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OnBaseMachine
06-28-2010, 01:54 PM
Nice article by Michael Grant in the Louisville Courier-Journal:


"I think I'm ready to play in the big leagues," he said through Bats trainer/interpreter Tomas Vera. "I just have to wait for them to give me the opportunity. I'm a patient person."



"He's learning a lot," said Power, a former major leaguer. "If you go out there and try and throw 102 mph because you can, you're going to wear yourself down pretty fast. ... His command is getting much better. His understanding of pitching in certain situations is getting much better."



Edinson Volquez, the Cincinnati Reds ace who is rehabbing with the Bats, has been imparting some veteran wisdom.

"He needs to prepare more before the game," he said. "He's got great stuff. He's still young. He has to attack the zone and be aggressive, because he has a good fastball. He can do whatever he wants."

Chapman is paying attention.

"I'm a person that listens a lot," he said. "Whenever someone gives me good advice, I listen."


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100627/SPORTS07/6270360/1036/Bats++pitcher+Chapman+could+be+a+relief+for+the+Re ds

nemesis
06-28-2010, 02:40 PM
I like the fact that Volquez called him out on preparation. If ANY one pitcher knows, it's him. Lack of preparation cost Volquez at least a year or two in the Majors...

GOYA
06-28-2010, 02:42 PM
Personally, I think it's a mistake to put Chapman in the pen. His tendency to be wild at times is a bad thing to have show up if he's called upon to put out a fire. I know it's to fill an immediate need but I just don't think he's the right guy for the job. He may do very well 4 out of 5 innings but then blow up for 3-4 runs in the 5th one.

Bottom line is that he needs more time to develop in whatever role he is in.

mth123
06-28-2010, 02:50 PM
Personally, I think it's a mistake to put Chapman in the pen. His tendency to be wild at times is a bad thing to have show up if he's called upon to put out a fire. I know it's to fill an immediate need but I just don't think he's the right guy for the job. He may do very well 4 out of 5 innings but then blow up for 3-4 runs in the 5th one.

Bottom line is that he needs more time to develop in whatever role he is in.

Agree. I've been pounding on the health standpoint and that I think he needs 150 IP in 2010 to be ready for 2011, but additionally, by taking him out of the rotation now, he won't get much chance to improve his secondary stuff.

I'm not a fan of young highly regarded pitchers in winter ball unless they are making up lost time from an injury, but if the Reds call-up Chapman soon and he ends up with around a combined total of 100 IP or so, I hope he goes down and gets 6 or 7 starts in winter ball where he has to work his way through a line-up 3 times. I also hope its early in the winter ball season and he can be shut down around Christmas for a month or so.

medford
06-28-2010, 03:49 PM
perhaps the plan is to get him the Mike Leake treatment, allow him to get about 140ish innings this season (similar to Leake last year at ASU), then increase it to 170ish next year, then go from there?

How do you get him 140ish innings? Perhaps at some point they plan to cut Leake back to a 5 inning pitcher, and will allow Chapman to pick up 2-3 innings from there depending on the game conditions and where the Reds fall in the penant race. Pick up some additional innings in winter ball as stated, and gear up for next year.

The Reds biggest weakness this season as been the bullpen. Kudos for them for changing courses on their "current" plan in an attempt to win now. There are many theories of pitchers getting hurt when getting overworked. I've yet to read about someone getting hurt from being under-worked. If Chapman can help in the Bullpen this year, and they remain in a playoff chase, then work him into the bullpen this season and figure out next season, next season.

mth123
06-28-2010, 03:53 PM
perhaps the plan is to get him the Mike Leake treatment, allow him to get about 140ish innings this season (similar to Leake last year at ASU), then increase it to 170ish next year, then go from there?

How do you get him 140ish innings? Perhaps at some point they plan to cut Leake back to a 5 inning pitcher, and will allow Chapman to pick up 2-3 innings from there depending on the game conditions and where the Reds fall in the penant race. Pick up some additional innings in winter ball as stated, and gear up for next year.

The Reds biggest weakness this season as been the bullpen. Kudos for them for changing courses on their "current" plan in an attempt to win now. There are many theories of pitchers getting hurt when getting overworked. I've yet to read about someone getting hurt from being under-worked. If Chapman can help in the Bullpen this year, and they remain in a playoff chase, then work him into the bullpen this season and figure out next season, next season.


