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Vottomatic
07-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Sporting a 1.06 ERA with 29 K's in 17 IP at Lynchburg.

Before that he posted an 0.78 ERA with 40 K's in 23 IP at Dayton.

He has yet to give up a HR.

Why isn't this guy being fast tracked?

22 year old lefty with obviously good stuff. He should be promoted to double AA after the AS game in my opinion. Clearly he's proven himself at single A and high A ball.

dougdirt
07-03-2010, 12:43 PM
To work on specific things, so he can be ready to get out major league hitters quicker.

GOYA
07-03-2010, 04:12 PM
Doug, do you have info on the various pitching coaches though the minors and their strengths as teachers?

dougdirt
07-03-2010, 05:10 PM
Doug, do you have info on the various pitching coaches though the minors and their strengths as teachers?

Tom Brown seems to be the guy who is teaching everyone their cut fastball. Soto has been the go to guy for the change up. Not sure who the 'slider' guy is.

mace
07-03-2010, 06:29 PM
Tom Brown seems to be the guy who is teaching everyone their cut fastball. Soto has been the go to guy for the change up. Not sure who the 'slider' guy is.

You know, that brings up an excellent point. Tom Brown seems to be their real pitching guru of the minor leagues. He's the guy who last year transformed Ondrusek from nobody to somebody. He may have done the same for Del Rosario, although I'm less certain of that. That could be why Joseph is still in Lynchburg. They might simply want him to spend more time with Tom Brown.

muddie
07-03-2010, 09:27 PM
Tom Brown is in Carolina.

mace
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Tom Brown is in Carolina.

Well, then . . . never mind.

camisadelgolf
07-03-2010, 10:22 PM
You know, that brings up an excellent point. Tom Brown seems to be their real pitching guru of the minor leagues. He's the guy who last year transformed Ondrusek from nobody to somebody. He may have done the same for Del Rosario, although I'm less certain of that. That could be why Joseph is still in Lynchburg. They might simply want him to spend more time with Tom Brown.
Mario Soto gets a lot of the credit for helping with Del Rosario.

nemesis
07-04-2010, 05:49 AM
Well, then . . . never mind.

Just Wait til Joseph gets to Carolina and learns that Cut Fastball to throw RH. :thumbup: *shudders*

icehole3
07-04-2010, 06:45 AM
Mario Soto gets a lot of the credit for helping with Del Rosario.

thats what I thought as well, but someone made him go submarine and I think that mayve been Brown

Vottomatic
07-04-2010, 02:24 PM
Joseph rumored to be part of a Heisy for Marmol trade.

Stay tuned.

I hope not.

dougdirt
07-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Joseph rumored to be part of a Heisy for Marmol trade.

Stay tuned.

I hope not.

If by rumored, you mean made up by someone who doesn't get paid, then sure.

jt4prez
07-04-2010, 05:11 PM
Can somebody give a scouting report on Joseph in terms of velocity/repertoire?

GIDP
07-04-2010, 05:31 PM
Can somebody give a scouting report on Joseph in terms of velocity/repertoire?

92-93 MPH fastball
Killer Slider

Screwball
07-05-2010, 11:41 AM
92-93 MPH fastball
Killer Slider

Joseph reminds me of Zach Stewart. Pitcher picked in the third round out of college. Has good stuff and is putting up dominating numbers in the minors.

GIDP
07-05-2010, 12:30 PM
Joseph is a lefty though.

Screwball
07-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Joseph is a lefty though.

Well then, scratch that. I saw this picture (http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/hou/sports/m-basebl/auto_wide_new/1047807.jpeg) while doing a google search on Joseph and assumed it was right. Still, the other similarities remain.

GIDP
07-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Well then, scratch that. I saw this picture (http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/hou/sports/m-basebl/auto_wide_new/1047807.jpeg) while doing a google search on Joseph and assumed it was right. Still, the other similarities remain.

I dont know how similar they really are.

