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Degenerate39
07-05-2010, 11:29 AM
A few of my friends and I were planning on seeing Strasburg pitch in Cincinnati this series. I'm assuming the first game after the All Star break will be started by the Ace of the staff. So going by the schedule the Reds would end up facing the 4th, 5th, 1st and 2nd starters in their rotation.

Does anyone know where Stras is in their rotation? (Hopefully not #3!)

And would it be hard to find 3 or 4 seats together if we just buy the tickets at the window? It's been a while since I've been to Cincy and I know the attendence is probably fairly well this year.

Redsfan320
07-05-2010, 11:34 AM
I will be at the Tuesday (20th) game with the family. I would love to see Strasburg pitch, but I still hope we miss him, because I would even more love for the Reds to win.

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Degenerate39
07-05-2010, 11:58 AM
I'd love to see the Reds beat the living day lights out of him, myself

Cyclone792
07-05-2010, 12:01 PM
You should be able to get 4 seats together to see Strasburg pitch without a problem, I'm guessing. Attendance still isn't strong during the week, and I'm not even sure they'd hit 30k even during the game that Strasburg pitches.

If you do plan on buying tickets at the window for the Strasburg game, I just might recommend not walking up to the window 15 minutes before first pitch. Walk ups will likely be strong, and the lines would be long, but there would be plenty of tickets available. Get there an hour early if you can, and you should be able to just walk right up.

Mario-Rijo
07-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Just breaking down their game logs and based on nothing more than my own logic it appears like so.

#1 - Livan Hernandez - Gotta use the wiley vet there for now right, innings eater at the very least.

#2 - Strasburg - Next best option really.

#3 - J.D. Martin - The oldest pitcher left and one with a bit of experience under his belt plus is currently at least keeping his team in most games he's pitched.

#4 - Luis Atilano

#5 - Craig Stammen

Jason Marquis could be back by then (but I doubt it), if so that would make Strasburg the likely #3.

Degenerate39
07-05-2010, 12:12 PM
So going by that Stras will either pitch the last game of the series or not at all (if Marquis comes back)

Mario-Rijo
07-05-2010, 12:30 PM
So going by that Stras will either pitch the last game of the series or not at all (if Marquis comes back)

Right but again my logic so who really knows what Riggleman will do. So many potential variables to consider. For example 17 of their next 23 games (after the break) are on the road. If you want to get 2 games out of Strasburg at home (and against divisional rivals) then you would have to pitch him as the #1 starter coming back (which is what I'd do anyhow). In fact breaking down their schedule I'd probably go that route with him. That would mean the 3rd game against us and Livan the 4th, either way it looks like the last 2 games is a fair bet. If he does start their 3rd game however we wouldn't have to see him until '11, which is ok by me anyhow.

Roy Tucker
07-05-2010, 12:58 PM
If he pitches on Tues. the 20th, the Reds and Budweiser have a nice little promotion going for Tuesdays. 2 field box seats plus 2 vouchers for beers for $22.

the seats are sect. 139 which is right next to the RF foul pole. The ad says its a $78 value for $22.

http://www.reds.com/bud

Degenerate39
07-05-2010, 03:59 PM
On Yahoo Sports it lists Stras as their 2nd starter but I'm not sure how accurate Yahoo is on this

fearofpopvol1
07-05-2010, 04:25 PM
I wouldn't assume anything at this point. You should be able to figure it out after the ASB though.

Tornon
07-05-2010, 04:41 PM
It's tough to peg him, because he will be treated similar to how we are treating Leake to limit his innings. For that reason, he may be considered the #5 just so they can skip him when they need to

Far East
07-05-2010, 04:51 PM
An equally important question might be what rotation changes Baker/Price could make after the All star break.

Do they stay with Harang, Cueto, Arroyo, Leake, and Wood?

Is so, in what order?

Who vacates the rotation when Volquez comes back?

Degenerate39
07-05-2010, 04:57 PM
An equally important question might be what rotation changes Baker/Price could make after the All star break.

Do they stay with Harang, Cueto, Arroyo, Leake, and Wood?

Is so, in what order?

Who vacates the rotation when Volquez comes back?

Yeah that's another good point that I forgot to bring up. I can't imagine Harang getting the first start after the ASB though

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 08:41 AM
Is anyone seeing (hoping for) a connection?

Harang scratched last night with "lower back pains"-

Volquez due to come back soon-

We'd need a starter out of the rotation, and I don't want it to be Leake, Cueto, Arroyo, or Wood near as much as it needs to be Harang...maybe save him the humiliation of being DFA'd (which if I'm correct, is the only way you can send him down now), and put him on the DL instead. :pray:

EDIT: And I think the Reds would want to save him from humiliation, because for some reason, they've always worried about being very nice to Harang.

