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GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:45 PM
Come on Arthur keep dominating.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 10:45 PM
Where is Maker84?

Kingspoint
06-29-2010, 10:46 PM
Come on Arthur keep dominating.

Here's a game where it paid to have guys who can shut the other team down for a few innings...Bray, then Jordan Smith, and hopefully Rhodes.

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 10:46 PM
right here

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 10:46 PM
arthur is finally in a game now that were not down 4 or up 4

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 10:47 PM
right here

Where is your negativity? We all missed it during that comeback.

texasdave
06-29-2010, 10:47 PM
LOL. This team is incredible. Down three runs with two outs and nobody on in the ninth and they tie things up. :beerme:

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:47 PM
Alright come on arthur.

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 10:47 PM
Where is your negativity? We all missed it during that comeback.

i wasn't being negative just realistic and i've been right 90% of the time this season

Seņor Rojo
06-29-2010, 10:49 PM
Terrible call.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:49 PM
Not liking how this inning is looking right now.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 10:49 PM
i wasn't being negative just realistic and i've been right 90% of the time this season

i do not think so, neither does about 90% of the board.

texasdave
06-29-2010, 10:50 PM
Baseball isn't about being realistic. Baseball is about spring time and hope and fun and summer and improbable comebacks and eternal youth and autumn and pennant races and high fives and... Ok. I went overboard a bit. =)

nouseforaname
06-29-2010, 10:51 PM
Haha and there goes Charlie. I was at the Phillies/Indians game last Thrusday and as soon as Charlie came out of the dugout I told my cousin "There's no way he leaves until he gets tossed."

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Manuel is trying to throw off Rhodes right now.

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 10:52 PM
i do not think so, neither does about 90% of the board.

i dont care what u think, i'm a reds fan who has been tortured for over 10 years

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Manuel did his job.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
Stubbs is so overrated defensively.

BurgervilleBuck
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
i dont care what u think, i'm a reds fan who has been tortured for over 10 years
And the rest of us are, what, bandwagon fans?

Seņor Rojo
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
Stubbs is so overrated defensively.

He did a hell of a job to run that ball down. Another run may have scored if it didn't look like he was going to haul it in.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
Stubbs is so overrated defensively.

Yea he should dive and turn routine plays into spectacular ones more often.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
Should have been caught. Ridiculous.

nouseforaname
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
Welll that was fun while it lasted

FlyerFanatic
06-29-2010, 10:54 PM
only a matter of time before rhodes was going to be touched up

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 10:54 PM
this sucks

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 10:54 PM
Stubbs, seriously make a friggin play that isn't routine. You run around and dance in circles last night like a moron, then get scared of running into the wall tonight. Where did Heisey go in CF?

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:54 PM
Glad we didnt pinch hit for leake with Rolen when we had a chance to score a run earlier in the game.

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 10:54 PM
What are the odds we get out of this and Rolen comes up as the game tying run?

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Yea he should dive and turn routine plays into spectacular ones more often.

He missed one at the wall the other night that he was right there to catch. And then there was the one he lost in the sun.

I have thought this for a very long time. Not just tonight.

I think he's very overrated defensively. He may get to the balls, but he fails to catch many he should catch.

RedsFanInBama
06-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Arthur sucks tonight. Too bad his great string of pitching had to end on the heels of that comeback.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Glad we didnt pinch hit for leake with Rolen when we had a chance to score a run earlier in the game.

still on that huh? be glad we were even close with CB behind the plate calling balls all night for reds pitching.

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 10:56 PM
still on that huh? be glad we were even close with CB behind the plate calling balls all night for reds pitching.

You aren't acting as if it's over are you?

GIDP
06-29-2010, 10:56 PM
He missed one at the wall the other night that he was right there to catch. And then there was the one he lost in the sun.

I have thought this for a very long time. Not just tonight.

I think he's very overrated defensively. He may get to the balls, but he fails to catch many he should catch.

Yea he should be more like other CFers and not even get to them.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:56 PM
Stubbs, seriously make a friggin play that isn't routine. You run around and dance in circles last night like a moron, then get scared of running into the wall tonight. Where did Heisey go in CF?

Agreed.

Throw him in the trade for Cliff Lee. I'm ready for Heisey in CF.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 10:56 PM
well, this team does not quit , too little too late. it was fun though!

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Yea he should be more like other CFers and not even get to them.

Why get to them if you're going to make it worse? That was embarrassing frankly.