Underworked in 2010 means overworked in 2011. Innings need to be built from year to year when a kid is that young. If Chapman was 26 or 27 it would be different.

Cedric
06-28-2010, 04:01 PM
Perfect for the bullpen. The main reason Chapman is walking so many batters is because of how management has made him work on his secondary pitches.

He will be fine.

fearofpopvol1
06-28-2010, 04:16 PM
I am fine with having him help out the Reds in the pen, but why begin this process now? I'd like him to keep pitching on regular rest in the rotation through July and into August before beginning this process.

mth123
06-28-2010, 04:28 PM
I am fine with having him help out the Reds in the pen, but why begin this process now? I'd like him to keep pitching on regular rest in the rotation through July and into August before beginning this process.

Agreed. The Reds have a lot of other guys right now and IMO getting Chapman's innings in is more important.

medford
06-28-2010, 04:36 PM
Underworked in 2010 means overworked in 2011. Innings need to be built from year to year when a kid is that young. If Chapman was 26 or 27 it would be different.

No, overworked in 2011 only means overworked if he actually gets overworked in 2011. There is nothing that says they have to have Chapman throw 150+ innings next season. They can choose to treat him w/ kid gloves again next year, if it means he can help them win the division out of the Pen this season.

mth123
06-28-2010, 04:51 PM
No, overworked in 2011 only means overworked if he actually gets overworked in 2011. There is nothing that says they have to have Chapman throw 150+ innings next season. They can choose to treat him w/ kid gloves again next year, if it means he can help them win the division out of the Pen this season.

So say he throws 100 innings in 2010, then how many would he throw in 2011? 130? If so, that makes him a swing man who gets 12 starts or so and the rest of the year in the pen. More than that risks injury IMO. Meanwhile, a year of service is burnt. I'm hoping he can be a 180 IP guy who can hold down a rotation spot in 2011. The Reds need him to be that more than they need an extra month of him in the pen at the major league level this year. I'd rather the Reds let him start at AAA in 2010 until August or so to allow him to get his innings in. The Reds have a number of pitchers who will be pushing for time soon. Bray recently, Volquez soon. Bailey maybe. Lincoln maybe. Wood, Maloney etc. The Reds need a solid late inning guy and none of those guys look like that guy (including Chapman at this point) and I'd package a couple for one while keeping Chapman on schedule.

medford
06-28-2010, 05:15 PM
Well, I agree that I'd prefer Chapman be a 180 inning rotation worthy starter next year and for many to come. However, if he's the difference b/w winning the division or falling a few games short, and that means you have to treat him w/ kid gloves next year, getting him slowly up to 130-150 innings next season, so he can be extended to 180 the year after, then so be it. There is no garuntee that the Reds win anything in 2011. They have a chance at the playoffs this year, and I wouldn't be shy to use Chapmann in a role that can help you accomplish that goal and figure out next year when next year comes. If he's going to work out of the pen, he probably needs some time to get used to working multiple days in a row, 3 outof 4 days, short warm up periods, etc... He can still work on offspeed stuff and breaking balls out of the pen. Sure he won't get to face the same competition 2-3 times thru a lineup, but he can throw nothing but breaking stuff and changeups on monday for 2 innings, come back on wednesday and throwing nothing but heat and changeup for 2 innings, then come back again on saturday throwing nothing but fastballs and sliders. Obviously, that only works in the minors, but at some point, Leake is going to need his innings cut back, perhaps Chapman can work in tandem for 2 innings while Leake goes 5, then Chapman can pick up another 2-3 innings next 4 days. There's more than 1 way to get Chapman his innings.

He only burns an option year next year if they hold him back in AAA to develop more as a starter. They'd still control his rights for what, 6 majore league seasons. the first several will be expensive due to his initial contract, the last 2 will be dependent upon his arbitration worth (which hopefully won't be cheap, ie he'll be worth a large arb. price).

