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Homer Bailey
07-02-2010, 11:15 AM
Phillips 2B
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Stubbs CF
Arroyo RHP

vs. Dempster


Half-day for me. Heading to the game. Enjoy gentlefolks.

(Hate Stubbs in the 8 hole).

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Considering how Stubbs is struggling batting 8th doesn't seem so bad to me.

Redsfan320
07-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Stubbs needs to not be in the starting lineup. Not only is it basically a guaranteed out, it's a guaranteed strike-out.

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_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 11:20 AM
Cubs:

Colvin 7
Fontenot 4
Lee 3
Ramirez 5
Byrd 8
Fukudome 9
Castro 6
Hill 2
Dempster 1

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 11:25 AM
I'm thinking 5 pushups at home plate for every pitch that Stubbs watches sail in there for a called strike. He'd look like Laynce Nix before the end of the season.

I'm all for being patient at the plate, but he's reached the point now where he's simply GOT to be more aggressive at the dish. Pitchers are just pounding the zone on him because he's gotten the rep that he's not going to take that bat off his shoulders. He can make solid contact, it's not like he's swinging and missing everything. It's him watching them sail past that's killing him right now. It's putting him in the hole early in the count and forcing his hand to swing at stuff he shouldn't. Aggressive early is the key to fixing Stubbs. Once he's out of this funk and swinging better...THEN work on the patience. He's just got to reverse the current trend his in.

As for taking him out of the lineup...I've got no problem with them sitting him for a day or two and putting his butt in the cage. But he's shown too much promise to take him out for a longer stretch. He needs reps.

Homer Bailey
07-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Considering how Stubbs is struggling batting 8th doesn't seem so bad to me.

Dropping him to 8th means he will see even more breaking balls, and less pitches to hit. Not a place to send a slumping player, IMO.


Stubbs needs to not be in the starting lineup. Not only is it basically a guaranteed out, it's a guaranteed strike-out.

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Yep. .290 average since May 7th. Guaranteed strike-out. Too bad he struck out with the game on the line yesterday didn't he? Right?

Homer Bailey
07-02-2010, 11:41 AM
I won't be around the GT today, but I think for everyone's sake, the Stubbs, OC, Gomes bashing has seriously got to cool down. It's flat out ridiculous that a first place team could come under this much scrutiny, and three of the starters could be completely ripped to shreds for every mistake that they made.

Enjoy the game.

Redsfan320
07-02-2010, 11:41 AM
.290 BA since May 7th- I'm amazed he has this. Maybe he did good in May, I don't know, but lately (at least the last 2 weeks) he's struggled immensely.


Too bad he struck out with the game on the line yesterday didn't he? Right?

No, he hit a double play ball, which Bruce broke up. Now with his speed, he probably would've beaten it out, but still I'm not thrilled with how he hit it at all.

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Redsfan320
07-02-2010, 11:42 AM
And, yes, Homer, the team is in 1st, and I'm thrilled. :) Go Reds!!!!

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Cedric
07-02-2010, 11:47 AM
Stubbs needs to not be in the starting lineup. Not only is it basically a guaranteed out, it's a guaranteed strike-out.

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Lets not start that already. Stubbs did drive in the winning run yesterday with some help.

Homer Bailey
07-02-2010, 11:50 AM
.290 BA since May 7th- I'm amazed he has this. Maybe he did good in May, I don't know, but lately (at least the last 2 weeks) he's struggled immensely.

Except he's OPS'd .737 over the last 7 days.


No, he hit a double play ball, which Bruce broke up. Now with his speed, he probably would've beaten it out, but still I'm not thrilled with how he hit it at all.

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Bruce did not break up that play. Castro dropped it before Bruce was even close to him. Regardless, he was not getting Drew there.

All he had to do there was put a ball on the ground not directly at someone, and the Reds were going to get a run, and he did just that.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 11:51 AM
Dropping him to 8th means he will see even more breaking balls, and less pitches to hit. Not a place to send a slumping player, IMO.

Yep. .290 average since May 7th. Guaranteed strike-out. Too bad he struck out with the game on the line yesterday didn't he? Right?

I agree with this 100%. I'm a fan of Stubbs though, not one of the bashers. But even with that .290 average...he's STILL laying off very hittable pitches early in the counts WAY too often. That problem simply HAS to be addressed by the coaching staff and Drew.

11larkin11
07-02-2010, 12:11 PM
I agree with this 100%. I'm a fan of Stubbs though, not one of the bashers. But even with that .290 average...he's STILL laying off very hittable pitches early in the counts WAY too often. That problem simply HAS to be addressed by the coaching staff and Drew.

Stubbs gets lambasted on this board for taking very hittable pitches early in the count, and OC gets lambasted for hitting very hittable pitches early in the count.