BurgervilleBuck
06-29-2010, 10:57 PM
You aren't acting as if it's over are you?

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Redeye fly
06-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Crap... all that work and we're still looking at losing 2 out of 3, unless Harang pitches out of his mind tomorrow.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Goodbye first place.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:58 PM
Wish Chapman had been up. Perfect place for him to pitch was right there.

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 10:58 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No!

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:58 PM
Need a strikeout pitcher.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 10:59 PM
We suck tonight. Back to my movie "Beer League". :(

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 10:59 PM
This is gettin ugly, nice try by Votto there though.

RedsFanInBama
06-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Well, we get to play tomorrow at least.

Seņor Rojo
06-29-2010, 11:00 PM
The comeback is still encouraging. Reds teams of the past would have laid down.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Good job by the leading offense tonight late. Bad job tonight, by one of the worse bullpens in the league. When Rhodes gets bad luck behind him, you know it is not gonna happen.

BurgervilleBuck
06-29-2010, 11:01 PM
Well, we get to play tomorrow at least.
Yup. The trick is not to get intimidated by Halliday.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:01 PM
Yup. The trick is not to get intimidated by Halliday.

Treat him like he is some other slob on the mound.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:01 PM
Chapman pitched 1.2 innings tonight for Louisville. Plunked 2 batters and threw 2 wild pitches.

I guess he's not ready either. :eek:

redsrolen
06-29-2010, 11:02 PM
There is no excuse for that cabrera, second one tonight! You may be good for morale, just stay on the bench with your f-ing pom-poms!!!!!!

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:02 PM
Chapman pitched 1.2 innings tonight for Louisville. Plunked 2 batters and threw 2 wild pitches.

I guess he's not ready either. :eek:

How many ER?

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
There is no excuse for that cabrera, second one tonight! You may be good for morale, just stay on the bench with your f-ing pom-poms!!!!!!

Easy now...that was a worse throw by Ramon. The guy was a sitting duck out there and he rushed it and tossed it in the dirt.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
Yup. The trick is not to get intimidated by Halliday.

I bet he doesnt throw over 10 pitches in a single inning.

RedsFanInBama
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
Chapman seems like he's a pretty long ways off based on his inability to keep the ball in the strike zone.

RedsFanInBama
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
I bet he doesnt throw over 10 pitches in a single inning.
What do you want to bet?

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
Buckner sucks so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! We should have this in the bag. Think about the 6 runs they got and how that was correlated with the walks that were not.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
Chapman - 1.2 IP, 3 hits, 2 walks, 3 wild pitches, 3 earned runs, 3 K's.

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
Chapman seems like he's a pretty long ways off based on his inability to keep the ball in the strike zone.

so in other words were screwed and no help on the way

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
Chapman - 1.2 IP, 3 hits, 2 walks, 3 wild pitches, 3 earned runs, 3 K's.

Yikes, I knew the bullpen was not going to be his thing.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
I love the new Geico commercial with Randy Johnson. Funny stuff.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
What do you want to bet?

Wooden Nickles

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
so in other words were screwed and no help on the way

Bray is already here, he will help if healthy. What's bad is his health is more dependable than Chapman's control, and Bray hasn't had a good track record of health.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Well, just like Cabrera was hitless until the 9th when he singled, so is Bruce hitless tonight.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Hey its not like we cant get 3 runs in an inning.

redsrolen
06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Sorry for my potty mouth, I just wanted to write in a big cuss word!!! It felt really good!!!!!!!!!!

Kingspoint
06-29-2010, 11:06 PM
Hey its not like we cant get 3 runs in an inning.

The Phillies have done that 3 times tonight.

Maker_84
06-29-2010, 11:07 PM
so how long is it really gonna take chapman to be rdy??? we paid this guy alot of money

RedsFanInBama
06-29-2010, 11:07 PM
so how long is it really gonna take chapman to be rdy??? we paid this guy alot of money
Maybe if we stopped screwing with him and defined his role it would be quicker.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:08 PM
Cozart 3-3 tonight with a HR.

Francisco 2-3 with a double.

GM Jr. 1-5 with a double and 2 K's.

Volquez 6 IP, 3 hits, 2 ER, 1 HR, 7 K's, 2 walks.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:08 PM
so how long is it really gonna take chapman to be rdy??? we paid this guy alot of money

Not yet we haven't, it grows over time though. I say he should stay down until roster expansions. He is not ready. BTW, he is 22.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:08 PM
GM Jr. also has a SB.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:09 PM
GM Jr. also has a SB.