I have no idea how ready he is to help out of the pen, however I do know there has been a lot of stuff thrown at the wall this season out of the pen, and a lot of it hasn't worked. Rhodes has been used way more than I'd like, and Cordero has been used just as much. If Chapman, Massett, Rhodes and Cordero can form a nasty-boys esque back of the pullpen from August thru September, you can turn games into a 6 inning affair, much like the 90 reds. I'm tired of "waiting for next year" Next year may have finally arrived, I'd hate for them to sit around another year because the think "next year is really next year" only to find the wheels fall of of several players and we're looking at another 10 years before we have a winner.

RED VAN HOT
06-28-2010, 05:27 PM
The chronology of events may be telling. On June 15 Fay reported WJ's willingness to trade or sign a reliever. I'm guessing that WJ had made some inquiries before revealing that he was looking.

Around the same time, Jordan Smith is recalled in a move that surprised many.

Around 20 June, Boxberger relieves in Lynchburg. He pitches well and is advanced to Carolina as a reliever.

Around 23 June Fay reports that Chapman will move to the bullpen.

Around the same time Valiquette is advanced to Louisville, even though his performance at Carolina did not seem to merit it.

I speculate that 1) WJ believes the Reds have a good shot if they address the pen, 2) Inquiries revealed that obtaining a quality bullpen arm would cost far more in talent than the Reds were willing to sacrifice, and 3) that the best course of action was to fill the need from within the organization.

Toward that end he was getting some of the best arms in the organization ready to audition for the ML bullpen.

_Sir_Charles_
06-28-2010, 05:52 PM
Personally, I think it's a mistake to put Chapman in the pen. His tendency to be wild at times is a bad thing to have show up if he's called upon to put out a fire. I know it's to fill an immediate need but I just don't think he's the right guy for the job. He may do very well 4 out of 5 innings but then blow up for 3-4 runs in the 5th one.

Bottom line is that he needs more time to develop in whatever role he is in.

I couldn't agree more. His lack of control will be even MORE exaggerated in relief appearances. And the increased pressure isn't exactly a plus either.

Kingspoint
06-28-2010, 06:45 PM
There are many times situations where you have runners on 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs. To have a guy like Chapman available would be a real plus. He comes in and throws his 100+ mph fastballs and dares someone to catch up to them. If he walks the first batter, so be it. But, there's a good chance that he K's one of the first two batters. You can then take him out for the next pitcher once there's two outs.

camisadelgolf
06-28-2010, 07:01 PM
There are many times situations where you have runners on 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs. To have a guy like Chapman available would be a real plus. He comes in and throws his 100+ mph fastballs and dares someone to catch up to them. If he walks the first batter, so be it. But, there's a good chance that he K's one of the first two batters. You can then take him out for the next pitcher once there's two outs.
So . . . one of the advantages of having Chapman in the bullpen is that he could be pulled early?

Kingspoint
06-28-2010, 07:32 PM
So . . . one of the advantages of having Chapman in the bullpen is that he could be pulled early?

I'm not sure what that means.

I see him as a situational pitcher where he gets used when the team needs a strikeout (or popout). Most teams have a guy like that. We don't.

GOYA
06-28-2010, 07:44 PM
Arthur Rhodes?

Kingspoint
06-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Arthur Rhodes?

Not Rhodes, because Dusty saves him for the 8th inning (or the inning just prior to Cordero going in the game).

Rhodes isn't available in the situation I'm talking about, which comes in the 5th, 6th and 7th innings.

sabometrics
06-29-2010, 02:31 AM
I'm not sure what that means.

I see him as a situational pitcher where he gets used when the team needs a strikeout (or popout). Most teams have a guy like that. We don't.

If Chapman is used like that then I will be severely disappointed. He needs more work than just being tossed into high pressure 1 or 2 out scenarios. That just feels like a recipe for failure (in the short-term, and a set-back in the long term plan of him joining the rotation) for a guy who has only been playing professional ball in the States for less than six months. I envision him as a guy that can go 1 or 2 innings as a bridge between our starters and Rhodes/Cordero in the 8th and 9th. If he won't be used in that capacity then he needs to stay in AAA.

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2010, 02:09 AM
J.J. Cooper of Baseball America was in attendance for Chapman's relief appearance a couple nights ago. Here are some of his observations:


"This guy could change the pennant race," a scout said before quickly adding, "if he can throw strikes."

