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reds44
07-09-2010, 03:37 PM
Reds:
Phillips 2B
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Heisey CF
Miller C
Leake P

LincolnparkRed
07-09-2010, 04:07 PM
Too bad we can't put one of other catchers on the 40 man. I have no idea who I would take off for Denove or Castillo but it seems awful risky to play the weekend with only Corky. Carlos Fisher seems like a safe bet to pass through.

HeatherC1212
07-09-2010, 04:18 PM
Fay thinks that Hanigan will be in Philly soon with Ramon going on the DL retroactive to sometime around the Cubs game when he hurt his knee. I guess we'll find out soon if that happens or not but he also said Hanigan left the game early last night due to neck stiffness. What a way to go into the All Star break. :eek:

oneupper
07-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Time to lock up Corky with a Long Term contract! :)

RichRed
07-09-2010, 04:35 PM
Time to lock up Corky with a Long Term contract! :)

I'd give his facial hair 3 years at $2 million per.

reds44
07-09-2010, 04:46 PM
Fay just tweeted that Hanigan will be taking BP with the Reds today.

OesterPoster
07-09-2010, 05:04 PM
m_sheldon

Hanigan in #reds clubhouse. 2 minutes ago via Twitterrific

HeatherC1212
07-09-2010, 05:46 PM
I guess the neck thing was not a big deal. That's a good thing and welcome back Ryan! :)

OesterPoster
07-09-2010, 06:18 PM
Rolen scratched with sore back. New lineup: phillips, cabrera, votto, gomes, Bruce, Cairo, heisey, miller, leake

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:10 PM
Phillips reaches via error on Rollins.

Cabrera fly out to right.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:11 PM
OCab pops out to short right. 1 out.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Opposite field single from Votto. Phillips goes to 3rd. Runners on the corner 1 out. Gomes up.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Gomes 3 run shot

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:13 PM
With Phillips running, and Rollins covering 2nd, Votto slaps a single into the hole the other way. Phillips to 3rd.

Then Gomes HRs to left-center.

Ron Madden
07-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Gomes Goes Boom!!!

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:14 PM
Where are the people that do the jumping smiling faces thing? Come on folks. Stop acting like you actually have plans on a Friday night. This is a first place team.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Another error for the phillies. Bruce goes to 2nd. Still one out.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:18 PM
Cairo fly out to center. Heisey K's on 3 pitches. 3-0 Reds heading to bottom 1.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:20 PM
Rollins singles off Leake to start the inning. Victorino fly out to LF.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:21 PM
Rollins picked off. Nice job Leake.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:22 PM
Ibanez with a double to right. Pick off saves a run.

BCubb2003
07-09-2010, 08:23 PM
Another error for the phillies. Bruce goes to 2nd. Still one out.

I think Phillips is the only can do that overhand flip shovel pass.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:23 PM
Howard gets "hit" by the pitch. Sure didn't look like it hit him.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:24 PM
If anyone would like to do PBP feel free to jump in. Just doing it bc no one else was.

Gallen5862
07-09-2010, 08:25 PM
Thanks for the PBP.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:25 PM
Werth with a soft liner to OC that drops in front of OC and he flips to Phillips to end the inning. 3-0 Reds after 1

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:26 PM
Howard gets "hit" by the pitch. Sure didn't look like it hit him.

Laz Diaz is the home plate ump. Some think he's one of the worst in baseball. But he's an ex marine, so I'm not saying it.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:28 PM
Corky Miller up Corky kind of looks like what I imagine Jake "the snake" Roberts looks like these days. If he is alive never know with wrestlers. My apologies if he is gone. Corky base hit.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:29 PM
Leake with a base hit. 2 on for Phillips.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:31 PM
Nice butcher boy by Leake. Right through the hole on the left side of the infield.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:32 PM
I've got company if someone could take over I'd appreciate it.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:34 PM
I'll try for now.

Phillips K's swinging.

One down, two one.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 08:34 PM
I'll try for now.

Phillips K's swinging.

One down, two one.

Thank you

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 08:34 PM
OCab batted.