You can't always get what you want.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 12:14 PM
Random question...when was the last time Bronson pitched a night game? I swear he's ended up pitching most of the day games this season and knowing how much he'd prefer to pitch in the evening, I just find it completely amusing he's had a ton of the day games this year. :laugh:

Screwball
07-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Stubbs gets lambasted on this board for taking very hittable pitches early in the count, and OC gets lambasted for hitting very hittable pitches early in the count.

You can't always get what you want.

I think you should fully expect him to be "lambasted" when he OPSes around .500 for a month and continues make outs on the first pitch, all the while batting at the top of the order. I'm not one to incessantly rag on a guy, but calling out Cabrera's abhorrent approach and performance for the last 30 some odd games is completely legitimate.

Redsfan320
07-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Bruce did not break up that play. Castro dropped it before Bruce was even close to him. Regardless, he was not getting Drew there.

All he had to do there was put a ball on the ground not directly at someone, and the Reds were going to get a run, and he did just that.

Both points taken. How he's OPSing so high in the last week, I'm not sure.

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_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Stubbs gets lambasted on this board for taking very hittable pitches early in the count, and OC gets lambasted for hitting very hittable pitches early in the count.

You can't always get what you want.

There's a big difference though. Stubbs is trying to acclimate himself to MLB pitching still. He's still in the learning process. He's never going to learn properly if he's constantly having to hit down 0-2. Cabrera KNOWS how to hit. He shouldn't get phased by the count nearly as much as Drew does. Plus he's hitting near the top of the order where it's more critical to see more pitches. Not just for yourself, but also for the rest of your teammates.

And just for the record, I'm not lambasting Drew...just pointing out something he needs to work on. Cabrera however..........

Redsfan320
07-02-2010, 12:56 PM
I'll be out of the house today, so no PBP for me. Later,

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PuffyPig
07-02-2010, 01:26 PM
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No, he hit a double play ball, which Bruce broke up. Now with his speed, he probably would've beaten it out, but still I'm not thrilled with how he hit it at all.

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He needed to make contact and hit a ground ball. He did that and won us the game.

He didn't hit a DP ball. I don't think he is capable of doing that.

VR
07-02-2010, 01:35 PM
On Stubbs...I'm frustrated too. Although at least 3 of his k's in the last 3 games have been on pitches clearly out of the zone.

All in all however, I think he's got enough discipline to see some improvements over time. He swings at the fewest pitches outside the zone (24.7) of any Red (Rolen is next), and sees the most pitches as well.

He's obviously focused on the right things...and not just hacking. A bit like Dunn, he can seem a bit overselective and get called looking too much. Stubbs also swings though way to many pitches....He is currently 6th in the league...behind power hitters Reynolds, Howard, Gomes, Dunn and Soriano.

It seems his eye is good enough to identify strikes...he just needs more experience and perhaps a swing adjustment to hit more of what he's swinging at.

Since the first time I saw him....I thought his swing was too loopy, often dropping that back shoulder like a power hitter. Someone needs to work on him getting a shorter, compact, simple, downward swing out of the guy to allow his legs to be more of an asset......because when he's on base, he's a game changer in a way no other Red comes close to.

nate
07-02-2010, 01:36 PM
Cabrera KNOWS how to hit.

Well...

:cool:

PuffyPig
07-02-2010, 01:42 PM
How he's OPSing so high in the last week, I'm not sure.

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The only logical explantion when you think a player is doing particularly bad when he's not is that your judgement is clouded becuase you don't like him.

You only remember the negative and ignore the positive.

Stubbs is not the problem. With his great speed and defense, he's an above average CF who still has lots of upside.

And the one thing he seems to be able to do consistently is drive in runs.

Hoosier Red
07-02-2010, 01:44 PM
Both points taken. How he's OPSing so high in the last week, I'm not sure.

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By doing this;
6 for 23 with 1 HR and 3 BB's.
He has had his struggles recently though.
The previous week he was 2 for 20 with 2 BB's.

So overall he's 8 for 43 with 5 BB's over the two weeks. It's not wrong to suggest he has been struggling but has struggled less this week.

I think sometimes it can take a while for impressions to go away especially if they confirm what we already believe.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:03 PM
Well...

:cool:

I didn't say he EXECUTES it...just that he does have the knowledge on HOW to hit. *grin*

nate
07-02-2010, 02:05 PM
Chat is open!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:16 PM
One of the best renditions of the Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard. Fantastic job. Didn't catch her name though.

camisadelgolf
07-02-2010, 02:20 PM
Stubbs batting 8th doesn't bother me either. If he were to get on base, pretty much any bunt that hits fair ground will get him to second base.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:22 PM
I'll do some PBP if nobody cares.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:23 PM
And this game is underway. Showing bunt

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:24 PM
Phillips K's trying to check his swing. Looks like the ump might call a rather tight zone.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:25 PM
OCab...first pitch swinging...flies out to left.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 02:25 PM
I'll do some PBP if nobody cares.

