of contention and might be ready to wheel and deal.

arkimadee
06-23-2010, 09:55 PM
I got one.. Lets trade Paul O'Neil for Roberto Kelly!!!! Yeah that would be a good trade

Vottomatic
06-23-2010, 10:38 PM
Best players that might be available, by team that has fallen out of contention and who might be interested in:

Orioles (24.5 games out)
Will Ohman - lefty relief pitcher with a decent ERA. Hitters batting around .250 off him. I'd be interested for the right price.

NOTE: Corey Patterson, in 128 at-bats, has 3 HR's, 10 SB's (caught once), and is batting .250 with an OBP of .307. Not interested, but was surprised he is playing so much.

Royals (11.5 out)
Joakim Soria (RH RP) age 26
Zach Greinke - if you could get him, you would
Kyle Farnsworth (RH RP)

Indians (13.5 games out)
Chin-Soo Choo - probably the next great table setter out there. You'd have to give up the world to get him because he's still making close to the minimum. .289 average, .389 OBP, 8 HR's, 11 stolen bases. Only 27. Been very consistent with those numbers the last 3 seasons including this one.
Chris Perez (RP) - decent relief pitcher. Hitters batting only .231 against him.

Oakland (10 games out)
Andrew Bailey (RH RP)
Craig Breslow (LH RP)

Seattle (13 out)
Cliff Lee - if you can get him for the right price, you do
Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, Felix Hernandez - are 3 good starting pitchers also.
Brandon League (RH RP)

Nationals (10 games out)
Tyler Clippard (RH RP) age 25

Houston (13.5 out)
Roy Oswalt - only if they'd pay part of his salary, and even then I'd still have to debate whether it was worth it.

Pittsburgh (14 out)
Andrew McCutcheon - former first round pick; another good table setter with good average, OBP, stolen bases, and some power too.
Evan Meek (RH RP) - nearly unhittable relief pitcher

Arizona (14 out)
Justin Upton - only 23 years old; hits for power and has speed
Dan Haren - goes without speaking

I'm trading for relief pitching first. If I could get a #1 or #2 worthy starter for a reasonable exchange, I'd think about it. I'm also concerned about our leadoff spot. I'd trade for an outstanding table setter like Choo or McCutcheon in a heartbeat, again, if the trade were fair.

Griffey012
06-23-2010, 11:14 PM
McCutcheon would be one of the least available players in the big leagues. Pittsburgh just can't trade a young stud for more prospects. We would have to start with Votto and Stubbs to get him.

Same can be said for King Felix and Upton, but I would love targeting a number of the other guys you listed. We have a gluttony of prospects in AAA, I say we make a splash.

bounty37h
06-24-2010, 09:47 AM
I am pretty sure I read AZ said any player not named Upton is available.

flash
06-24-2010, 09:52 AM
What about offering someone Hernandez? There are a lot of clubs that could use a good catcher.

redsfan_12
06-24-2010, 11:07 AM
Brett Myers from Houston

lidspinner
06-24-2010, 01:23 PM
outside of getting a long term solution at SS....I think I will stick to just wanting the Reds FO to focus on getting us Dan Haren and a top of the line middle relief help....once one of our starters go to the pen, along with whomever we get in a trade, then this team gets real nasty, real fast if Dan Haren is included in our rotation. Imagine what our rotation and pen will look like next year!!! I am so amped to be a Reds fan right now....have not felt this way since 1990

NorrisHopper30
06-24-2010, 01:41 PM
We couldn't even get Upton for Bruce and a prospect IMO, because they have him locked up to a very nice contract.

Vottomatic
06-24-2010, 02:38 PM
outside of getting a long term solution at SS....I think I will stick to just wanting the Reds FO to focus on getting us Dan Haren and a top of the line middle relief help....once one of our starters go to the pen, along with whomever we get in a trade, then this team gets real nasty, real fast if Dan Haren is included in our rotation. Imagine what our rotation and pen will look like next year!!! I am so amped to be a Reds fan right now....have not felt this way since 1990

Yeah, I will be happy when Harang's contract is up at the end of the season.

Not sure what I'd do with Arroyo. Love his rubber arm. Reminds me of Tom Browning. He's good most of the time, but gets shelled on occasion. I wouldn't mind re-signing him for that veteran presence and innings eater, if the price were right.