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 08:34 PM
The Cabrerometer still dropping.

Creeper making more and more tendentious excuses for him -- now it's the heat.

He's Juan Castro with garbage on his helmet.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:35 PM
Cabrera pops it up to shallow right. In the words of Bruce Springsteen, "Surprise, Surprise."

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:36 PM
Votto walks. Them bases are loaded for Jonny.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Men on base + Gomes = Runs.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Gomes, with the bases loaded, lines to Dobbs, off his glove, everyone safe, run scores. Scored an infield single.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Gomes blisters the ball off of Dobb's glove at 3rd. Miller scores.

Bases loaded Bruce up, two out

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:38 PM
Bruce, with bases loaded, Ks swinging. Ouch.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:38 PM
Bruce K's at ball in the Dirt, and is mad at himself, as he should be.

After 1.5, Gomes 4, Phillies 0

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:39 PM
Blanton at 46 pitches after two innings pitched. Looks like a bullpen night for the Phillies.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Dobbs flies out to Gomes in left

1 out no on

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:43 PM
Schnieder flies out to Heisey
Castro lines sharply to Bruce

end of 2
4-0 Reds

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:45 PM
Short inning.

Six pitch inning there.

After two innings, Leake only at 18 pitches, 13 for strikes.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:45 PM
Cairo leads off with a line single to right that Werth almost caught.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Heisey 643 DP

two down no one

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:48 PM
Poncho Villa Ks swinging.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 08:48 PM
Corky swing at a ball in the dirt, and a foot ououtdo.

end of 2.5

4-0 Reds

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 08:52 PM
Easy 9 pitch inning and solid play covering the bag by Leake.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:53 PM
Phillies out 1-2-3 again..

Leake thru 3 innings on 27 pitches. The Good Mike Leake tonight so far.

Reds up 4-0 after 3.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 08:57 PM
Just got in. I see that Gomes still sucks as he's 2 for 2 with 4 rbi's tonight. :O)

Looks to me like I may have been right, at least I hope so. Day off did him some good.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 08:58 PM
Saw 5 pitches anyway.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 08:59 PM
Reds 4th:

Leake Ks swinging at a bad pitch.
Phillips grounds out to 1st unassisted.
Cabrera Ks swinging.

Reds up 4-0 after three and a half.

Blanton at 69 pitches after four.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:03 PM
You do NOT run on Bruce! Cannon!

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:04 PM
4-1 on a Werth sac fly

BoydsOfSummer
07-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Diamond Mind ,Strat-o-matic and the rest are gonna have to make a new higher rating for Jay Bruce's arm rating this year.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:06 PM
Leake K's Dobbs to end the inning

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:06 PM
Phils 4th:

Ibanez singles to center.
Howards singles off the wall in right, tries to go to 2nd, and Bruce nails him. Ibanez to third.
Werth hits a sac fly to Gomes, the throw is off line, Ibanez scores.
Dobbs Ks swinging.


Reds up 4-1 after 4 innings.
Mike Leake at 40 pitches.

Redsfan320
07-09-2010, 09:08 PM
No PBP from me tonight or probably tomorrow. Should be back Monday for Home Run Derby PBP. Later,

320

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Votto walks and gets picked off. Blergh.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Votto draws the free pass. On base 3 straight plate appearances.

But he's quickly picked off. Crap.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:11 PM
Gomes with a rare in-field single

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:17 PM
You literally cannot stop Miguel Cairo.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 09:18 PM
Dang Cario.... Bench Rolen!

Sea Ray
07-09-2010, 09:19 PM
6-1 Reds

CrackerJack
07-09-2010, 09:19 PM
Miguel = money baby

CarolinaRedleg
07-09-2010, 09:21 PM
Votto draws the free pass. On base 3 straight plate appearances.


'Ol Cholly fears Votto.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:21 PM
Reds 5th:

Votto walks, then gets picked off.
Gomes gets an infield single.
Bruce singles to center, Gomes to third.
Cairo doubles to right-center, Gomes and Bruce score, Cairo out trying to go to third.
Heisey singles the other way to right.
Miller Ks swinging.