I would greatly appreciate it after not getting much PBP at all during yesterday's game. Thanks a bunch! :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:26 PM
No problem. Both clubs are celebrating the 4th weekend with white caps (with RW&B logos)

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:27 PM
I'll do some PBP if nobody cares.

Thanks! I'll be leaving in a few minutes though to start a holiday weekend.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:27 PM
Votto draws the walk. 40 straight games getting on base now.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 02:28 PM
WOOT. Nice job Joey! Hopefully Scott will get the run in just like yesterday. :D

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:29 PM
Chopper to short...a bit of confusion on who'd take it (ss or 3b) but they get Rolen. 0-0 after the first half inning.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 02:30 PM
Man, it just hurts to watch Rolen run. Especially when he tries to slow down after "sprinting."

I love Rolen, don't get me wrong, one of my favorite players. Just an observation.

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 02:30 PM
Votto draws the walk. 40 straight games getting on base now.

40 games, unreal. It really makes you appreciate the hitting streaks of Pete and Dimmagio.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:31 PM
I might have to get one of those caps. I like those alot.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Colvin grounds to Votto after 2 pitches. 1 down.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:32 PM
40 games, unreal. It really makes you appreciate the hitting streaks of Pete and Dimmagio.

Rose's hitting streak is one of in not the most remarkable things I have witnessed in baseball. Just hard to describe how exciting that was. What Votto is doing isn't quite at that level but pretty remarkable in it's own right.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:33 PM
Rose's hitting streak is one of in not the most remarkable thing I have witnessed in baseball. Just hard to describe how exciting that was. What Votto isn't quite at that level but pretty remarkable in it's own right.

Agreed. That streak is what made Pete my favorite player. He was just so much fun to watch.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:33 PM
K

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:34 PM
Agreed. That streak is what made Pete my favorite player. He was just so much fun to watch.

He was already my favorite by then. That streak just solidified it.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Grounder to Rolen who nearly airmails the throw to votto. But Joey hauls it in. 1-2-3 for Bronson.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:36 PM
He was already my favorite by then. That streak just solidified it.

I think Johnny was my favorite at that time, but that pushed Pete over the top for me. :O) Those were some good times to be a Reds fan and a kid. :thumbup:

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 02:36 PM
I might have to get one of those caps. I like those alot.

I saw a picture of them and the Reds one just looks really cool this year. I'd love to get one too but not for the $36 that they want for them. :eek:

Anyone surprised I've officially started saving money to buy some Joey Votto All Star gear? Hehe :lol:

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 02:36 PM
Anybody know what the major league record or national league record is for consecutive games on base? I'm guessing 56?

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Only 12 pitches for BA in the first.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Anybody know what the major league record or national league record is for consecutive games on base? I'm guessing 56?

I think it was a few games longer than Pete's streak...(his of course)...I recall Marty talking about it yesterday or the day before.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:38 PM
Jonny draws the leadoff walk. I laugh every time I see him do that whole helmet tug thing. Too funny.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:40 PM
I don't have gameday up, so somebody else will have to follow the pitch counts

Hoosier Red
07-02-2010, 02:40 PM
I think it was a few games longer than Pete's streak...(his of course)...I recall Marty talking about it yesterday or the day before.

Well it would have to be at least 56. :)
How many games has Votto reached base somehow other than a hit during the streak?

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:40 PM
Jonny draws the leadoff walk. I laugh every time I see him do that whole helmet tug thing. Too funny.

Which was the best,the Gomes tug or the Joe Morgan elbow flap? :)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:41 PM
Which was the best,the Gomes tug or the Joe Morgan elbow flap? :)

The chicken wing. No doubt.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:42 PM
The chicken wing. No doubt.

I agree. One of the most unique things I have ever seen for someone in the batters box.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:42 PM
Well it would have to be at least 56. :)
How many games has Votto reached base somehow other than a hit during the streak?

He said NL streak. DiMaggios' was AL.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:42 PM
I agree. One of the most unique things I have ever seen for someone in the batters box.

Although Ichiro's is pretty unique too.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:43 PM
Although Ichiro's is pretty unique too.

Yes for sure. Mike Hargrove was too. He was called the human rain delay.

Chip R
07-02-2010, 02:44 PM
84 - Ted Williams 1949

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:44 PM
Jay popped out to 2nd.

Gomes swipes 2nd on what looked like a hit and run but Razor whiffed.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:45 PM
Ramon K's on a ball in the dirt.. 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:45 PM
84 - Ted Williams 1949

National League on base streak. Not AL.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:46 PM
Infield hit to short and Stubbs flat out BEATS IT! Kid's got SOME wheels.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 02:46 PM
That was close

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:47 PM
Really close. Tie goes to the runner though. So I'd agree with the call.