Cueto is getting better, aside from his occasional mental lapses. He had a rough patch for 2 or 3 games but seems to have righted the ship.

Leake is one of those things that never seems to happen to the Reds. Finally some good luck. The kid has a bright future.

Bailey..........what to do with Homer Bailey? When healthy, I wouldn't mind packaging him for other needs. I think Cueto has a better future than Bailey. Bailey has never seemed to put it together consistently enough for me. Seems like we could get the same ERA and result out of Travis Wood, LeCure, or Maloney, honestly. But Bailey has more hype surrounding him.

Volquez returning to form? Can't wait to see him pitch against major leaguers in a few weeks or a month, and see what he's got. So far, so good in the minors.

I'd love to trade for Haren. He's under contract a few more years for slightly more than Harang and Arroyo were paid. If we trade for him, Arroyo won't be re-signed though.

Masset and Cordero have been pitching better of late, aside from Cordero's meltdown the other night. If Bill Bray's promising rehab is for real, Herrera's days are numbered. Rhodes is money in the bank. Might as well re-sign him now. Ondrusek is looking good too. Hopefully he can continue it. Cordero, Rhodes, Masset, Bray, Ondrusek............I guess Owings as long relief. Who should be the final reliever? Wish we could trade for one more quality bullpen arm.

I'm pretty happy with our position players. I'm not so happy with the lineup. Cabrera's quality leadoff spurt has ended with his hurt ankle. We need a good table-setter, and I'd be all for trading for one. Chin-Soo Choo and his nearly .400 OBP and .290 average would be nice........but I realize our outfield is already logjammed.

Our needs?
#1 or #2 starter
Bullpen help
Quality leadoff hitter

MotownRed
06-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Why would Upton and McCutcheon be available? They are superstars of the present and future.

How about adding Brendan Donnelly, Octavio Dotel and Will Ohman to the list.

bshall2105
06-24-2010, 04:19 PM
Why would Upton and McCutcheon be available? They are superstars of the present and future.

How about adding Brendan Donnelly, Octavio Dotel and Will Ohman to the list.

Upton has a massive contract as well, so there is no way he's going to be traded. McCutcheon could be availible because it's the Pirates and they like to trade their most talented players.

Vottomatic
06-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Why would Upton and McCutcheon be available? They are superstars of the present and future.



Suppose you offered them Stubbs, Bailey, and some double A player for McCutcheon. Do you think they'd listen then?

You could argue we have plenty of starting pitching, so we give up Bailey.
Then we could argue we're looking for a leadoff hitter, and that Stubbs is going to be more of a defensive player and is developing his offensive game, but has good speed and some power.

Pirates would get 2 former #1 picks for their #1 pick, plus another decent minor league player.

We get our table setter.

Just a hypothetical.

swaisuc
06-24-2010, 05:03 PM
They still probably wouldn't listen. Would we trade Votto for a similar package?

I think your list needs to focus on older players that aren't considered core to these rebuilding teams. Guys like Carlos Lee, Berkman, Cliff Lee, Oswalt, maybe Haren.

The Voice of IH
06-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Our needs?
#1 or #2 starter
Bullpen help
Quality leadoff hitter

I think the Seattle Series Taught us that we NEED a number 1 starter if we hope to get to and contend in the playoffs. If and only IF we get that number 1 guy, then our bull pen problems all but go away with Volqueze and Bailey coming back... one of them will have to hit the pin, plus Lecure will be back there, and everyone else we can bring back to stick in there as well, (Chapman, Bray, Woods) along with Rhodes, Masset and CoCo that is one heck of a PIN.

The leadoff hitter situation I think can be fixed with putting Heisey there. He was terrific there earlier in the year if my memory serves me right.

bshall2105
06-24-2010, 05:43 PM
They still probably wouldn't listen. Would we trade Votto for a similar package?

I think your list needs to focus on older players that aren't considered core to these rebuilding teams. Guys like Carlos Lee, Berkman, Cliff Lee, Oswalt, maybe Haren.

We wouldn't do a similar package for Votto because we are in contention. The Pirates still aren't going to be winning any time soon, the Reds should be a good team for years to come. If Pittsburgh could get a few more good young guys to lay the foundation, I could see them dealing McCutcheon.