Reds up 6-1 after four and a half.

Blanton now at 96 pitches and probably done.

WebScorpion
07-09-2010, 09:24 PM
Blanton now at 96 pitches and probably done.
Yea, he bats 3rd this inning. I'm guessing he'll be replaced by a PH.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:25 PM
6 pitch inning for Leake.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:25 PM
Phillies 5th:

Schneider flies out to shallow center.
Castro grounds to Phillips.
Blanton grounds out to Leake.

Six pitch inning.

Reds up 6-1 after five.

Leake at 46 pitches.

CarolinaRedleg
07-09-2010, 09:25 PM
Leake at 46 pitches through 5. Do it, young fella!

WebScorpion
07-09-2010, 09:25 PM
Yea, he bats 3rd this inning. I'm guessing he'll be replaced by a PH.Nobody got on, so they let him hit. :dunno:

KoryMac5
07-09-2010, 09:27 PM
I love Votto and all, but his mental lapses on the bases needs to go.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:28 PM
Leake is a HITTING MACHINE! Wow.

2 for 3 tonight. Hitting .371 for the season.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:28 PM
Leake lines a single to ceenter. Leake's BA is back up to .371.

KoryMac5
07-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Good to see Blanton pitching like Joe Blanton.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Another runner testing OF'ers arms. FAIL. Brandon tries to stretch a single into a double. Victorino want's NONE of it.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:31 PM
Phillips singles into the left-center gap, Leake to third, Phillips out trying to go to second.

Some bad base running tonight.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 09:31 PM
Cards up 1-0 after 1.

They are playing Houston with Wainwright vs Norris

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 09:32 PM
Blanton has recorded 1 out in the last 1.1 innings on his own. I like the agressiveness and tonight may not matter, but you can't continue to give up outs on the basepaths.

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Votto won't see a single pitch to hit here.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:35 PM
Votto walks again

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2010, 09:36 PM
Votto walks again

The rest of the league is realizing what most around here already knew -- he's so dangerous at the plate that you have to treat him the same way you do a guy like Pujols.

1st base open with RISP? Give the man his base and try your luck with Gomes.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 09:37 PM
Does Orlando Cabrera know the season has started? What a joke of a player offensively and defensively. Time to give Janish a shot to start (and I have never liked Janish ... but he can't be worse than this).

VR
07-09-2010, 09:37 PM
missed in the pbp....pitiful ab by Cabrera, again.

CrackerJack
07-09-2010, 09:37 PM
at what point do you move Ocbab down in the order? He's getting too many AB's for such a prolonged slump. Any ways it's 6-1 and it's nice to be able to wait for him to come around I guess, if necessary.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 09:38 PM
at what point do you move Ocbab down in the order? He's getting too many AB's for such a prolonged slump. Any ways it's 6-1 and it's nice to be able to wait for him to come around I guess, if necessary.

Or at what point do you just bench his sorry rear end?

VR
07-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Does Orlando Cabrera know the season has started? What a joke of a player offensively and defensively. Time to give Janish a shot to start (and I have never liked Janish ... but he can't be worse than this).

yeah, he just thinks it ended May 24th. I believe he's sub .550 OPS since then.

CrackerJack
07-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Does Orlando Cabrera know the season has started? What a joke of a player offensively and defensively. Time to give Janish a shot to start (and I have never liked Janish ... but he can't be worse than this).

It's really stupid at this point. I wish Dusty would address his logic with Caberera the last few weeks.

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 09:39 PM
He looks as clueless as any Reds player I can remember, and that includes the unholy law firm of Taveras, Patterson & Castro.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 09:39 PM
missed in the pbp....pitiful ab by Cabrera, again.

By the silence I think it's just understood. And expected.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 09:41 PM
johnfayman

Volquez hasn't allowed a hit through 5. 80 pitches. #reds

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:43 PM
52 pitches in the 6th for Leake

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
Nice, knowing Volquez is currently throwing a no-no almost makes me forget what a terrible player Orlando Cabrera is.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
52 pitches in the 6th for Leake
He's thrown 52 pitches in the 6th inning? :eek:


;)

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
Leake is just rollin' along.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
Phils 6th:

Rollins flies out to fairly deep right.
Victorino grounds out to Cabrera.
Ibanez grounds to Phillips.