1st & 3rd with 2 down. Bronson up.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:48 PM
Bronson hits one solidly, but flies out to center. 0-0 after 1 1/2

CTA513
07-02-2010, 02:51 PM
Didn't Castro give up the same type of hit to Stubbs at GABP due to him not charging the ball?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:51 PM
Cubs fans really don't deserve that stadium. I hate the cubs, but that was the best stadium to see a game at that I've ever been to. (although I've yet to visit GABP)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:51 PM
Grounder to Rolen right at the bag and Scott nearly airmails another one. 1 down.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:52 PM
Dempster has 37 pitches through two.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:52 PM
LOL. Votto signalling to rolen...throw it HERE! :O)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:52 PM
Cabrera with an "OLE!". Should've had it. It was hit sharply...but still. Single for Byrd.

Chip R
07-02-2010, 02:53 PM
National League on base streak. Not AL.

58 - Duke Snider - Brooklyn, 1954 & Barry Bonds - SF, 2003

Cedric
07-02-2010, 02:54 PM
Cabrera wouldn't have made that throw anyway. With his limited range he plays extremely deep compared to most SS.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:55 PM
True. No chance at getting Byrd, but still...He should've made that catch.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:55 PM
Fukudome draws the walk.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:56 PM
Fukudome draws the walk.

After being down 0-2 in the count.

Cedric
07-02-2010, 02:57 PM
Anyone ever have a friend over to watch the game... and the guy is driving you nuts with their negativity about the Reds?

Killin me.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:57 PM
Should've been a dp there, but Rolen hesitated because Byrd was almost right on top of him. 1st & 3rd with 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 02:57 PM
Hill with a grounder to Votto to end the inning. 0-0 after 2.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 02:58 PM
28 pitches for BA after two.

I've got to go. Happy 4th of July to everyone!

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 02:59 PM
Alright, time to make Dempster look like the meat he is.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:00 PM
Pretty much exactly what I am talking 'bout!!!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:00 PM
:jump: Phillips! 1-0 #10 for Brandon!

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:00 PM
Alright, time to make Dempster look like the meat he is.

Ask and you receive, BP! Phillips on pace for 200 hits.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Alright, time to continue making Dempster look like the meat he is.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Thought it would go farther than that... :D

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Cabrera trying to bunt for a hit.

cumberlandreds
07-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Terrible 1st pitch hitting by Phillips. :D

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Cabrera trying to bunt for a hit.

I like it. He sure has trouble hitting for hits.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:02 PM
I just got my lunch, can somebody cover PBP for an inning?

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:02 PM
Yay Brandon!! :jump:


LOL. Votto signalling to rolen...throw it HERE! :O)

They better show this game tonight in a replay like they did last night because this event I HAVE to see, LMAO :lol:

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:02 PM
I'll do it for an inning

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:02 PM
Cabrera K's on a ball in the opposite batters box.

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Votto K's

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Yay Brandon!! :jump:



They better show this game tonight in a replay like they did last night because this event I HAVE to see, LMAO :lol:

I'm watching WGN, I don't get the reds feeds.

Votto K'd

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Cabrera K's on a ball in the opposite batters box.

I was a fan when the Reds signed him because I thought he'd at least be mediocre offensively. However, his career is close to over. The majority on this board was right -- he's junk. I was completely wrong about him.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:04 PM
I'm watching WGN, I don't get the reds feeds.

They sometimes show pretty similar things and I can see Thom and Chris being amused at that moment. I'll let you know later tonight. :p:

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:04 PM
Rolen K's. Dempster K's the side following the BP homer.

Cedric
07-02-2010, 03:05 PM
Rolen K's. Dempster K's the side following the BP homer.

You are not allowed to do PBP anymore.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:06 PM
You are not allowed to do PBP anymore.

LOL

Big Klu
07-02-2010, 03:06 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
24. Brandon Phillips - 98

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:06 PM
He didn't K "the side" since Phillips was "on the Reds 'side'" and took him deep. Just a pet peeve of mine. No pitcher considers that striking out the side when they give up a HR (or a hit, walk, HBP, anything). It has to be 1-2-3 with K's for it to truly be "striking out the side."

"Side" means "the other team." In this sense, everyone who bats in that particular inning.

Announcers (and fans) who say that are wrong.

Cedric
07-02-2010, 03:08 PM
He didn't K "the side" since Phillips was "on the Reds 'side'" and took him deep. Just a pet peeve of mine. No pitcher considers that striking out the side when they give up a HR (or a hit, walk, HBP, anything). It has to be 1-2-3 with K's for it to truly be "striking out the side."