It was worth adding the caveat. The first pitch out of Chapman's hand was a 99 mph strike. He got to 1-2 on Dioner Navarro with an sharp 89 mph slider that would freeze just about any hitter, but then he humped up and overthrew a 103 mph fastball that hit Navarro. That ended up being a snapshot of what Chapman did on Tuesday–he showed lots of velocity and sometimes unhittable stuff, but he also was very prone to losing a pitch every now and then, with painful and sometimes scary results.



"There are a lot of moving parts," the scout said in explaining why Chapman's control seems to come and go. The scout added that he liked how the 6-foot-4, 185-pound Chapman's delivery from the stretch does a good job of hiding the ball–something that's not easy to do with the lanky body and long arms that help explain Chapman's unrivaled velocity.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=9221#more-9221

The first quote in the bottom paragraph is one of the biggest reasons I'm so excited about Chapman. Tweaking his mechanics in order to sharpen up his control is fixable. I'm not an expert on mechanics or anything but it seems like most young pitchers struggle with their mechanics early in their career. I have faith that Bryan Price and the Reds will correct that issue.

RedsFanInBama
07-02-2010, 02:42 AM
Perfect for the bullpen. The main reason Chapman is walking so many batters is because of how management has made him work on his secondary pitches.

Yeah. How dare they try and teach the guy to pitch!

RedsFanInBama
07-02-2010, 02:44 AM
The guy should be in the major leagues as a starter or not at all at this point. This move irritates me to no end. We're basically saying, "The hell with his development as a starter. Bring him up, let him throw one pitch, and we'll worry about the other stuff later." So stupid.

membengal
07-02-2010, 09:19 AM
That's not what they are saying at all. And there is a long and proud history of starters working into the major leagues out of the bullpen. You have to know that.

Good to great starters of recent vintage who put in bullpen time include Johan Santana, Phil Hughes.

In the Reds own past? Check out Mario Soto's development before he became one of the best starters in baseball. Jose Rijo too.

I guess I don't understand the teeth gnashing over letting Chapman work into major league baseball in the pen.

Cedric
07-02-2010, 09:22 AM
Yeah. How dare they try and teach the guy to pitch!

Actually I think it's pretty smart considering the Minor leagues are about developing talent and not winning per se.

Don't assume things.

RedsFanInBama
07-02-2010, 11:07 AM
That's not what they are saying at all. And there is a long and proud history of starters working into the major leagues out of the bullpen. You have to know that.

Good to great starters of recent vintage who put in bullpen time include Johan Santana, Phil Hughes.

In the Reds own past? Check out Mario Soto's development before he became one of the best starters in baseball. Jose Rijo too.

I guess I don't understand the teeth gnashing over letting Chapman work into major league baseball in the pen.
"Putting in bullpen time" is way different than being groomed to start - from the bullpen. That's basically what we're going to try to do it sounds like.

I don't see how anyone can think this is going to do anything but hurt Chapman's development as a starter. And for what? Do we really think that Dusty's going to give him the ball in a one-run game and say, "Alright, work on your stuff." No, they're going to use him to blow people away for an inning or two. The change up will go away. The slider will be used very sparingly.

Like I said, I hope it works on all fronts. I just would have preferred to leave Chapman in Louisville for the entire year if need be and have him ready to start in 2011. I'm not sure he's going to be effective enough as a reliever for us to make this move worth it.

membengal
07-02-2010, 12:53 PM
That's how the above pitchers I listed were "groomed to start".

In the pen.

You may not get that, but this is not a new thing.

RedsFanInBama
07-02-2010, 02:26 PM
That's how the above pitchers I listed were "groomed to start".

Hughes started nearly 30 games in the major leagues before the Yankees sent him to the bullpen. Not to mention he was used through the minors exclusively as a starter.

I'll concede those other guys, but lets also realize that Soto and Rijo had made way more starts at the AA and AAA level before they went to the majors than Chapman will have. I would argue they were actually groomed to start through that process. And Santana, after pitching with Minnesota for two years out of the pen, was sent back to the minors at the beginning of 2002 to work as a starter. I guess he needed more grooming to make the transition.