Reds up 6-1 after six.

Leake at 59 pitches.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 09:45 PM
He's thrown 52 pitches in the 6th inning? :eek:



nibbling

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:48 PM
He's thrown 52 pitches in the 6th inning? :eek:


;)

thats what happens typing with a baby in my lap...that plus no caps :D

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 09:50 PM
Miggy is just a beast... Let Rolen have the rest of the weekend off and get the back into shape...

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:50 PM
cairo with his 3rd hit on the day

BCubb2003
07-09-2010, 09:52 PM
Cairo is having a night like Janish's.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:52 PM
hit parade continues...#2 for heisey

14 on the night

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:54 PM
2 down after 'stache k's. Leake up

4th multihit game for Leake

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:57 PM
8 pitch ab so far for Leake

backbencher
07-09-2010, 09:57 PM
4th multihit game for Leake

I think that we have the permanent answer to the question, "why didn't Dusty pinch hit for Leake."

backbencher
07-09-2010, 09:58 PM
8 pitch ab so far for Leake

This has to be close to a record: an AB with more pitches than two of Leake's IPs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 09:58 PM
kid is impressive with the bat

0-2 then draws the walk on an 11 pitch ab

CarolinaRedleg
07-09-2010, 09:58 PM
How cool is that? Pitcher draws an 11-pitch walk.

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 09:59 PM
Leake really helps himself out with those great plate appearances.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:00 PM
Reds 7th:

Herndon still pitching.
Bruce bounces out to Howard.
Cairo flares a single to right for his third hit of the night.
Heisey lines a single to left, Cairo to second.
Miller Ks swinging.
Leake works the count full, then walks (11 pitch AB there....)
Phillips grounds out to short. (Leaves bases loaded)

Reds up 6-1.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:02 PM
cards up 2-0 in the 4th

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:08 PM
Update line on Volquez....


johnfayman

Volquez: 7 ip, 1 hit, 0 runs, 3 walks, 9 Ks. 102 pitches, 61 strikes. Would not be surprised if he starts the first game after the break.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:10 PM
Phillies 7th:

Howard Ks swinging.
Werth lines a single to left.
Dobbs Ks swinging.
Schneider pops out to Cabrerra.

Reds up 6 to 1 after seven innings.

Leake at 76 pitches.

nate
07-09-2010, 10:10 PM
That was a nice strike three pitch to Dobbs.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:17 PM
Reds 8th:

Danys Baez in to pitch.
Cabrera pounds a one hopper to Dobbs at third, 5-3.
Votto flies out to the warning track in left center.
Gomes grounds out to Dobbs at 3rd.

Reds up 6 to 1.

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Leake is just ridiculous tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:21 PM
84 pitches...thru 8. Wow

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Leake is on tonight... Yesh... Just mowing them down...

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Phils 8th:

Castro bounces out to Cabrera.
Gload, for Baez, fouls out to Heisey (who is now in left for Gomes, with Stubbs in center)
Rollins grounds to Votto, 3-1

Reds up 6-1 after 8.

Leake at 84 pitches.

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:22 PM
Phillies doing the best "bad Reds" impression with all of these quick outs. Leake in great position for a CG.

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2010, 10:24 PM
Phillies doing the best "bad Reds" impression with all of these quick outs. Leake in great position for a CG.

I'd pull him, but that's just ultra-conservative me. He's usually around 90-100 pitches for a game. With 2-3-4 coming up next inning, I'd let someone in the bullpen throw what'll probably be a 10-15 pitch minimum inning.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:30 PM
Heisey draws the 2 out walk. Corky up.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:30 PM
Miller is HBP...Leake up

Gallen5862
07-09-2010, 10:32 PM
Great game so far it seems from Leake.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:32 PM
Wow. Another hit for Leake. 7-1 Reds!