"Side" means "the other team." In this sense, everyone who bats in that particular inning.

Announcers (and fans) who say that are wrong.

You ruining game threads is a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:08 PM
You ruining game threads is a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.

You stay classy there!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:08 PM
Okay, we're winning...positive thoughts people!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Bronson's looking pretty sharp.

Degenerate39
07-02-2010, 03:09 PM
It's hard to believe Brandon is on that list for the Reds

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:10 PM
Oh well, not going to let him ruin this game (or this great day) for me.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:11 PM
Okay, we're winning...positive thoughts people!

Quoted for truth. It's Friday, it's a holiday weekend, the Reds are in first place in JULY, and the weather is gorgeous (at least it is by me). Let's enjoy it! :beerme:

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:11 PM
Bronson continues to cruise.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Quoted for truth. It's Friday, it's a holiday weekend, the Reds are in first place in JULY, and the weather is gorgeous (at least it is by me). Let's enjoy it! :beerme:

I'm stuck with the remnants of the first hurricane of the season. :O) Flooding everywhere here.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:12 PM
There are more Cub fans at the Lake Michigan beach than there are at the game.

1908!!!

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm stuck with the remnants of the first hurricane of the season. :O) Flooding everywhere here.

Whoa, sorry about your luck there. It's about 80 degrees here, sunny, and about as perfect as it can be for the Fourth of July weekend. Hope your weather improves soon. I'll think about your situation when I'm at the pool this weekend. :cool: :p:

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Some people are just rude. Like he, I agree it's 1-2-3, which is why I clarified following the BP home run. Go drink a beer buddy and calm down. :)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:14 PM
And I'll think about YOUR weather situation when I'm at the beach in January. :O)

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:14 PM
Whoa, sorry about your luck there. It's about 80 degrees here, sunny, and about as perfect as it can be for the Fourth of July weekend. Hope your weather improves soon. I'll think about your situation when I'm at the pool this weekend. :cool: :p:

Absolutely. The weather in Ohio couldn't be any better for the 4th weekend. I am loving it. A sweep of the Cubs would be even nicer.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:15 PM
And I'll think about YOUR weather situation when I'm at the beach in January. :O)

Hey, I like the snow and skiing...it's all good, LOL :laugh:

Anyone catch this moment during the game? From Fay's blog:


*Nice grab: In the third inning, a man holding a young child in his right arm snared a Votto foul ball with his left hand. Finest fan catch Iíve seen in a while.

Web gem for the fan, LOL :D

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:16 PM
I actually miss Ohio weather. I love the snow.

But back to the game. Gomes popped out on a moon shot that Castro pulled in.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Jay K's on a breaking pitch out of the zone. 6 k's for Dempster.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Bruce goes fishing. Two down.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Random: Joey is on the front page of MLB.com right now for the Reds-Cubs game and they've all ready updated about the streak and Brandon's HR. Look quickly because I'm sure it will be gone soon, LOL :laugh:

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:18 PM
Only Chris Welsh could describe that ridiculous "twitch" that Dempster does with his glove while in his windup and make it sound like a good thing. Makes Dempster look like a nervous nellie.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Wait, I missed that. Some team fired their manager and GM today. Who?

nate
07-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Wait, I missed that. Some team fired their manager and GM today. Who?

Wasn't it the D-Backs?

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:19 PM
C'mon guys ... quit fishing for that junk. He can't blow anyone away with his fastball anymore. Sit on the fastball and don't go fishing.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Razor K's on what he thought was ball 4. A lot of check swing strikes for Dempster.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Wasn't it the D-Backs?

Oh, that would make sence. Probably a good move there.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:20 PM
D'Backs fired Manager Hinch and GM Byrnes late last night. I saw it on BBTN right before I went to bed.

Random Reds Fun Fact (from reds.com): The Reds' 14-13 record in June gave them a winning record in each of the first three months of the season for the first time since 1992. :thumbup:

Can you tell I'm really bored at work today? :laugh:

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Hasn't that become a yearly tradition for the D-backs?

Hoosier Red
07-02-2010, 03:21 PM
I'm stuck with the remnants of the first hurricane of the season. :O) Flooding everywhere here.

Look we're trying to be positive okay JERK, so just keep your about the Houston weather to a minimum.
:D :p:

Tony Cloninger
07-02-2010, 03:21 PM
No kidding....quit going for that garbage..... Have they not figured out what that is yet?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:22 PM
D'Backs fired Manager Hinch and GM Byrnes late last night. I saw it on BBTN right before I went to bed.

Random Reds Fun Fact (from reds.com): The Reds' 14-13 record in June gave them a winning record in each of the first three months of the season for the first time since 1992. :thumbup:

Can you tell I'm really bored at work today? :laugh:

Speaking of random facts, did anybody see the one Fay posted yesterday?