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OesterPoster
07-06-2010, 09:38 AM
I've read on a Nationals blog that they plan on skipping Strasburg's turn right after the break to limit his innings. It was mentioned that he might not even pitch in that 3 game series with Florida, so he'd probably throw against the Reds on the 19th or 20th.

Though I wouldn't put much weight into "some blog". :)

medford
07-06-2010, 09:58 AM
you'll have to wait until after the all star game to be sure, as they'll likely adjust their pitching schedules. However, if you wanted to take a guess, and assume the Washington will want him to get 2 starts in their 6 game homestand surrounded by 2 decent sized road trips, he'll make a start to kick off their series vs Atlanta at home on the 27th. Using that as my baseline, he'd be the #1 pitcher coming out of the break, making a start on the 16th @ Florida, again 5 days later @ cincy on the 21st, then again 5 days later on the 27th (or 6 days later, 5 games since they have an off day on the 26) at home vs the Braves.

At least that is how I would do it if I were Washington

nate
07-06-2010, 10:38 AM
Is anyone seeing (hoping for) a connection?

Harang scratched last night with "lower back pains"-

Volquez due to come back soon-

We'd need a starter out of the rotation, and I don't want it to be Leake, Cueto, Arroyo, or Wood near as much as it needs to be Harang...maybe save him the humiliation of being DFA'd (which if I'm correct, is the only way you can send him down now), and put him on the DL instead. :pray:

EDIT: And I think the Reds would want to save him from humiliation, because for some reason, they've always worried about being very nice to Harang.

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I'm sorry, are you saying that Harang would be phantom DL'ed to avoid the humiliation of being DFA so he (the third best, maybe even second best with Leake's recent results, starting pitcher the Reds have had this year) can be sent down to the minors?

Is that really what you're saying or am I reading this incorrectly?

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 11:01 AM
No, nate, I don't actually think so. However, someone is going to have to go down for Volquez when he comes up, and if (but I don't think he will at all) they were going to send Harang down, I would think they would, as you say, phantom DL him instead of DFA him. BUT, it will almost certainly be Wood to be sent down, unless Leake has reached his innings limit already, so it's all really a mute point. BTW, that's an interesting avatar you got there. Is "Rally Dog" the new thing. Are "Rally Onion" and the new-found "Rally Drake" done? I missed the GT last night!

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Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 11:07 AM
BTW, by what stat/ way is Harang one of the top 3 on the staff? ERA is probably the typical favorite for pitcher measurement, and he has the highest of the Reds staff at 5.02.
In wins, if you're into that, he's tied for 3rd with Leake, although that's really 3rd of 4, as Wood was just called up. He is 2nd in K, one behind Cueto. He also has the highest WHIP on the team.

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nate
07-06-2010, 12:01 PM
No, nate, I don't actually think so. However, someone is going to have to go down for Volquez when he comes up, and if (but I don't think he will at all) they were going to send Harang down, I would think they would, as you say, phantom DL him instead of DFA him.

I don't see any reason to DFA Harang.

If he's hurt, I don't see any reason to "phantom DL" him.

nate
07-06-2010, 12:01 PM
BTW, by what stat/ way is Harang one of the top 3 on the staff?

Amongst Reds SP with > 100 IP

K/9: 1st
BB/9: 1st
K/BB: 1st

Which leads to a middling FIP of 4.55 (3rd best) and xFIP (2nd best.)

Where he's bad:

HR/9: Last
BAA: Last

He does have a .331 BABIPa and gives a LD% of 22.8 which is just worse than Johnny Cueto's 22.2%. So he does tend to get hit hard but he doesn't issue a lot of free passes and he does his fair share of striking out batters.


ERA is probably the typical favorite for pitcher measurement,

I use many measurements. ERA tells me how well a pitcher and his defense prevent earned runs from scoring. I want to know more about what the pitcher did in isolation from the defense. That's why FIP and other defense independent metrics better predict ERA than ERA does.


and he has the highest of the Reds staff at 5.02.
In wins, if you're into that,

Pitching wins are a team split, not a measure of pitching performance.


he's tied for 3rd with Leake, although that's really 3rd of 4, as Wood was just called up. He is 2nd in K, one behind Cueto. He also has the highest WHIP on the team.

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Saying he's one of the three best pitchers on the Reds staff is more faint praise than anything. The starters need help.

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't see any reason to DFA Harang.

If he's hurt, I don't see any reason to "phantom DL" him.

1st, let me say I haven't read your other, longer post, so if you add on to this post in that, I'll get to that in my next post. As for DFA'ing Harang, I don't particularly see a reason either, I'm just saying that should the Reds want Harang in AAA, I think they would "phantom DL" him instead of DFA'ing him. However, there's a 98% chance that he is really hurting. I'd say he'll probably start tonight, unless it is something more serious, not that 2 days is necessarily all that serious. Obviously, if he is hurt, and needs DL'ed, it wouldn't be "phantom." I'll read your next post and reply to that in a minute.