3 for 4 tonight plus a walk(.389 for the season), 1 run allowed going for the complete game 5 hitter (0 bb's). Flat out impressive.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:34 PM
Still 2-0 Cards, in the 6th now.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:35 PM
Phillips draws the walk to load 'em up for ..... *sigh*.....Cabrera (oh fer 5)

nate
07-09-2010, 10:36 PM
Was this the second time Leake has faced the Phillies?

I can't remember all the way back to last week!

:cool:

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 10:36 PM
0 for 6

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:37 PM
0 for 6

You start to run out of things to say.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:37 PM
Was this the second time Leake has faced the Phillies?

I can't remember all the way back to last week!

:cool:

Yeah. Lost 9-6 that game. First really poor outing from him. 6 runs in 7 innings. That was the game we came back and tied it but Arthur allowed 3 in the 10th.

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:37 PM
Reds 9th:

Romero in to pitch.
Bruce pops to Dobbs in foul territory.
Cairo grounds out to Castro.
Heisey walks.
Miller is hit by the pitch.
Leake batting for himself (always a good sign to have your starter batting in the 9th) lines a single to left, Heisey scores. (Leake at .389 now)
Phillips walks, loading the bases.
Cabrera grounds out to the pitcher.

Reds up 7-1 in the middle of the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:37 PM
You start to run out of things to say.

Not really. One word says it all IMO.

J A N I S H !

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:39 PM
You start to run out of things to say.

I'd imagine his is taking his play harder than everyone on Redszone combined. Can't be easy to go through this. Hopefully Dusty gives him some time to collect his thoughts on the bench. I honestly feel bad for him at this point.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:39 PM
Leadoff double from Victorino.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:40 PM
Janish in for Cabrera....why not let him pinch hit last ab?

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:41 PM
I'd imagine his is taking his play harder than everyone on Redszone combined. Can't be easy to go through this. Hopefully Dusty gives him some time to collect his thoughts on the bench. I honestly feel bad for him at this point.

I doubt it. I'm not getting paid to witness this. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:41 PM
Ibanez flies out to Stubbs.

Victorino advances to third.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:41 PM
Yes, this is very true haha.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:42 PM
7-2 after a single to left from Howard

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:44 PM
Price out to visit, but he stays in to face Werth.

Single to left....broken bat.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:44 PM
Coco is up and ready.

Dobbs up

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:44 PM
BABIP variation in action.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:47 PM
Full count. 100 pitches.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:47 PM
Its time for CoCo......

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:48 PM
HR. *sigh*

I feel bad for Mike. 7-5

Joseph
07-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Ruined a great pitching night.

flyer85
07-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Leake should never have started the inning

Gallen5862
07-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Is Leake or COrdero pitching now?

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Well ****. Obviously left in too long.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Is Leake or COrdero pitching now?

Was Leake - Now CoCo

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Ouch. That stinks. Well, let's go Coco.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Dusty does no favors to this team by pushing the CG on pitchers. Now his ERA is damaged and he still had to go to the bullpen...and we are only 2 up in a game we dominated all day. Just stupid as it gets. I guess if you have to have a fault, it's being good to your players, but not at the expense of a win.

cincrazy
07-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Leake should never have started the inning

Hindsight is 20/20. He started the inning having throw 83 pitches. No way you don't run him out there after burning through the pen last night going 12 innings. Some balls fell in for hits that weren't falling in earlier, nothing you can do about it. Now it's Coco's job to close it out.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Leake should never have started the inning

He deserved a chance to go for the CG at 90 pitches.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Leake should never have started the inning

I disagree with that, but after the first hit...you give him ONE more chance to escape and get the CG he's earned. Once Howard got a hit he should've been yanked.

Shame. But let's make sure he at least gets the well earned W!

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:51 PM
If we lose this game will you feel the same way?

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:51 PM
Marty not sounding real confident.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:51 PM
Yes, if we lose the game it will not be because Leake started the inning.

Tony Cloninger
07-09-2010, 10:51 PM
He only gave up 2 hard hits...he had less than 90 pitches going in there.

To second guess letting him even start the inning.....is just nitpicking.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:52 PM
If we lose this game will you feel the same way?