In the previous 16 years since the NL was divided into three divisions, 12 times one of the teams leading the Central on July 1 won that division. Your July 1, 2010 leader: Cincinnati.

Chip R
07-02-2010, 03:22 PM
Anyone catch this moment during the game? From Fay's blog:

Web gem for the fan, LOL :D

I'm shocked Fay wrote that without misspelling anything.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Look we're trying to be positive okay JERK, so just keep your about the Houston weather to a minimum.
:D :p:

*slinks out of the thread with his head lowered in shame* Please forgive me. :O)

Lee flies out to Stubbs for out #1

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:23 PM
I'm shocked Fay wrote that without misspelling anything.

Ha!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Ramirez grounds out to Cabrera. Quickly 2 down. Bronson's cruising today. Nice to see.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Ghana 1, Uruguay 0 at the half. (For the very few who might care.)

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Bronson is cruisin' baybee!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Byrd pops out to Hernandez in foul ground. 7 pitch inning. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm shocked Fay wrote that without misspelling anything.

He said he got it from Reds media relations...so I'm guessing he copy/pasted it. Otherwise the punctuation wouldn't have been there at all. :O)

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm shocked Fay wrote that without misspelling anything.

Its actually Tom Groeshen reporting on Fay's blog. He's on the Chicago trip to report from Wrigley the whole weekend so that would explain the better spelling. :p:

Degenerate39
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I enjoyed watching BP and Baker's son jump for joy lol

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
Stubbs leading off.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:27 PM
Boy you can tell Castro is a complete hot dog.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:27 PM
Routine grounder to Short...Stubbs out by a half a step. That shouldn't have been close.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:29 PM
Arroyo goes down swinging...or fishing. 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:31 PM
Brandon grounds out to third for a 1-2-3 inning for Dempster. After 4 1/2, Reds up 1-0.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:31 PM
Although Dumpster is doing his best to prevent it, this game is going by pretty fast. Dempster is the Mike Hargrove of pitchers.

Degenerate39
07-02-2010, 03:32 PM
What are the pitch counts?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Dempster 78
Arroyo 50

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:34 PM
Fukudome trying to bunt for a hit. Quickly down 0-2

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:34 PM
High chopper back to a leaping Bronson. 1 down.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:35 PM
The Reds know I have somewhere to be right after work today so they're making sure I know the final score before I leave work. That's my working theory about the pace of the game today. :p:

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Welsh is cracking me up. I am loving it. (Telling stories about sitting in the bleachers at Wrigley.)

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:36 PM
WHHHEeeeewwww. I thought that was a HR for sure.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:36 PM
Mercy. Castro PUMMELED that pitch. Hooked foul. *whew*

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:37 PM
Rocket shot right at Rolen. 2 down.

Castro was pulling everything but really POUNDING that ball.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:37 PM
Man, Castro was all over Arroyo in that at bat. He hit the ball hard three times. Lucky to get him out there.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:39 PM
Least surprising thing ever: Fukudome's swoon after a hot start.

(OK, maybe that's a close second behind Zambrano melting down.)

1908!!!

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:40 PM
And we head to the 6th. 1-0 Redlegs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:40 PM
If I disappear shortly, it might be a power outtage. Lightning really coming in hard right now.

Grounder to Phillips to end the inning. It remains 1-0 good guys.

Hoosier Red
07-02-2010, 03:41 PM
If I disappear shortly, it might be a power outtage. Lightning really coming in hard right now.

Grounder to Phillips to end the inning. It remains 1-0 good guys.

You can disappear with the lightning? Awesome. Is that a superpower or something?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:41 PM
You can disappear with the lightning? Awesome. Is that a superpower or something?

What can I say...I'm unique.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:42 PM
Cabrera, Votto & Rolen due up. Time to put a hurtin' on Dempster.

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:42 PM
I was going to make a comment here about Touchdown Jesus and lightning but I can't put it all together and make it funny. My afternoon is going too slow, LOL :p:

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Orlando out on a nubber to 2nd. He had to nearly fall over the plate even to REACH that pitch. Dempster really seems to be fooling the Reds' hitters today. Lots of REALLY bad swings.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:44 PM
Votto with a towering fly out to left. 2 down.

LincolnparkRed
07-02-2010, 03:44 PM
Least surprising thing ever: Fukudome's swoon after a hot start.

(OK, maybe that's a close second behind Zambrano melting down.)

1908!!!

It's like the changing of the seasons. 3rd year running

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:45 PM
Dempster getting some calls on the edges of the zone now.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Rolen grounds out to short. Another 1-2-3 for Dempster.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Orlando out on a nubber to 2nd. He had to nearly fall over the plate even to REACH that pitch. Dempster really seems to be fooling the Reds' hitters today. Lots of REALLY bad swings.