Joseph is a reliever so these are skewed, but his h/9 is way lower, his k/9 is way higher. Only real comps stat wise is bb/9.

Screwball
07-06-2010, 11:34 AM
I dont know how similar they really are.

Joseph is a reliever so these are skewed, but his h/9 is way lower, his k/9 is way higher. Only real comps stat wise is bb/9.

It doesn't necessarily have to be stats-wise. They were both (good) college relievers. They both were selected in the third round by the Reds in the draft. They both throw low to mid 90s heat complemented by a nasty slider. They both dominated the low minors.

Sure, they're not clones, but there are similarities that extend beyond how many guys they strike out.

GIDP
07-06-2010, 11:43 AM
It doesn't necessarily have to be stats-wise. They were both (good) college relievers. They both were selected in the third round by the Reds in the draft. They both throw low to mid 90s heat complemented by a nasty slider. They both dominated the low minors.

Sure, they're not clones, but there are similarities that extend beyond how many guys they strike out.

I guess. I dont know if being college relievers, and being good is enough to say they are similar.

Screwball
07-06-2010, 12:20 PM
I guess. I dont know if being college relievers, and being good is enough to say they are similar.

Um, I clearly said more than that in two separate posts. I know you were a big Stewart fan, but there's no need to misrepresent my stance because I think Joseph is comparable.

GIDP
07-06-2010, 12:23 PM
Um, I clearly said more than that in two separate posts. I know you were a big Stewart fan, but there's no need to misrepresent my stance because I think Joseph is comparable.

Im not misrepresenting it. I'm not agreeing with it.

Screwball
07-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Im not misrepresenting it. I'm not agreeing with it.

I certainly went into more depth than you claimed. That's misrepresentation. Besides, I can keep going. Joseph's GB% for his MiL career is 46.5%, Stewart's is 49.5%. Both went to Texas colleges. Both have last names that could be first names. Both project by most to be above-average late inning relievers, IMO.

So, to summarize:

-Both drafted by Reds in 3rd round
-Both were drafted out of Div. I Texas colleges (Joseph-Houston, Stewart-Texas Tech)
-Both were college relievers
-Both throw low to mid 90s fastballs with nasty sliders as complementary pieces
-Both have similar GB% in their MiL careers
-Both are likely to end up as high leverage relievers in the Majors
-Both dominated the low minors to start their professional careers
-Both have similar name syntax

Like I said, they're not identical, but there are quite a few similarities. And I definitely said it's more than just "college relievers and are good."

GIDP
07-06-2010, 12:51 PM
I understood every thing you said the 1st 2nd and 3rd time you posted it. I just dont think its similar other than things that you could say about basically every minor league pitcher. Being from two different Texas colleges isnt really similar to me. Being drafted in the 3rd round isnt really a similarity to me. They have things in common, but when it comes to baseball I dont think that makes them similar. My birthdate is the same month and day as Lebron James, and we are both from ohio, doesnt mean anything honestly.

I see how you could say there are things in common, but I dont think they are all that similar other than very basic things.

Joseph has struck out a ton more, gets hit less, is left handed. Those things make me see a different pitcher more than those things you said make me see similar pitchers.

Honestly this is silly. I think you are insulted or something about it, I certainly am just trying to say I dont see the similarities that you see. This isnt a debate really its opinion.

Screwball
07-06-2010, 01:14 PM
Insulted? Nah. But I don't appreciate having my statements mischaracterized. Your opinion is fine, and I have no problem with disagreement. Just keep in mind a little tact can go a long way.

GIDP
07-06-2010, 01:16 PM
Insulted? Nah. But I don't appreciate having my statements mischaracterized. Your opinion is fine, and I have no problem with disagreement. Just keep in mind a little tact can go a long way.

I really dont know how on a message board something can be mischaracterized. Everyone can read what you typed. Sorry if you think I some how slighted you in some way. We are so off topic, but I just wanted to make this last statement. Take it how ever you want. Tact or no tact.