Chapman's not ready.

membengal
07-03-2010, 06:47 AM
Rays: David Price. 2008.

dougdirt
07-03-2010, 11:16 AM
Rays: David Price. 2008.

Price didn't quite have the pure stuff Chapman does, but his control was much better (though iffy at the time).

RedsFanInBama
07-03-2010, 01:19 PM
I hope it works out as well as Price did. Chapman is obviously every bit as polished as he was as a 22-year-old, so we can hope.

dougdirt
07-03-2010, 01:22 PM
I hope it works out as well as Price did. Chapman is obviously every bit as polished as he was as a 22-year-old, so we can hope.

No he isn't. David Price knew where he was throwing his offspeed pitches and his fastball, while he couldn't command it, he was able to throw it for strikes more often than not. Chapman doesn't know where his pitches are going. They are just REALLY good.

RedsFanInBama
07-03-2010, 02:28 PM
No he isn't. David Price knew where he was throwing his offspeed pitches and his fastball, while he couldn't command it, he was able to throw it for strikes more often than not. Chapman doesn't know where his pitches are going. They are just REALLY good.

I know. I'm just saying what most of the board wants to hear. I'm against the Chapman to bullpen move at this point as much as anyone on this board, I promise you.

I should have added a /sarcasm to the end of my post.

OnBaseMachine
07-16-2010, 07:42 PM
Ban Badler on Chapman:


Ben Badler: He's never going to have precise command but with his stuff he's not going to need it. I think he figures it out, but I don't think sending him to the bullpen so he can air it out for four or five batters a game in Triple-A does much to teach him command. That's the last thing I'd want him doing right now.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2010/2610375.html

I think he's got a good point. At first, I didn't mind the decision to temporarily move him to the bullpen but now I'd rather they put him back in the rotation and let him work on his command.

camisadelgolf
07-16-2010, 07:53 PM
There's no doubt that Chapman needs to work on his command, and giving him innings is the best way of doing that. But what good are the innings if they result in an injury that takes him away from baseball for 9-15 months? Chapman has had a whirlwind year, and he needs to build up arm strength for his future. It's easy to forget, but he's only 22 years old, and most of his peers are still in A-ball. Let him finish the year in the bullpen, and wait until 2012 or 2013 for him to get anywhere near 200 innings in a season.

OnBaseMachine
07-17-2010, 02:08 AM
I posted this in another thread but it probably fits better in here:

From the Louisville Courier-Journal:


Aroldis Chapman (6-6) got the victory -- his first in relief -- striking out all four batters he faced. The left-hander threw 14 pitches, 12 for strikes, and hit 102mph.

"His role has changed," Sweet said of the hot prospect. "The handcuffs have been taken off my hands. Before I was restricted on what I could and could not do with him. ... I will use him now in any situation I dictate that will make us a better baseball team. He's happy with that."


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100716/SPORTS07/7160385/Bats+rally+to+defeat+Lehigh+Valley++7-3

OnBaseMachine
08-01-2010, 09:09 PM
From John Erardi:


SPEAKING OF THE PEN: Cuban fireballer Aroldis Chapman is close to being ready to be called to the big leagues, said Reds general manager Walt Jocketty.

The Reds have received “very good” reports on him, he said.

“The reports are he’s adapting and feeling more comfortable down there (coming out of the bullpen),” Jocketty said.

It’s just a matter of some refinement for Chapman now – getting 100 percent command and consistency.

The biggest thing for Chapman coming into these pennant-race games is being able to throw strikes.

“His stuff is so good, if he can throw strikes (he’ll get hitters out),” Jocketty said.

“We’ll see how he is in the next couple of weeks.”


http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100801/SPT04/308010055/1071/Middle-men-make-the-difference

aubashbrother
08-01-2010, 09:17 PM
id give it another week. 2 at the max. The way hes pitching now he could really help us out. Brays been ok but I think Chapman would be an upgrade. Bray really tested my nerves today walking both lefthanded batters he faced.

Kingspoint
08-01-2010, 09:24 PM
What's the rule regarding players who can be put on a playoff roster? It's been so long, I can't remember.

Do they have to be on the roster before Sep. 1st at some point, or is there no requirement at all?

It seems like there's something.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 09:25 PM
If walks test your nerves, make sure to have some Valium on hand whenever Chapman is called from the Reds' bullpen.