Well, it was Orlando Cabrera.

*Holding on to his career by a thread*

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:47 PM
3 hitter....by both teams combined. Offensive EXPLOSION!!!!

HeatherC1212
07-02-2010, 03:47 PM
At least one of those hits went out to give us the lead earlier in the game, LOL :p:

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:48 PM
Well, it was Orlando Cabrera.

*Holding on to his career by a thread*

True, but Dempster's doing that to nearly ALL the Reds' hitters. Not just the ones who should be collecting social security checks.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:48 PM
Flippin curve balls in there like it's nothing.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:48 PM
True, but Dempster's doing that to nearly ALL the Reds' hitters. Not just the ones who should be collecting social security checks.

Ha! Good point.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:49 PM
NASTY! That was a GREAT pitch!

K#3

Hoosier Red
07-02-2010, 03:50 PM
Dempster getting some calls on the edges of the zone now.

Umpire's logic, "What?! You swung at it last time. Are you too good for it now?"

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:50 PM
Nice play there by Orlando. Barehanded right in front of 2nd. 13 sat down in a row by Bronson. 12 by Dempster.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:50 PM
There you go Cabrera! That's the first time I've really seen you help the team in a long time.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:51 PM
Mmmmm....where did THAT miss at?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:52 PM
Liner for a single to left for Fontenot.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:52 PM
Ghana 1, Uruguay 1.

(Sorry, I'll stop now. Just flipping over there once in a while between pitches.)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:53 PM
2 down, man on first, Lee up. 3-0

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:53 PM
C'mon, buckle down here.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:54 PM
Lee walks. 2nd walk of the day for Bronson. 1st & 2nd with Ramirez up.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:54 PM
Bronson hasn't been out of the stretch much, that might be what's throwing him off a bit here.

Ron Madden
07-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Lee walks. 2nd walk of the day for Bronson. 1st & 2nd with Ramirez up.

Thanks for the PBP SC. :thumbup:

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Man, that was a HUGE out.

And to the 7th we go.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Way to get out of it...

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Grounder to Rolen, tosses to Phillips for the force. 3 down. It remains 1-0 Redlegs. Now for some ADD ON!!!!

np Ron

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:58 PM
Arroyo 6 ip / 2 hits / 0 runs / 2 bb / 3 k's / 89 pitches
Dempster 6 ip / 2 hits / 1 run / 2 bb / 8 k's / 89 pitches

Nice pitchers duel

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 03:58 PM
Gomes, Bruce, Hernandez.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:00 PM
Full count to Gomes. And Jonny takes the walk. Nice AB there from Gomes.

Degenerate39
07-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Nice At Bat from Gomes. I believe he was behind 0-2 to start the at bat wasn't he?

LincolnparkRed
07-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Gotta love Ron Santo. Pat says "cubs are 16-28 in one run games"

Ron"that's hard to phantom" you read that right, he said phantom not fathom

Pat just ignored it

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Yep. Nice job of battling back.

WebScorpion
07-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Full count to Gomes. And Jonny takes the walk. Nice AB there from Gomes.
You can say that again...and 8 pitch walk after starting 0-2, to run Dempsters PC from 88 to 96. It's time to jump all over him now! :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Gotta love Ron Santo. Pat says "cubs are 16-28 in one run games"

Ron"that's hard to phantom" you read that right, he said phantom not fathom

Pat just ignored it

Maybe Fay's writing his dialog. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:03 PM
Dempster's losing the zone big time. Bouncing them up there on his breaking pitches now.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Jay walks. Back to back free passes to start the inning. Time to bust this one open.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Ryan's moving like a slug now as they just got someone up in the pen. Gotta give him some time to warm up.

Ron Madden
07-02-2010, 04:05 PM
Walks will haunt.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:05 PM
Razor swinging for the fences on that one. :O)

Degenerate39
07-02-2010, 04:05 PM
Razor swinging for the fences on that one. :O)

The windy city just got a little windier after that one

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Dempster is all over the place. I'm wondering if he's injured. Looks like a totally different pitcher.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Bases Jacked!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:09 PM
High chopper to Fontenot...he tries to tag bruce as he runs past him but he didn't have the ball quite yet...so he drops it. Error. Everybody safe. :O)

Bases loaded for Stubbs! Time to pump up that OPS!

Kc61
07-02-2010, 04:10 PM
Stubbs will come through.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:11 PM
2-0. He may just walk in a run. Not really even close to the zone.

2-1 now

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:12 PM
That's the kind of pitch Stubbs CAN'T just lay off of, he's got to start taking a whack at that pitch. FB right down the heart of the dish.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:12 PM
9th K for Dempster. Pretty bad ab there from Drew.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:13 PM
Bronson hitting. 1 down.