Yep.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:52 PM
Yes, if we lose the game it will not be because Leake started the inning.

Your logic escapes me.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:52 PM
Flyout to Stubbs. 2 down.

Tony Cloninger
07-09-2010, 10:52 PM
Not one of you that are saying he should have been in there....even said BOO before the inning started. I bet you guys are real fun at parties.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:53 PM
Your logic escapes me.

Leake starting the inning has nothing to do with it. If we lose now its on the closer who needs to get 2 outs against back ups. He has a two run lead and needs two outs.

KoryMac5
07-09-2010, 10:53 PM
Leake was cruising going into the ninth no need to take him out in that spot.

Spitball
07-09-2010, 10:53 PM
Dusty does no favors to this team by pushing the CG on pitchers. Now his ERA is damaged and he still had to go to the bullpen...and we are only 2 up in a game we dominated all day. Just stupid as it gets. I guess if you have to have a fault, it's being good to your players, but not at the expense of a win.

If you can save the bullpen and help the team, his personal statistics are secondary.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:53 PM
Ben Francisco PH'ing. Full count.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:54 PM
What a flippin' joke. BB.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:54 PM
Walk.

"He walked him. What's new" ~ Marty

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:54 PM
That is a friggin joke. CoCo with a disasterous walk.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:54 PM
Cody Ransom PH'ing

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 10:54 PM
Why is Cordero so deathly afraid to throw inside?

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Coco, not Leake or Dusty

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Are you kidding me?

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
I disagree with that, but after the first hit...you give him ONE more chance to escape and get the CG he's earned. Once Howard got a hit he should've been yanked.

Shame. But let's make sure he at least gets the well earned W!

So because Howard flared one off the end of the bat you pull him? Another hard hit and I'd agree. But a weak opposite field bloop is hardly evidence of a guy losing it.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
So So deserving.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
:rolleyes:

nate
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Unbelievable.

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
I am so tired of Cordero's garbage I can't even tell you.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Chrip Chrip...

Degenerate39
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Seriously?

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Oh my God. Twice in 1 year?

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:55 PM
So So deserving.

Yep, the walk to Francisco earned that.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
Yep, I think he should have started the inning (leake). Good grief. And Codero is probably the worst closer in the major leagues.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
you gotta be kidding me. 7-1. Season changing type of loss if it happens

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
you gotta be phucking kidding me. 7-1. Season changing type of loss if it happens

We've said that before.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
Maybe if Cordero wasn't so fat and out of shape he wouldn't be such a poor pitcher.

KoryMac5
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
you gotta be phucking kidding me. 7-1. Season changing type of loss if it happens

Everyone said that after the Braves loss too.

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
Cordero's ERA is up to 4.24. Is this what being an elite closer is all about? You simply cannot pay this kind of mediocrity big bucks.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
4 pitch walk.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
4 pitch walk. Can we say we've seen enough after this one? can you honestly ignore this joke of a closer if we're going to make a serious run

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
He and Cordero should be shipped off during the break and not be asked back.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
what is this i don't even

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
Coco=can't get it done.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
I normally sdon't diss players, but Codero is simply hurting this team so much. Time to find a suitor oir just sit him on the bench. And this junk about him being so successful is just more junk.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
It is time for Dusty to let Cordero know his job is on the line. This simply has to stop. The walks are absurd.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
He and Cordero should be shipped off during the break and not be asked back.

Who's the "He"?

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
Now he's afraid to throw a pitch.

This must be that closer's mentality.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
What a piece of crap. Does the only thing you can't do to Francisco (walk him) then he gives up a HR to tie to to a scrub ... then he walks the next guy on four pitches. What a joke!

RedsMan3203
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
Who's the "He"?

Gonna guess and say Dusty....

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
He's trying to throw the ball down the right field line. Afraid to pitch I guess.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 10:58 PM
Thank you Victorino!

mbgrayson
07-09-2010, 10:59 PM
Phillies 9th:

Victorino doubles off the right field wall.
Ibanez flies out to Stubbs, Victorino tags and goes to third.
Howard singles down the left field line, Victorino scores.
Werth hits a broken bat single through the hole to left.
Dobbs homers down the right field line, Leake is done at 101 pitches.

