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cincyforever
07-01-2010, 10:22 AM
New guy here so I will fill you guys in as to why I am clueless when it comes to MLB transactions. I am a huuuge hockey guy; I could tell you all of the technicals in UFA signings and trades when it comes to the NHL. I know pretty much nothing about that kind of stuff when it coms to MLB.

So, my question is, why do I never see the Reds go after big names? Is there some sort of internal budget that the team goes by, like the Blue Jackets do? I'm asking this question because this Reds team, adding a starter and a reliever who can get outs, COULD make a playoff run. Would Cincinnati inquire about a Cliff Lee?

BurgervilleBuck
07-01-2010, 10:29 AM
There's no salary cap in the MLB, unlike the NHL. The Reds have gone after big names in the past (Rolen, Griffey, Jr.) but being a small market team, those times are few. And, let's face it, they've not been in it this far in the season very much in the last decade.

There are rumors out there (mostly by MLB Net's Peter Gammons) that the Reds are in the hunt for Lee. Stay tuned.

PS Happy about the Jackets picking up Moreau. He should provide some vet leadership.

muddie
07-01-2010, 11:00 AM
The Reds haven't drawn well in a while through the gate. Thier budget is smaller than most MLB clubs for several reasons. One bad move involving a lot of money will hamper this team for a while. I like the way Jocketty is being conservative and trying to bring the organization along from the bottom up. Cliff Lee aside, I think Jocketty will spend on complimentary pieces to improve the club but I would be very surprised to see him spend on a game breaker. The Reds have several names in the minors that could potentially be as good as some of the big name free agents out there if they're given the chance to develop. But for some tinkering, I hope he stays the course.

cincyforever
07-01-2010, 11:37 AM
There's no salary cap in the MLB, unlike the NHL. The Reds have gone after big names in the past (Rolen, Griffey, Jr.) but being a small market team, those times are few. And, let's face it, they've not been in it this far in the season very much in the last decade.

There are rumors out there (mostly by MLB Net's Peter Gammons) that the Reds are in the hunt for Lee. Stay tuned.

PS Happy about the Jackets picking up Moreau. He should provide some vet leadership.
Well do the Reds have their own budget, though? I mean, I know that there isn't a cap but the Reds obviously can't spend like the Yankees can. But I think the fella below you gave me the answer I was looking for. Just a little confusion, that's all.

PS to your PS- Yes, he will provide leadership and experience and he can play the PK like a madman.

GIDP
07-01-2010, 12:08 PM
Imagine if the Reds signed someone for 10 years 20 million then that guy got hurt and spend the next 10 years being off an on. Could the Reds recover from having that guy be on the DL and taking up so much cash? Remind anyone of Griffey? Griffey didnt make that much and the Reds could have done more, but it was such a burden still. Thats a lot of money that when a bad thing happens it sets you back a long time.

10 years 20 million is low for what big names want.

Sign short term contracts, and trade guys at their peak value. Joey Votto in a few years could be a great chance for the Reds to do something like the Marlins have done so great for years. Im not saying be cheap like the Marlins but know when to sell guys. Reds have struggled in that department a long time. They traded Casey late, they held on to Dunn for too long and gave him too much money. There is a handful of cases in the last decade where things just twisted a different way could have been so much better for the Reds.

flash
07-01-2010, 12:10 PM
The reds have gone after big names and gotten burned multiple times.

Griffey,

Dunn, their own, but they did play him a bucketful of money never has played up to potential. And no, he is not a lock on the hall. First, he has to find his way onto a decent team. Remeber Frank Hioward didn't make it either.

Harang, was considered one of the NL's best at the time of the signing. hasn't worked out that way.

Arroyo- He isn't an ace, we already know that.

There was another guy named Milton.

cincyforever
07-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Makes more sense to me. Makes all the more sense to me in knowing that's exactly why the CBJ doesn't go for big name UFAs.