Griffey012
06-24-2010, 06:01 PM
We wouldn't do a similar package for Votto because we are in contention. The Pirates still aren't going to be winning any time soon, the Reds should be a good team for years to come. If Pittsburgh could get a few more good young guys to lay the foundation, I could see them dealing McCutcheon.

If we give them Votto, Bailey, and Stubbs/Heisey they may listen, but just listen. McCutchen isn't going anywhere except in a video game.

At some point Pittsburgh has to quit trading guys for prospects. McCutcheon is an absolute all around stud, you will get no better play to help lay a foundation.

bshall2105
06-24-2010, 10:32 PM
If we give them Votto, Bailey, and Stubbs/Heisey they may listen, but just listen. McCutchen isn't going anywhere except in a video game.

At some point Pittsburgh has to quit trading guys for prospects. McCutcheon is an absolute all around stud, you will get no better play to help lay a foundation.

If they got 2 or 3 good young players from us say Homer Bailey, Drew Stubbs, and Juan Francisco/Yonder Alonso. That may be worth more than just Andrew McCutcheon to a team a few years away from winning. I think they would at least consider that, they've shown in the past they will trade just about anybody.

Griffey012
06-24-2010, 10:49 PM
If they got 2 or 3 good young players from us say Homer Bailey, Drew Stubbs, and Juan Francisco/Yonder Alonso. That may be worth more than just Andrew McCutcheon to a team a few years away from winning. I think they would at least consider that, they've shown in the past they will trade just about anybody.

They have to get out of the cycle of playing for the future at some point though. Plus McCutcheon will still be there for plenty of years. Their fan base is dwindling as is, at some point the rebuilding needs to stop. I think their core of McCutcheon, Alvarez, Tabata is heading in the right direction.

That group of 3 may be better down the road, but right now you have a sure fire all-star type talent in McCutcheon who is under control for many years, you have to absolutely be blown away to trade a guy like that.

flash
06-24-2010, 11:53 PM
I say the best deal is to offer the Yankees Fransisco for Nunez. The Reds need a young SS and the Yankees could use Fransisco at DH

mmt1552
06-25-2010, 02:09 AM
Honestly, I don't think there's going to be any deals done. The only real spots I see them looking at for trades is bullpen help (obviously) or a bona fide ace like Cliff Lee. I don't think they'll want to give up any true prospects though, and no team will want to give up quality arms for the Reds offers. I believe this is because the Reds believe they will improve their MLB team with new arms coming from the minors in the second half (Rotation = Volquez, Bullpen = Chapman, Bray, or even another AAA starter moving to the 'pen like Maloney/Wood). So due to this the Reds won't feel desperate to offer a lot for other team's pitchers.

SidneySlicker
06-25-2010, 12:52 PM
The Reds have worked to build their farm system to the point it is now. Why trade away players to add to a major league roster that's young and playoff inexperienced. We need to keep our eye on the prize. This team isn't currently constructed to win it all this year. They can't afford to give away future talent at the first prospect of contending for the playoffs. I want to make the playoffs as much as the next guy, but you build a team and organization through the draft and trading for young talent, lets not get caught up and overpay for player to add to a team that's a year or two away.

Vottomatic
06-25-2010, 01:02 PM
The Reds have worked to build their farm system to the point it is now. Why trade away players to add to a major league roster that's young and playoff inexperienced. We need to keep our eye on the prize. This team isn't currently constructed to win it all this year. They can't afford to give away future talent at the first prospect of contending for the playoffs. I want to make the playoffs as much as the next guy, but you build a team and organization through the draft and trading for young talent, lets not get caught up and overpay for player to add to a team that's a year or two away.

Agree and disagree.

What if your organization has a logjam at certain positions, but nobody to fill a need at other positions? Shouldn't you make trades to fill your needs?

Such as shortstop. Are Valaika and/or Cozart really the future answer at SS?

What about leadoff hitter? Stubbs K's too much to be a leadoff factor. We're already seeing the struggles of OCab at leadoff.

We have an abundance of starting pitching. Why not wheel and deal to fill our needs and make our team stronger for the future? You don't have to trade for overpriced veterans. You can deal your young talented prospects for other teams young talented prospects. Those other teams may have a need that you can fill, and they may have a logjam at a position that you need to fill. It can be beneficial to both team if you can find a willing trade partner.

SidneySlicker
06-25-2010, 01:09 PM
Agree and disagree.