Cordero in to pitch. (Say a little prayer....)
Schneider flies to Stubbs.
Ben Francisco, for Castro, walks.
Cody Ransom, for Romero, homers just over the right field wall. Cordero is terrible. TERRIBLE.
Rollins walks.
Victorino pops out to Janish.

7 to 7. Extra innings.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 10:59 PM
Extra innings. Sad. Leake clearly lost it and was left in too long, then CoCo being CoCo.

Tom Servo
07-09-2010, 10:59 PM
well this sucks

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 10:59 PM
Who's the "He"?

Meant He (Cordero) and Cabrerra

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 10:59 PM
Gonna guess and say Dusty....

Well, I'm gonna disagree with that if that's the case. One game doesn't discount the excellent job he's done all season.

We've gotten TONS of great breaks this season...this is one coming back and biting us in the backside.

I just feel bad for Mike.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
This stings. But we can still win it. Let's go.

cincrazy
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Yep, I think he should have started the inning (leake). Good grief. And Codero is probably the worst closer in the major leagues.

Blaming Dusty for this inning is ridiculous. He threw 83 pitches through eight innings. You send him back out there every single time.

toledodan
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
this is on dusty. after the first 2 got on leake should have been pulled.

HokieRed
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Again Baker with his unwillingness to use the whole bullpen. You sit Leake after 8 and let Owings finish the game.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Yeah, don't blame Dusty. Blame Cabrera's sorry rear end (0-for-6) and Cordero's sorry rear end. This one is not even close to on Dusty.

toledodan
07-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Well, I'm gonna disagree with that if that's the case. One game doesn't discount the excellent job he's done all season.

We've gotten TONS of great breaks this season...this is one coming back and biting us in the backside.

I just feel bad for Mike.

dude, take the blinders off.

kbrake
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
Its not on Dusty. He has a closer making 12 million and he needed him to get Ben Francisco and some Ransom dude. Players play the game.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
this is on dusty. after the first 2 got on leake should have been pulled.

This I agree with.

HokieRed
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
this is on dusty. after the first 2 got on leake should have been pulled.


Absolutely. But then it would still be somebody other than Cordero's spot and Dusty likes to use his highly ineffective closer. Both should be gone in 2011.

alloverjr
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
At least Cordero's done for the night (one would assume).

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
That scrub who hit the HR ... his first HR of the year.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
Why feel bad for Leake? He did give up four earned runs in the inning? Can't really praise him for the great 1-8 then say he didn't pitch poorly in the 9th.

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 11:01 PM
You can nitpick little things from Dusty, but when your closer is a 400-lb blimp who can't throw inside and can't get punch-and-judy garbage out, there's only so much a manager can do.

TheNext44
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
So because Howard flared one off the end of the bat you pull him? Another hard hit and I'd agree. But a weak opposite field bloop is hardly evidence of a guy losing it.

It's not a matter of him losing it. It's a matter of getting a fresh arm in there with men on base. All pitchers are more and more likely to make a mistake pitch the deeper they get into a game. Pretty much every pitch after 75 gets riskier and riskier.

I am probably the biggest Dusty apologist on this board and I have to blame him for this 9th inning.

The way you manage a big lead like that is you let the starting pitcher start the inning. If I guy gets to second base, you pull him for a fresh arm. Dusty wanted to get Leake his first CG and cost him a win, and maybe even a Reds win.

edit: just to be clear, Cordero deserves much of the blame too, but Dusty is not blameless here.

RedsManRick
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
Its not on Dusty. He has a closer making 12 million and he needed him to get Ben Francisco and some Ransom dude. Players play the game.

This. Cordero is no better than what we could get from a guy making 1/4 of what he does.

HokieRed
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
You can nitpick little things from Dusty, but when your closer is a 400-lb blimp who can't throw inside and can't get punch-and-judy garbage out, there's only so much a manager can do.

I'm more than willing to put the blame for CoCo where it belongs: on the GM who gave him the ridiculous contract.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
dude, take the blinders off.