On another note, can you build baseball teams based on your drafts? It's kind of seeming that way, but it takes years. Bruce, Bailey, correct me if I am wrong but Stubbs, etc.

brm7675
07-01-2010, 12:38 PM
The players you have listed I don't believe have hurt this team money wise. It was the signing of players like Mike Lincoln or Willy T or Corey Patterson or that bullpen guy we got a few years back who was no good. What about Eric Milton and such, it's moves like that which causes payroll issues. Griffey was worth the money, Dunn produced, Harang hasn't hurt us till this season and sorry but Bronson is not only worth what he is getting this team needs to add about 2-3 more years to his deal.


The reds have gone after big names and gotten burned multiple times.

Griffey,

Dunn, their own, but they did play him a bucketful of money never has played up to potential. And no, he is not a lock on the hall. First, he has to find his way onto a decent team. Remeber Frank Hioward didn't make it either.

Harang, was considered one of the NL's best at the time of the signing. hasn't worked out that way.

Arroyo- He isn't an ace, we already know that.

There was another guy named Milton.

brm7675
07-01-2010, 12:41 PM
You can, see the Marlins who have had decent teams via the draft. But to take that next step you have to have a good draft and mix those players with a good FA signing here and there. Adding Rolen is an example, he was a good addition, while adding Orlando probably wasn't. Keeping Bronson around after this season would be a good move given the youth of our pitching staff. Having an older player like Gomes is good, especially for the price. It's basically a balancing act.


Makes more sense to me. Makes all the more sense to me in knowing that's exactly why the CBJ doesn't go for big name UFAs.

On another note, can you build baseball teams based on your drafts? It's kind of seeming that way, but it takes years. Bruce, Bailey, correct me if I am wrong but Stubbs, etc.

The Voice of IH
07-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Pos.
TEAM TOTAL SALARY AVG.

1. New York Yankees $206,333,389 $8,253,336
2. Boston Red Sox $162,747,333 $5,611,977
3. Chicago Cubs $146,859,000 $5,439,222
4. Philadelphia Phillies $141,927,381 $5,068,835
5. New York Mets $132,701,445 $5,103,902
6. Detroit Tigers $122,864,929 $4,550,553
7. Chicago White Sox $108,273,197 $4,164,354
8. Los Angeles Angels $105,013,667 $3,621,161
9. Seattle Mariners $98,376,667 $3,513,452
10. San Francisco Giants $97,828,833 $3,493,887
11. Minnesota Twins $97,559,167 $3,484,256
12. Los Angeles Dodgers $94,945,517 $3,651,751
13. St. Louis Cardinals $93,540,753 $3,741,630
14. Houston Astros $92,355,500 $3,298,411
15. Atlanta Braves $84,423,667 $3,126,802
16. Colorado Rockies $84,227,000 $2,904,379
17. Baltimore Orioles $81,612,500 $3,138,942
18. Milwaukee Brewers $81,108,279 $2,796,837
19. Cincinnati Reds $72,386,544 $2,784,098
20. Kansas City Royals $72,267,710 $2,491,990
21. Tampa Bay Rays $71,923,471 $2,663,832
22. Toronto Blue Jays $62,689,357 $2,089,645
23. Washington Nationals $61,425,000 $2,047,500
24. Cleveland Indians $61,203,967 $2,110,482
25. Arizona Diamondbacks $60,718,167 $2,335,314
26. Florida Marlins $55,641,500 $2,060,796
27. Texas Rangers $55,250,545 $1,905,191
28. Oakland Athletics $51,654,900 $1,666,287
29. San Diego Padres $37,799,300 $1,453,819
30. Pittsburgh Pirates $34,943,000 $1,294,185

This is from CBS sports. As you can see, The Reds are in the middle of the pack...which is usually considered a small market franchises. The Reds are actually pretty good to there fans when it comes to acquiring a big name...Seaver, Griffy, Rolen ect. The problem is most of them just do not pan out like Sabathia did with Milwaukee, so we often forget.