What if your organization has a logjam at certain positions, but nobody to fill a need at other positions? Shouldn't you make trades to fill your needs?

Such as shortstop. Are Valaika and/or Cozart really the future answer at SS?

What about leadoff hitter? Stubbs K's too much to be a leadoff factor. We're already seeing the struggles of OCab at leadoff.

We have an abundance of starting pitching. Why not wheel and deal to fill our needs and make our team stronger for the future? You don't have to trade for overpriced veterans. You can deal your young talented prospects for other teams young talented prospects. Those other teams may have a need that you can fill, and they may have a logjam at a position that you need to fill. It can be beneficial to both team if you can find a willing trade partner.

Point well taken I should say that I'd only want to to a trade that would involve a potential long term piece. If they are looking to bring in a young long term piece at a position of need than sure go for it. Let's not look for quick fixes at this point in the rebuilding.

Vottomatic
06-25-2010, 01:35 PM
Point well taken I should say that I'd only want to to a trade that would involve a potential long term piece. If they are looking to bring in a young long term piece at a position of need than sure go for it. Let's not look for quick fixes at this point in the rebuilding.

I agree about quick fixes. I don't want a high priced veteran who has seen his best years.

Only looking for pieces to add for this year and long term. :thumbup:

Griffey012
06-25-2010, 05:29 PM
The Reds have worked to build their farm system to the point it is now. Why trade away players to add to a major league roster that's young and playoff inexperienced. We need to keep our eye on the prize. This team isn't currently constructed to win it all this year. They can't afford to give away future talent at the first prospect of contending for the playoffs. I want to make the playoffs as much as the next guy, but you build a team and organization through the draft and trading for young talent, lets not get caught up and overpay for player to add to a team that's a year or two away.

This is why I like a trade for Cliff Lee. We give up 2 or 3 of our top 10 prospects. But we get likely 2 first round draft picks for him in the offseason. Right now our farm system is pretty top heavy (most of our top guys are in AAA), therefore we not only get a guy to help push us into and through the playoffs, but it gives us an opportunity to stockpile some more talent at the lower levels in next year's draft.

Mr Larkin
06-25-2010, 05:49 PM
I think the Seattle Series Taught us that we NEED a number 1 starter if we hope to get to and contend in the playoffs. If and only IF we get that number 1 guy, then our bull pen problems all but go away with Volqueze and Bailey coming back... one of them will have to hit the pin, plus Lecure will be back there, and everyone else we can bring back to stick in there as well, (Chapman, Bray, Woods) along with Rhodes, Masset and CoCo that is one heck of a PIN.

The leadoff hitter situation I think can be fixed with putting Heisey there. He was terrific there earlier in the year if my memory serves me right.

The Seattle series only proved we were cold offensively. We lost two games 1-0. That does not prove we need a #1 starter!

bshall2105
06-25-2010, 05:52 PM
The Seattle series only proved we were cold offensively. We lost two games 1-0. That does not prove we need a #1 starter!

I think it proved that we didn't need a #1. If we are losing games 1-0 starting pitching is not the problem.

Mr Larkin
06-25-2010, 05:53 PM
I think it proved that we didn't need a #1. If we are losing games 1-0 starting pitching is not the problem.

Righto!

Griffey012
06-25-2010, 06:13 PM
The Seattle series only proved we were cold offensively. We lost two games 1-0. That does not prove we need a #1 starter!

You do realize how bad Seattle is offensively, correct? We have a .782 team OPS including a pitcher, Seattle has a .655 OPS with a DH. They are in the bottom 3 in nearly every offensive category. Our pitching performance against them should be taken with a grain of salt.

We need a true #1 for when we face guys like Carpenter, Wainwright, Halladay, and Jiminez who are true #1's on teams that can handle the stick a bit too.

Vottomatic
06-25-2010, 06:45 PM
You do realize how bad Seattle is offensively, correct? We have a .782 team OPS including a pitcher, Seattle has a .655 OPS with a DH. They are in the bottom 3 in nearly every offensive category. Our pitching performance against them should be taken with a grain of salt.

We need a true #1 for when we face guys like Carpenter, Wainwright, Halladay, and Jiminez who are true #1's on teams that can handle the stick a bit too.

Bingo!

But it fooled some people into thinking we had great starting pitching when we only have good starting pitching and no #1 ace.