I was talking about Dusty there, not Cordero. You don't think Dusty's done a good job this season?

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:02 PM
Blaming Dusty! HAHAHAHA.

Brutus
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Am I hearing this right...there are people now criticizing a manager for not pulling a pitcher after 8 innings who had given up no walks, 5 hits, one run and only threw 85 pitches? Wow!

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
This is clearly on Cabrera and Cordero for the most part.

flyer85
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
the reason leake should have been done after 8 is due to the fact the reds have talked about limiting his IP, no reason to send him back out

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 11:03 PM
I'm more than willing to put the blame for CoCo where it belongs: on the GM who gave him the ridiculous contract.

I'll put some of the blame on Cordero for being fat and out of shape.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
Am I hearing this right...there are people now criticizing a manager for not pulling a pitcher after 8 innings who had given up no walks, 5 hits, one run and only threw 85 pitches? Wow!

Yeah, a young guy who was laboring with two on? You take him out every time.

Redhook
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
I was talking about Dusty there, not Cordero. You don't think Dusty's done a good job this season?

I don't think Dusty's done a good job. I still think he's an idiot, even though the Reds are winning. The talent is winning, not Dusty's managing.

And Coco needs to go. He's toast.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
That's a closer's dream. Up 2, no one on, only need 2 outs to get the save, two scrubs coming up. AND HE BLEW IT. Cordero is a joke. But he's still not as bad as Orlando "0-for-6" Cabrera.

UKFlounder
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
You're up 7-1 going to the 9th - there's no reason you would need your closer in that game. Leake did his job in that inning as poorly (or worse) than Cordero did his.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
the reason leake should have been done after 8 is due to the fact the reds have talked about limiting his IP, no reason to send him back out

They're doing that by skipping starts...not sapping his confidence. He worked and earned a shot to finish it IMO. Agree to disagree I guess.

Rhodes warming up.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2010, 11:04 PM
and we are going down easy here on offense. not looking good.

Blitz Dorsey
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
Someone needs to get Coco on Jenny Craig or something. He must be keeping half the restaurants in Cincinnati in business.

nate
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
It seems to me that Dusty should've take Leake out for Rhodes much earlier.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
I blame Baker for rendering Cordero less effective than he would be if he'd been used judiciously through the first part of the year. He absolutely fried him through the first couple months, and Cordero has lost his good fastball, his slider and his ability to put hitters away.

No doubt in my mind.

Redhook
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
the reason leake should have been done after 8 is due to the fact the reds have talked about limiting his IP, no reason to send him back out

This

flyer85
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
Am I hearing this right...there are people now criticizing a manager for not pulling a pitcher after 8 innings who had given up no walks, 5 hits, one run and only threw 85 pitches? Wow!they should take every opp to limit his innings, esprcially with the talk of shutting him down at some point

dsmith421
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
We're going to lose this game. I can't even believe it.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Almost. Ibanez hauls it in at the wall. I though Bruce had it.

Brutus
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Yeah, a young guy who was laboring with two on? You take him out every time.

Two on? Did you read my post?

nate
07-09-2010, 11:07 PM
Leake can certainly go out there to start the inning but when he starts allowing a couple baserunners, go to the bullpen.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2010, 11:07 PM
Its not on Dusty. He has a closer making 12 million and he needed him to get Ben Francisco and some Ransom dude. Players play the game.Oh yeah. You've got a rookie pitcher in there and a closer who is simply shaky most of the time. You've goit a 6 run lead and all you need is three outs. I'm not a Dusty basher, but when Leake gave up the first hit, his leash would have been short,. Then, you bring in someone other than Codero (regardless of whether he make $12 million or not, he is simply not doing the job--and hasn't for a long time) to get the job done.

Just watch the phillies pitcher who just blows people away. That ain't Codero and probably never will be. If we lose this one, it will be devastating on a number of fronts. Dusty, the baseball world and this board refuses to understand that letting a rookie get a complete game pales in comparison to winning. We should be 4 games up and will probably be 2 games up at the end of the night with Halladay tromorrow.