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Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 12:36 PM
Amongst Reds SP with > 100 IP

K/9: 1st
BB/9: 1st
K/BB: 1st

These are some stats I'd forgotten about. These show that he stays in the strikezone, typically a good thing, however he gives up a lot of homer balls, which could go along with this. You pointed this out.


I use many measurements. ERA tells me how well a pitcher and his defense prevent earned runs from scoring. I want to know more about what the pitcher did in isolation from the defense. That's why FIP and other defense independent metrics better predict ERA than ERA does.



I can see that. However, I do like ERA for measuring pitchers. Haven't really looked into FIP at all. OPS is about as far as I've dabbled into the sabermetric world.


Pitching wins are a team split, not a measure of pitching performance.

I know. That's why I said, "if you're into that"


Saying he's one of the three best pitchers on the Reds staff is more faint praise than anything. The starters need help.

They could use that ace (someone Lee like, who could help in the playoffs), but I don't mind this staff, it's the best it's been in years. However, there is certainly room for improvement. However, I do understand that saying he's 3rd best on the staff is pretty faint praise. It's been a while since I was in a good RZ discussion. I'm enjoying this one.

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nate
07-06-2010, 12:49 PM
They could use that ace (someone Lee like, who could help in the playoffs), but I don't mind this staff, it's the best it's been in years.

They need better starting pitching.

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 01:04 PM
They need better starting pitching.

To make .500- no. To make the playoffs- no. To succeed in the playoffs- yessir, they do.

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Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 01:21 PM
BTW, I'm not sure why I started talking about Harang in this thread. I think I just clicked the wrong one. Sorry about that,

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Degenerate39
07-06-2010, 01:29 PM
I'd also like to add to my questions: Is there any chance Chapman could be brought up by the Washington series?

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 01:34 PM
^^^^^
I don't know. If they're gonna bring him up for the 'pen, it doesn't seem like it would hurt to do it soon.

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nate
07-06-2010, 02:08 PM
To make .500- no. To make the playoffs- no.To succeed in the playoffs- yessir, they do.

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Isn't the point to succeed in the playoffs?

Redsfan320
07-06-2010, 02:17 PM
^^^^
Yes, I was agreeing with you more than not.

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Hap
07-09-2010, 09:48 PM
BUMP

As soon as anyone finds a link that can confirm which day Strasburg is pitching in Cincinnati, please post it here immediately so I can get tickets on Stubhub before they disappear.

Redsfan320
07-11-2010, 03:12 PM
Jamie Ramsey says on his blog that barring "rain, injury or manager's decision, Stephen Strasburg is scheduled to start on July 21 at Cincinnati."

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HotCorner
07-11-2010, 04:03 PM
For those interested, the Reds and Skyline are offering a very good promotion for this series:

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/cin/ticketing/skyline.jsp

You need to get a coupon from Skyline in order to access the offer.

deltachi8
07-13-2010, 10:17 AM
For those interested, the Reds and Skyline are offering a very good promotion for this series:

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/cin/ticketing/skyline.jsp

You need to get a coupon from Skyline in order to access the offer.

That is a good deal. I will be driving through Cincy that night and am considering stopping for the game. Too bad no Skyline near me to grab a code.

HotCorner
07-13-2010, 12:00 PM
That is a good deal. I will be driving through Cincy that night and am considering stopping for the game. Too bad no Skyline near me to grab a code.

Check your PM's.

RANDY IN INDY
07-13-2010, 12:19 PM
My son, Matt, and I will be at the games on Wednesday and Thursday. Would love to see the Reds beat Stasburg one of those games.

cumberlandreds
07-13-2010, 12:24 PM
My son, Matt, and I will be at the games on Wednesday and Thursday. Would love to see the Reds beat Stasburg one of those games.

He should be going Wednesday. He's starting this Friday in Florida and if he stays in rotation without any rainouts or the like, Wednesday will be his regular turn in the roatation.

HotCorner
07-13-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm going to the Thursday game with my son and my dad.

Ghosts of 1990
07-13-2010, 12:36 PM
Strasburg is pitching Wednesday. I don't have a link but the ticket office was selling that game as the game that Stras will be on the bump. I'll be there in the club.

Hap
07-13-2010, 01:07 PM
Stub Hub currently has dozens of good seats available for Thursday.

LincolnparkRed
07-13-2010, 01:24 PM
I'm going to the Thursday game with my son and my dad.

We are going to be in town and I am trying to get my wife down for a game that day. Not sure that I want to bring my 4 year old.

Eric_the_Red
07-13-2010, 01:52 PM
Going to see Strasburg pitch Wednesday with my step-dad and a friend of mine. Paid a bit over face on StubHub to get some really good seats. Now I pray for no rainouts or other disruptions to the Nationals rotation.