3-0

Tony Cloninger
07-02-2010, 04:14 PM
Good Grief that was bad. Fat fastball and he raises his arms up? What are you doing?

Then goes out of the zone of course.....although he usually does it on low and away pitches.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 04:14 PM
Walks in a run!

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:14 PM
4 pitch walk to make it 2-0 Reds! Here comes Lou.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:14 PM
Yes sir! Few things could make me happier than seeing Dempster walk the pitcher to walk in a run. I love it.

Tony Cloninger
07-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Dempster was gassed...but that Stubbs AB...jeepers....I can here Dusty in his head going....How is Gary doing in AAA?

Kc61
07-02-2010, 04:16 PM
Good Grief that was bad. Fat fastball and he raises his arms up? What are you doing?

Then goes out of the zone of course.....although he usually does it on low and away pitches.

Stubbs tries to be selective but he overdoes it.

Ron Madden
07-02-2010, 04:16 PM
Bronson shows Drew how to take a walk.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:16 PM
Good Grief that was bad. Fat fastball and he raises his arms up? What are you doing?

Then goes out of the zone of course.....although he usually does it on low and away pitches.

But see, that's what I was talking about. He lets that fastball go thru and now he's down in the count and has to expand his zone...thus, he swings at that pitch down and away.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:16 PM
Stubbs tries to be selective but he overdoes it.

Bingo. I like that the kid tries to be patient...but it's gotten to the point where the coaches have to tell him to be more aggressive.

Kc61
07-02-2010, 04:17 PM
But see, that's what I was talking about. He lets that fastball go thru and now he's down in the count and has to expand his zone...thus, he swings at that pitch down and away.

Exactly right. Stubbs is so overly selective that he constantly has two strikes. It's good to take pitches, but swing at the fastballs in the zone.

reds44
07-02-2010, 04:17 PM
Something has to be done about Stubbs. I'm not saying bench him totally, but Heisey needs some ABs in CF.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:17 PM
Brian Schlitter (never heard of him) on the mound to face Brandon.

MississippiRed
07-02-2010, 04:18 PM
But see, that's what I was talking about. He lets that fastball go thru and now he's down in the count and has to expand his zone...thus, he swings at that pitch down and away.

According to gameday, both of the strikes he took were sweet: first one was belt high on the outer half and second was inner part but low. Dempsey was giving him a chance to be a power hitter!

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Wow, how often do you see that? Back-to-back walks to force in runs.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Another run walked in!

reds44
07-02-2010, 04:19 PM
We have ZERO hits this inning.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Sometimes it makes me wonder if Dusty & co told Stubbs early on in the season to show more patience at the plate because he was leading off. But now that he's down in the order, he's still doing it.

And with that...Brandon walks. 3-0 Reds. I love it!

reds44
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Oh come on OC.

Ron Madden
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Walks will haunt.

pedro
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Something has to be done about Stubbs. I'm not saying bench him totally, but Heisey needs some ABs in CF.

Are we going to go through this every time the guy doesn't come through? Because even the best guy is going to fail 6 times out of 10. It gets old.

He's 1-3 today. Give it a break.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
"Rally-killer Cabrera" pops out to SS. All we needed was a fly ball there.

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
OCab...4 walks in the inning...and he swings at the first pitch. Pop out to shallow left

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Shocking that Stubbs and O-Cab have made the outs this inning.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Wow, wild pitch! 4-0 Reds!!!

reds44
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Three runs this inning without a hit.

Aweosme lol

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Passed ball scores the 4th run. Everybody moves up.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Wild pitch! Another run w/out a hit!

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Or passed ball. Cross up.

TheBurn
07-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Ruled a passed ball?

_Sir_Charles_
07-02-2010, 04:22 PM
IBB to Votto to re-load the bases for Rolen. :O)

2 down, bases jacked for Scott. 4-0 Reds.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:22 PM
In memory of their fallen hero (Zambrano) the Cubs are in full melt-down mode.

TheNext44
07-02-2010, 04:23 PM
My view on the pitches that Stubbs took were that he wasn't going to hit them hard if he swung. He was 2-0. You look for one pitch, in one zone there, and if it's not there you take. On 2-1, the pitch was on the corner low and inside, a terrible pitch to hit hard for a tall RH. Those are usually pop ups if he makes contact.

I have no problem with Stubbs taking those pitches. Him swinging through a hanging curve after that for strike three is inexcusable.

Blitz Dorsey
07-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I don't think I've ever seen the Reds score 3 runs in an inning without getting a hit. This is amazing. I love every bit of it.

bucksfan2
07-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I don't think I've ever seen the Reds score 3 runs in an inning without getting a hit. This is amazing. I love every bit of it.

Can we dispel the notion that Dusty doesn't like walks now?