Kingspoint
08-01-2010, 09:26 PM
When it comes to Chapman, having him on the Major League roster isn't about him being an "upgrade", as he's not an upgrade to anyone right now. But, he'd be "different", and that's what you're looking for with the bullpen. To have a player that's "different" in the way of Chapman is an option that Dusty could use. I think that's why Owings was used so infrequently by Baker. I think Baker believed that Owings offered nothing "different" than anyone else in the bullpen. Different situations call for a different type of Reliever. Chapman is something this team doesn't have.

Kingspoint
08-01-2010, 09:27 PM
If walks test your nerves, make sure to have some Valium on hand whenever Chapman is called from the Reds' bullpen.
If Volquez, Chapman and Cordero all got in the same game, a record for opposing Walks could be broken.

RedsFanInBama
08-01-2010, 09:36 PM
I think you might be right.

I was staunchly opposed to him moving to the bullpen, but I am looking forward to seeing him pitch. I hope it helps us down the stretch.

I do think we've set him back at least a half season, if not more, in terms of being ready to start.

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:46 PM
He's been throwing a ton of strikes lately. He's been dominating. He'll be up soon.

reds44
08-01-2010, 09:46 PM
When it comes to Chapman, having him on the Major League roster isn't about him being an "upgrade", as he's not an upgrade to anyone right now. But, he'd be "different", and that's what you're looking for with the bullpen. To have a player that's "different" in the way of Chapman is an option that Dusty could use. I think that's why Owings was used so infrequently by Baker. I think Baker believed that Owings offered nothing "different" than anyone else in the bullpen. Different situations call for a different type of Reliever. Chapman is something this team doesn't have.
He'd be an upgrade from Bray.

Kingspoint
08-02-2010, 04:26 AM
He'd be an upgrade from Bray.

Bray has a nasty slider that Left-handers have a difficult time hitting. That's very useful, as Rhodes can't be used too often. I would want that tool in my bag if I was Dusty.

reds44
08-02-2010, 05:14 AM
Bray has a nasty slider that Left-handers have a difficult time hitting. That's very useful, as Rhodes can't be used too often. I would want that tool in my bag if I was Dusty.
And Chapman throws 103.

Bray's just not a good enough/productive enough pitcher to block Chapman.

GIDP
08-02-2010, 08:50 AM
What's the rule regarding players who can be put on a playoff roster? It's been so long, I can't remember.

Do they have to be on the roster before Sep. 1st at some point, or is there no requirement at all?

It seems like there's something.

August 31st

GIDP
08-02-2010, 08:51 AM
Everyone is an upgrade over Cordero right now. I think the only reason he doesnt blow more games is because the pressure thats put on the opposing team knowing that htye only have 1-3 more outs.

medford
08-02-2010, 10:34 AM
I assume the plan is to still have Chapman become a starter long term. He's thrown around 84 innings, and even if you optimistically say he can get you another 36 this year out of the pen, plus another 30 in the AFL, he'd be sitting on around 150 innings thrown this year. Further more, if you subscribe to the 30 innings increase limit for a young pitcher, that limits him to 180ish innings next year, which means next year he may be a prime canidate to start out in AAA for a month or so to limit his innings, or be moved to the bullpen late in the season befor assuming full starting duty in 2 years.

The key to this would be the ability to send him to the AFL to get innings in. I doubt he's got another 36 innings in him this season if he's going to be purely a reliever the rest of this year, but certainly he's got 26 innings b/w AAA and the ML (and hopefully playoffs) which would get him to the 170ish mark for next season, which as a 5th and potential late season conversion to a reliever for a hopeful playoff run wouldn't be too bad. Can a guy that has spent time in the majors play in the AFL? W/o getting innings there or winter ball somewhere, I'm not sure Chapman can get enough innings in to give him a realistic enough number of innings next year to consider starting him w/ the big league club next year.

Danny Serafini
08-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Can a guy that has spent time in the majors play in the AFL?

I believe as long as you're under a full season of service time you're eligible.

Kingspoint
08-02-2010, 06:05 PM
August 31st

Thanks.