Uh-oh, bye bye Laynce.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:09 PM
Jay Bruce raking it tonight. :rolleyes:

Kingspoint
06-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Some guy named Span (sp?) hit 3 Triples tonight.

arkimadee
06-29-2010, 11:11 PM
this loss would have been so much f'ing easier if we hadn't came back

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:12 PM
Really glad we saved Rolen for that imaginary pinch hit chance we never got.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:12 PM
this loss would have been so much f'ing easier if we hadn't came back

I don't know. It shows they have fight and never quit.

arkimadee
06-29-2010, 11:12 PM
I don't know. It shows they have fight and never quit.
i agree.. but still i wanted that one bad after the tie

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 11:13 PM
Some guy named Span (sp?) hit 3 Triples tonight.

He's a pretty good young player. I wish we had him in CF, perfect leadoff type guy. Walks quite a bit.

cbowen2112
06-29-2010, 11:13 PM
i agree.. but still i wanted that one bad after the tie

the comeback kids can't comeback every time, although it seems they do.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:13 PM
Jordan Hotchkiss goes to 5-1 for Lynchburg with the win. 6 IP 1 ER, 7 K's and lowered his ERA to 1.76.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:17 PM
I know people are goin to flip out about Stubbs, but think about this. Do many CFers get to that ball?, Did he throw an 0-2 pitch right down the middle? Did he walk batters? Did he have all 3 balls hit to him that inning?

Plenty of blame to go around, I wouldnt blame it on the guy who turned a double into an almost caught ball. He could have done better but he still did better than a lot of players even would have.

Griffey012
06-29-2010, 11:20 PM
I know people are goin to flip out about Stubbs, but think about this. Do many CFers get to that ball?, Did he throw an 0-2 pitch right down the middle? Did he walk batters? Did he have all 3 balls hit to him that inning?

Plenty of blame to go around, I wouldnt blame it on the guy who turned a double into an almost caught ball. He could have done better but he still did better than a lot of players even would have.

I don't think anyone is trying to make him a scapegoat for losing, but we gotta make those kind of plays if we are going to be a playoff team, regardless of which player it is.

And he needs to be playing an unbelievable CF to show his worth because he isnt bringing it with the bat. But he is not.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:21 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to make him a scapegoat for losing, but we gotta make those kind of plays if we are going to be a playoff team, regardless of which player it is.
If he wants to become the best CFer in baseball he should make those plays. Still hes not what people are going to be calling him. People are flipping out in the other game thread saying hes the worst they have ever seen. Its silly.

Reds42MLB
06-29-2010, 11:23 PM
Everyone glorifying the bad and pushing the good under the rug. Battled back in the 9th under impossible cirumstances, but the doom and gloom continues around here. Arthur was due to get hit sooner or later. No RP goes untouched the whole season.

abish1572
06-29-2010, 11:24 PM
Everyone glorifying the bad and pushing the good under the rug. Battled back in the 9th under impossible cirumstances, but the doom and gloom continues around here. Arthur was due to get hit sooner or later. No RP goes untouched the whole season.

i agree!

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:25 PM
If he wants to become the best CFer in baseball he should make those plays. Still hes not what people are going to be calling him. People are flipping out in the other game thread saying hes the worst they have ever seen. Its silly.

He's not the worst by far.

But he's not as good as all the hype about his defense either.

He was rated by some as the best defensive CF prospect in all of the minor leagues. He sure isn't playing like that.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:26 PM
He's not the worst by far.

But he's not as good as all the hype about his defense either.

He was rated by some as the best defensive CF prospect in all of the minor leagues. He sure isn't playing like that.

the problem is similar to people saying Janish sucks at short compared to Cab. For every ball Janish misplays he is getting to balls Cab doesnt come close to. Stubbs gets to so many balls, even a misplay on a ball someone doesnt get to anyways probably doesnt change the fact that hes very good.

Vottomatic
06-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Dude you're in the minority on this one. The ORG game thread is ripping him to shreds.

Some of us can be wrong some of the time, but all of us can't be wrong all of the time.

There's definitely some truth to Stubbs being overrated defensively. He may have speed to get there, but if you can't make the play, you're still not getting it done.

By the way, I think Janish is miles better than Cabrera. He not only gets to the ball, but he gloves it and makes the play.

GIDP
06-29-2010, 11:32 PM
Dude you're in the minority on this one. The ORG game thread is ripping him to shreds.