Kingspoint
08-02-2010, 06:07 PM
I assume the plan is to still have Chapman become a starter long term. He's thrown around 84 innings, and even if you optimistically say he can get you another 36 this year out of the pen, plus another 30 in the AFL, he'd be sitting on around 150 innings thrown this year. Further more, if you subscribe to the 30 innings increase limit for a young pitcher, that limits him to 180ish innings next year, which means next year he may be a prime canidate to start out in AAA for a month or so to limit his innings, or be moved to the bullpen late in the season befor assuming full starting duty in 2 years.

The key to this would be the ability to send him to the AFL to get innings in. I doubt he's got another 36 innings in him this season if he's going to be purely a reliever the rest of this year, but certainly he's got 26 innings b/w AAA and the ML (and hopefully playoffs) which would get him to the 170ish mark for next season, which as a 5th and potential late season conversion to a reliever for a hopeful playoff run wouldn't be too bad. Can a guy that has spent time in the majors play in the AFL? W/o getting innings there or winter ball somewhere, I'm not sure Chapman can get enough innings in to give him a realistic enough number of innings next year to consider starting him w/ the big league club next year.

Good post, and I agree.

Kingspoint
08-02-2010, 06:07 PM
And Chapman throws 103.



I want both tools in the "Relief" bag.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2010, 01:43 AM
Buster Olney had a series of tweets tonight regarding Chapman:

Aroldis Chapman's last 10 outings: 0 runs, 6 hits, 4 walks and 16 punchouts in 11.1 innings. I spoke with Class AAA coach Ted (more)

Power and he says a mechanical adjustment has helped Chapman. It's evident Chapman might be closer to the big leagues. (more)

Spoke with Reds GM Walt Jocketty tonight, and he said he hasn't discussed possible promotion for the lefty with Dusty Baker in (more)

awhile, but he thinks they could have a conversation later in the week -- and they envision Chapman helping them in the late innings. (more)

He was clocked as high as 103 mph twice on Tuesday night.

http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

kaldaniels
08-05-2010, 01:47 AM
A quick question. Do the Reds "control" Chapman for 6 yrs of MLB service time, or due to his unique contract, he will be a free agent after 6 years regardless of service time?

ThornWithin81
08-05-2010, 01:53 AM
I really, really hope Chapman is ready. He has a good head on his shoulders so I don't think he's prone to being "spoiled" by a bad debut year, but it still makes me nervous throwing him into the late stages of our best season in over a decade.

I can't wait to see "103" pop up on the scoreboard that first time. :beerme:

camisadelgolf
08-05-2010, 02:40 AM
A quick question. Do the Reds "control" Chapman for 6 yrs of MLB service time, or due to his unique contract, he will be a free agent after 6 years regardless of service time?
Barring a release/trade, the earliest he will be a free agent is following the 2016 season. Barring an extension, the latest he can become a free agent is following the 2019 season.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2010, 02:17 PM
Sweet credits pitching coach Ted Power as well as Chapman for the improvement.

“Chappie has done a great job of learning, making adjustments and listening,” Sweet said. “Now it's paying off for him, for us and the Cincinnati Reds.”


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100804/SPORTS07/308040105/1002/sports/Hot+Summer+for+the+Bats++Louisville+making+push+to +playoffs

GIDP
08-05-2010, 02:47 PM
All I know is that I'm glad they are singing his praises now, but I hope that its not because they just want to make a good story.

He's been good lately, hopefully it continues, but I hope this isnt doing the kid a disservice.

Also its all true then HOLY SMOKES what a good starter hes going to be. If hes just now putting it together seriously imagine what this could really mean.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2010, 11:28 PM
From Mark Sheldon:


At any point now, the phone could ring and summon Chapman to Cincinnati. In his last 10 appearances for Triple-A Louisville, the 22-year-old is 3-0 and has pitched 11 1/3 innings with one unearned run and six hits allowed. He has walked four and struck out 16 while opposing batters are hitting .150.

"We'd certainly feel comfortable bringing him up," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "He's doing well pitching in relief and seems to like it."


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100805&content_id=13068790&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

aubashbrother
08-06-2010, 01:49 AM
I liked this line from that


"From our standpoint, everything is in position when they feel they want him," Reynolds said. "We think he's close and one of the guys we'd recommend."