Some of us can be wrong some of the time, but all of us can't be wrong all of the time.

There's definitely some truth to Stubbs being overrated defensively. He may have speed to get there, but if you can't make the play, you're still not getting it done.

By the way, I think Janish is miles better than Cabrera. He not only gets to the ball, but he gloves it and makes the play.

He hasn't had a great year. Im not disagreeing with that. He is still better than a large majority of the league with the Glove. And hes better than everyone we have had out there since Mike Cameron.

RedsFanInBama
06-30-2010, 01:26 AM
Dude you're in the minority on this one. The ORG game thread is ripping him to shreds.

What does that mean other than a bunch of crotchety old Reds fans with an inflated sense of their own baseball knowledge are down on him?

sabometrics
06-30-2010, 02:21 AM
John Kruk just called the Ibanez double in the 10th, "a ball that Stubbs should have come up with, without question," effectively laying the blame on him for the loss. I saw that, came to this thread and surely enough that's the topic of debate. It would have been an incredible play, I don't see why people are tearing into Stubbs because of this play specifically.

I will agree that he hasn't been great this year, and you can argue he hasn't even been good, but I cannot understand why people want to hang this loss on him.

RedsFanInBama
06-30-2010, 02:29 AM
Stubbs gets on Web Gems if he makes that catch. Regardless, the loss isn't on his shoulders. Rhodes got lit up tonight and that was an 0-2 pitch. Very poor outing by Arthur tonight (of course he was long overdue for one).

Reds42MLB
06-30-2010, 03:39 AM
Should have Stubbs have caught that ball, YES. Do I blame him for pulling up slightly at the wall, NO. I used to play CF and I've ran full speed into the fence trying to catch a ball. It ended up barely clearing the fence for a HR (I nailed the wall right as I put my glove up and it went right over top of my glove ~ according to spectators), but at the time I didn't care or even think about the fence. Is that the right attitude in that situation? Should I be commended for going all out? Needless to say I was lucky to not be injured, and walk away from it.

I understand he is getting paid a lot of $$$ to make catches like that and put his body on the line, but when you are running full speed at an object that isn't going to give way if you hit it and you see it out of the corner of your eye... the human mind is going to act accordingly more often than not. In my situation I never saw the fence.

I wish he would have caught it, but I don't blame Stubbs in the least bit for pulling up in the slightest right before he hit the wall. It happens to the best of them. It still wasn't the easiest catch. He was trying to stop while he caught it.

Vottomatic
06-30-2010, 09:33 AM
Should have Stubbs have caught that ball, YES. Do I blame him for pulling up slightly at the wall, NO. I used to play CF and I've ran full speed into the fence trying to catch a ball. It ended up barely clearing the fence for a HR (I nailed the wall right as I put my glove up and it went right over top of my glove ~ according to spectators), but at the time I didn't care or even think about the fence. Is that the right attitude in that situation? Should I be commended for going all out? Needless to say I was lucky to not be injured, and walk away from it.

I understand he is getting paid a lot of $$$ to make catches like that and put his body on the line, but when you are running full speed at an object that isn't going to give way if you hit it and you see it out of the corner of your eye... the human mind is going to act accordingly more often than not. In my situation I never saw the fence.

I wish he would have caught it, but I don't blame Stubbs in the least bit for pulling up in the slightest right before he hit the wall. It happens to the best of them. It still wasn't the easiest catch. He was trying to stop while he caught it.

There's alot of blame to go round.

1. Ump squeezed Leake's strike zone all night. Didn't squeeze Blanton's. Leake got lit up.
2. I thought Nix should have caught that ball off the wall in the late innings that Howard hit. Would have taken a great play, but he was there and just threw his glove at it in a weak attempt.
3. Rhodes got lit up. Can't blame Arthur. He has had a great run and was due.
4. I thought Stubbs should have caught Ibanez' double.
5. Batting Leake instead of Rolen when we're rallying was a Dusty mistake. Just stupid.

Plenty of blame to go round.

Leake got squeezed. Rhodes was due for a bad outing. Stubbs isn't the defensive outfielder he's made out to be. And Dusty pulled a Dusty during an offensive rally.

GIDP
06-30-2010, 09:41 AM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9501377&topic_id=8877984&c_id=cin

There is the play Stubbs supposedly should have made. He barely got there. He probably should have caught it, but I really really really doubt many people even make it that close. He probably would have looked better if he didnt get there and dove and completely missed it.